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Come on take the poll before you read the diary, and be honest put that first impression on the survey.

I just came out of yet another comment stream where a person actually had the audacity to compare the relative worth of Barack Obama and FDR stating how much better FDR really was for us Black folk.  Now one might be staggered at the hubris of one people telling another who was better for them, but oh well on that one.

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The answer is FDR snubbed Jesse Owens, and not Hitler.

Owens said, "Hitler didn't snub me – it was FDR who snubbed me. The president didn't even send me a telegram."[13] On the other hand, Hitler sent Owens a commemorative inscribed cabinet photograph of himself.[14] Jesse Owens was never invited to the White House nor were honors bestowed upon him by president Franklin D. Roosevelt (FDR) or his successor Harry S. Truman during their terms. In 1955, President Dwight D. Eisenhower honored Owens by naming him an "Ambassador of Sports."

Wiki link strange how that's the other way around in school

So, my extremely nervy friends as you’re picking my heroes do be sure to include Dwight David Eisenhower, who was actually the first President to include a Black person in his executive cabinet.  

So the next time someone tries to tell me that straight out FDR was better for Black people then Barack Hussein Obama, I’ll link back to this diary, and if need be I’ll do one about the American concentration camps for Japanese people followed by one about the Rabbis who marched on Washington to be ignored.

Men are men of their times.  Let people pick their own heroes.

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    •  I Should Mention (24+ / 0-)

      ... that I actually met Jesse Owens when I was a teenager.  It was at an event followed by a dinner that lasted about four hours.  Jesse spoke for over three hours about his experiences, in particular the 1936 Berlin Olympics.  He was asked numerous questions by the guests and here's what I wrote about him in this diary -- Great Athletes Who Thrilled Us and Enriched Our Lives.

      My distinct memory is that Owens didn't think much of Adolf Hitler.

      A personal story.  As a teenager, I once met Jesse Owens and I remember him as a very decent, soft-spoken person who was full of stories about his athletic past.  One that made a terrific impression on me was Jesse reminiscing about his return from the 1936 Berlin Olympics on a train ride from New York to Ohio - one which stopped at all the small towns en route to his home in Ohio.  

      He recalled the train stopping late into the night at a small town in Central Pennsylvania.  After the usual speeches and 'meet 'n greet' with local politicians, Jesse and his wife reboarded the train and just as it was leaving the platform, a young, well-dressed white boy came running after them through the crowd and thrust a small brown paper bag in his hand.  Jesse said he didn't think much of it and put the paper bag along with the dozens of other presents they were showered with.  Upon his return home, he opened all the presents and in the bag was an envelope containing $10,000!  Remember, this was at the height of the Great Depression in the mid-1930's.  My lingering memory of this encounter was of a man who reeked of integrity and character and, given the segregated past he had to overcome in his native Alabama, with not a bitter bone in his body.

      As far as FDR goes, his place in history is secure, nothwithstanding his personal failures, among them, not rocking the Civil Rights boat and alienating entrenched Southern Democrats in Congress.  That unholy link between the Democratic establishment and southern politicians would not be broken until LBJ spearheaded and signed into law landmark legislation in the mid-1960's and one that acknowledged institutional racism in our society.

      As far as comparing FDR and Barack Obama, those of us steeped in political science and history take the long-term view.  It is way too early to make any meaningful comparisons.  Read this thread and two comments I made in it which argues for "historical revisionism."

    •  The relevant question would appear to be (2+ / 0-)
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      Did FDR congratulate other Olympic winners?

      If he did, then Owens was snubbed.

      If he didn't, he wasn't.

      "Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation..."--David St. Hubbins

      by Old Left Good Left on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 03:42:09 PM PDT

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      •  asdf (7+ / 0-)

        http://en.wikipedia.org/...

        After the 1936 Berlin Olympics, the white American athletes were invited to meet Roosevelt. No such invitation was made to the black athletes including even Jesse Owens, who had won four gold medals.

        Down below someone is demanding that I prove this happened which is patently absurd.  This was a country more segregated then the worst of South Africa and proving such petty points is beyond my ability to care.

        "I honor the place in you where Spirit lives I honor the place in you which is of Love, of Truth, of Light, of Peace, when you are in that place in you, and I am in that place in me, then we are One." Namaste friends!

        by Adept2u on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 03:52:28 PM PDT

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        •  That wiki entry is unsourced (1+ / 0-)
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          "Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation..."--David St. Hubbins

          by Old Left Good Left on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 04:01:12 PM PDT

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        •  Petty? (1+ / 0-)
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          It's a central fact relating to your diary.

          "Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation..."--David St. Hubbins

          by Old Left Good Left on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 04:02:39 PM PDT

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          •  No actually I didn't mention that in my diary (7+ / 0-)

            What I mentioned in my diary is what Jesse Owens said.  I tell you what, you find me a picture of Black Olympians and FDR and I'll concede the point.

            "I honor the place in you where Spirit lives I honor the place in you which is of Love, of Truth, of Light, of Peace, when you are in that place in you, and I am in that place in me, then we are One." Namaste friends!

            by Adept2u on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 04:11:06 PM PDT

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            •  It's your claim...you prove it (2+ / 0-)
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              Plus, you still don't get the point.  If FDR met with, or congratulated, white Olympians, then he snubbed Owens because of his race.  If FDR met with black Olympians, but not Owens, that might prove that he snubbed Owens, but not because of his race.

              "Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation..."--David St. Hubbins

              by Old Left Good Left on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 04:16:18 PM PDT

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              •  Well you know what (8+ / 0-)

                I think I'll be able to sleep tonight with that claim as unproven in your eyes.  It is not at all surprising to me and does not require proof.  FDR was the same President that put Japanese in concentration camps, refused to meet with Jewish Rabbis pleading for their peoples lives and allowed vicious race riots all across this country.  Jesse Owens was the one who said that FDR snubbed him, and if you don't think it was because of his race, maybe you can tell me another reason he should have been ignored.  Eisenhower remembered him.

