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The tea party: Decreasing the surplus population since 2009.
Many remember the moment when it was said that Rep. Alan Grayson had gone too far. The speech that signaled that he had far exceeded the reasonable political bounds of his swing district and had violated the supposed normative decorum of the hallowed House of Representatives. The Republican Party was in the midst of telling anyone who would listen just how sinister the Affordable Care Act was: how it would impose socialism upon America, ruin free enterprise, and empower government panels to selectively allow grandmothers to die when they had outlived their usefulness to the state. That was how they characterized a plan that would expand insurance coverage for tens of millions, ban rescission of coverage, and stop treating womanhood as a pre-existing condition.

Grayson had a different characterization of the so-called Republican plan for healthcare:

Don't get sick. And if you do get sick, die quickly.

This gave the DC chattering class a massive case of the vapors and resulted in calls for Grayson to apologize. Grayson did apologize, of course: to those who have died because they lacked health insurance.

Until last week, Grayson's speech about Republican perspectives on health care could theoretically have been considered a rhetorical exaggeration. But not any more. It's now a simple fact that a good number of tea party voters actively like to see people die. It doesn't matter if they're innocent or guilty. It doesn't matter if there were circumstances beyond the control of those they hope will soon be deceased. It doesn't matter if sane public policy could have prevented them from dying of a painful disease.  They just need to die. And die quickly.

At the recent so-called tea party Debate co-hosted by notorious liberal media organization CNN, Wolf Blitzer posed a question to Rep. Ron Paul. He asked who should foot the bill for an uninsured young man who somehow suffers a catastrophic illness or injury and needs intensive care. Paul gave a general reply that nonetheless implied a terrible conclusion: that by being uninsured, the man intentionally took the risk and shouldn't expect society to cover the risk. Showing more tenacity than many might expect, Blitzer followed up asking specifically what Paul seemed to imply: that society should simply let this hypothetical person die. Paul may have hedged his bets when presented with this stark choice, but the handpicked, specifically invited members of the tea party audience certainly felt no such obligation. Seemingly several audience members shouted agreement with Blitzer's intentionally outrageous premise: that society should punish this young man for his moral failure to purchase major medical insurance by simply letting him die.

Now, it is spartan at best to actively wish for someone to die when their only crime is a failure to plan for unexpected medical catastrophes—assuming, of course, that our hypothetical healthy young individual were actually able to afford insurance. But a moralizing, hardcore devotee of the cult of personal responsibility could theoretically advocate that this individual was simply paying the price for his lack of vision. But the truth is, the tea party death cult really doesn't care whether any personal responsibility was involved or not, just as long as someone dies. Case in point: Gov. Rick Perry's execution record.

Gov. Perry, it seems, likes to kill people convicted of capital crimes. Since Perry took office, 234 convicts have been put to death by his signature. Now, one could say that Gov. Perry is simply performing his duty to the justice system, but most human beings would lose sleep over the thought of signing the warrant that will make another man die. Gov. Perry is not one of those human beings. Not only does he not lose any sleep over his executions, the tone with which he talks about his state's record on capital punishment bespeaks pride, as if it's an accomplishment:

In defending the Texas death penalty, Perry said at the debate, "if you come into our state and you kill one of our children, you kill a police officer, you're involved with another crime and you kill one of our citizens, you will face the ultimate justice in the state of Texas, and that is you will be executed."

The tea party, not surprisingly, shares Gov. Perry's sentiments. At the recent GOP debate at the Reagan Library, Brian Williams was about to ask a question about Texas' record on capital punishment, but he didn't get the chance to do so without interruption:

"Governor Perry," NBC's Brian Williams said to our governor, "a question about Texas. Your state has executed 234 death row inmates (since Perry took office), more than any other governor in modern times. Have you ... "

And before Williams could transition from predicate to question the audience spontaneously applauded the facts about Texas and the death penalty.

Tea party supporters, as well as those who support the death penalty, might simply say that conservative audiences are tough on crime and like candidates who share those values. But the truth is, many of Perry's supporters simply like to see people get executed, whether they're guilty or not—something that Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison found out when she tried unsuccessfully to challenge Perry in the GOP gubernatorial primary. See, one of the executions over which Perry lost not a second of sleep might well have been that of an innocent man: Cameron Todd Willingham, whose conviction relied on scientifically invalid fire science.

It wasn't just that Rick Perry refused clemency to Willingham despite the doubts. In subsequent years, Perry essentially shut down a commission approved by the legislature to study this case and others like it. In any other era in American politics, executing a potentially innocent person and then hamstringing the commission designed to investigate the case would be a political death sentence. But not to the Texas-style Republicans that form the heart of tea party values:

Multiple former Hutchison advisers recalled asking a focus group about the charge that Perry may have presided over the execution of an innocent man – Cameron Todd Willingham – and got this response from a primary voter: "It takes balls to execute an innocent man."

It takes balls to kill an innocent man. What really matters in an executive isn't whether or not they have a problem with killing innocent people; the most important thing to the tea party is whether a candidate has the balls. The lethal injection of innocents is just collateral damage along the way to a determination of a tea party candidate's testicular fortitude.

But not all injections are created equal. There are some that the tea party death cult has strenuous objections to. Not surprisingly, they're the types of injections that prevent people from dying.

One of the stranger highlights of the recent tea party debate centered around Perry's overturned executive order requiring pre-teen girls to be vaccinated against HPV, a virus that can often lead to cervical cancer. Perry, it seems, has no problem with life-saving injections if they can benefit his campaign chest and favorite lobbyist. But to the extreme hardcore social conservatives like Rep. Michele Bachmann and former Sen. Rick Santorum? This was a horrible thing to them, because it meant that young women might feel less disinclined to have sex if they were at less risk of death as a result:

The objections to routine HPV vaccination cluster in a few areas. First, it is alleged that removing medical penalties for sexual contact — in this case, HPV and cervical cancer — will encourage sex. A protective shot given to a girl on the verge of sexual maturity, in this view, may be taken as permission for experimentation.

