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From the looks of this Chyron, it seems that Fox is thirsty for another round of economic hostage-taking and tea party terrorism from Republicans:

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To recap: The S&P downgraded U.S. debt because of political gridlock, effectively saying that they issued their downgrade because Republicans are nuts.

And Fox's net takeaway: The S&P downgrade was an invitation for Republicans to go nuts all over again.

I guess they just aren't satisfied with getting (in John Boehner's own words) "98 percent" of what they wanted. They want it all.

Originally posted to The Jed Report on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 08:32 AM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  No shit, Sherlock. (14+ / 0-)

    I work with B2B PAC, and all views and opinions in this account are my own.

    by slinkerwink on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 08:35:01 AM PDT

  •  If we're treating their (4+ / 0-)

    commentary as prediction, then they are probably correct.

    With every goddess a let down, every idol a bring down, it gets you down / but the search for perfection, your own predilection, goes on and on and on. . .

    by cardinal on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 08:36:49 AM PDT

  •  Irresponsible?.....no...that's not it....Morons?.. (4+ / 0-)

    no......Five-Year-Olds......Yep!...That's the one.

    •  Yeah But...The dollar is political...nothing more. (4+ / 0-)
    •  Nah, S & P Got it right (5+ / 0-)
      The political brinksmanship of recent months highlights what we see as America’s governance and policymaking becoming less stable, less effective, and less predictable than what we previously believed. The statutory debt ceiling and the threat of default have become political bargaining chips in the debate over fiscal policy. Despite this year’s wide-ranging debate, in our view, the differences between political parties have proven to be extraordinarily difficult to bridge, and, as we see it, the resulting agreement fell well short of the comprehensive fiscal consolidation program that some proponents had envisaged until quite recently. Republicans and Democrats have only been able to agree to relatively modest savings on discretionary spending while delegating to the Select Committee decisions on more comprehensive measures. It appears that for now, new revenues have dropped down on the menu of policy options. In addition, the plan envisions only minor policy changes on Medicare and little change in other entitlements, the containment of which we and most other independent observers regard as key to long-term fiscal sustainability.
      •  John Chambers, head of S&P, has made donations (18+ / 0-)

        totaling over $180,000 to the Democratic Party and over $1,000,000 to the Republican Party.[8] He served as a co-chair in Republican John McCain's 2008 presidential bid.

        McCain is now saying the downgrade is Obama's failure.

        It's hard to see this as anything other than a political hit job.

        Republicans hate Gov't because they're so bad at it. Tea Baggers are even more devolved, they want to destroy Gov't, at any cost. God help us survive til 2012.....

        by hideinplainsight on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 08:54:56 AM PDT

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        •  If it were a 'hit job' (0+ / 0-)

          S & P would not have said

          It appears that for now, new revenues have dropped down on the menu of policy options.

          FYI, "new revenues" = tax increases.

          •  so... Republicans spew bullshit, but S&P-- never? (1+ / 0-)
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            hideinplainsight

            Yeah, it sounds great. Sounds like a reasonable reason for downgrading US sovereign debt. They rake in billions because they are good at issuing very persuasive-sounding ratings. They are also totally 'captured' by the very Wall Street firms whose 'financial products' they pretend to objectively rate, and they are one with the Plutocratic party currently running this country. In case you don't remember, a few years ago S&P had all kinds of very plausible-sounding reasons why mortgage-backed 'financial products' were AAA investments. But those plausible reasons weren't the actual reasons they gave out those AAA ratings. The actual reason was that publishing AAA ratings made the owners of S&P a lot richer. That is also the plan behind publishing an AA+ rating on US sovereign debt.

        •  This "hit job" will boomerang back at S&P if (4+ / 0-)
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          investors continue to BUY Treasuries in response to S&P's downgrade of Treasuries.

          If the market rejects the downgrade it is S&P's credibility that will take the hit.

        •  S&P (1+ / 0-)
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          hideinplainsight

          S&P's Corporate Parent is McGraw-Hill. McGraw-Hill Corp President & CEO is Harold McGraw III; who supports Mitt Romney for President.