                "I honor the place in you where Spirit lives I honor the place in you which is of Love, of Truth, of Light, of Peace, when you are in that place in you, and I am in that place in me, then we are One." Namaste friends!

                by Adept2u on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 04:26:47 PM PDT

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                •  You are reality challenged (1+ / 0-)
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                  Sleep well in your ignorant bliss.

                  "Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation..."--David St. Hubbins

                  by Old Left Good Left on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 04:28:26 PM PDT

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                  •  Why yes (6+ / 0-)

                    Your reality has nothing to do with mine.  In yours you require proof of what is self evident to me.  Thanks for the well wishes on my slumber I will.

                    "I honor the place in you where Spirit lives I honor the place in you which is of Love, of Truth, of Light, of Peace, when you are in that place in you, and I am in that place in me, then we are One." Namaste friends!

                    by Adept2u on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 05:03:59 PM PDT

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                    •  Must be wonderful (3+ / 0-)
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                      to just make up your facts.  Saves time and effort, I'm sure.

                      "Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation..."--David St. Hubbins

                      by Old Left Good Left on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 05:33:41 PM PDT

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                      •  Oh you're calling me a liar (8+ / 0-)

                        So do you think I made up the wiki page that you called unsourced?

                        "I honor the place in you where Spirit lives I honor the place in you which is of Love, of Truth, of Light, of Peace, when you are in that place in you, and I am in that place in me, then we are One." Namaste friends!

                        by Adept2u on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 06:16:47 PM PDT

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                        •  Here is another source that supports you (6+ / 0-)

                          This is from the U.K. Daily Mail:

                          'After all those stories about Hitler and his snub, I came back to my native country and I couldn't ride in the front of the bus,' Owens recalled. 'I had to go to the back door. I couldn't live where I wanted. Now what's the difference?'

                          Owens was given a tickertape parade in New York. But when he arrived at the Waldorf Astoria hotel for a reception in his honour, he was instructed to take the service lift rather than the normal guest lift, which was reserved for whites.  

                          President Franklin Roosevelt never congratulated Owens or invited him to the White House. 'Hitler didn't snub me -it was FDR who snubbed me,' Owens said.

                          Here is the link to the Daily Mail article.  It has other stories of the numerous indignities heaped upon Jessie Owens upon his return to the U.S.

                          It Was America That Snubbed Jessie Owens - U.K. Daily Mail

                           

                          •  You guys really should NOT pull your facts (0+ / 0-)

                            from the friggin' Daily Mail. How many times does it have to be said?

                            That is a conservative rag worth no more than using for a bird cage liner.

                            They post that shit simply to get the reaction that they got from Adept2u who takes it as the gospel and then does hit jobs on liberals and gets the hate on against progressives.


                            The true way is along a rope that is not spanned high in the air, but only just above the ground. It seems intended more to cause stumbling than to be walked upon. --Franz Kafka

                            by bronte17 on Sun Aug 14, 2011 at 12:38:14 PM PDT

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                          •  There is no quesion that Owens was snubbed (0+ / 0-)

                            The question is whether he was snubbed by FDR because of his race.

                            So unless FDR was controlling the Waldorf Astoria, the Daily Mail article is irrelevant and adds nothing.

                            "Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation..."--David St. Hubbins

                            by Old Left Good Left on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 08:11:49 AM PDT

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              •  Do you really think that the President didn't (4+ / 0-)
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                meet with any of the victorious Olympians?  Is that reasonable at all to assume?  If I told you that President Clinton came to my high school and didn't meet with me would you assume that I was lying about him coming to my high school?  I doubt I can find accounts of it in the press.  If you have access to some resource I don't, I.E. Nexus/Lexus, then it would be great if you could do a quick search on the president meeting Olympians in 1936.

                I refuse to represent my political beliefs using numbers. It isn't accurate, nor is it helpful. But I'm around a -10 on both scales.

                by AoT on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 06:05:05 PM PDT

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                •  What are you finding so hard to believe? (5+ / 0-)

                  FDR - despite the attempt to make him a saint, Che Guevara and John Brown all in one -  was a man of his times, and a very flawed one at that.
                  In those times black people were just barely human in the eyes of the majority community.
                  FDR did not meet with Jesse Owens and it should be very easy for you to confirm that fact.

                  Obama/Biden 2012!

                  by JoanMar on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 09:00:12 PM PDT

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                  •  I'm not the one that finds it hard to believe (3+ / 0-)
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                    I guess this thread is a bit confusing, or you just replied to the wrong comment.  Someone was trying to claim that there was no proof that FDR met with any of the Olympians, which is a bit hard to believe.

                    I refuse to represent my political beliefs using numbers. It isn't accurate, nor is it helpful. But I'm around a -10 on both scales.

                    by AoT on Sun Aug 14, 2011 at 07:59:16 AM PDT

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        •  this is a fascinating diary, (3+ / 0-)
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          but your title had me flummoxed at first. Put a comma or other punctuation after "Owens" and it'll be much more transparent, as we now say.

          I still think the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were and are unnecessary, the whole "war on terror" is just a reaction to self-induced fear. I still think there is a war on women. -- from LaFeminista

          by Mnemosyne on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 04:27:22 PM PDT

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  •  Haven't you heard, black folks need the (21+ / 0-)

    "Professional Left" to tell us what to think.

    "Because I am a river to my people."

    by lordcopper on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 02:19:53 PM PDT

  •  And this gets us where exactly? (11+ / 0-)

    What does it accomplish?

    Obama still has time to announce he's not running for a second term. THEN we could have a productive and meaningful Democratic Primary. We desperately need that.

    by gooderservice on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 02:24:04 PM PDT

  •  I find the adulation (23+ / 0-)

    of FDR on this site extraordinarily selective.  It focuses on WPA prior to any significant reguations regarding the environment and labor.  It competely ignores FDR's (not Eleanore's) rejection of AA civil rights, incarceration of Japanese Americans and the rejection of ship loads of terrified Jews -- sending them back to potential death in the camps -- or just on the fucking roads to the camps.  Ignore the attempt to stack the SC which would have set an odious precident.

    Yes, I admire FDR for many things -- but I am not an idolator like some herein who ignore history.

