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As I contemplated Bachmann's strong showing in the Iowa Meth Poll drives out T-Paw, an intriguing possibility occurred to me:  We might see a bizarre revisiting of the toxic dynamic between Hillary and Obama supporters but on the GOP side this time.  More after the jump. . .

I apologize if others have already diaried on this--I didn't see anything when I checked.  In any case, it seems pretty clear that Bachmann is here to stay for the rest of the GOP Circus.  While her election would be an apocalypse in the secular version of the Dominionist sense of the word, I still have faith that that is simply impossible.  So I think her presence helps us, not only because it shows how radical and reality-challenged the GOP has become.  I also think it might trigger an ugly pie-fight within the Republican party that will be akin in some ways to the Obama-Hillary contest, refracted through the Bizarro World partriarchy of the GOP (not that sexism was absent from the Obama-Hillary fight!).  

What I'm imagining is some Bachmann supporters beginning to make this explicitly about gender, trying to co-op feminist arguments but, because their own positions make this a no-go, having to garb it in various sorts of code, perhaps tied to her role as Supermom of 23 kids who "submits" to her husband (that just means she respects him, remember).  Then there will be all the awkward attempts at push-back from Perry, and perhaps Mittens, and, no doubt, the unwitting chauvinism of how they treat her.  For our side, this is much better than the poisonous discourse around Palin in '08, since that was something that the Right could try to use as a tool against us--she only appeared once the general election was on.  

Of course, the whole spectacle, if my gut is right on this, will be depressing from one view, since it will reveal just how many of our fellow Americans are mired in sexist worldviews, and what sway they continue to have over our political system and society at large.  And I imagine there will be attacks on Bachmann from those beyond the GOP that will be unjustly motivated by misogyny.  Still and all, I think it will also ultimately help those arrayed against these dark forces by exposing the GOP for what it is and by forcing them to expend energy and money in an expensive and damaging fight.  

What do you all think?

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  •  Interesting question. (2+ / 0-)
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    snewman, cassandracarolina

    There's certainly a possibility that a similar dynamic could come into play, though it would vary in interesting ways (and ways that we probably can't predict right now) based on the differences in how Democrats and Republicans deal with gender relations.

    One thing that we already know will happen is that national journalists will filter all criticism of Bachmann through the lens of "let's make sure this isn't sexist," which will result in her being treated with kid gloves (see esp: David Gregory this morning).

    With every goddess a let down, every idol a bring down, it gets you down / but the search for perfection, your own predilection, goes on and on and on. . .

    by cardinal on Sun Aug 14, 2011 at 08:05:10 AM PDT

    •  agreed (1+ / 0-)
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      cardinal

      That's a good point, Cardinal.  In the idiotic world of the MSM, the sexual anatomy of a particular candidate can trump the actual worldview that informs her misogynistic positions.  We certainly saw that with Palin.  

  •  Bachmann will tank in the Iowa caucuses, I think (2+ / 0-)
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    snewman, cassandracarolina

    Dominionists cannot prefer her over Perry, as a matter of principle, and anti-Dominionists can't support her. I'm guessing 15% of women, 2% of men.

    Can she recover in NH and SC?

    •  perhaps (2+ / 0-)
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      Clem Yeobright, Byblis

      You may well be right, Clem.  But I wonder if we might not see a common phenomenon where people's multiple desires conflict with their stated beliefs in unpredictable ways.  Imagine that some Republican women, Dominionists or not, allow their disgust at the misogyny of their own party, however conscious or not they are of it, and/or their sympathy and admiration for Bachmann to overcome either their Dominionist orthodoxy or revulsion for Dominionism?  Then we also don't know how things will shake out once Perry is vetted by the Right--for instance his 'enlightened' polcies on immigration.  

      It may just be a wishful hope on my part, but I'm not giving up on it just yet. . .

  •  I actually think it would be good for Mitt. (1+ / 0-)
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    snewman

    Splitting the loon vote has to help him.

    Ideology is an excuse to ignore common sense.

    by Bush Bites on Sun Aug 14, 2011 at 09:19:35 AM PDT

    •  He pretty much has the non-loon (3+ / 0-)
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      snewman, crystalboy, Clem Yeobright

      vote all to himself (Huntsman is liked by the country-club GOP, but they sense he has no chance). The moneyed elite in the GOP (including some of my friends), are aghast at the field this time around. They don't love Romney, because of his flip-flops and general weaselness, but he is their only choice. If any of the loony ones takes the nomination, watch as the country clubbers stay home (with their votes and their wallets). They hate Obama (for some reason), but they also think that the pro-default crowd is worse.

      I'm in the I-fucking-love-this-guy wing of the Democratic Party!

      by doc2 on Sun Aug 14, 2011 at 09:32:13 AM PDT

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  •  I predict... (0+ / 0-)

    that Perry and Bachmann split the religious right vote and Romney gets the nomination.

  •  Potentially I think the Republicans' (1+ / 0-)
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    crystalboy

    coalition can be splintered several different ways.

    Certainly they have made their divisions clear.

    Their self-inflicted wounds will be more grievous than most of us could do to them.

    Highlighting their misogyny and making sure they divide based upon whom more represents the past than the future should help.

    Many voters care about policy, but think we understand personalities even better. Just like lower information voters, politicians may find a personal slight significantly out of proportion to its actual meaning ("Bubba didn't let me have one of the better seats on Air Force One? I'm shutting down the government" thought a once upon a time Speaker of the House).

    When politicians invite people to support them because of who they are rather than what they will do they also make it more likely that those voters will personally identify with any insults the leaders may suffer, This can cut many different ways and might get out of control.

    I neither know nor care about policy differences between Perry and Bachmann, it is important to notice that as the degree of disagreement diminishes every subtle variance becomes even more vital to each side--again any sense of perspective or proportion is not only lost but often actively ignored. This can pay off for us in more than one way. First, the intraparty battling will distract them and create the obvious divisions. In the recklessness of the primary campaign the GOP will paint itself into opposing corners. Then, in the general election campaign some of these wounds may productively be reexamined, either by the president or by independent groups. It sounds crass, but I'm looking forward to exploiting some of these "issues."

    We don't need to endorse any of the DittoNazis philosophy in order to use it against them. In a better world we could have substantive policy-based campaigns. Until they want that world as much as we do we might have to beat them by playing by their rules.

    An optimist may see a light where there is none, but why must the pessimist always run to blow it out? Rene Descartes

    by Had Enough Right Wing BS on Sun Aug 14, 2011 at 09:43:46 AM PDT

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