The fiscal wing of the death cult may want you to die quickly if you cost too much by being uninsured. The social conservative wing, however, wants to make sure that if you're a woman who dares to have sex, the possibility of a painful, bloody death from cervical cancer remains explicitly on the table. Members of rational society, like Michael Gerson of the Washington Post, realize just how depraved this mentality is:

The more disturbing moral failure concerns any parent who would entertain this argument. Try to imagine a parent-daughter conversation about sexual restraint and maturity that includes the words: “Honey, I’m going to deny you a vaccine that prevents a horrible, bleeding cancer, just as a little reminder of the religious values I’ve been trying to teach you.” This would be morally monstrous. Such ethical electroshock therapy has nothing to do with cultivation of character in children. It certainly has nothing to do with Christianity, which teaches that moral rules are created for the benefit of the individual, not to punish them with preventable death.

So remember: if you're a woman who gets cervical cancer because it was immoral to vaccinate you and you don't have insurance, just die quickly. The tea party death cult wouldn't have it any other way.

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  •  This is why the Daily Show and Colbert (41+ / 0-)

    writers really earn their money.  It is almost impossible to do satire nowadays.
    No matter how much you exaggerate, no matter how ludicrous you try to paint these people for comedic effect, they continually live down to any satiric portrayal, and then go beyond.

    It's no crime to be poor. But they're working on it.

    by jazzmaniac on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 05:04:34 PM PDT

  •  A question I'd like to ask any tea party candidate (34+ / 0-)

    in particular, those who make a big show of being anti-abortion:

    As a tea party supporter, I presume you want to abolish Medicaid, or any other kind of health assistance to the poor. All too many babies are born premature. Would you be in favor of pulling out the plug of any incubator occupied by a baby whose parents are too impoverished to pay for life support?

    •  I'm sure the answer would be YES, pull (11+ / 0-)

      the plug.

      "The Greek word for idiot, literally translated, means one who does not participate in politics. That sums up my conviction on the subject." Sen. Gladys Pyle (1890-1989)

      by Melanie in IA on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 05:14:16 PM PDT

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      •  what color is the baby (1+ / 0-)
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        kevin k

        unfair to ask that question unless the americanness of the baby is determined, dontcha know.

        and now, some Tool; from Vicarious:

        Eye on the TV
        'cause tragedy thrills me
        Whatever flavour
        It happens to be like;
        Killed by the husband
        Drowned by the ocean
        Shot by his own son
        She used the poison in his tea
        And kissed him goodbye
        That's my kind of story
        It's no fun 'til someone dies

        Don't look at me like I am a monster
        Frown out your one face but with the other
        Stare like a junkie into the TV
        Stare like a zombie
        While the mother Holds her child
        Watches him die
        Hands to the sky crying Why, oh why?
        'cause I need to watch things die
        From a distance

        Vicariously I, live while the whole world dies
        You all need it too, don't lie

        Why can't we just admit it?
        Why can't we just admit it?

        We won't give pause until the blood is flowing
        Neither the brave nor bold
        The writers of stories sold
        We won't give pause until the blood is flowing


        Blood like rain come down
        Drawn on grave and ground

        Part vampire Part warrior
        Carnivore and voyeur
        Stare at the transmittal
        Sing to the death rattle

        Credulous at best, your desire to believe in angels in the hearts of men.
        Pull your head on out your hippy haze and give a listen.
        Shouldn't have to say it all again.
        The universe is hostile.
        So impersonal, devour to survive.
        So it is. So it's always been.

        We all feed on tragedy
        It's like blood to a vampire

        Vicariously I, live while the whole world dies
        Much better you than I

        the bolded parts are where Maynard James Keenan dug right down to the ugly heart of it, something he does unflinchingly.
        Another's pain is their gain. It's that simple, and that awful.

        Class war has consequences, and we are living them.

        by kamarvt on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 06:07:51 AM PDT

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    •  If They Hadn't Been Responsible and Gotten (3+ / 0-)
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      QuoVadis, swampyankee, MarleneB

      the proper health insurance, what do you think Rand Paul would say?

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 05:23:25 PM PDT

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      •  OK, not wanting to be argumentative, (3+ / 0-)
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        MarleneB, Damnit Janet, adobedragon

        but just consider for a moment that one of the reasons these people can make such cavalier assertions is because they have no sense of time and no awareness of cause and effect.

        Blaming the victim is simply the result of collapsing an event and its consequence (what happens first and what happens next) into one incident.

        I do think some of these people have a mental disability not unlike a person who is color blind and sees only light (white) and dark (black).  Their world is either on or off.  It's not a matter of not seeing shades of gray.  It's a matter of not seeing when it's dark.  Congenitally blind persons amplify other senses to help them understand their environment.  Conservatives are people who see, but only what's directly in front of their eyes; not what's in their environment.
        I also think it's telling that economics, a moralistic science in the sense that it wants to manipulate human behavior, does all its data accumulation and modeling of a fixed point in time (which is, of course, long gone by the time the model is finished and published).  That is, the economist aims to reduce many events to one and doesn't even bother with trying to create a dynamic model (or didn't use to, perhaps now they are).  Conservatives, in addition to being punitive, are reductionists.  They don't just want the world to hold still, but to remain at a particular point in time.  That's why their command is "No."  Change is an enemy.  They don't understand it.  It makes them afraid.  The linear concept of time doesn't exist for them.  The environment doesn't exist for them.  They can't imagine evolution.  Yes, they can use the words, but they have no mental image to go with it.  They cannot imagine what they cannot see.

        It's a mental deficit.  I suspect it can be found in all populations, btw.

        by hannah on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 03:07:32 AM PDT

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        •  Right on! (2+ / 0-)
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          hannah, Damnit Janet

          The die-hard conservatives are under the severe delusion that America was best off when blacks were on TV except as servants, mommy and her perfect little girl always wore dresses, hose and makeup, staying at home cooking while daddy and his perfect son went out and did manly things.

          They've somehow been lead to believe that the 1950s TV shows "Father Knows Best", "The Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet" and "Leave it to Beaver" are documentaries, rather than severe fantasy.

          Hannah hit the bulls-eye when she declared that the conservatives hate change. They want things to stay the same, which is why they embrace fundamentalist religions so well. The fundies do not allow for debate, discussion, or noticeable change.