    Vi er alle norske " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 02:30:04 PM PDT

  •  He was treated better by the Germans (7+ / 0-)

    than his own countrymen

  •  While I agree with you (10+ / 0-)

    that FDR was horrible on the subject of black civil rights (and actually he was also terrible on issues concerning gays, from way back in 1919 when he was Assistant Navy Secretary and he was ordering antigay sting operations for the first known time in history) didn't Hitler just do a couple of photo ops and stuff to keep eyes off the atrocities he was committing? He wasn't being particularly pro-civil rights, he was doing that to lie to the world and pretend he wasn't a mass murderer.

    "I will never compromise on my commitment to equal rights for all LGBT Americans." - President Obama, 2/28/08

    by indiemcemopants on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 02:36:39 PM PDT

    •  I said this up top (12+ / 0-)

      http://www.dailykos.com/...

      It was supposed to be the comment in my tip jar but I blew it when hitting publish.  This is no endorsement of Hitler, but a reflection on the time when racism wasn't just a German pre-occupation.  I think a case can be made that Germany settled up for it's racism, can America say the same?

      "I honor the place in you where Spirit lives I honor the place in you which is of Love, of Truth, of Light, of Peace, when you are in that place in you, and I am in that place in me, then we are One." Namaste friends!

      by Adept2u on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 02:39:50 PM PDT

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      •  Good question (7+ / 0-)
        a case can be made that Germany settled up for it's racism, can America say the same?

        Answer is No.

        One bitter fact is two bit hacks populate the third rate fourth estate who are truly the fifth columnists. So, how did Obama piss you off today ?
        Call the media when they Lie

        by amk for obama on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 02:44:06 PM PDT

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      •  "did Germany elect a Jew (1+ / 0-)
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        badger

        for President yet?"  might be a more interesting question, if such comparisons are valid.

        don't always believe what you think...

        by claude on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 02:54:32 PM PDT

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        •  Do you feel electing a politician (5+ / 0-)

          Is settlement?  I'd be more to see what policies were adopted and I think it's fair to say that Germany has tried very hard to make amends to the Jewish and other people they destroyed in WWII.  In their country the kind of racism we hand out like Christmas presents would be illegal.

          "I honor the place in you where Spirit lives I honor the place in you which is of Love, of Truth, of Light, of Peace, when you are in that place in you, and I am in that place in me, then we are One." Namaste friends!

          by Adept2u on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 03:15:59 PM PDT

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          •  you brought up "settled" in (0+ / 0-)

            the context of forgiving Germany.  I'm asking if an allegedly "racist" country (USA) elects a Black President, would the equivalent to that be Germany, with an ugly stain of anti-Semitism in its past, electing a Jew as President.

            Have the Germans passed Affirmative Action for Jews  legislation to try to right some of the sins of the past?  Did they fight long bloody battles, legislatively speaking, to pass laws against racial discrimination?  Have the Germans completely eradicated racist sentiment from their national consciousness and are without racist weirdos?

            I'll grant Germany a  lot of credit for confronting its past. I also give credit to us, the USA, warts and all, for what efforts we have made, however incomplete,  to confront ours.  I was never so proud of us as I was when we elected Barrack Obama our President.  I am still proud of that, however disappointed I may be in how he has done his job.  And I know just how tough a row he has chosen to hoe.

            Yes, there is racism out there in America, overt and covert, conscious and unconscious, and yes, it does cloud peoples' judgments against the President.  And the rest of us, who are not so clouded, GET that. It does not require African heritage to get that.

            I am not your enemy.

            don't always believe what you think...

            by claude on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 05:32:52 PM PDT

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            •  Affirmative Action (6+ / 0-)

              Benefited the class white woman the most.

              Affirmative action was not required in post war Germany to the extent they no longer excluded Jews from their body politic to the extent there were any left.  There is currently no example of Jews being precluded from the better parts of society through structural anti semitism as structural racism exists to this day in this society.

              It is impossible for me to be disappointed in Barack Obama I know what kind of nasty viciousness he has before him and on both sides.

              Birthers were invented by leftist, and I'll never forgive that.

              I'm not sure why you thought I thought you were an enemy.

              "I honor the place in you where Spirit lives I honor the place in you which is of Love, of Truth, of Light, of Peace, when you are in that place in you, and I am in that place in me, then we are One." Namaste friends!

              by Adept2u on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 05:59:48 PM PDT

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              •  Could you point me toward when this happened? (2+ / 0-)
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                "Birthers were invented by leftist, and I'll never forgive that."

                I assume it was during or right after the Obama/Clinton primary shit that went down, but if you had something more concrete that would be awesome.  The PUMA shit, right?

                I refuse to represent my political beliefs using numbers. It isn't accurate, nor is it helpful. But I'm around a -10 on both scales.

                by AoT on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 06:41:21 PM PDT

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        •  Do you really think that Obama's election was (2+ / 0-)
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          some form of reparations to African Americans?

          "Because I am a river to my people."

          by lordcopper on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 06:57:02 PM PDT

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  •  I'm not making a judgment (9+ / 0-)

    as to which president, Roosevelt or Obama, was better for black people.  Since I'm not black, I don't feel it's my place to make such a judgment.

    Clearly the symbolism of having a black president in a country where black people were once enslaved and where they were treated as less than equal under the law until just a few decades ago is a tremendous achievement for black people.  In addition the Affordable Care Act will give insurance to many millions of black people, who are the most uninsured segment of the American populace.  The Stimulus included many benefits for black folks such as the Earned Income Tax Credit, increased heating assistance, increase in food stamps, and so on.

    However, there's a reason why black people swung heavily to Roosevelt and the Democratic Party in 1936, where they have stayed ever since.  The reason for this switch is that Roosevelt gave black people jobs through WPA and they got direct federal relief which they had never gotten before.  So for all of Roosevelt's shortcomings in the area of civil rights, the fact is that he still gave black folks a tremendous amount of assistance which is why they repaid the favor by flocking to him and his party.  

