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These programs actually weakened us as a people. You see, almost forever, it was institutions in society that assumed the role of taking care of one another. If someone was sick in your family, you took care of them. If a neighbor met misfortune, you took care of them. You saved for your retirement and your future because you had to. We took these things upon ourselves in our communities, our families, and our homes, and our churches and our synagogues. But all that changed when the government began to assume those responsibilities. All of a sudden, for an increasing number of people in our nation, it was no longer necessary to worry about saving for security because that was the government’s job.

Yeah, exactly. And if Marco Rubio's grandfather had known about those programs, and how they were weakening us as a people, he'd never have fled to America from Fidel Castro's Cuba. Or at least he'd have waited until we had a president wise enough to understand that an America without sick and poor seniors is a weak America. A president like Rick Perry.

Originally posted to The Jed Report on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 02:24 PM PDT.

Also republished by Social Security Defenders and Daily Kos.

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    •  Amazing (10+ / 0-)

      According to OpenSecrets.org, in addition to his $174,000 salary as a United States Senator, in 2009 Rubio earned $436,758 in outside income.  This amount would not include any income earned by his spouse or other members of his family.  In 2009, median family income in Rubio's home state, Florida, was $45,468.  The bottom line is that Rubio's individual income in 2009 was 14 TIMES greater than the median family income in the state he represents.  (It's worth noting that it terms of net worth, Rubio is actually one of the least wealthy members of the Senate, which of course has many millionaires and mulit-millionaires within its ranks)  Given how far Rubio is from the economic reality of tens of millions of Americans struggling to keep their head above water, one has to be amazed at the nerve it must take for someone like Senator Rubio to lecture these Americans on weakness.  Before making his judgement on the working class in America, I would suggest that Rubio should give up his six-figure income and take a minimum wage job for a few years.  I would be interested to hear what his take on Social Security and Medicare would be then.  Right now, Marco Rubio is just another out of touch politician who is speaking for the moneyed interests that have bought and paid for him.

      These Republican gluttons of priviledge are cold men ... They want a return of the Wall Street economic dictatorship -- Harry Truman

      by Laborguy on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 04:35:44 PM PDT

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    •  Wadda fucking asshole! (1+ / 0-)
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      An idea, to be suggestive, must come to the individual with the force of revelation. William James

      by agincour on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 05:44:38 PM PDT

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    •  Bat-shit crazy!!! (0+ / 0-)

      This little uneducated clown is living in a fairytale world.  Some FL newspaper should run an investigative series of articles about how Floridians were so much better off before the government undertook to address elderly poverty.

      If Claude Pepper were alive today, he would smack this liitle asshole up the side of the head and tell him he was the dumbest Senator in Florida's history.

      "Never let up. Crush bigotry and greed."

      by LouisMartin on Thu Aug 25, 2011 at 11:21:20 AM PDT

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  •  Yeah, (27+ / 0-)

    he'd be a great VP choice. Perry-Rubio, that'll be a real popular ticket. "Vote for us and we'll end Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid"......

    The repubs are doomed in the long term.

    "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him." - Jonathan Swift

    by American Zapatista on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 02:26:40 PM PDT

  •  taken in by your family (35+ / 0-)

    or starved alone and miserable.   Rubio wasn't around for the Great Depression, he has no idea that elderly people were mostly poor, having lived through the growth of unregulated capitalism and exploitation by robber barons on wages that couldn't support a family and savings.   Kind of like today, except for all those taxes, yep, taxes paid in for one's handout from the government.

    Asshole.

    •  The elderly suffered terribly (12+ / 0-)

      Before Social Security and many were choosing between food and medical care (any, even the most  basic care) before Medicare.

      Really, the GOP plan is to "cull the herd" of the weak by withdrawing support and having people die sooner rather than later.  They really, fundamentally, don't like most  people.  

      It has also occurred to me that it is a dumb idea for Boomers like Perry to be telling younger people that tough, no SS and Medicare for you.  Perhaps in 20  years there will be serious rationing of end-of-life care.  Or younger people will decide the future matters more and put all the resources toward combatting climate change not prolonging the life of the elderly.

      The scientific uncertainty doesn't mean that climate change isn't actually happening.

      by Mimikatz on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 03:56:31 PM PDT

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      •  And the GOP is perfectly fine with this particular (7+ / 0-)

        form of Evolution.

        The only area where Republicans lead on defense is spending.

        by here4tehbeer on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 04:06:34 PM PDT

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      •  OMG, it's got to be the single most reason that (2+ / 0-)
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        divineorder, jfromga

        life expectancy has increased so dramatically during the past 100 years.  These people are fools.  What do they say about those who don't study history?  

        Got Social Security? Thank a Democrat!

        by Fury on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 05:24:39 PM PDT

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        •  not really (1+ / 0-)
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          initially life expectancies increase when you wipe out childhood diseases, and have things like antibiotics.   Then you look at medical improvements in treating heart diseases and cancers.   Overall nutrition throughout life is part of it, and the safety nets make that possible, as well as end of life medical care.

          They want to take all of it away, poor die in inordinate numbers from birth on, and old people die sooner even if they beat the odds in childhood.  It is why we are slipping in life expectancy overall in the world, high mortality in children, and lack of universal care in older years, not just past 65.