          The McGraw-Hill Companies is driving the financial services, education and business information markets through leading brands such as Standard & Poor's, McGraw-Hill Education and J.D. Power and Associates.

          http://www.mcgraw-hill.com/...

          It is a terrible thing to see and have no vision. ~ Helen Keller

          by Pam from Calif on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 12:17:03 PM PDT

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      •  Simple Error Or Adopting the Alternative Baseline (0+ / 0-)

        Scenario from the CBO that the Republicans have used consistently to overstate the future deficit and debt problem?

        There's a difference.

        One is an unintended mistake in interpreting the CBO analysis.

        The other would be a choice that may be a possible indication of something more fundamentally deficient or even corrupt.

        In either case, it's hard to call it a 'math error'.

        Nate Silver brings  up a host of other issues with S&P's track record, including the "math error".  (Though I still wondering why the fact that the actual bond buyers in the "market" bought the very large backlog of US Govt Bonds auctioned after the debt ceiling law was passed and bought them at very, very low rates has less significance than the judgement of one ratings agency.  I thought the "market", especially the kind of savy, informed players who purchase billions of dollars worth of bonds, are supposed to 'know' what's risky and what's not.  Guess the 'invisible hand' is to be ingored when it contradicts the 'very serious people's mouths'.)  But back the the supposed 'math error' that is really the choice to use the Alternative Scenario Baseline.

        As Sec. Geithner describes it:

        ...Specifically, CBO calculated that the Budget Control Act, including its discretionary caps, would save $2.1 trillion relative to a “baseline” in which current discretionary funding levels grow with inflation.

        S&P incorrectly added that same $2.1 trillion in deficit reduction to an entirely different “baseline” where discretionary funding levels grow with nominal GDP over the next 10 years. Relative to this alternative “baseline,” the Budget Control Act will save more than $4 trillion over ten years – or over $2 trillion more than S&P calculated. (The baseline in which discretionary spending grows with nominal GDP is substantially higher because CBO assumes that nominal GDP grows by just under 5 percent a year on average, while inflation is around 2.5 percent a year on average. ...

        Now, as I've mentioned before, the CBO analysis of BCA 2011 is not the model of clarity one might wish concerning the impact of the 'deem and pass' supposedly contained in that law for the 2012 budget.  But the CBO clearly states the baseline it is using and then adjusting - and it is NOT their previous Alternative Scenario Baseline.  

        The reason the alternative baseline shows greater deficits and debt is that it assumes Congress will take actions to change existing law in ways that will result in those deeper deficits and deeper debt, for instance it assumes we will not allow the Temporary Bush Tax Cuts to lapse according to the existing law (after being extended in the last 'grand' budget compromise for the fiscal year that ends Sept 30.)

        ...CBO’s baseline projections are predicated on the assumption that many policies now in place will be allowed to expire over the next decade, as scheduled under current law. If, instead, those policies were extended, budget deficits would be much larger than in the baseline. ...

        CBO March 2011

        The June 2011 CBO Long Term Budget Outlook  illustrates repeatedly the difference between their Baseline Scenario and their Alterative Baseline Scenario - especially in their extended formats.  (Including the title page graph of revenue and outlays under the two scenarios and the resulting debt increases.  You'll recognize where the Republicans got their chart for the skyrocketing debt.)

        Rep. Ryan frequently uses this alternative baseline to support his narrative (ie, if Republicans force Congress to make things worse, they'll be worse and then we'll have to sacrifice Medicare to make things less worse).  

        Many Republican House and Senate members use the CBO's Alternative Baseline Scenario for their graphs and charts to scare the American people from the floor of the House and Senate and at townhall meetings. Institutional members of the RightWing echo chamber use it in their support of the Ryan (end of Medicare as we know it) budget plan.  

        Given past practices and given the President's 2012 budget proposal (still not passed into law), it s possible that some or maybe even all of that alternate scenario may come to pass.  But it is not what CBO said they used to measure savings from the BCA of 2011.  (Impact of the 'deem and pass' being something completely different'.)