    "In the long run, Americans will always do the right thing — after exploring all other alternatives." - Winston Churchill

    by puakev on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 02:40:37 PM PDT

  •  Well I took the poll first but I knew to choose (6+ / 0-)

    differently than I'd be inclined.

    I remember reading some things FDR said that were a lot worse than anti Semitic. I was flabbergasted, I guess it was the times they lived in, or maybe that's just how he was.

    "Don't fall or we both go." Derek Hersey 1957-1993

    by ban nock on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 02:44:41 PM PDT

  •  Actually Hitler DID snub... (10+ / 0-)

    a black American athlete. It just wasn't Owens:

    Hitler did snub a black American athlete, but it was Cornelius Johnson, not Jesse Owens. It happened the first day of the meet. Just before Johnson was to be decorated, Hitler left the stadium. A Nazi spokesman explained that Hitler's exit had been pre-scheduled, but no one believes that.

    Just another faggity fag socialist fuckstick homosinner!

    by Ian S on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 02:46:01 PM PDT

  •  I support FDR (1+ / 0-)
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    And the compromises that he made with Southern Democrats on race that were necessary to enable the New Deal.

    •  This is likely true (1+ / 0-)
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      Unfortunately, FDR probably could have done more but chose not to. He was personally a racist, as well and was fond of telling racist jokes and stories. The New Deal was some of the best economic legislation this country has ever seen. Democrats of today would do well to emulate it. But that doesn't change the fact that FDR held inexcusable views on race. I think that's why Eleanor Roosevelt was so strongly for racial equality.

  •  Did Roosevelt invite any 1936 Olympians (2+ / 0-)
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    to the White House?

    "To pass these defendants a poisoned chalice is to put it to our own lips as well." Justice Robert Jackson, Chief Prosecutor, Nuremberg.

    by Wayward Son on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 02:54:50 PM PDT

    •  I did find an interesting "source" of the article (0+ / 0-)

      Perhaps?

      Kevin DuJan's column, on Aug. 4

      A choice comment left out..

      Republicans:  Not as evil as you think.

      Democrats: Give a big F-U to blacks whenever they can get away with it.

      Not that you’ll ever hear the media talk about any of this.

      Of course not.

      "To pass these defendants a poisoned chalice is to put it to our own lips as well." Justice Robert Jackson, Chief Prosecutor, Nuremberg.

      by Wayward Son on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 02:59:35 PM PDT

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    •  He did, just not the Black ones (7+ / 0-)

      http://en.wikipedia.org/...

      After the 1936 Berlin Olympics, the white American athletes were invited to meet Roosevelt. No such invitation was made to the black athletes including even Jesse Owens, who had won four gold medals. A widely believed myth about the 1936 games was that Hitler had snubbed Owens, something which never happened. Jesse Owens later said “Hitler didn't snub me—it was [FDR] who snubbed me. The president didn't even send me a telegram.” - quoted in Triumph, a book about the 1936 Olympics by Jeremy Schaap

      "I honor the place in you where Spirit lives I honor the place in you which is of Love, of Truth, of Light, of Peace, when you are in that place in you, and I am in that place in me, then we are One." Namaste friends!

      by Adept2u on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 03:00:01 PM PDT

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      •  Sorry, that Wikipedia is sourceless. (3+ / 0-)
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        If it doesn't have a superscripted reference, it's just something someone wrote.  

        Can you find supporting documentation that other athletes visited the White House that year?

        "To pass these defendants a poisoned chalice is to put it to our own lips as well." Justice Robert Jackson, Chief Prosecutor, Nuremberg.

        by Wayward Son on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 03:18:39 PM PDT

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        •  Not interested (4+ / 0-)

          That is not a quiet story, I think if you need further confirmation you're going to have to seek it yourself.

          "I honor the place in you where Spirit lives I honor the place in you which is of Love, of Truth, of Light, of Peace, when you are in that place in you, and I am in that place in me, then we are One." Namaste friends!

          by Adept2u on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 03:24:15 PM PDT

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          •  See, if you wanted in intelligent factual diary (0+ / 0-)

            ..you'd care.

            You'd research the question, and if you couldn't find any supporting information, you would write..

            "Owens reported being snubbed by Roosevelt, but there's no evidence he ever invited any of the athletes from the 1936 Olympics to Washington, beyond an unsourced Wikipedia entry.  I welcome any help finding proof of Owens' statement, but for now we have to conclude that Roosevelt did not snub Owens any more than he snubbed other athletes from that year."

            That's called being a responsible diarist interested in facts.  Doing anything else.. means something else.

            "To pass these defendants a poisoned chalice is to put it to our own lips as well." Justice Robert Jackson, Chief Prosecutor, Nuremberg.

            by Wayward Son on Sun Aug 14, 2011 at 12:40:56 PM PDT

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        •  See my post above from the U.K. Daily Mail. (4+ / 0-)
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          lordcopper, Adept2u, sberel, evergreen2

          It has quotes, pictures and detail.

          Get over it.  Jessie Owens was treated like crap by his own country.  That is a fact.  

          •  Not even close. (0+ / 0-)

            I asked for a source that showed other athletes were invited to the White House.

            I'm still waiting.

            It's a simple request, and shouldn't be that hard to find.

            "To pass these defendants a poisoned chalice is to put it to our own lips as well." Justice Robert Jackson, Chief Prosecutor, Nuremberg.

            by Wayward Son on Sun Aug 14, 2011 at 12:33:23 PM PDT

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  •  That would be Adolf (2+ / 0-)
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    not Adolph.

    Hard to believe someone could make that mistake.

  •  Hitler snubbed Jessie Owens and all Black (7+ / 0-)

    athletes. He thought they should be excluded from future games. He refused to shake Jesse Owens hand.

    On the first day, Hitler shook hands only with the German victors and then left the stadium. Olympic committee officials insisted Hitler greet every medalist or none at all. Hitler opted for the latter and skipped all further medal presentations.[9][10].
    Wiki
    Each of the German victories, and there were a surprising number of these, made him happy, but he was highly annoyed by the series of triumphs by the marvelous colored American runner, Jesse Owens. People whose antecedents came from the jungle were primitive, Hitler said with a shrug; their physiques were stronger than those of civilized whites and hence should be excluded from future games
    Wiki

    This above all: to thine own self be true...-WS

    by Agathena on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 03:02:57 PM PDT

    •  True and false (5+ / 0-)

      True he did think Black people sub human and unfit to compete with white people, false he refused to shake his hand.