  •  Old people who have to work until they die are (35+ / 0-)

    stronger than old people who allow the government to provide them with a retirement and health care THAT THEY PAID FOR WITH THEIR OWN TAX DOLLARS.

    This quote by Rubio should be used to blast the hell out of him everytime he runs for office

    •  Florida voters are so stupid, it might help him. (8+ / 0-)

      Ideology is an excuse to ignore common sense.

      by Bush Bites on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 03:45:21 PM PDT

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    •  The crazy thing about this kind of crazy talk (7+ / 0-)

      is that the more one works, strives, succeeds ... the more one's SSN payments are.  Conservatives should LOVE that!

      And since the program is mandatory in most work settings, every worker MUST save, thus spreading around the prudence and thrift.  Conservatives should LOVE that!

      All that hard work, success, prudence, planning, and forsight ... and the forsight doesn't count, for them, because we have collectively chosen to have it collectively administered.  As soon as the government becomes the means of those supposed virtues, how come they all of a sudden aren't virtues any more?  

      It's twisted.

      "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

      by lgmcp on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 03:45:32 PM PDT

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    •  "strong" is a euphemism for power. (5+ / 0-)

      What conservatives are really after is power and since, to be felt, power has to hurt, their agenda is punitive.
      Social security has to go because people aren't supposed to feel secure.  They need to be stressed to do their best, produce a surplus for freeloaders to enjoy.

      On the other hand, "strong" which rhymes with "wrong" serves as a sort of talisman against what conservatives really fear -- being wrong.

      "No, I am not wrong.  I am strong and I'm going to give you an Indian burn to prove it."

      http://www.youtube.com/cyprespond

      by hannah on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 04:05:05 PM PDT

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  •  Marco Rubio wants to be president someday (9+ / 0-)

    Please.God.NO

    Elizabeth Warren for Senate

    by artr2 on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 02:46:55 PM PDT

    •  The first Hispanic President? (2+ / 0-)
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      whaddaya, jimreyn

      The. mind. boggles.

      In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

      by blue aardvark on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 03:37:06 PM PDT

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      •  Naked Social Darwinism The. mind. boggles (8+ / 0-)

        Plutocracy too long tolerated leaves democracy on the auction block, subject to the highest bidder ~ BILL MOYERS

        by Lefty Coaster on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 03:40:46 PM PDT

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      •  Yeah, hang on to your hat. (7+ / 0-)

        We won't have to worry about him in 2012, but look out 2016!

        He drives me freaking crazy.  Saw him on a show this am and in the clip shown he said "America is the richest country in the world, yet we can't afford to fund our out of control government."  This goes beyond red meat, and straight into organ territory. ;) Sorry for the unpleasant analogy. No mention of three wars, and the GOP agenda's great recession.

        Here, he butters over poverty, income disparity, tax disparity, GOP culpability, ageism in our culture (which frankly, when it comes to jobs, outdoes almost all unattractive isms), the fact that we PAID FOR THESE BENEFITS, and stop me, I could go on and on.  

        But, see how clever he is?  He makes it look like it's the middle class and poor who are at fault by not taking care of their families and leaving the government to do it!  Of course, he doesn't mention living 12 to a house on one or two incomes that haven't grown since 2000, while the cost of everything has grown.  

        He's a good, comfortable speaker.  Looks kind of like a choir boy...from hell.  I'm telling you blue, I thought I'd lived through the worst with Nixon, Regan and Bush.  But, oh no.

        •  That makes no damn sense at all (4+ / 0-)
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          StellaRay, HCKAD, sethtriggs, alyosha

          If we're so damn rich, we CAN afford our govt. And if everybody paid their fair share, we COULD.

          Where's our space program? Where's our R&D on everything from alternative fuels to green roofs to cancer treatments to accessible medical care to new ways to grow replacement organs, tissues, new prosthetics, etc, etc, etc.?

          How come the big physics projects are in OTHER countries? How come CHINA is building tons of high speed rail and solar power cells?

          Where the hell are WE?

          Companies won't do that stuff - there's no profit in it. At least not NOW.

          Companies didn't build the internet either. Or the electronics industry. Or the aircraft/airlines. Those were built because GOVERNMENT supported them until companies could find a use for them. GOVERNMENT developed the internet. They hired planes to deliver mail long before anybody else. They (and universities) bought up most computers for years, made sure there was a market for chips, etc. GOVERNMENT put satellites in space, electrified the countryside, built the hydroelectric plants. GOVERNMENT.

          Not private industry. GOVERNMENT. Private industry just stepped in AFTER it was going.

          •  I'm so with you. (1+ / 0-)
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            sethtriggs

            Heard an interesting story on Thom Hartmann the other day.  A woman was talking about how childhood leukemia is for the most part, pretty easily cured.  The drugs are out there.  And, the government used to subsidize them.  But now, government subsidies of this have been cut back, and the pharmaceutical companies aren't interested in producing these drugs equal to the demand, because the demand does not equal enough profit.  So now, there's a great shortage of these drugs for victims of childhood leukemia.

            American exceptionalism?  What a bunch of bunk. American Greed?  Now we're beginning to describe ourselves in the year 2011.

            And this is why, imo, no matter what our disappointments with Obama, we must fight, from the ground up, not with our obsession with the top down, for the democratic party.  If it's not what we want it to be, then it's up to us to change it. And we don't do that with anger and negativity, as tempting as it is.  We do it with perseverance over our disappointments.  We're not the first ones on earth who have had to face this conundrum. Many who have come before us have done it, and done it well.  Our turn.  

