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Now over a decade with two wars of choice and added to the previous decades of ignored issues and not fully funding the Veterans Administration, thus saving monies instead of increased costs to catchup with the needs, as to the results of our wars. Easier to lay blame on the agency rather then the country, the 99% who don't serve it, who collectively don't look in the mirror at their total lack of Sacrifice as they wave those flags!

Last night, 30 July 2011, the Congressional House (T)'s did exactly what many thought they would and now the Congressional Senate (T)'s, going into their oft used filibuster, follow the Houses lead, and their Supporters Cheer, a day after this:

Senate Veterans Affairs Hearing: Examining the Lifetime Costs of Supporting the Newest Generation of Veterans

Where the oft moving testimony covered these issues, same issues we've had for decades as to us veterans of Vietnam, our brothers of Korea, then the First Gulf War as well as so called 'peace time' veterans, often issues obstructed by the once (R)'s, and (D)'s of, under their banner of being fiscal conservatives, same fiscal conservatives that rubber stamp ever growing defense budgets, and especially these two present wars, with very few questions asked:

Cost of Treating Veterans Will Rise Long Past Wars

Where the moving testimony of a once soldier, now veteran, wife and care taker was given in her opening statement and in answering the questions, many of those asking once again looking for ways to blame the VA instead of themselves, our representatives who hold the purse strings.

Crystal Nicely said she doesn't mind serving as the chief cook, driver and groomer for her husband, Todd, who lost both arms and legs in March 2010 when he stepped on an explosive device during combat operations against Taliban insurgents in Afghanistan.

But she'd appreciate a little more help from the federal government. read more>>>, but better yet visit the top link of the hearing and watch and listen, the video feed is on the Senate page.

The 'Stand Downs' for this Nations Homeless Veterans, for this year 2011, have already started and continue, for the Veterans of our past conflicts as the ranks of the homeless and unemployed veterans, men and women, now grow with this generations combat veterans while the older homeless veterans pass on, many from the results of the many issues from our earlier wars ignored by the country and thus their representatives, some only now finally being recognized. Like this one coming up in Chicago, but there are a number of them all around the country as the previous link lists some that are already registered.

Not one cent of revenue, especially from the extreme wealthy who made some of that growing wealth directly or indirectly off these long wars of choice, added to an ever increasing U.S. budget they created during the previous administration, and with growing interest payments on that borrowed money, and continue as they hold the country, and now world, hostage while obstructing policy to help the country and adding senseless legislation, especially in already broke state budgets, that will cost much more to implement with long term negative results.

Why now use (T) instead of the once (R) or even GOP, those last don't exist anymore because there is no more (R) and in these times the radical extremist TEA Party, who supported the present wars of choice and all the rubber stamping of, lacking anything for the veterans and their families, that extreme minority ideology is much closer to an ideology of a group of political and extreme religious extremist of another religious faith that doesn't match what that religious faith really is, the Taliban. Blend that with those who now use this TEA (T) party label and one can't really tell them apart, they even support the torture of others telling those we once condemned that it works so use it against our own as you use it against yours and others.

'Sacrifice' still not demanded nor even mentioned, Veterans long ignored continue to be so and many in this Country like that just fine!!

Originally posted to DKos Military Veterans on Sat Jul 30, 2011 at 05:02 AM PDT.

Also republished by Military Community Members of Daily Kos.

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  •  Tip Jar (23+ / 0-)

    CCR:"If you're a torturer, be careful in your travel plans. It's a slow process for accountability, but we keep going."

    by jimstaro on Sat Jul 30, 2011 at 05:02:39 AM PDT

  •  I know we've had this conversation before (12+ / 0-)

    but I feel like it bears repeating.

    Congress should include the cost of care of our veterans BEFORE they declare war. We certainly have enough information from enough wars to make projections.

    Of course, that would require that Congress be involved in the process of going to war. Just lately, that doesn't seem to be happening so much.