      In August 2009, the London Daily Telegraph found a German sports reporter, Siegfried Mischner then aged 83, who claimed that Owens had shown him a photograph of Hitler shaking his hand after the 100 meters event, behind the stadium's honor stand. There is no independent confirmation of this

      Now there are people who say Owens confirms this, but did not want to give Hitler any positive spin.

      "I honor the place in you where Spirit lives I honor the place in you which is of Love, of Truth, of Light, of Peace, when you are in that place in you, and I am in that place in me, then we are One." Namaste friends!

      by Adept2u on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 03:07:05 PM PDT

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      •  Key words, Mischner’s claims cannot be verified. (4+ / 0-)
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        Mischner’s claims cannot be verified because all other witnesses, including Owens, are dead. From the same dailymail article

        Owens said he thought Hitler waved at him at one point. But he never corroborated Mischner's story before his death from lung cancer in 1980, at the age of 66.

        With no confirmation, how can you claim it is false? Just the word of one "sports reporter" who waited over half a century to come forward. Also the dailymail is a tabloid magazine.

        "You have to understand Neo, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged, and many of them are so inert, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it." Morpheus - The Matrix

        by pot on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 03:27:16 PM PDT

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        •  You missed the part (3+ / 0-)
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          Where I said there was conversation of Owens having said it himself.  You missed the part where he stated he didn't want to upset the conventional wisdom for not wanting to glamorize Hitler.

          "I honor the place in you where Spirit lives I honor the place in you which is of Love, of Truth, of Light, of Peace, when you are in that place in you, and I am in that place in me, then we are One." Namaste friends!

          by Adept2u on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 03:29:32 PM PDT

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          •  I also missed the part where you provided (3+ / 0-)
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            proof of any of those claims.

            "You have to understand Neo, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged, and many of them are so inert, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it." Morpheus - The Matrix

            by pot on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 03:31:44 PM PDT

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            •  LOL (1+ / 0-)
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              You folks slay me!

              How about this and please take this right to your heart.

              I DONT GIVE A FUCKETY FUCK WHAT YOU BELIEVE!!!!!

              I don't have to prove a thing to you and don't give a damn if you shit or have a Coca Cola.

              "I honor the place in you where Spirit lives I honor the place in you which is of Love, of Truth, of Light, of Peace, when you are in that place in you, and I am in that place in me, then we are One." Namaste friends!

              by Adept2u on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 03:33:14 PM PDT

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              •  LOL (5+ / 0-)

                You slay me.

                You provided no proof of "Owens having said it himself". Again, your own quote said there is no independent confirmation of this yet you peddle this as it is some well known accepted truth in your misguided quest to bash FDR.

                Again we only have the word of a British TABLOID magazine from a German reporter who conveniently comes forward with this info 60 years after the fact when every single supposed witness is dead with ZERO PROOF. But that doesn't matter to the FDR bashers, even Hitler will be used to bash FDR here. Unbelievable. And not to mention after searching google for this tons of neonazi websites come up. Sickening to know neonazis also use this story to prove Hitler wasn't as mean to black people as everyone thought he was.

                I do notice some people will bash ANYONE to deflect from Obama. Now people have resorted to peddling favorite neonazi Hitler propaganda to show how FDR was worse then Hitler when it came to blacks! This is fucking laughable. When someone has to bring up Hitler they've already lost the argument aka Godwins Law.

                "You have to understand Neo, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged, and many of them are so inert, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it." Morpheus - The Matrix

                by pot on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 03:45:53 PM PDT

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              •  I actually do both. (1+ / 0-)
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                I don't have to prove a thing to you and don't give a damn if you shit or have a Coca Cola.

                (Sorry, couldn't resist ;)

                Obama still has time to announce he's not running for a second term. THEN we could have a productive and meaningful Democratic Primary. We desperately need that.

                by gooderservice on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 05:22:15 PM PDT

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            •  If you've got a Nexus/Lexus subscription (1+ / 0-)
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              I can use for a bit then I'll go do the research.  Short of that I've no way to verify these things other than what's been written and is available.

              I refuse to represent my political beliefs using numbers. It isn't accurate, nor is it helpful. But I'm around a -10 on both scales.

              by AoT on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 04:22:32 PM PDT

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      •  Oh yes, those unconfirmed reports... (3+ / 0-)
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        This above all: to thine own self be true...-WS

        by Agathena on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 05:02:19 PM PDT

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  •  I imagine Hitler... (1+ / 0-)
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    ... would have been less kind to Owens had Owens been born German citizen.

    No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible.

    by Magster on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 03:08:44 PM PDT

  •  So FDR Was Better to a Black Person. Point Taken. (5+ / 0-)

    To see how President Obama's policies will affect black PEOPLE we'll need to analyze more than one of them.

    For the American people overall, Presidents have been leaving them with less opportunity and protections, and the rich and business with more, for decades.

    If Mr. Obama can break that pattern he's going to be in very rare company.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 03:10:12 PM PDT

    •  I think we should listen to African-Americans. (6+ / 0-)

      I think we should listen to all communities of color. The real question is why does he remain wildly popular in these communities despite the efforts of the DK Left, and a few elites and has-beens that the DK left love to pretend are within the mainstream of the communities they claim to be concerned about?

      That question needs to be dealt with, not dismissed or diminished, if there is going to be a real Progressive Movement, that is people-powered and believes in change from the bottom up.

      "There is nothing more dreadful than the habit of doubt. Doubt separates people. It is a poison that disintegrates friendships and breaks up pleasant relations. It is a thorn that irritates and hurts; it is a sword that kills.".. Buddha

      by sebastianguy99 on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 03:46:13 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  FDR's Keynesean economic policies (6+ / 0-)

    ..have, over time, helped more people of color and more poor people than the policies of corporate fascists like Hitler.