    •  these maggots will always grow in the dead ideas (1+ / 0-)
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      alyosha

      of robber barons and ayn randians. we will always have to fight them. it is the cost of living in a democracy. but the fight keeps us sharp and if we are smart keeps us from forgetting what the world was like before those who came before us created social security and medicare and medicaid.

  •  If they are successful (12+ / 0-)

    in destroying Social Security and Medicare, then all Presidents, Vice-Presidents, Congresspeople and Senators should lose their pensions and health care and be forced to purchase health care like the rest of us.

    I love Pootie Diaries

    by arizonablue on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 03:05:31 PM PDT

  •  I don't think he wants to be VP anytime soon (7+ / 0-)

    "Rick Perry talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans." --- James Carville

    by LaurenMonica on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 03:05:35 PM PDT

  •  And THIS is what Republicans had in mind... (10+ / 0-)

    ...when they chose to hold their convention next year in Tampa-St. Pete. Perhaps the world will see the disgusting creatures who will be featured during their convention and see how truly revolting and disgusting their views are. Their views have no place in our governance, and it's time a tidal wave that spreads throughout the nation not only re-elects Barack Obama, but makes sure scumbags like Allen West, Rick Scott, Rick Perry, Michele Bachmann, et. al. never again get elected to office to impose their despicable views down our throats.

    The people united will never be defeated.

    by alaprst on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 03:08:00 PM PDT

  •  He's not going to make many friends (12+ / 0-)

    By asserting that we're weak. He can kiss my ass.

  •  Boom...There goes Rubio's VP electability argument (1+ / 0-)
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    If they put him on the ticket w/ either Slick Willard or GovGoodhair, it's curtains for Rubio.

  •  That's right, Senator. Only the strong survive. (11+ / 0-)

    oh, and the rich.
    The weak and infirm. They should be left out in the cold; like in the good old days.

    (Marco Rubio is an ass)

    Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn. - Poor Richard's Almanac 1755
    The government exists to protect us from the thugs who got rich ripping off our ancestors. - Mungley 2011

    by mungley on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 03:35:03 PM PDT

  •  Rubio is half right (7+ / 0-)

    It was, and is, the colossal failure of those with the means to do so - the top 1%, who control 35% of the nation's wealth - to provide for the sick, the homeless, and the unfortunate among us that led ineluctably to the government assuming that role.

    So he has the cart before the horse, which is typical for a horse's ass to do.

    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

    by blue aardvark on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 03:35:15 PM PDT

  •  I guess he believes in evolution, then (3+ / 0-)
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    TofG, Mayfly, mikidee

    Kindness, empathy, society, civilization itself?  Not so much.

    -----
    Tom Smith Online
    Music In Every Style... Except Dull
    I want a leader who shoots for the moon. The last time we had one, we got to the moon.

    by filkertom on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 03:36:43 PM PDT

  •  Rubio's a spoiled, overfed little shit. (15+ / 0-)

    Not a drop of compassion for the "other."

    Poor white people, the super-rich really appreciate your support!
    They'll reciprocate any decade now, just hang in there....

    by OleHippieChick on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 03:36:44 PM PDT

    •  OleHippieChick, I like your succinct analysis. n/t (8+ / 0-)

      Want a stable, prosperous country? Try social justice. Not only does it work--it is cost efficient.

      by Mayfly on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 03:51:56 PM PDT

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    •  He's Getting Plump (2+ / 0-)
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      He needs to watch those lobbyist dinners.  People won't vote for him if he's not pretty.

      •  So I say (2+ / 0-)
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        sethtriggs, OleHippieChick

        we all send him candy. And steaks. And $300 bottles of wine (OK, $3 bottles of wine).

        And cakes. Nice, big, tempting cakes.

        Or, in the words of Weird Al

        I don't care if you're full
        Just eat it, eat it, eat it, eat it
        Open up your mouth and feed it
        Have some more yogurt, have some more spam
        It doesn't matter if it's fresh or canned
        Just eat it, eat it, eat it, eat it
        Don't you make me repeat it
        Have a banana, have a whole bunch
        It doesn't matter what you had for lunch
        Just eat it, eat it, eat it, eat it
        Eat it, eat it, eat it, eat it

        Eat it, eat it, eat it, eat it
        If it's gettin' cold, reheat it
        Have a big dinner, have a light snack
        If you don't like it, you can't send it back
        Just eat it, eat it, eat it, eat it
        Get yourself an egg and beat it (oh lord)
        Have some more chicken, have some more pie
        It doesn't matter if it's boiled or fried
        Just eat it, eat it, eat it, eat it
        Don't you make me repeat it (oh no)
        Have a banana, have a whole bunch
        It doesn't matter what you had for lunch
        Just eat it, eat it, eat it, eat it

  •  What a jerk! Talking about peoples' savings: (15+ / 0-)
    it was no longer necessary to worry about saving for security because that was the government’s job

    Yeah, that's why people's don't have enough money saved: because Social Security makes them take it easy.  Makes 'em weak.

    Not stagnant compensation.  Not the deepest recession since the Great Depression.  Not even cheap home equity loans.

    No, we've just gotten weak.  We just don't know how to save.  Fatted calves who've had it too good, if you listen to Marco Rubio.