        So why would S&P use the Alternative Baseline Scenario so frequently used by Republicans and lobbying/think tank groups reprenting the wealthy business interests whose agenda the Republicans serve?  

        Simple mistake?  A mere coincidence that after such consistent use by the Republicans that S&P would fall 'victim' to such an error?  Maybe. (Which would prove how effective that little slight of hand has been.)

        But if we know the difference between the CBO's Baseline and Alternative Baseline, wouldn't you think an international ratings agency like S&P would know that too?

        Is that merely a math error?

        We'd rather dream the American Dream than fight to live it or to give it to our kids. What a shame. What an awful, awful shame.

        by Into The Woods on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 11:05:16 AM PDT

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  •  If our President would show some leadership (3+ / 0-)
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    then perhaps they wouldn't think they can get away with this kind of bullshit over and over again.  

    The Patriot Act: IOKIYAD!

    by Beelzebud on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 08:47:52 AM PDT

  •  Quote of the Day (11+ / 0-)

    The lack of inclusion of any revenues in the deal is utterly mind-numbing...[This happened ] because one party has no clue how to negotiate and another party believes in taking hostages to get its way irregardless of the cost.

    -- Bonddad

  •  It's like a death spiral (the skating kind) (2+ / 0-)
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    ColoTim, pengiep

    Sure, you can do it and it may look really cool, but somebody is going to repeatedly get clobbered. Bipartisanship and teamwork are both great, but how come it's always got to be the dems dancing backwards and taking the blows to the head?

    "I'm not a humanitarian. I'm a hell-raiser." Mother Jones

    by histopresto on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 08:52:22 AM PDT

  •  Fox is crazy, no debate, (0+ / 0-)

    but if John Boehner has to go around telling people he got 98% of what he wanted, it means he either didn't, or he got something other than what people think he did.  The Green Bay Packers don't go around telling people they won the superbowl.  

    Based on the time and location -- and contingentness -- of the cuts, Boehner moved significantly away from the 1:1 line he could have stuck to.  What he wanted was a way to avoid a default while saving face with his base.  Probably didn't even get that, based on the polls.  But the 98% figure sounds like an easy way to attack Obama without engaging with the choices each party had to make, so if Boehner's goal was to get the fucking Rahms to attack the President, yup.

    "This world demands the qualities of youth: not a time of life but a state of mind[.]" -- Robert F. Kennedy

    by Loge on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 08:53:55 AM PDT

  •  Part of their plan (4+ / 0-)
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    Jerry056, Publius2008, ColoTim, Matt Z

    since Jan. 21, 2009.

    No one ever died from laughing too often

    by googie on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 08:57:56 AM PDT

  •  They won't be happy til every US downtown (4+ / 0-)
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    RichM, ColoTim, pengiep, Matt Z

    looks like Tottingham and Brixton, so they'll have an excuse to put down the rioting savages.

    All in the interest of public safety, of course.

    I support public employee's unions.

    by Tracker on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 08:58:12 AM PDT

  •  S&P just announced downgrade of both Fannie and (3+ / 0-)

    Freddie.  Only the blind, deaf and dumb fail to make the connection between the inaction, or inappropriate reactions in Congress with the economic consequences of their insanity.

    Murdoch, Fox News spin has gone beyond anything that can be considered credible or news worthy.

  •  The Denver Post was predicting the next battle (6+ / 0-)

    will be over the expiration of the federal gasoline tax that funds road development and maintenance.  It's been at its current 18 cents since either the end of George HW Bush's term or the beginning of Clinton's (can't recall).  It's set to expire September 30th and the article quoted a Republican kingpin (Grover Norquist) as saying that they're against the federal government having any role in the tax - that taxes on fuel should be state by state.  So I would expect from that a push to let the tax lapse and either no agreement or further hostage taking.