    And I'm pretty sure you know this.

    So I'm not sure what you're meaning to do with this besides inflame and confuse people.

    Are you really suggesting we reject Keynesean economics because you're mad that FDR snubbed Jessie Owens?

    If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people. --Tony Benn

    by rhetoricus on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 03:16:35 PM PDT

    •  No actually I placed in plain english (8+ / 0-)

      My goals and none of them discussed Keynesian economics.

      I actually only suggested that you not pick my heroes.  I said that in the diary.  I have other concerns outside of Keynesian economics that are more fundamental.  Inflame?  That is the silliest accusation i think I've ever heard, what is inflaming about history is that why we keep having to repeat it.  Is that why a Black man even as President can't be respected?  Well pardner those days are going to be ending and right soon.

      "I honor the place in you where Spirit lives I honor the place in you which is of Love, of Truth, of Light, of Peace, when you are in that place in you, and I am in that place in me, then we are One." Namaste friends!

      by Adept2u on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 03:21:48 PM PDT

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      •  A bunch of strawmen (2+ / 0-)
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        Can you at least provide a link to someone telling you who your heroes should be, in those words?

        You know damn well that people are referring to FDR's economic policies when they refer to his impact on people of color. Nobody gives a shit if you liked FDR the person. FDR was an A-1 douchebag for all kinds of other reasons--his internment of the Japanese, his treatment of gay people, etc. People want to preserve the legacy his economic policies, not his social policies.

        From his past comments, I think Obama would be the first to disagree with you that the left's critique of him is somehow primarily about race. Obama beat Hillary because the left is sick of Clintonian (GOP-lite) economics, and the left thinks Obama did a bait-and-switch.

        Even the GOP--they use racism as a tactic to the yokels, but they'd all elect Allen West in a heartbeat. They'd use sexism as a tactic if Hillary were president, but they'd elect Palin in a heartbeat. For the GOP, it's all about the cash and the power. For the left, it's about the unions and Keynes.

        The left is afraid Obama isn't a Keynesean because he won't bluster and embark on Quixotic left-wing crusades that won't pass Congress.  They want a Van Jones.

        I think the left doesn't appreciate that Obama can't just Jimmy Carter or JFK (or economically FDR) his way through his presidency and get anything accomplished, let alone be safe, let alone elected again. He's up against the banks, the GOP media, the MIC, and he's got to use some finesse, and keep his enemies closer. I think he's doing an amazing job in a terrifying time.

        If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people. --Tony Benn

        by rhetoricus on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 04:00:09 PM PDT

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        •  You people don't know what a strawman is do you (3+ / 0-)
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          I'm not making your argument for you, if anything you did that with all that Keynsian bullshit.  Oh and by the way maybe my next diary needs to be on how all that beautiful new deal bullshit was written to for the greatest extent possible exclude Black people, maybe I'll talk about those FHA loans that went 97% to white people, maybe i'll talk about the social security that was written to exclude vocations held by black people.  Fuck you and that legacy of economic greatness we never had it and we still don't.  You leftist are dumber than a box of rocks with that bullshit and you know what your blah blah blah is way beyond boring repetitious and innane.  This President is battling Klansmen on the Right and dumb assed progressives on the left if this country survives both you idiots we're luckier than we deserve to be.

          "I honor the place in you where Spirit lives I honor the place in you which is of Love, of Truth, of Light, of Peace, when you are in that place in you, and I am in that place in me, then we are One." Namaste friends!

          by Adept2u on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 04:39:13 PM PDT

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          •  "You people"? (2+ / 0-)
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            Seriously?

            Yes, with Keynes you saw a generally smart general economic philosophy  (tax the rich, spend on infrastructure, make it easy to reach the middle class, harder to leave it) butted up against a still-very-racist social policy and network. This is not Keynes' fault.

            There is nothing racist about Keynes' economic philosophy, but there have been unequal and unjust applications of it in the US, for certain, because the country itself was still very unjust in its treatment of people of color. More right-wing economics are much, much more racist and unjust in their playing out.

            When people think of Keynes, they think of left-leaning Keynes vs. right-leaning Friedman, which has promoted fascism and preyed viciously upon people of color, in this country and the world over. They aren't thinking Keynes vs. a society-entirely-free-of-racism. (Perhaps you can point an example of this out to me.)

            The left's critiques of Obama are his Friedmanist-seeming tendencies. Perhaps you can share how Friedmanist policies have treated people of color better?

            If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people. --Tony Benn

            by rhetoricus on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 05:07:09 PM PDT

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            •  Yes you people (4+ / 0-)
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              Playing reverse the race with memes will only work after Black people have held you down in fierce and brutal oppression for 300 years.  As I stated in my first comment to you, this diary wasn't about Keynes, I could give an entire rats ass about Keynes and at this point not caring too much about the entire country, so put that in your Keynes and smoke it.

              "I honor the place in you where Spirit lives I honor the place in you which is of Love, of Truth, of Light, of Peace, when you are in that place in you, and I am in that place in me, then we are One." Namaste friends!

              by Adept2u on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 05:09:06 PM PDT

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              •  Reverse the race? (1+ / 0-)
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                Are you even talking to me?

                If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people. --Tony Benn

                by rhetoricus on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 05:15:44 PM PDT

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                •  Yes (2+ / 0-)
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                  You appeared to take offense at being refered to as you people as if it carried the same weight as when a white person says it to Black ones, that's playing reverse the race and it doesn't work.

                  "I honor the place in you where Spirit lives I honor the place in you which is of Love, of Truth, of Light, of Peace, when you are in that place in you, and I am in that place in me, then we are One." Namaste friends!

                  by Adept2u on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 05:22:09 PM PDT

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                  •  Oh, no (2+ / 0-)
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                    I'd never in a million years suggest it carries the same weight as a white person saying to a Black person. But it's still a thoroughly obnoxious thing to say.