    Art is the handmaid of human good.

    by joe from Lowell on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 03:37:42 PM PDT

  •  good tape just in case (6+ / 0-)

    he winds up in the 2nd spot on the Republican ticket

    "what the best and wisest parent wants for his child is what we should want for all the children of the community" - John Dewey

    by teacherken on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 03:38:14 PM PDT

  •  Question (4+ / 0-)
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    Kinak, TofG, Josiah Bartlett, mikidee

    What made Rubio so weak-minded that he believes this crap? And so morally weak that he is willing to see people die in the name of low taxes?

    Inquiring minds want to know why Marcus Rubio is such a colossal wimp.

    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

    by blue aardvark on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 03:40:56 PM PDT

  •  As jfromga pointed out above, we pay into the SS (12+ / 0-)

    trust fund and pay Medicare taxes as a way of "saving" for our own retirements.  Doesn't Rubio get that?  His family values model is based on an old agrarian concept of folks never moving from the areas they grew up in with three or four generations living under one roof.  Caring for ones own elderly worked in that setting, but some peoples' kids can't make it home from Afghanistan or Brazil, where they were lucky to find a job, or from group homes to take care of the elderly.  Modern life has fragmented families geographically, and we can't really take care of our elderly via Skype.

  •  Here he is... The ultimate evolution of Reagan's (14+ / 0-)

    ... "I've-got-mine-so-you-can-just-go-fuck-off-and-die" selfishness.

    Just proves to the dunderheads on the right that evolution is, indeed, real because we now have a fuckwad like Rubio mouthing this shit in public, proudly and without consequences.

    •  It's Not an Evolution. Reagan's Rightwing Was (3+ / 0-)
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      saying these things 15 years before Reagan. They just had to keep it under the radar among their own circles in order to win power.

      The rightwing movement from the mid 60's intends to terminate all promotion of the general welfare no exceptions.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 03:58:15 PM PDT

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  •  How can this asshole ever be elected to ANY office (7+ / 0-)

    again, especially in Florida?

    This is what happens when people spend decade after decade reflexively opposing anything not originating from them. First Social Security, Medicare, etc. Then the 70s environmental movement, and finally ANYTHING a Democrat suggests, because a Democrat suggests it.

  •  For every Cuban who left for freedom, two left (5+ / 0-)

    because Castro was seizing their assets.  These well-to-do people seemed to be pretty content under dictator Batista.

    Want a stable, prosperous country? Try social justice. Not only does it work--it is cost efficient.

    by Mayfly on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 03:42:47 PM PDT

  •  Give up your government pension, you creep. (2+ / 0-)
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    Ideology is an excuse to ignore common sense.

    by Bush Bites on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 03:42:53 PM PDT

  •  What do these people think government is? (9+ / 0-)
    You see, almost forever, it was institutions in society that assumed the role of taking care of one another.

    Because, as you know, our government is not an institution in society.

    If a neighbor met misfortune, you took care of them.

    Because, as you know, paying taxes to help others in misfortune is NOT taking care of them.

    (And don't even mention having the security of knowing that their taxes will help me if I am in misfortune.)

    We took these things upon ourselves in our communities, our families, and our homes, and our churches and our synagogues. But all that changed when the government began to assume those responsibilities.

    How is the government different from those other things?  Why do they not think of government in "community" terms too?  

    Why do they consistently think of government as some separate entity from the American people, and necessarily antagonistic to them?

    Is it because they truly don't understand the concept of "democracy"?  They sure don't show it in their behavior.

  •  Sounds like he's learned his history from (1+ / 0-)
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    TofG

    the movies.

    -- We are just regular people informed on issues

    by mike101 on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 03:43:29 PM PDT

  •  File this video away. (9+ / 0-)

    It'll be useful later.

    Ideology is an excuse to ignore common sense.

    by Bush Bites on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 03:44:24 PM PDT

  •  Marco Rubio should lead the way, (5+ / 0-)

    he needs to show his commitment to his philosophy by giving up his tax payer funded healthcare, and his very nice retirement benefits from Congress.  

    I really hate all of these idiots.

    "Only the educated are free." -Epictetus

    by 20shadesofviolet on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 03:45:52 PM PDT

  •  Which is Why Most Elders Died of Exposure (9+ / 0-)

    right up till the passing of Social Security.

    We had 2,000 years of Christian charity and THE CHRISTIANS NEVER COUGHED IT UP.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 03:46:00 PM PDT

  •  Are there no workhouses? (9+ / 0-)

    Are there no prisons?

    "People who defend the indefensible lose all credibility" (h/t Karl Rover). And racism, anytime, anywhere, and by anyone is indefensible.

    by Rustbelt Dem on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 03:46:43 PM PDT

  •  Out of Touch (4+ / 0-)
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    This guy is totally out of touch and does Marco Rubio, so green behind the ears,  know what the world was like prior to the Great Depression and why Elenore Roosevelt and Franklin D. Roosevelt reacted when they witnessed the poverty and malnutrition of Americans and the lack of medical care.  Does this jerk not realize that the neighbor is suffering as well and really cannot help.  This young PUNK is out of touch and has never lived through poverty and financial depression.  Poverty and financial depression was rampant before the economic collapse of 1929, but when the nation plunged into the economic abyss the situation become chronic.  When you hear these young Republican like Ryan, Rubio and the rest talk as if they know what ailing the nation but they have not lived through it and have not suffered, and if these jerks did they would have a different view.