          Of all the preposterous assumptions of humanity, nothing exceeds the criticisms made of the habits of the poor by the well-housed, well-warmed, and well-fed. -- Herman Melville

          by MarleneB on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 04:30:18 AM PDT

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        •  well, then. if society has deadweight... (3+ / 0-)
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          hannah, Damnit Janet, kevin k

          Then the teabaggers need to look into their mirrors.

          I am not so inclined to chalk the monstrosity of these millions up to mental disease. If this disorder is truly as rampant as the polls and demographics suggest, it doesn't even qualify as a disorder, just a preference. Either way, if somewhere between 20 and 30% of the voting (i.e driving) portion of our society is fundamentally unequipped to discern cause and effect, we need to drastically rearrange the social order, or we are doomed to living on the edge of holocaust.
          Frankly, i think they are just mean-spirited, colossally selfish assholes. Their chosen environment of hate speech and propaganda has allowed them to take their ugliness out in public, so it comes across as a new thing. It isn't. Lynching had a sort of death- cult flavor to it back in the day. For a while, our side succeeded in pushing this monster out of public view. We failed utterly at educating it away, however. It has festered, and once again is ascendent.

          Class war has consequences, and we are living them.

          by kamarvt on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 06:17:27 AM PDT

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    •  AGree with Melanie in IA. All too easy. (16+ / 0-)

      The would pull it with glee.  They don't see that baby as human, only as a drain on their pocketbook, especially if the baby is not white.

      Would we be so happy to have a military that dwarfs all others combined if it was a line item deduction on our paychecks next to FICA."

      by Back In Blue on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 05:24:11 PM PDT

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      •  but you miss the telling irony (8+ / 0-)

        Bagger: "we're pro life!"

        Person with Sense in his or her head: "But would you pull the plug on an un-insured preemie? Would you let an expectant mother ( and / or unborn child die from lack of pre-natal care, since they have no insurance? Are you as a pro lifer, willing to pay out of your pocket for health care for an un- insured mother to be and her child? If you are not, then STFU"

        "Whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their own government" T. Jefferson

        by azureblue on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 05:48:51 PM PDT

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        •  hypocrisy is more accurate. (10+ / 0-)

          The point is that they don't consider those irresponsibly uninsured as worthy of their "hard-earned dollars" or in other words "not human".   Pro-life is just an easy and effective vehicle that works with their type.

          The irony is that the t-baggers all claimed from the beginning that is was all about fiscal responsibility and not social or cultural issues.  Their actions show that their motives are entirely cultural but want to use the power of the purse to prevent anyone from having any choice but what they approve of and for only for people they approve of.

          Would we be so happy to have a military that dwarfs all others combined if it was a line item deduction on our paychecks next to FICA."

          by Back In Blue on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 06:51:27 PM PDT

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        •  Only the living can be tortured and (3+ / 0-)
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          MarleneB, kamarvt, Back In Blue


          What do they want the babies for?  So they can be abused.  Michele Bachmann took in 23 foster girls at $600 a month per child.  That's what I call human husbandry.

          Human husbandry is the exploitation of humans by their own kind, to their detriment.  Death is the end stage, when there is nothing left to exploit.

          Perhaps it is a natural evolution for cattlemen to turn to human husbandry.

          by hannah on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 03:12:12 AM PDT

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      •  Baby is seen as drain only AFTER it is out of womb (2+ / 0-)
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        MarleneB, Back In Blue

        in Republican meme'.  Before birth, baby can not be disturbed.

    •  Kids With Preexisting Conditions, No Insurance.... (13+ / 0-)

      Should they be allowed to die? Come on Tea Party, cheer for that!

      Every family need to hear that the GOP is willing to let their kid die is they have had surgery, allergies, ADD, autism, etc etc.  every family needs to hear that the GOP demands a blood sacrafice to stop "Obamacare."

      There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

      by bernardpliers on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 05:49:31 PM PDT

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  •  tea party death cult (19+ / 0-)

    they are the cancer in the body-politic. They are the canker sore that will not heal. They will be the death of the republic unless the spread of the cancer that is the republican tea party is halted.

    A diamond is a piece of coal that stuck with it.

    by steelman on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 05:07:52 PM PDT

  •  "a girl on the verge of sexual maturity" (8+ / 0-)

    Hey medical folks how about plain English. This shot works best if given before puberty.

     Leave the #@&@^#^# S*E*X out of the conversation, It's just giving the wingers more ammo......

    So it's The Why do you hate this country You're Obsessed with misquoting me out of context while I was in the process of misspeaking with the sun in my eyes while chowing down and bashing Sharia law God Bless America defense.......

    by JML9999 on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 05:08:43 PM PDT

  •  Watch the Catholic bishops (10+ / 0-)

    Capital punishment is as much a mortal sin as abortion to a Catholic. The Bishops have declared the GOP's position on the budget and inaction on immigration as immoral. Wanna bet they don't spend their bucks supporting Republicans?

    Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.

    by MrMichaelMT on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 05:09:27 PM PDT

  •   (5+ / 0-)

    Tea Parties are for little girls with imaginary friends.

    by J Edward on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 05:13:50 PM PDT

  •  Wrong question (17+ / 0-)

    About 3% of US residents are uninsured even though they can afford insurance and can pass an insurance company health screen. By focusing his query on this demographic, Blitzer asked the wrong question and minimized the real issue.

    The correct question should have been, "Who should foot the bill for a child suffering from a catastrophic illness who could not pass a health screen or whose parents could not afford health insurance?"

    "I want real loyalty. I want someone who will kiss my ass in Macy's window, and say it smells like roses." Lyndon Johnson

    by pkgoode on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 05:14:06 PM PDT

  •  There is now no common ground. (20+ / 0-)

    When Republicans can say and do the most outrageous shit ever imaginable, there really is no limit to their madness. They have sanctioned and committed torture, executed at will and now, are determined to let innocent in firmed people die of neglect.