    It just makes no sense that the states that have the most highways should not have the biggest needs from the tax and it is only through sharing the costs across the country that roads (which carry cargo to and from the coasts) should not be helped to be maintained by drivers in the coastal states (which on the east are usually much smaller).  But of course, when was sense a value for national Republicans who want to drown the national government in the bathtub?

    •  What I see happening (1+ / 0-)
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      ColoTim

      and I honestly don't think it is a bad idea in the beginning -- Many state's will take advantage of an expiration and tack up to 18 cents more onto state gas taxes.  If I were in the legislature, I'd have that bill written already and ready to go with trigger language -- that it goes into effect on the date the federal tax is due to expire and only if it is allowed to expire.

      Consumers will be in the same position as before and the state's can use the revenues for state highway projects -- ergo jobs.

      The down side -- which will affect the poor and middle class is if the feds later re-institute a federal tax.

      Vi er alle norske " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

      by gchaucer2 on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 09:07:36 AM PDT

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      •  Some States (1+ / 0-)
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        ColoTim

        Some states will replace the federal tax with one of their own.  Other states will not.  I'm in favor of letting the states with good sense do it on their own, so their citizens will benefit from good roads, while the states who refuse can have dirt roads.

        Texas has been told that they need to spend $270 billion on transporation over the next 10 years, just to keep up.

      •  This would work in a few states (2+ / 0-)
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        ColoTim, Matt Z

        where there are blue statehouses. If you have a red state legislature, or split, it won't fly.

        Good idea, though.

        "The Greek word for idiot, literally translated, means one who does not participate in politics. That sums up my conviction on the subject." Sen. Gladys Pyle (1890-1989)

        by Melanie in IA on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 09:15:02 AM PDT

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    •  Mainstream repubs, not TB's, KNOW that the bush (2+ / 0-)
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      jfromga, DEMonrat ankle biter

      tax cuts must end to get our fiscal house in order without changes to entitlements.

      Their not going to be listening to Grover.  They actually are getting sick and tired of his BS and ostensibly has led us to where we are today...downgrades and all.

      I don't expect this to change overnite, but I expect to see the rhetoric shift in the coming months.

      Every tax that ends or is reduced simply adds to the deficit.  Sane repubs realize that revenue has to be a part of the mix.

      "With great power, comes great responsibility" -Ben Parker

      by splintersawry on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 09:11:31 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  hope you are right (4+ / 0-)

        fear the last few rational Republicans will sell out the country to keep their seats.

      •  I think the TB set ARE the mainstream Repubs (1+ / 0-)
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        pengiep

        I don't think the fiscally responsible ones are willing to stand up against the TB wing because they see what happens to any that do - they get primaried and they lose.  I haven't kept track, but I also don't think they have the cushy jobs post-loss that the ones who played ball have.

        Sure the numbers are still showing the TB's are the minority, but they wield strength far in excess of their numbers and they keep winning because they have the courage of their conviction, at least within the Republican ranks and they managed to vote enough in to be the most powerful block in the House of Representatives.

    •  if things were left up to states (3+ / 0-)
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      Forward is D not R, ColoTim, pengiep

      there would be no interstate highway system,  so I guess that would make it easier to secede or something.  Fifty itsy bitsy nations fighting over taxes and duties makes so much sense, I can see why Norquist and the teapublicans embrace the idea.

  •  they got (4+ / 0-)

    "I Got 98% Of What I Wanted. I'm Happy."
    -John Boehner

    and can not forgets mitch getting his 2% with this goodie.

    Hostages is wort taken!!!

    so bottom line the Reapunlicans OWN this 100%

  •  I heard that... (1+ / 0-)
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    Beelzebud

    In the next round of negotiations, Obama has already agreed to the 98% rule as a baseline...

    [F]undamentalists pretty much fall under the same banner ie. "we cant control our junk" - LaFeminista

    by RichM on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 08:59:56 AM PDT

  •  Not just Murdoch's tabloid TV (1+ / 0-)
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    ColoTim

    NY Times:

    Downgrade Is Likely to Add Urgency to Debt-Cutting Panel
    By ROBERT PEAR

    The U.S. credit rating drop may add pressure on a panel in Congress to suggest deficit-reduction measures beyond their original goal.