    •  Scrooge Rubio's view of the bottom 90% of (6+ / 0-)

      Americans (especially seniors):

      Scrooge: I wish to be left alone, sir! That is what I wish! I don't make myself merry at Christmas and I cannot afford to make idle people merry. I have been forced to support the establishments I have mentioned through taxation and God knows they cost more than they're worth. Those who are badly off must go there.
       2nd Portly Gentleman: Many would rather die than go there.
      Scrooge: If they'd rather die, then they had better do it and decrease the surplus population. Good night, gentlemen.
       

  •  I have to take it further..... (6+ / 0-)

    Rubio hates women. Because women are the ones who do the caretaking. This longing for the good old days carefully omits that women were second class citizens, rarely worked and could support this sort of thing. Although they were also involved in child rearing at the same goddamn time. Now they are expected to work [for less] and do all of it because the Repubs want the gov't to renege on the social safety net contracts?

    I'd have to say this is part of the callous machismo that is not atypical of Cubans and a lot of other Hispanic cultures. I'll have none of it.

  •  diary (1+ / 0-)
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    TofG

    Chris Bowers also has a diary on this subject.

    It says republished by Daily Kos, but I didn't see it on the FP. Maybe it is in the queue.

    America is so not like her hype.

    by OLinda on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 03:50:05 PM PDT

  •  Marc Rubio, that's happening now! (9+ / 0-)

    Mr. Rubio, I have something incredible, just magical, to share with you - you'll love this so much, and I think you'll sleep sounder than you ever have on contemplating it. I was at Ralph's today, buying coffee before work, and there was a handmade sign taped right below the debit-card reader, and it read - oh how you'll adore this and press it to your bosom! - "Please help our coworker (I forget her name), she was in a car accident and can't pay her medical bills, so we're selling these ribbons for $5 each." (BTW - that's a praphrase but it's also the essence.) The sign went on to mention that the coworker is a mother and grandmother, and a new grandbaby was on the way, so if we would please consider buying a ribbon...yes, Mr. Rubio, it's truer than true! This happened in America! Not a third-world country, nor a second-world version, but here in our first-world America! Yes! $5 ribbons to help someone with their medical bills. Neighbors helping neighbors - no, better: strangers helping a stranger. That woman who, via random chance, was horribly injured in a car accident, you had better believe the last thing she'd want is, oh, quality care paid for by the state, or a guarantee she won't go bankrupt if she pays for the care herself. Fuck that! She's an American! She'd surely say no to the government trying to "help" her pay medical bills. Medical bills are American! Bankruptcy is American! The two of them together, why, that's like peanut butter and chocolate, summer and sprinklers, baseball and hot dogs!

    I'm pissed off she isn't dragging herself out of her hospital bed and going door to door, asking for money herself! Not very American, being laid up in a hospital when there's bootstraps to pull up. Vive le...something!

    Remember the suffering of the North Korean people.

    by Nathan Hammersmith on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 03:50:05 PM PDT

  •  THIS IS THEIR NEW TALKING POINT?!?!?!?!?!? (3+ / 0-)
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    And they roll out their conservative Latino poster boy to deliver the message.  Trying to school us freeloading American Adult/Children?  Kock Brohs think tanks have been working on this for over 30 years.  The steam roller is now in drive at top speed over all hard working Americans.  Is there one Teabagger out there who knows they got played by the billionaires big time and will acknowledge it?  Get ready for more propaganda.  And having a black man as president is their constant reminder of exactly who those freeloaders are that they're talking about - not included in their equation are white and latino elderly, white and latino poor, white and latino children.  The Shock Doctrine is working, folks.

  •  The Third Rail- lick it, Republicans (5+ / 0-)
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    tb mare, JC from IA, TofG, mikidee, investorb

    Your tongue will stick to it, then a fucking train (AKA electoral extinction) will crush you like a grape. Go ahead.

    A man, a plan, a canal, Panama

    by Karl Rover on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 03:51:54 PM PDT

  •  Lets bring life expectancy down where it was (4+ / 0-)
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    tardis10, TofG, lgmcp, mikidee

    before Social Security and Medicare screwed it up.

    In 1935 it was 59.9.

    The obvious answer for fiscal conservatives is one thought of by Kurt Vonnegut for Ethical Suicide Parlors for everybody over 59.9 and give them a tax credit toward burial.

    Plutocracy too long tolerated leaves democracy on the auction block, subject to the highest bidder ~ BILL MOYERS

    by Lefty Coaster on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 03:52:40 PM PDT

  •  Saving For Retirement (4+ / 0-)
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    My grandfather retired in 1960. He had a $60 per month pension and had put aside $10,000 in cash. Those amounts were substantial back then. By the 1970s, though, $60 was not even enough to pay property taxes on his home and the $10,000 was long gone. Had it not been for Social Security, he and my grandmother would have been out on the street. Marco Rubio is not just wrong, he is a fucking idiot.

    How quickly the Pacifist becomes the Warrior when it's "our side" doing the killing.

    by edg on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 03:52:41 PM PDT

  •  Where do these idiots learn their history? nt (2+ / 0-)
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  •  Rubio's Fantasy System worked So Well... (2+ / 0-)
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    http://seniorjournal.com/...