    -7.5 -7.28, Democratic Socialism...It's not just for Europeans.

    by Blueslide on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 05:14:51 PM PDT

    •  No the Families and Churches Will Provide the (7+ / 0-)

      needed charity, is their position. Government is not permitted to meddle in these things.

      The facts are that their scheme never worked in 2,000 years of Christian charity and 8,000 years of civilization. But they're obsessed with rules, rather than facts or outcomes.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 05:30:48 PM PDT

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  •  Yes, they are sadistic exortionists. (12+ / 0-)

    But, the question is what shall we do about it?

    I heard Alan Grayson on the radio today, on Stephanie Miller's show on XM Radio Left.  He was 100% on target and funny (if it all wasn't so sad).

    I read his bio. carefully tonight.  

    He belongs in Washington, not in Orlando. (OK, he could be the Orlando representative to Washington).

    We must find a way to get him back in a policy making role.

    We lefties must find such a way.

  •  If you're broke, die quickly (11+ / 0-)

    That's the whole attitude of the New Republicans. If you're poor, die. If you're a woman, don't work (unless your husband wants you to), and don't have sex outside of marriage.If you're not a Christian, repent and convert - or move. If you're not a Republican, repent and concert - or move.

    Better yet - everybody who isn't rich, white, male and Republican? Sit down, shut up and take what you're given. Or die.

    That way, we can imagine you don't exist.

    They say "cut back" - we say "fight back"!

    by Louise on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 05:15:13 PM PDT

  •  let's not forget the fact that... (10+ / 0-)

    they are supposedly against "big government", but happen to think that government should have the right to murder its own citizens.

  •  Right wing extremists had no problem invading Iraq (9+ / 0-)

    killing hundreds of thousands of people, creating millions of refugees, and wasting trillions of dollars. Their complete contempt for human life is well established.

    The invasion of Iraq was a war crime, a crime against humanity, and a crime against civilization. Prosecute the crime.

    by Positronicus on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 05:17:09 PM PDT

  •  Herbery Spencer... (6+ / 0-)

    would be proud of them... A good caricature for future reference would be that of Ebeneezer Scrooge at the point he declares, "Good, they should do so and decrease the surplus population." It is demoralizing that the two parties occupy such vastly different real estate when it comes to the issue of human rights...

    "Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it." ~Mark Twain

    by Up North on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 05:18:06 PM PDT

  •  Well, the more people dying around them ... (6+ / 0-)

    ... the more the tea partiers can feel special and virtuous and elect merely by the fact that they continue to draw breath.

    Which is about the only useful societal function most of them can manage.

    Fight until we win. Then we can begin arguing about the details. - Kwickkick (RIP) 2009

    by RickMassimo on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 05:19:00 PM PDT

    •  Actually Since CO2 is Increasing, Even the Mere (4+ / 0-)

      act of conscious existence and respiration is damaging life and property around the entire world.

      So no, even that is not a useful societal function in this crisis.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 05:33:26 PM PDT

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    •  There are both secular and sacral versions (2+ / 0-)
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      RickMassimo, kevin k

      For the Holy Rollers, it is their righteous reward from the Lord of the Gospel of Abundance, the proof of their higher merit earned by their superior faith.  For their more secular fellow travelers, it is proof of their superior personal choices and hard work compared to the "loosers" that fall victim.  A coalition, a compromise, a masterwork of "the art of the possible" indeed.

      "The existence of a good thing is no evidence of its being enjoyed by the working class." ~ Daniel DeLeon

      by ActivistGuy on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 08:17:25 PM PDT

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  •  The tea party people want great health care (4+ / 0-)

    for themselves.

    Still enjoying my stimulus package.

    by Kevvboy on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 05:20:10 PM PDT

  •  listening to the audience (17+ / 0-)

    at the GOP debates cheer about executions and scream out "let him die" about a ill person without insurance is chilling beyond words.  it has all the earmarkings of a certain era in Europe.

    and i DO NOT believe for one moment that Perry was "taken aback" by the comment.  Perry, Bachmann, Paul and the rest of the brownshirts up there have unleashed and legitamized these "domestic tebagger terrorists" for their own political gain - and have to live by the consequences (not that most of them care).

    The problem is much deeper than the Porno movie known as the republican primary process -- a real insidious form of hatred has crept into our society and it is continually being enabled by people like Perry and Bachmann - and being spread like a virus by the media like CNN and Fox.

    Perry and that ilk ONLY cares about winning, Fox just cares about ratings -- the rest of the out come is purely collateral damage.  while the rest of the country enjoys the worlds greatest reality show - the society at large is becoming more and more poisoned by the vile that these people and organizations allow to pass as "mainstream" (aka acceptable).

    until organizations that have "credibility" (which i mean in terms of familiarity and influence - NOT truth) start calling out Perry and Bachmann and really challenge them on stuff like Ponzi schemes, hatred of the poor and retardardation claims - we are heading down a path that will have no turning around.  Greek default will look like small potatoes.

    it is so apparent that so much of the electorate already has made up their mind for 2012 - they will vote for anyone who is not a Democrat - for a variety of reasons - why else would 40% of the people already state they actually are willing to push a lever (or scan an optical card) for someone they know is insane like Bachmann or a thug like Perry - it says something very ghastly about our society and the current state of leadership.  

    He may talk like an idiot, and look like an idiot, but don't let that fool you: he really is an idiot...Groucho Marx

    by distributorcap on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 05:28:04 PM PDT

  •  My disgust with Perry was not over the audience (17+ / 0-)

    applause about the 234 executions but rather his statement that he never lost any sleep over any of these decisions.

    I can imagine a Governor saying

    Yes, I lose sleep over every one of those decisions.

    But not Rick Perry.  He sleeps the sleep of Morpheus and Hades, the God of the Dead, because he doesn't give 2 seconds of thought to these decisions.  No one will get a reprieve.

    "Don't dream it, be it" - Brad, Janet and Frank

    by captainlaser on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 05:28:14 PM PDT

  •  The people on the far right who want sick people (8+ / 0-)

    to die to spare them a couple of extra bucks a month in premiums, cheer on executions and love it when we go to war and kill Muslims and other evildoers represent the rear guard of our society that, by definition, we've always had with us. In the past they were the Moral Majority, Birchers, Know-Nothings, Nativists, Sesessionists and Tories. Now they call themselves the Tea Party. Same shit.