    •  AMEN!!! (8+ / 0-)

      But the Country, or much of it, Don't Want That, Not At All!!!!

      CCR:"If you're a torturer, be careful in your travel plans. It's a slow process for accountability, but we keep going."

      by jimstaro on Sat Jul 30, 2011 at 05:14:42 AM PDT

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    •  Exactly. If you don't want to pay the cost (9+ / 0-)

      of war, don't go to war.

      A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they know they shall never sit. -Greek proverb

      by marleycat on Sat Jul 30, 2011 at 05:59:13 AM PDT

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    •  This (7+ / 0-)
      Congress should include the cost of care of our veterans BEFORE they declare war.

      Would Stop All Wars of Choice in their tracks, reason in my other reply, and we would only use our military might for what we say but don't do, only sent when all else fails, which hasn't happened since WWII!!

      CCR:"If you're a torturer, be careful in your travel plans. It's a slow process for accountability, but we keep going."

      by jimstaro on Sat Jul 30, 2011 at 05:59:49 AM PDT

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    •  People SHOULD consider that veterans are (5+ / 0-)

      impacted for the rest of their lives by their service in war.  Since most veterans fight when they are in their late teens and 20's, that's a long time.

      But People don't.  They think wars are going to be over in 6 weeks - and if they can't get past that magical thinking, they surely aren't going to understand the lifetime needs of vets and their families.

      GOP loves to invoke veterans' fights for freedom, and try to get them to vote for the GOP (which many of them do),  but few notice how little the GOP (and even Democrats) want to pay for care once the war is over.

      HylasBrook @62 - fiesty, fiery, and fierce

      by HylasBrook on Sat Jul 30, 2011 at 07:38:35 AM PDT

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      •  6 weeks (4+ / 0-)
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        angelajean, llbear, Oh Mary Oh, HylasBrook

        The attention span doesn't even measure to that after those sent are veterans as in Gulf War I and what the vets of have been going through as everyone ignored until Shinseki finally started pushing the reality of!!!

        To the masses wars of choice are sporting events to tune in on the tube watch a little till the now reality shows come on and argue over the water cooler about whatever in those 'reality' shows!

        CCR:"If you're a torturer, be careful in your travel plans. It's a slow process for accountability, but we keep going."

        by jimstaro on Sat Jul 30, 2011 at 07:58:53 AM PDT

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    •  The soldiers who sign up (2+ / 0-)
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      jimstaro, llbear

      should visit a VA hospital or a homeless shelter for vets and think if it is worth it to sign up for the MICC.
      That might change a few minds.
      No arms or legs for what? I can't even begin to imagine the pain this guy is in. For what?
      Congress doesn't care.
      Betrayus makes the kids get out and walk knowing damn well what the injuries will look like. Not only arms and legs, but their genitals too.
      This diary should be on the rec list.

      Why are we still paying for Congress's health insurance, their meals and all the other perks they get while they are gutting ours? They get all the perks while we get a pile of shit.

      by snoopydawg on Sat Jul 30, 2011 at 08:19:22 AM PDT

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      •  Soldiers don't sign up to fight for the MICC (3+ / 0-)
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        llbear, jimstaro, rebel ga

        They sign up to fight for the USA.

        I like that. I like that we have people willing to fight for our nation.

        It is our job, the rest of the US citizens, to take care of the MICC - to get rid of the worst and to hone the best. But a soldier's job is one of public service. Please don't think otherwise.

        •  Sorry but I disagree (0+ / 0-)

          Sort of. I know many do sign up out of patriotism but what gives them the right to help invade another country?  If it was for defense of the US, then yes. But they are fighting for the corporations. Not one war has been for self defense since WW 2.
          You can't save lives if you are bombing the hell out of a country. Or kicking in doors during the nite.
          Yep, I disagree with you. Respectfully.