    In 1960 about 38% of seniors were living in poverty...today perhaps 10%. Perhaps Social Security and Medicare have made a difference.

  •  Perry/Rubio (1+ / 0-)
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    What a great GOP ticket that would be.  They can even wear the same tie when they stand together on stage.

  •  Ah, the one guy who actually HAS read Perry's book (2+ / 0-)
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    Who would have figured?

  •  They really believe this shit (3+ / 0-)
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    Republicans fought tooth and nail against Medicare, and only went along with Social Security at the height of the depression after the proposal was watered down - and then they opposed later expansions that benefited surviving spouses and children.

    At the time, their opposition was based on the same argument that he makes now - claiming that any kind of  government safety net somehow weakens individual character and resolve.

    It is what Reagan said when he went around the country making speeches (funded by GE) opposing the initial creation of Medicare, and it is what motivates most Republican arguments for "small government" and "lower taxes."

    It is also completely at odds with the beliefs of the vast majority of Americans, who really do understand that in a complex modern economy, we do need the government to step up to provide basic support to the elderly, the disabled, and the poor. Americans understand that there are limitations to what families and charities can do, and that a modern social safety net is what allows people to take risks in businesses, to change jobs for better opportunities, to send their kids to college, and to participate fully in the economy and the community.

    Rubio is simply reflecting the Republican version of reality -- it is our job to make sure that the American people understand that this is what they believe.

    My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we’ll change the world - Jack Layton

    by terjeanderson on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 03:55:37 PM PDT

  •  ... (1+ / 0-)
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    You see, almost forever, it was institutions in society that assumed the role of taking care of one another.

    Institutions in society like government institutions?

    "My presences is a present, now kiss my ass..." - Kanye West

    by lcj98 on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 03:56:01 PM PDT

  •  Goddamnit. Will this shit never end? (5+ / 0-)
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    TofG, whaddaya, mikidee, jimreyn, HCKAD

    I'm so sick of these assholes.
    I've had a long rough day.

    They spend all their time trying to tear down what works because they've been soaked in many years of ideology spouted by fake "institutes" and "foundations" and even their fake "universities" drenched in lies and non-scientific anything at all. Hell, there are even law schools for these MoFo's who think they can just rip apart the country and all will be well.

    They are sociopaths and psychopaths. They don't give a damn about other people.  They just want to reek destruction upon the world and then say, "Tough luck. I already got mine."  They are smug, stupid, assholes.

    I'm so sick of them. They are the exact people who have been ruining employment in this country for 30 years or more. The hell with all of them.

    Progress occurs when courageous, skillful leaders seize the opportunity to change things for the better. -- Harry S Truman

    by YucatanMan on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 03:56:41 PM PDT

  •  Some people refuse to understand that (3+ / 0-)
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    the government r us.  They are convinced that they are rulers.  They do not understand the agency function; that they are supposed to do stuff and the stuff they are supposed to do is what the citizens who elect them demand.

    How did people come to think that democracy is just sort of a lottery by which people select petty potentates into a cadre of rotating royals?  That's what actually happened until the advent of universal suffrage, the freedom of information requirements and a currency made out of trees. Those developments made it possible to have popular government, government by the people.  Which means the petty potentates are passé.

    http://www.youtube.com/cyprespond

    by hannah on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 03:57:22 PM PDT

  •  For 45 Years They've Said All Promotion of the Gen (6+ / 0-)
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    eral welfare is immoral and that they will terminate it.

    All.

    I'm getting really sick of pointing this out decade after decade as the newly positioned overton window allows them to be more direct about it.

    For god's sake somebody at long last take them seriously.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 03:59:48 PM PDT

  •  VP (1+ / 0-)
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    I forced myself to listen as I couldn't believe he would actually say such a thing. Ugh, he did!

    He seems to positioning himself for VP. Perry/Rubio; has a real ring to it.

    Since he doesn't have to run for Senate again until 2016 he can go after the VP slot and still have plenty of time to retract his ludicrous statements.

  •  So why did Rubio's parents come here? If he was (3+ / 0-)
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    escaping a real socialist system, why did he come to a nation with some social institutions? Why not go somewhere where the institutions are minimal, perhaps one of the other islands like Haiti in the Papa Doc days, etc.

    No, he came here because we are free, even with Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

    He came here, as do millions of others every year.
    And his spawn wants to wreck the institutions that support our freedoms.

    These free market thugs are not patriots.....

    "Reason is six-sevenths of treason," said one of his neighbors. "Intelligence is what the enemy uses," said another.

    by Misterpuff on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 04:04:48 PM PDT

    •  When I was a women's clinic escort, for awhile (1+ / 0-)
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      a family of R-W Cuban immigrants came every week to protest and harass us.  The irony escaped them.

      Want a stable, prosperous country? Try social justice. Not only does it work--it is cost efficient.

      by Mayfly on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 05:09:33 PM PDT

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  •  Yeah right. If I learned anything (9+ / 0-)

    from my poor Depression-era parents is that poverty can never be eradicated by charity. Never. There wasn't enough of it. So my grade school Dad went into the mines and my mother watched her mother's babies die.  
    Fuck you and your pollyanna privilege,Rubio. You don't belong in civilization.