                    By the way, it's not just white people saying it to Black people. It's straight people saying it to gay people. It's rich people saying it to poor people. It's citizens of all colors saying it to non-citizens. It's the abled saying it to the disabled. It's the cisgendered to the trans. It's WASPs saying it to Jewish people. It's conservatives saying it to liberals.

                    How many times have you been physically assaulted because of the nondominant cultural position you occupy? I don't want to play oppress-off, but I will advise you to check your assumptions that I have no clue what oppression feels like, and I'm not even factoring in the centuries "my people" have suffered (as though it were all my personal suffering), like you have.

                    The reason it's obnoxious, is you don't know the first thing about me. You assume I am not Black (true), but that's all you know. You don't know what subjectivities in the culture I occupy, and their power relations relative to yours. You may say you don't care, but you still expect people to care about yours.

                    Respect starts with giving it.

                    You embarked on a rant about FDR, but wanted to excise out the very REASON the left looks to him, and ignore any exploration of it.

                    Fine, but ask yourself what your objective really is.

                    Oh and yeah, I do know what a straw man is. It's accusing an opponent of occupying a position, and then arguing against it, without showing that s/he ever actually held such a position.

                    And you still haven't, which is why I asked for a link.

                    If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people. --Tony Benn

                    by rhetoricus on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 05:46:52 PM PDT

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                    •  Assaulted? (4+ / 0-)
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                      WTF I had to turn 40 before the police would quit fucking with me I was assaulted all the live long day, if you mean physically not so much unless you count the times I got proned out.   I'm not a small or unimposing person.  I did not rant about FDR I told the stone truth about him and asked people not to be so bold as to choose others heroes.  The lesson I'm trying to give is other people think about historic figures differently.  I've linked all the assertions in this diary that require it, and I'm far beyond caring to have my feelings ratified around here.

                      "I honor the place in you where Spirit lives I honor the place in you which is of Love, of Truth, of Light, of Peace, when you are in that place in you, and I am in that place in me, then we are One." Namaste friends!

                      by Adept2u on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 05:51:37 PM PDT

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                      •  Ok. (2+ / 0-)
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                        " I did not rant about FDR I told the stone truth about him and asked people not to be so bold as to choose others heroes.  The lesson I'm trying to give is other people think about historic figures differently. "

                        I can really appreciate this message. Sorry I got defensive before looking carefully at what you were trying to say.

                        Yes, I've been choked unconscious, beaten, sexually assaulted, and harassed at work, all by strangers or near-strangers, just because of who/what they see.

                        But not by cops--that's fucking horrible. And a betrayal at many levels.

                        If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people. --Tony Benn

                        by rhetoricus on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 06:09:15 PM PDT

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      •  FDR is a deeply flawed hero (2+ / 0-)
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        He's a hero for fighting the Depression and the Second World War. He's deeply flawed for his personal racist views and policies. In terms of economic policy, he's one of the best US Presidents. But, he left civil rights advances to future generations. He held views that were not only incredibly racist by modern standards, but were racist by 1940s standards (such as making a crack about the HAITIAN AMBASSADOR, by saying what a fine specimen he'd make in a New Orleans slave market). So, yeah, I wish Obama would be more like FDR on economics. I'll criticize Obama when I feel he's too centrist on economics and not doing enough to insure economic recovery and his own re-election. That doesn't make FDR's racism okay.

  •  Don't forget the nukes! (8+ / 0-)

    The Manhattan Project ended one war and began a threat that is still with us today.

    "There is nothing more dreadful than the habit of doubt. Doubt separates people. It is a poison that disintegrates friendships and breaks up pleasant relations. It is a thorn that irritates and hurts; it is a sword that kills.".. Buddha

    by sebastianguy99 on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 03:34:35 PM PDT

    •  Don't forget the concentration camps FDR (4+ / 0-)
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      created for Japanese Americans.

      Let's face it. This tit for tat shit gets us no where because there isn't a single president since this country was founded that has an unblemished record in some area during his term.

      I can just about forgive the Brits for starting our revolutionary war and burning DC to the ground during the war of 1812 for giving us Led Zeppelin.

      by Pager on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 05:11:37 PM PDT

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  •  i grew up playing tennis at the Jesse Owens (1+ / 0-)
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    West Athletic center on The Ohio State University campus.

  •  Propping Hitler to make FDR look bad. (8+ / 0-)

    Pretty sad, and to what end?

    Does the answer really turn on a snub, as if nothing else matters?  

    Wish life was really that simple.

    Hope you understand what I said, but if not, it may not be my inarticulation, but your predisposition.

    by citizen53 on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 04:10:35 PM PDT

    •  ignoring slavery to save the union (3+ / 0-)
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      Life isn't that simple at all it's incredibly complex.  This diary was in answer to who was better for me in comparison Barack Obama or FDR.  Next time you might be inclined to tell a Black person FDR know he thinks about that kind of thing.

      "I honor the place in you where Spirit lives I honor the place in you which is of Love, of Truth, of Light, of Peace, when you are in that place in you, and I am in that place in me, then we are One." Namaste friends!

      by Adept2u on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 04:34:31 PM PDT

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      •  Were you alive when FDR was President? (2+ / 0-)
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        Or is this just a projection of your anger at the other comment?

        I am not telling you how to think, but questioning your thinking, which I find off the wall in this matter.

        In other words, you laud Hitler because he did not make a snub, as if that is all that matters.  Yeah, he was more efficient than FDR, or Obama, too!  Props to Adolf!  

        Do you think that the snub you mentioned is the main criterion for your conclusion?

        And how, pray tell, do you get to the implication that FDR ignored slavery?  That seems to be so from the subject line of your comment.

        Hope you understand what I said, but if not, it may not be my inarticulation, but your predisposition.

        by citizen53 on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 05:08:09 PM PDT

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        •  Really? Where is he lauded. (2+ / 0-)
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          I'd like to see. Perhaps a relevant quote from the diary.

          I'm finding a lot of things funny lately. But I don't think they are. -- Ripley

          by tytalus on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 05:14:14 PM PDT

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          •  In the context of the diary... (1+ / 0-)
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            citing Hitler in a positive light in comparison to FDR, may be considered lauding, as to praise Hitler because he did not snub Owens, as if that proves that this alone is what determines how the policies of Obama or FDR affects or affected blacks overall..