    This reminds me of the excuses for tax cutting.  Good economy / bad economy, it's always the reason for cutting taxes.

    Corporate Washington and corporate media are hopeless.

    Sunday mornings are more beautiful without Meet the Press.

    by deben on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 09:01:45 AM PDT

    •  Even the Nice Polite Republican station this (1+ / 0-)
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      deben

      morning, in talking about the downgrade while I was listening, it was all about how damaging this was to President Obama and how he's the first President to have it happen so he must be responsible.  Nothing while I was listening about the reason why S&P downgraded the US in blaming Congress for being intractable on raising revenues - it was all the President's fault.

      I will grant I didn't start listening till about 8 past the hour, so they might have said something differently in the first 8 minutes, but their Republican political commentator Cokie Roberts had nothing to say but it's Obama's fault.

  •  It works. And it destroys the democratic party. (2+ / 0-)
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    ColoTim, pengiep

    Win-win for Murdoch.

    Obama is "a good man" to many democrats like Bush was "a good man" to republicans.

    by The Dead Man on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 09:02:36 AM PDT

  •  Fox is loading for bear (3+ / 0-)
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    Forward is D not R, ColoTim, pengiep

    If Holder is looking into their behavior around 9/11, who knows what the fuck he might find. Will Roger Ailes be willing to testify before Congress as to what he knew about WMDs?

  •  Shorter GOP/FOX: (1+ / 0-)
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    Southside

    "Woohoo, we're really fucking it up!  Let's make it even worse!"

    Seriously, folks, they're not making it difficult, if we decide to reconfigure our circular firing squad.  They've painted the target on their chest for us to fire the blame there, way, for us to stir up America's fear of letting them govern any further.

    The Tea Party Downgrade should go down in history as the breaking point for the GOP's power.  We should not let the worst fiscal screw-up in American history go to waste.  We should hold them accountable, and make the heat on the Republicans so intense that the usual suspects among the Democrats can't stand to be near them.

    Simple question: In the years since Republicans successfully urged the disempowering of workers and unions in the Midwest, what has happened to those states economies?

    by Stephen Daugherty on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 09:03:44 AM PDT

  •  It's Always Good News For The GOP (2+ / 0-)
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    maryabein, ColoTim

    If there's one thing I've learned from a couple decades of watching the decreasing intersection between Right Wing 'Thought" and reality, it's that every item of news can be spun to the advantage of the Right Wing, and that any data that contradict that will be ignored.  

    That's the role of Fox News, to give their viewers an acceptable reason to ignore reality.

  •  Fox tells the truth (0+ / 0-)

    that's the news.

    Other than ruining the economy, and compelling austerity, wasn't that the purpose of this fake crisis?

    Ordinary political process is dead. The Supreme Court killed it. In Chambers. With a gavel.

    by Publius2008 on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 09:05:26 AM PDT

    •  The deficit is not fake, but tying it's reduction (1+ / 0-)
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      pengiep

      to the debt ceiling bill was.  Obama should've called the whole "deal" off when it was clear that the it was not going to prevent a downgrade.

      Unfortunately, I think he trusted Timmy when he said it wouldn't happen...called it wrong.

      We can avoid major austerity cuts by ending all of the bush tax cuts and allowing the Medicare doc fix to go into effect.

      "With great power, comes great responsibility" -Ben Parker

      by splintersawry on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 09:23:20 AM PDT

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  •  Baggers CHEER when told of causing downgrade! (11+ / 0-)

    Fucking nutjobs have no clue what they are doing.

    Republicans HATE America. Deal with it. / It's the PLUTONOMY, Stupid!

    by xxdr zombiexx on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 09:06:58 AM PDT

  •  Meanwhile (3+ / 0-)
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    tb mare, Forward is D not R, Matt Z

    Rich people on Wall Street losing billions can thank the Koch Brothers for their support.