    "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

    by tardis10 on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 04:06:53 PM PDT

  •  The man should read a Dickens novel to see how (7+ / 0-)
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    "well" society took care of us without these safety nets.

    These people are in fantasy land.  All they have to do is look around right now and see how well "society" is caring for its people.

    Complete idiot.  Glad he is shooting himself in his own butt like the other GOP/TP'rs though.  These kinds of statements and goals will be the end of all of them.  Hooray!

  •  Listen asshole. (9+ / 0-)

    Rubio, I mean.

    Social Security and medicare is us taking care of each other.

    The government is us.

    So I see only tatters of clearness through a pervading obscurity - Annie Dillard -6.88, -5.33

    by illinifan17 on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 04:18:51 PM PDT

  •  Someone down there (4+ / 0-)
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    should dog this prick with some poster-sized pictures of the soup lines and Hoovervilles during the depression. Nothing like living in a tent when you're 75 to make you stronger.

    These people couldn't be any worse if they tried. Given that if someone makes $1 million a year they only have to pay $6000 into Social Security it is amazing how much time and effort these bastards spend trying to save such a tiny sum that thy get back anyway.

  •  I think (1+ / 0-)
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    it is politicians that suck up all the money to the top 1%, deregulate laws that allow corporations to off-shore our jobs, and do not tax the highest 1% of the population, and think corporations are people that make us weak.  His words are weak.  

    And sorry, if you don't want to help us keep programs that work and you want to destroy them, how in the hell are others going to help others, when you, Mr. Rubino want to strip what help we have.  It is the most stupidest argument I've ever heard.

    Most families are helping each other, and our neighbors are trying to help their families.  But, what we could use is more doctors that are willing to take what a person can pay for medical care, or a grocery store allowing us to buy food for what we can afford, or how about the gas station allowing us to fill our cars to get to work for what we can afford.  Asshole!  Do these idiots think you can go into an ER and get help for free because the hospitals should be considered our neighbors as well.  

    If you are digging yourself into a hole, the first thing to do is stop digging!

    by zaka1 on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 04:25:12 PM PDT

  •  We fight them the way they fought on guns (4+ / 0-)
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    Paleo, mikidee, tardis10, mmacdDE

    We start an "If you want my Social Security you'll have to pry it out of my cold, dead fingers" campaign.

    We don't advocate that people vote for Democrats -- they won't want to listen.

    Instead, we say SAVE SOCIAL SECURITY; VOTE AGAINST THE GOP.

    Scare low-interest, low-information, right-leaning people to the polls, the way anti-abortion, anti-gun-control voters were scared to the polls, and let them vote for whoever they think won't kill Social Security -- and who will that be? Dems or WHO?

    If our candidates stand up loudly and unequivocally for SS (and Medicare), we will get votes.

  •  Made the remarks at an appropriate place (0+ / 0-)

    Reagan would have been proud.

  •  Perry-Rubio. The bridge to the 19th century (5+ / 0-)
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  •  It's true - ocial Security beneficiaries are weak. (0+ / 0-)

    You have to be pretty strong to eat cat food every night for dinner!

  •  FUCK YOU, MARCO RUBIO. (4+ / 0-)

    FUCK YOU AND ALL YOUR FUCKING RIGHT-WING REACTIONARY, MORONIC, SELFISH, SHALLOW, IGNORANT, RELIGIOUS/CHRISTIANIST SHEEPLE FUCKING FRIENDS, TOO.

    Seriously - this fuck-head aims right for the lowest common denominator/ignorant fuck/scared shitless sheeple out there and BAMMM - the fucking lazy/ignorant/intellectually useless/crapass media quotes him as if it's FUCKING OKAY TO PROMOTE THIS SHIT.

    Newsflash, you FUCKFACES - It's NOT.

    Now - where's my towel.....

    "Dumb-shittery stops right here." - Elon James White.

    by mikidee on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 04:54:01 PM PDT

    •  chill out (0+ / 0-)

      Dude, he is none of those those things.  He is a right wing politician and you are within every right to disagree.  However, can you please stop dropping F bombs and making untruthful accusations, you are doing our side no favor.  Republicans already think of as a bunch of promiscuous bi-sexual fiends.  You are proving them right with your needless rant.
       

  •  This is totally asinine. (4+ / 0-)
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    The good old days, huh, Marco?

    For senior citizens, the benefit of the enactment of Medicare was dramatic, according to PBS:

    In 1964, 44 percent of seniors had no health care coverage, and with the medical bills that come with older age, this propelled many seniors into poverty. In fact, more than one in three Americans over 65 were living below the poverty line -- more than double the rate of those under 65. Medicare was an important and big change in American health care . . . and the results have been extraordinary: virtually all seniors now have health care, and the poverty rate for the elderly has fallen to approximately one in ten -- a rate lower than that of the general population.

    "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them...well, I have others." --Groucho Marx

    by Dragon5616 on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 04:55:55 PM PDT

  •  Narcissist Marco Rubio really hates Americans (0+ / 0-)

    but it's class warfare to dislike him.

    Got it?

    •  Narcissist? hates America? (0+ / 0-)

      Listen I not promoting any of his proposals but from what I can see from the man he doesn't hate the country or is any way a narcissist.  I've always voted democrat but for the first time in my life i am reconsidering.  I can't find anything outrageous by what he is saying and to diminish his ideas (some I find very middle ground) as coming from some whacked out extreme right wing ideology intent to destroy the country is just not truthful.  Read stuff before you make your post.  You are all guilty.  I'm not saying to post something positive but at least read what he said first before posting you negative nastiest.  Even human Democrats still have individual thought last i heard, use it.