            Hope you understand what I said, but if not, it may not be my inarticulation, but your predisposition.

            by citizen53 on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 06:33:41 PM PDT

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        •  No it's easy for great leaders (3+ / 0-)
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          To have their racism ignored.  There are 3 comments around here discussing Hitler and how the hell is he lauded?  I believe the problem lies in the fact that this is a stark and true comparison of the racial aspects America has never had to come to grips with.  It's a fact that long after Nazi Germany was destroyed and the German people making ammends this country was electing Klansmen to congress.

          This diary is exactly what I said it was something I'm going to link to whenever some white person has the audacity to tell me that FDR was a better President for me than Barack Obama, I'm going to link this diary and say no Barack Obama let's Black folks in the White house.

          "I honor the place in you where Spirit lives I honor the place in you which is of Love, of Truth, of Light, of Peace, when you are in that place in you, and I am in that place in me, then we are One." Namaste friends!

          by Adept2u on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 05:20:17 PM PDT

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          •  See my comment above. (1+ / 0-)
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            You may want to dump on FDR all you like.  The whole country could and can be considered racist.  But the comparison you made, the ONLY comparison, as if that determines the matter, falls way short as I see it.  As such, I voiced what I think, no less than you.

            You still have not answered my questions, but it's not necessary.  I'll reiterate that Hitler the fascist dictator and mass murderer certainly was more efficient.  Should we use that comparison to show that FDR and/or Obama are inefficient?

            Not to mention that someone showed that Hitler snubbed others, just not Owens, which kind of negates the very point you were making, since you focused solely on the snub.  

            Hope you understand what I said, but if not, it may not be my inarticulation, but your predisposition.

            by citizen53 on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 06:44:08 PM PDT

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  •  FDR was probably busy (1+ / 0-)
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    with the depression and re-election and stuff, I'd like to know if any of the other athletes merited his attention before passing judgement....

    "Fascism is attracting the dregs of humanity- people with a slovenly biography - sadists, mental freaks, traitors." - ILYA EHRENBURG

    by durrati on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 04:24:43 PM PDT

  •  90% tax rates, sending the Natl Guard to Ark. (5+ / 0-)

    That Eisenhower was one of best liberal presidents we've ever had.

    But if you want to have real fun, remind a conservative that Reagan gave amnesty to illegal aliens and started the Earned Income Tax Credit.

    •  Congratulations!!!!! (4+ / 0-)
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      You are the first person in all these comments to mention Eisenhower.  Warned of the military industrial complex too.  It's truly interesting to me how you're the first to mention that connection, why there was a President that honored Owens, why look it was Ike, now I feel if I do a diary on Ed Brooke people will have a heart attack.

      "I honor the place in you where Spirit lives I honor the place in you which is of Love, of Truth, of Light, of Peace, when you are in that place in you, and I am in that place in me, then we are One." Namaste friends!

      by Adept2u on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 05:34:09 PM PDT

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      •  Glad to be of service (4+ / 0-)
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        When you live in the 801, you learn a lot about Republicans whether you want to or not.

        No one on this site seems to acknowlege this, but Republicans are a very diverse bunch.  

        "All Republicans are vile racists who believe that Adam and Eve rode dinosaurs to church" is going to lead to elections results like the 1984 presidental election and 1994 and 2010 congressional elections.

        •  They were a diverse bunch (2+ / 0-)
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          Moderate and liberal Republicans went the way of the dodo 15-20 years ago. There are still a few here and there, I suppose, but they have no meaningful influence on party policy. The old Dixiecrats and their heirs are now the core of the Republican Party.

      •  Eisenhower was no hero on civil rights (2+ / 0-)
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        He only sent in the National Guard when the Federal Government was openly defied. He really had no choice. Eisenhower promised Southern Senators that he'd get the "mildest possible Civil Rights bill" passed, which was the mostly toothless 1957 Civil Rights act.

  •  From The Ohio Statehouse Museum... (4+ / 0-)
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    Adept2u, bos1024, sberel, evergreen2

    .... history of Jesse Owens:

    Owens was cheered enthusiastically by 110,000 people in Berlin's Olympic Stadium; on the street, Germans sought his autograph. Owens was allowed to travel with and stay in the same hotels as whites, while at the time blacks in many parts of the United States were denied equal rights. After a New York City ticker-tape parade of Fifth Avenue in his honor, Owens had to ride the freight elevator at the Waldorf-Astoria to reach the reception honoring him.

    Owens said, "Hitler didn't snub me—it was FDR who snubbed me. The president didn't even send me a telegram." Jesse Owens was never invited to the White House nor bestowed honors by presidents Franklin D. Roosevelt (FDR) or his successor Harry S. Truman during their terms. In 1955, President Dwight D. Eisenhower honored Owens by naming him an "Ambassador of Sports."

    Here is the link to the Statehouse Museum's article on Jesse Owens:

    History of Jesse Owens

  •  It's no secret that FDR was a racist (4+ / 0-)
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    It's also no secret that his economic approach was a better approach to an economic crisis than Obama's.

  •  Sammy Lee (3+ / 0-)
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    I don't think that 1948 and 1952 Olympic diving medalist Sammy Lee, a Korean-American, was invited to the White House either.

  •  It's true. Republicans *will* go to any (2+ / 0-)
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    length to tear down FDR.

    Mayan culture was strong enough to save the Mayan people from Mayan civilization.

    by JesseCW on Sat Aug 13, 2011 at 09:28:32 PM PDT

  •  I understand your point (3+ / 0-)
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    His middle name, Roosevelt, was after President Roosevelt who had died just 25 days before Jackie was born.
    Jackie briefly played professional basketball.
    His brother, Mack Robinson, won the Silver Medal in the 1936 Olympics in the 200m sprint. He finished just behind Jesse Owens.

     The Robinson family obviously did not feel snubbed.

     But that really does not exempt the point your diary puts forward upon the prominent racism of that era.

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