  •  What will the next hostage be? (2+ / 0-)
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    PittsburghPete, ColoTim
  •  My former sig line: it's opposite day again! (0+ / 0-)

    "The Greek word for idiot, literally translated, means one who does not participate in politics. That sums up my conviction on the subject." Sen. Gladys Pyle (1890-1989)

    by Melanie in IA on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 09:15:52 AM PDT

  •  Cut all you want Boehner...If you're not growing (0+ / 0-)

    you're still fucked.....'We have a spending problem'......nice bumpersticker for a carnival barker...unseemly for the speaker of the hose.

  •  And the media just reports talking points... (0+ / 0-)

    ...as if they were news, creating their usual "He said, she said" dynamic void of any analysis, and our disengaged public just throws up its hands and says it's everyone's fault.

    Not a news flash, but the corporate media is broken beyond redemption. Problem is, though, I don't see "new media" (to use an ironically old term) as a solution. Sure, we can find like-minded sane people and feel a sense of community here, and that's worth something for sure...but I just don't see the net spreading the truth to the masses of unengaged voters out there. Everyone goes to the net to read what they want to read, not, in many cases, what they need to read. This nation has no collective consciousness, no zeitgeist, no shared wisdom, beyond pop culture.

  •  Well does Fox work for the GOP or does (0+ / 0-)

    the GOP work for Fox...

    The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy;the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness

    by CTMET on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 09:22:47 AM PDT

  •  Cherry Picking To The Max..... (3+ / 0-)
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    ColoTim, Dave B, jalenth

    Could they get any dumber?  S&P specifically, pointedly said Republican refusal to raise revenue & the gamesmanship in Washington caused a loss of confidence.  

    That means you, FOX.  That means you, Tea Party.

    You have ostriches sticking their heads in the sand.....then you have FOX ostriches.  A different breed altogether.  

  •  I suspect Wall St WANTED Obama (2+ / 0-)
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    sethtriggs, Dave B

    to come out swinging with a 14th amendment power play.  Or so it seems.   I just get a feeling that the market reaction IS that tea-bagger hegemony scares the crap outta them.

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 09:34:49 AM PDT

  •  Our Republican pals (0+ / 0-)

    have been pretty successful on the negotiating front lately. Why would you expect them to stop asking for more?

    is Obama the only sane Republican running for president in 2012?

    by al23 on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 09:41:59 AM PDT

  •  The sweetest outcome of this would be if (0+ / 0-)

    S&P turns out to be irrelevant.

  •  are you forgetting who S&P IS? (0+ / 0-)

    They are owned by card-carrying (I believe the card is a color of American Express that you and I don't even know about, since advertisements for it only appear in periodicals costing several thousand dollars per issue) members of the plutocracy. These owners decided to downgrade US sovereign debt for reasons having nothing to do with evaluating risk, and everything to do with supporting the plutacrats' program of eliminating all taxes on themselves and all government spending except for police, spies, and armed forces. OF COURSE the outcome of the downgrade is supposed to be further attempts to slash government spending. OF COURSE the outcome is supposed to be that the Democrats, not the Republicans, get blamed for causing the downgrade. Please don't be fooled by the bullshit 'reasons' S&P publicly issued for their downgrade. Anyone who's been following the story closely knows that they made the decision first, cooked up some totally bogus numbers to justify it, and then, when their bogus numbers were challenged, retreated completely from any kind of financial justification and replaced it with some vague political boilerplate. S&P downgraded US sovereign debt because they thought the Republican party would like them to.

  •  The definition of "all" (0+ / 0-)

    will change daily as they try to move the goalposts further rightward.

  •  On the Sunday shows, (0+ / 0-)

    they were doubling down like a compulsive gambler in Vegas on a 3 day drunk.

    Hey Speaker Boehner, do you like apples? Well, your debt ceiling proposal just failed to come to a vote after showing a Ben Affleck movie. How do you like them apples?

    by AZphilosopher on Mon Aug 08, 2011 at 10:48:41 AM PDT

  •  Based on Republican math skills... (0+ / 0-)

    John Boehner won't be happy until he gets 198% of what he wants.

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