      •  So you LOVE Marco Rubio? (0+ / 0-)

        Rubio is clearly in love with himself, not average americans.

        Most Americans depend on Social Security and MC
        in retirement and Rubio says that makes them pathetic.

        Loving that extreme narcissist means that you are a fool.

        He's going to destroy your retirement, dummy.

        He's a Reagan impersonator and con-man.

      •  You can't find anything outrageous??? (0+ / 0-)

        As a 66yr old present resident of FL who has been politically active since the 1960 election, I'd say you are being willfully ignorant.  I also would guess that you are under forty.

        You're not worth my time, but that doesn't mean you're right

        "Never let up. Crush bigotry and greed."

        by LouisMartin on Thu Aug 25, 2011 at 11:31:48 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  FUCK (0+ / 0-)

    Rubio and his Cabal

    All I want is the truth. Just gimmie some truth John Lennon

    by gimmie truth on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 05:16:31 PM PDT

  •  So, I can be certain that he is going to (0+ / 0-)

    ...run for office by explicitly stating that he is going to eliminate these nation weakening programs.

    ...plus, why does he want to "save" these terrible programs for current seniors? He's making them (and their relatives/neighbors) even more lazy and weakening the nation even further.

    SQUIREL!

  •  taking student loans (1+ / 0-)
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    made him a weak minded koolaid drinking corrupt politician

    If eavesdropping on anything you say, write, or do could increase someone's wealth or influence you are a potential target. http://www.xtimeline.com/timeline/History-of-National-Security-Agency--NSA-

    by anyname on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 06:09:27 PM PDT

  •  Rubio must remember that before Medicare, (0+ / 0-)

    neighbors did take care of their elderly neighbors when they became ill by personally paying for their cancer treatments, paying for their heart surgery, and paying for their 20 prescriptions that they take each day to keep them alive.  This all happened before Medicare made us all into weaklings.

    And it feels like I'm livin'in the wasteland of the free ~ Iris DeMent, 1996

    by MrJersey on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 07:20:38 PM PDT

  •  Pell Grants (0+ / 0-)

    What a pompous jerk! Ths coming from a guy who recived Pell Grants to pay for his college. Maybe he should have used the money to helping his mother and father.

  •  People do save money (1+ / 0-)
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    for retirement and other things, but nearly all forms of investment (stocks and bonds) could fail. Social Security is a guaranteed form of funding for retirement and provides social safety net. That's why it is called Social Security, it ensures people will put some money in a basic program, regardless whether they think it is necessary (young people may want money paid to SS to spend on other things) or whether they have suffered losses in other forms of investments.

    The GOP narrative is that people who rely on these programs are lazy, and suck money for those who work hard. This is complete BS of course.

  •  A REAL CREEP! He forgot the GREAT DEPRESSION! (0+ / 0-)

    The GReat depression was the reason the SS was started in the first place. Because, people, lots of people did not have relatives to take care of them in their old age or if they were disabled. And lots of people earned mediocre wages while the rich played lavishly. It was a "let them eat catfood nation" in the 1930's and Roosevelt found real humanity. These guys are just plain creeps. They are selfish, arrogant YOUNG fools who have not lived.

    An EGG is not a person, A corporation is not a person!

    by CarmanK on Thu Aug 25, 2011 at 12:50:07 AM PDT

  •  Where? (0+ / 0-)

    Where is the CORPORATE MEDIA when the CORPORATE REPUBLICANS say thing like this?  Nowhere to be found. This is why the people have to brake the stranglehod that thay have on the MEDIA. Or we become slaves  to these CORPORATIONS. WE have a CHOICE TO BE SLAVES OR FREE.

  •  As Jesus said: was ihn nicht umbringt, (0+ / 0-)

    macht ihn stärker

  •  He says things are different now (0+ / 0-)

    with SS and Medicare. How? We still have to save for retirement, the only difference is that the government gave us a place to save it. Wait! There is another difference, the workplace management have to kick in some too.

    It should be a crime for Obama to shine up the payroll tax deduction again for this year like it is some Earth shaking development. The reality of this tax deduction is:
    1. He is giving back your own money, money that should be for your later years. It will result in smaller payouts for your future.
    2. When said like, "One THOUSAND dollar per year" It sounds like a big deal even though it is coming out of your own pockets. $1000/year is $3.85/day. Take it easy now, don't spend it all in one place. The best part is, the money came from your own pocket, not your 'today' pocket, but from your 'retired pocket.' How does that help your retirement? Speaking of retirement, I am retired after 50 years of paying into the system, I am raping the US citizens of $5.35/hr based on a 40 hour week as if I were working. How inconsiderate of me when I should be donating it to help, "The Plight of The Rich."

    What will help? If Obama declared a fiscal emergency I believe that he could get the money anywhere he wanted. I suggest that there is a group of people that have the money and are vastly under taxed (here comes the joke) and are ready and willing to do their part.

    Just as prostitution is the world's oldest profession, religion is the world's oldest scam.

    by Agent420 on Thu Aug 25, 2011 at 10:25:21 AM PDT

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