    And they are shit--all of them, because they don't like people not like them yet reserve for themselves special privileges they will not grant others.

    And they want a free ride while criticizing others for same.

    What is different now (but even then not really) is that they've temporarily got some political power, and are using it to drag their party and the country to the far right. But that too will end, and they cause serious damage to their party and lose the essential political center. They got lucky in 2010. But it won't last.

    The USA is a progressive country, whatever people call themselves.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 05:29:54 PM PDT

    •  Where's the evidence (0+ / 0-)

      that the US is a progressive country?  Our politics have ALWAYS been much further to the right than those prevailing in other industrialized nations.  MUCH further right.

      "The existence of a good thing is no evidence of its being enjoyed by the working class." ~ Daniel DeLeon

      by ActivistGuy on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 08:35:14 PM PDT

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      •  The very idea of America is progressive (1+ / 0-)
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        It was literally the first non-monarchical constitutional democracy in modern western history, followed by a long list of progressive advancements:

        --Gradual extension of suffrage, from non-rich white males, to all males, to all adults, to the eliminateion of poll taxes, to teens.

        --Elimination of the slave trade and eventually slavery

        --40 hour work week, end of child labor, workplace safety laws

        --Government investment in infrastructure that benefitted all citizens, such as canals, roads, bridges, railroads, public and national parks, public schools

        --Progressive extention of civil rights and liberties

        --Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Unemployment

        And so on. There have been periods of regression and oppression or very slow progress, such as the late 19th century and the past 30 years. And right now we're certainly not very progressive and still headed in the wrong direction. But on the whole we've been a progressive country in terms of policy, with one of the highest levels of liberty and prosperity in the world.

        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

        by kovie on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 09:02:02 PM PDT

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        •  disconnect between "America", (1+ / 0-)
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          which normally denotes "the American people" and "American political leadership" is stark, vast, and growing larger by the day.
          When huge majorities support certain policies that are never even brought into the political discussions, there is a major disconnect at work. This has been the case in every major policy debate since at least the invasion of Iraq.
          Our politics does not represent our population. Not even close, anymore.

          Class war has consequences, and we are living them.

          by kamarvt on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 06:31:09 AM PDT

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          •  You're judging the entire sweep of US history (0+ / 0-)

            By what's going on today and during specific periods of US history? Doesn't seem particularly fair or honest. Plus, one has to judge a country's progressivism both in terms of its contemporary context and at the societal as well as governmental level. At the time of its founding and for quite a few years thereafter, the US was almost certainly the most progressive major country on earth, even compared to England, where major parts of the country had absolutely no direct representation in parliament and the slave trade and slavery were still legal.

            I'm not making a "USA Rules!" defense here, but simply stating fact. Relatively speaking, the US has been and in many ways continues to be a progressive country, even if these days it's more so at the activist than official level.

            "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

            by kovie on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 01:43:36 PM PDT

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  •  As Kathleen Parker wrote... (8+ / 0-)

    "This is the essence of the so-called ordinary American. Self-reliant, individualistic, entrepreneurial, neighborly and strong."

    The simple fact the most ordinary Americans fail on many of those measures, and that's certainly fine with me, show how little TGOPers understand the world around them.  I don't know a single person who doesn't have something major in theirs lives or the lives of people they love that would cause any TGOPer to declare them a burden on society.  

    Of course, if it was someone they cared about, it would be just fine to save their lives and if they'd be the first ones blaming the left when they find out they're not immune.

    Would we be so happy to have a military that dwarfs all others combined if it was a line item deduction on our paychecks next to FICA."

    by Back In Blue on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 05:30:33 PM PDT

  •  Grayson just caught on before the rest of us. (6+ / 0-)

    Strange how somethings never change.  I am working on a diary on religious freedom pre Constitution.  The "Christians" were opposed to small pox vaccination since it was an attempt to thwart God's will.  Cotton Matther, Benjamin Franklin and Ethan Allan were all early vaccination supporters.  Franklin even started a fund to pay for vaccinations for the poor since he had lost a child to the disease that he was so impressed by that he had hired a tutor for him at the age of 2.  Anti scientific and anti intellectual at the same time then as now.

    Tea Parties are for little girls with imaginary friends.

    by J Edward on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 05:31:44 PM PDT

    •  I was onto it in 1978 (2+ / 0-)
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      Of course, one thing learned in those 30+ years is that I simply don't matter to anyone.

      "The existence of a good thing is no evidence of its being enjoyed by the working class." ~ Daniel DeLeon

      by ActivistGuy on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 08:36:54 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I went back to grad school in 1980, got an easy (0+ / 0-)

        $5000 student loan to help with grad assistant pay.  The next year Reagan was in office and I (a male single parent with grad ass pay of around $7K) was allowed $500 the next year.  They figured I needed $25 a week to feed the kid, right in line with the ketchup was a vegetable for school lunch crowd.

        Tea Parties are for little girls with imaginary friends.

        by J Edward on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 09:02:20 PM PDT

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  •  TeaParty Ushered Onto Corporate World Stage (2+ / 0-)
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    New Ford ad that casts a negative light on the government’s bailout of the motor industry. You’ll recall that Ford Motors refused to take bailout money from the government — bailout money which happened to breathe new life into and create additional jobs for Chrysler and GM despite the fact that both companies are still in the process of repaying their debts. Well, it would seem that this refusal resonated deeply with at least one car buyer.

    In the commercial, an “average guy” is pulled off the street and into a press conference, where he is asked various questions about buying a Ford vehicle, including whether driving an American car is important to him. His response ran a little deeper than “Yes, but only if I can airbrush a weeping American eagle onto the passenger side door:”

    I wasn’t going to buy another car that was bailed out by our government. I was going to buy from a manufacturer that’s standing on their own — win, lose or draw. That’s what America is about, is taking the chance to succeed and understand when you feel that you got to pick yourself up and go back to work. Ford is that company for me.