          Why are we still paying for Congress's health insurance, their meals and all the other perks they get while they are gutting ours? They get all the perks while we get a pile of shit.

          by snoopydawg on Sat Jul 30, 2011 at 11:08:09 AM PDT

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          •  Soldiers aren't given 'rights' to invade other (1+ / 0-)
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            countries. Congress and the President command that they do so. Following a command and having a right are completely different kettle of fish.

            Soldiers follow orders. I'm sorry, but we can't have a military where the members pick and chose which orders to follow. That wouldn't be the military, would it? We can have a military where our senior officers act in responsible ways but they still ultimately follow the orders of Congress and the President.

            I don't think your problem isn't that soldiers or even generals follow orders. Your problem is that our military system is broken. It is broken in the same way that our election system is broken. It is owned and run by companies.

            Soldiers can do what they can to fix that system from within but ultimate responsibility for the MICC rests with Congress, the President, and, yes, the Judicial Branch. Our government if responsible and that ultimately means you and me. We elect them.

            •  Yes angelajean We Are Responsible. (1+ / 0-)
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              Our government if responsible and that ultimately means you and me. We elect them.

              And even if we didn't vote for them, we're responsible for not doing more to stop them from getting elected.

              Americans, even those with good intentions need to put more effort into not letting politicians run our govt. It is a govt of the people and by the people and we all need to vote in a responsible way, even on the lowest levels. State, County, City, etc. to ensure that we have leaders who will keep us out of war and not be bought.
              I'm from Hudson County NJ. So believe me I know about politicians being bought. And for chump change too!

              This bunch of  politicians were bought for big bucks though.
              Georgie Porgie, Pudding Pie, Kissed The Nation Made It Cry

              Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

              by rebel ga on Sat Jul 30, 2011 at 09:12:11 PM PDT

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  •  Thanks, jimstaro, and "Ramen" angelajean. (8+ / 0-)

    This is such a no-brainer. For people with brains, anyway.

    Can't eat the flag. That's for sure.
    Kossack Lightbulb 7-2-11

    by OleHippieChick on Sat Jul 30, 2011 at 05:14:57 AM PDT

  •  I Blew (5+ / 0-)

    Another cell, getting so I'm loosing way too many, last night after watching a CBS report on four con critters from SC who were fighting for more cuts, as they said three have them went to the chapel to 'pray', who the hell are these corporate clowns praying to!!!!!!!!!!!

    CCR:"If you're a torturer, be careful in your travel plans. It's a slow process for accountability, but we keep going."

    by jimstaro on Sat Jul 30, 2011 at 05:40:20 AM PDT

  •  An early version of "Fight the power" (6+ / 0-)
    "If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
    -- Samuel Adams

    Good definition of the T's; "vain and aspiring men" and women.

    "Remember Bob. No fear, no envy, no meanness" Liam Clancy to Bob Dylan

    by BOHICA on Sat Jul 30, 2011 at 05:47:58 AM PDT

  •  If these non-vet pols had their way, the military (3+ / 0-)
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    llbear, jimstaro, rebel ga

    would serve for free and all of what should be their accrued pay and benefits would be sent over to the industries to make more and more useless weapons and more and more outrageous profits.

    Character is who you are when no one is watching.

    by incognita on Sat Jul 30, 2011 at 09:22:57 AM PDT

  •  I've said it before (2+ / 0-)
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    jimstaro, rebel ga

    During freshman orientation for newly elected Congressmen they should all be required to meet and talk one-to-one with the kids who have life-long injuries. If we are at war, they need to be taken to the battlefield.

    One additional idea: Any soldier, sailor, or Marine who sustains a life-long injury [including PTS & TBI] as a result of using substandard equipment [poorly designed helmets, vehicles requiring up-armor during manufacture] automatically get 100% disability + a life-long treble damage payment, 1/2 from DoD - the other 1/2 from the manufacturer. That way the manufacturer would not want to sell the DoD defective equipment, and th DoD wouldn't allow its use.

    Bring them all home NOW. There is no longer any excuse.

    by llbear on Sat Jul 30, 2011 at 10:46:39 AM PDT

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