    Damned right, Social Security and Medicare are entitlements. And damned right the people who pay for them are entitled to what was promised them in return. ~ Joan McCarter, DailyKos

    by anyname on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 05:35:45 PM PDT

  •  2012 elections (9+ / 0-)

    Okay here is the way it is going to go in 2012.

    perry will be elected to president.

    There will be a republican super majority in the house and senate.

    At this point the following will be shut down.
        education dept
        social security
        all banking regs
        the fed
        planned parenhood
        all unions
        minimum wage.

    they might ever try to outlaw all religions except christian evangelical but that might be reach even for them.  

    When people stop getting their checks and medical help you might see some blow back but the government has the guns so that won't go far.  Get used to it folks, you voted for it.  

  •  Ron Paul08 Campaign Manager, 49 Dies w/o Insurance (7+ / 0-)

    Dies broke, from pnuemonia at age 49

    There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

    by bernardpliers on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 05:44:41 PM PDT

    •  Had pneumonia, insurance may have saved my life (6+ / 0-)

      Had my own encounter with it at about that age.

      I was told by the doctor that many fatalities are otherwise healthy men in their 40's & 50's who push off getting care until they have trouble breathing. By the time pneumonia has put you in the emergency room, it's too late.

      I had good insurance and so was able to get myself checked out (hey, it's just a cough!) without having to worry about expense. Imagine my shock when it took the doc 20 seconds to diagnose my pneumonia. My insurance, and the inexpensive course of antibiotics, may have saved my life.

      Mere passive citizenship is not enough. Men must be aggressive for what is right if government is to be saved from men who are aggressive for what is wrong. - Robert M. LaFollette

      by stcroix cheesehead on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 06:42:23 PM PDT

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  •  Kill coal power plants? (3+ / 0-)
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    The "came into the state" and killed AT LEAST one child. And corporations are people. Hard to find the vein, though.

    "You can't run a country by a book of religion. Dumb all over, a little ugly on the side." Frank Zappa

    by Uosdwis on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 05:53:14 PM PDT

  •  According to Conservative Pundit, George Will, (6+ / 0-)

    during Sunday talking head TV, the Tea Party isn't a cult of any stripe.  It's THE "establishment" Republican Party.

    By default.

    What that means is no one in the Republican Party will do anything to derail or oppose the probable nomination of Rick Perry.  The "establishment" Tea Party (the establishment Republican Party is dead) truly believes it can beat Obama with him.  Wonder who the Tea Party VP nominee will be.

    Readers & Book Lovers Pull up a chair! You're never too old to be a Meta Groupie

    by Limelite on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 05:53:38 PM PDT

    •  yes, Virginia, there is a Republican Establishment (3+ / 0-)
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      despite what that George Will says, and it's where the money comes from.

      The Tea Party isn't anything other than plain old fashioned right wing Republican reactionaries who overwhelmingly support the kind of Old Testament-style retribution that Texas seems to stand for, and who rail against and dislike government only when it has a (D) in front of it.

      When or if a Republican wins the white house in 2012, the tea party will disappear like a morning fog by 10 am the morning after the election.

  •  violence, cruelty (6+ / 0-)

    Evil: Inside Human Violence and Cruelty

    In this open-minded, provocative, unsettling inquiry into the causes of evil, Baumeister rejects the entrenched view that low self-esteem causes violence and aggression.

    On the contrary, he argues, violent or evil people tend to have highly favorable opinions of themselves, and cross the line to commit immoral, hurtful acts when they feel their egotism is threatened by others.

    Among the root causes of evil he identifies are ambition, desire for power or wealth, misplaced idealistic adherence to a creed or doctrine and sadistic pleasure.

    Damned right, Social Security and Medicare are entitlements. And damned right the people who pay for them are entitled to what was promised them in return. ~ Joan McCarter, DailyKos

    by anyname on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 05:55:26 PM PDT

  •  culture of cruelty (5+ / 0-)
    Entertainment and politics now converge in ways that fundamentally transform how we understand and imagine politics in the current historical moment - a moment when the central issue of getting by is no longer about working to get ahead but struggling simply to survive. And many groups, which are considered marginal because they are poor, unemployed, people of color, elderly or young, have not just been excluded from "the American dream," but have become utterly redundant and disposable, waste products of a society that no longer considers them of any value.
    How else to explain the zealousness in which social safety nets have been dismantled, the transition from welfare to workfare (offering little job training programs and no child care) and recent acrimony over health care reform's public option? What accounts for the passage of laws that criminalize the behavior of the 1.2 million homeless in the United States, often defining sleeping, sitting, soliciting, lying down or loitering in public places as a criminal offense rather than a behavior in need of compassionate goodwill and public assistance? Or, for that matter, the expulsions, suspensions, segregation, class discrimination and racism in the public schools, as well as the more severe beatings, broken bones and damaged lives endured by young people in the juvenile justice system?
    Within this politics, there is a ruthless and hidden dimension of cruelty, one in which the powers of life and death are increasingly determined by punishing apparatuses, such as the criminal justice system for poor people of color and/or market forces that increasingly decide who may live and who may die.
    But there is more. The growing dominance of a right-wing media forged in a pedagogy of hate has become a crucial element providing numerous platforms for a culture of cruelty. This form of cultural pedagogy is increasingly characterized by more than a breach of civility. It also registers without apology and legitimizes a hostility towards immigrants, a barely disguised racism, a contempt for the poor and almost anyone supportive of the social contract and the welfare state.

    America's Culture of Cruelty

    Damned right, Social Security and Medicare are entitlements. And damned right the people who pay for them are entitled to what was promised them in return. ~ Joan McCarter, DailyKos

    by anyname on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 05:57:06 PM PDT

  •  While I agree (3+ / 0-)

    with everything in this diary, I wonder why, on the same grounds, more liberals aren't bothered by the drone bombings that Obama orders, and that he knows will end up killing lots of--not just suspected "militants"--but also the civilians around them.

    Regarding this statement:

    Now, one could say that Gov. Perry is simply performing his duty to the justice system, but most human beings would lose sleep over the thought of signing the warrant that will make another man die. Gov. Perry is not one of those human beings.

    Is President Obama?

    I ask this as someone who voted for him (and campaigned for him).  But this is the main reason I would not do so again.  I don't believe liberals should check our human-rights principles at the party door.

    •  Yes, President Obama loses... (5+ / 0-)
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      r2did2, collardgreens, QuoVadis, drmah, Matt Z

      sleep over military deaths in the middle east, he has said so several times.

      "The United States will not be able to dictate the pace and scope of this change. Only the people of the region can do that. But we can make a difference." 3/28/11

      by BarackStarObama on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 06:11:46 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Yes, OUR military. (0+ / 0-)

        I've never heard him say that about the "militants" our drones kill, let alone the civilians.

        •  You mean the militants such as... (0+ / 0-)

          al Qaeda operatives?  He should be proud of killing those bastards... their sole goal is to kill us.  The innocent civilians killed is tragic for sure.  For perspective, the Allies in WWII killed 600,000 civilians in Germany during the bombing raids, and almost that many civilians in Japan with napalm, something that is never talked about.

          "The United States will not be able to dictate the pace and scope of this change. Only the people of the region can do that. But we can make a difference." 3/28/11

          by BarackStarObama on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 06:38:27 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  Am I the only one here... (7+ / 0-)

    Did anyone else get sick to their stomach reading this diary?  What is going to happen to this country if these dickwads happen to find a way to get control of our political system?

    I know this reference isn't usually liked on Kos....but these teapartiers are pretty comparable to that lunatic bunch in Germany about 70 years ago (give or take).  I'm not even gonna call the name.

    Whatta GREAT diary.  I'll bet a whole lot of teeth were clenching while they read what Dante wrote here.

    - If you don't like gay marriage, blame straight people. They're the ones who keep having gay babies.

    by r2did2 on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 06:08:09 PM PDT

    •  You're not the only one. (0+ / 0-)

      They - the teahadists - are not the Sturmabteilung (the SA, Hitler's original Brownshirts).  That's what we're missing so far - thank the creator.

      I see similarities between the german industrialists that supported Hitler and those who are supporting the tea party.

      What happened in Germany is not unique. It is universal to the human experience, and I believe can, under the right circumstances, be reproduced in any society. Forget Godwin's Law. That's been repealed.

      Mere passive citizenship is not enough. Men must be aggressive for what is right if government is to be saved from men who are aggressive for what is wrong. - Robert M. LaFollette

      by stcroix cheesehead on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 06:58:46 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  I'm afraid if your dickwads get control of WH and (0+ / 0-)

      both houses of Congress we won't see another free  election.  Already Republicans are putting is so many restrictions on voters that by the time they take control, Democrats will have no podssiblity of regaining seats in any election.  

      •  You'll still see "elections" (1+ / 0-)
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        but they will mean nothing, since only fully vetted candidates will be allowed to be nominated. The only "choice" will be between Tweedledumb and Tweedledumber. The Party had this down to a science... the Communist Party in the old Soviet Union.

        If it's
        Not your body
        Then it's
        Not your choice
        AND it's
        None of your damn business!

        by TheOtherMaven on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 06:39:11 PM PDT

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  •  Countdown to claims that the death (1+ / 0-)
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    cheerleaders were liberal plants to begin in 3... 2... 1...

  •  Doublethink Extraordinaire... (0+ / 0-)

    I don't know why they pointy little heads don't EXPLODE...

    -9.00, -5.85
    If only stupidity were painful...

    by Wintermute on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 06:16:39 PM PDT

  •  Word on the street (0+ / 0-)

    has it that Satan is being sued for damages.

    Allegedly, Satan has been caught steeling evil, hate, death and suffering from the tea party, and Republicans. One anonymous police detective close to the case says that Satan was quoted saying, "I am only taking what is rightfully mine."

    Not to be outdone, rumor is that Satan is countersuing for a yet to be determined amount. The countersuit is against the Republican and tea parties.

    An anonymous source says that "Satan is pissed to hell that his territory has been encroached and further states that Republicans and tea party members having been taking more evil, hate, death and suffering at an alarming rate that will render him unemployed with no purpose left."

    When asked for a response to the countersuit, spokeman Rick Perry just laughed and said "the devil is in the details," but would not elaborate, except to say he had to "kill something," then left in a hurry.

    Another item related to all this, is the now confirmed report that Mr. Grim Reaper was laid off last week from his employment with Satan because of a large downturn in business. The Republican party quickly hired Mr. Reaper to a long term contract.    

    "The greater the ignorance, the greater the dogmatism." Sir William Osler

    by wxorknot on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 06:18:24 PM PDT

  •  What Jesus said? "Hang em high and let em die" (6+ / 0-)

    according to that bloodthirsty Teabagger crowd at the last "debate." Roger Simon wrote "The Mob takes a seat" at He started with "I love the smell of bloodlust in the evening." Being a human being, he decried the mob mentality at that gathering, comparing them to those who used to gloat at public hangings, burnings and the like.

    What scares me is the comments, at least the ones I read, which were supportive of the Teaparty mob bloodlust (in their own church lady superiority) and highly critical of Simon.

    This country is starting to make me sick.

  •  The right wing just ignore Christ's teachings (2+ / 0-)
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    Having been raised a Catholic, I didn't get a whole lot of intense Bible study, until high school required a year of both Old and New Testament. I'm no Bible scholar, but what I see in the Old Testament is a huge set of rules and regulations; and in the New, Christ's philosophy of love and peace. Our Lord specifically asks us to take care of the less fortunate and to treat each other with love, peace and compassion (how we would want to be treated). Christ also told us that those without sin may throw the first stone.

    As an adult I have seen a shift in Christianity to include violent opposition to abortion and the embrace of capital punishment.  I am struck that our politics has collided with our 'morality' in such a violent way; that we have deranged citizens killing abortion doctors, being excused by many of murder since they killed a baby killer. And, those same forgivers of murder regularly clamor for the death penalty to be executed on the guilty as fast as possible.

    How can a person call themselves a follower of Christ have such an illogical opinion about death, through abortion and by state sanctioned homicide? The most fervent Christians I have seen in the last 40+ years must not realize in their hypocritical desire for justice, they destroy their own credibility. How could a rational human claim to be a follower of Christ and just ignore Mt 25:40? How can, in a desire to share salvation, these Christians ignore Christ's teachings about His new rules for conduct?

  •  Tea Party hell, it is a Death Party. And they (3+ / 0-)
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    would probably prefer that we called it that rather than call them tea baggers.  After all, the term "tea baggers" refer to sex, which indirectly is associated with life.

  •  Wait...weren't they "pro life"? (0+ / 0-)

    "Corruptio Optimi Pessima" (Corruption of the best is the worst)

    by zenox on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 06:46:31 PM PDT

  •  "¡Viva la Muerte!" (2+ / 0-)
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    QuoVadis, Damnit Janet

    was a slogan of Franco's movement. I never thought we'd see even fascists in the US come so close to adopting it. (

    Michael Weissman UID 197542

    by docmidwest on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 07:03:00 PM PDT

  •  Teapartiers wouldn't pay (5+ / 0-)

    for anyone, man woman, or child, who was uninsured and gravely ill. So much for pro-life.

    Which just goes to prove that the right-to-life attacks on legal abortion in this country are really not about caring for the unborn, the newly born, or the not so recently born. It's about controlling women's sexuality.

    "Even in the valley of the shadow of death, two and two do not make six." Leo Tolstoy

    by Miss Pip on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 07:06:20 PM PDT

  •  that's just how "pro-lifers" are nt (0+ / 0-)

    "The existence of a good thing is no evidence of its being enjoyed by the working class." ~ Daniel DeLeon

    by ActivistGuy on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 07:21:59 PM PDT

  •  Lebensunwertes Leben (0+ / 0-)

    "life unworthy of life".  From the ultimate death cult of the last century.

  •  Great diary and truthfully put. (0+ / 0-)

    This should be one of our top 3 talking points.

    "Put on your high-heeled sneakers/it's Party time" - Steely Dan.

    by rainmanjr on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 09:08:24 PM PDT

  •  Violence and Death (0+ / 0-)

    are deeply ingrained in Teabagger culture.

  •  No Money? Just Die! (0+ / 0-)

    I think the whole point of the TEA Party's position is to value money over caring for those less fortunate.  Greed is "virtue" they promote.

  •  soylent green is people. EOM (0+ / 0-)
  •  I think I disagree slightly. (0+ / 0-)

    The people you are describing are deprivators.  Oddly enough, although deprivation of rights is punishment for crime and deprivation of rights under cover of law (criminal behavior by an agent of law enforcement) "deprivators," the people who actually deprive are not in the dictionary. (I haven't checked the OED).

    Anyway, punitive people are deprivators and deprivation is what modern conservatives are about. Instead of considering deprivation of rights as appropriate punishment for crime (which is unlawful deprivation itself), conservatives consider deprivation to be the norm and any relief has to be earned.  Ergo the widely accepted "no free lunch."

    Why are conservatives into deprivation?  There's really no other explanation except that's how they get their jollies.  Deprivators take pleasure in other people's injury and failure.  Which is why I say they're not into death.  If death results, the hurt stops.  Fortunately, it's not just the troops that are fungible.  As long as people keep reproducing, there will be victims on whom they can inflict hurt, both physical and psychological.  The cheering at the mention of execution was aimed to hurt not the executed, but the empathetic people whose outrage they could trigger.  Deprivators like to make people angry.

    Why do we let them?  Fixating on death doesn't leave much time for dealing with hurt.  Besides, the mental make-up of deprivators is not well understood, even though it is quite familiar.  Who hasn't had a relative or teacher or superior who routinely claims, "this hurts me more than it's hurting you"?  Liberals take such a statement as the truth and try their darndest not to be responsible for inflicting more hurt on that conservative/punitive/deprivator.

    Conservatives are jealous of other people's success and take (fleeting) pleasure in their failure.

    by hannah on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 02:47:41 AM PDT

  •  It takes balls to execute an innocent man? (0+ / 0-)

    Now that says it all.  This is representative of teabagger mentality.  It's a sociopath point of view and tells me they would be perfectly happy in a government that executes alot of people.  The problem is that one day, it may be them!

    "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Rianne Eisler

    by noofsh on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 04:34:35 AM PDT

  •  Theory: Look for the nexus... (0+ / 0-)

    What I'd be curious to find out is whether there's a correlation between the "let 'em die" crowd and that other crowd; those among the teabagger types who see themselves as "above" provisioning even themselves with private insurance; a sort of "my-doctrinal-purity-divinely-protects-me-from-the-medical-contingencies-that-afflict-liberal-wimp-asses" types.

    I've known more than a few of these folks: They balk at the indignity of being required by even their corporate personnel departments to pay the cut-rate group insurance provided by their companies.

    In short: I'd very curious to know, for instance, if the very guy who hollered the loudest--almost drowning out Ron Paul--forgoes insurance himself; and could tomorrow be in the very same boat as the hypothetical comatose guy described by Wolf.

    I think that would be something to look into.

    Isn't it a good feeling when you see the paper in the morning, it says 'Axe Slayer Kills 19' and you say, "They can't pin that one on me!" - Jean Shepherd

    by razajac on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 10:39:42 AM PDT

  •  Anybody remember DEMOCRAT Richard D. Lamm? (0+ / 0-)

    Gee, what a short memory we all have!  Else we'd all remember the Democratic Party from a couple of decades ago:

    The real logical wonder here is people who prefer one thief stealing everything they have over another, just because they identify politically with one (even if he's stealing ten for one of the other guy).

    "Whom the gods would destroy, they first make insane."

  •  Oh, and by the way . . . (0+ / 0-)

    The first U.S. law to require vaccination (for small pox) was passed in 1809 in Massachusetts.  In 1922, deciding a case filed by a girl excluded from a public school (and later a private school) in San Antonio, San Antonio, Texas, the Supreme Court found school immunization requirements to be constitutional.

  •  My jaw dropped... (0+ / 0-)

    ' "...when I read that quote, "It takes balls to execute an innocent man?"


    Cranky authoritarian bastards, aren't they?

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