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     If you're not suffering enough yet, you can always turn on a conservative talk radio show. Rush, Sean, Michael - they're always ready to harsh your pin-headed Liberal Hippie mellow with lies, slander, and hate speech 24/7. It's what they and the rest of that crowd do. (It's what they're paid rather well to do, in fact. College degree optional.)

      When they're not ranting about the Librul Menace destroying Ammurika, when they're not patting themselves on the back for being so brilliant and wise, when they're not trying to sell gold, some bogus health cure or other useless service, they occasionally take phone calls from listeners. You can have a very pleasant call - just agree with everything they say, thank them for the job they're doing, and join them in condemning everything on the left. Keep in mind that jumping-off point keeps getting farther to the extreme right every day. Richard Nixon is a flaming liberal by their standards, and Reagan is suspect, though they'll never admit it.

      If you want to disagree with them though, good luck. Expect no mercy, and no respect. Patronizing sorrow over your obtuseness is the best you can hope for from them; screaming rage is very likely. If you've ever thought of calling in to try and inject some sanity, good luck - and be prepared. (more, including some talking points over the jump at the bottom.)

        If you call in, remember this: they're not interested in the truth, the facts, or having an honest debate. They're there to create a world view in their listeners that reinforces their belief system, gives them an 'official' slant on everything that's happening in the world, and places the blame for everything that's going wrong specifically on their enemies: Democrats, liberals, the U.N., the liberal media, Big Government, Obama, socialism, etc. etc.

       Enemies are critical to their understanding of the world - because they're never wrong about anything, things going badly can only be the work of bad people working against them. (It's an authoritarian thing - keep your followers under control by strictly drawing up Us versus Them lines - and make sure they toe that line.) Remember - if you call in and they sense you're not with them, they'll be against you.

       Remember too that they're good at what they do: peddling lies, demonizing enemies, pushing propaganda. They can talk quickly and smoothly, without any hint of doubt or uncertainty. They'll talk rings around you, ridicule you, shout you down - and cut off your call if you seem to be scoring points. They're professionals and that is their job.

      What can you do? Here's some basics if you're going to call in.

• DON'T call while driving, of course. You'll need your full attention. Plus Road Rage is never a good idea - and driving while talking on the phone is illegal in many places.

• Calls are screened. Getting on the air is a matter of convincing the screeners that letting you through is going to be good for them. Judging by some calls I've heard, they'll be glad to let you through as a liberal caller IF you sound semi-coherent, drunk, like one of 'those people' and so on. Anything to reinforce stereotypes in other words. It helps if you can identify the radio station you're listening to, and you can make them think you'll contribute something on whatever the diatribe of the moment is, though you may have to talk around it in general terms. Be polite and calm.

• Stay focused. If there are points you want to make on a specific issue, rehearse them if you can before calling, even keep them handy to refer to while you're on the line. If they realize where you're going on an issue, they'll try to throw you off stride by interrupting you or throwing some stock insult at your position. If they can make you look like an idiot or get you to contradict yourself, they will. And, they'll try to twist your remarks into their standard frame for that issue. Listen ahead of time, so you'll know how they're likely to respond. Don't make their job easy for them. It helps if you can cite sources they can't easily attack - like "If climate change is a hoax, why are insurance companies raising their rates to get ready for it? If there's plenty of oil out there, why is the Pentagon investing millions of dollars in alternative energy?" Then have specifics to back them up.

• Facts are good... IF they're short, simple, and can fit into the narrative you're trying to create. Facts alone are not enough to change minds or make points - you have to package them in ways that reach people's emotions, that they can see in terms of their own lives. On deficits for example, don't just talk numbers or percentages. Try something like: "You know, the only president in the last 40 years to balance the budget and start paying down the national debt was Bill Clinton. Maybe instead of trying to impeach him, the Republicans should have tried to learn from him, because they sure haven't been able to." (At that point, it might be a good idea to say thanks and goodbye, so you can end on a strong note.)

• Be prepared to be cut off at any moment. They won't hesitate to do so if you're getting your points across and making sense. Be short, be concise, be clear - because you may only get one shot. IF you can do it well enough, the radio host may well descend into an incoherent rage in any case. Rage is a reflex with them, so don't be rattled by it. If you think you've made your point, don't be hesitant to disengage and hang up. (Something along the lines of "Well, I think I've made my point here, so I'll hang up now while you try to talk your way around it. Thanks, and have a good day.)

• Be centered. If you're going to phone into the lion's den, try not to let them hear you sweat. Concede nothing unless your concession takes back more than it gives. Be polite - but don't take any B.S. in return. You can be angry or upset as long as you remain in control - regular listeners to the show will be used to self-righteous indignation; genuine indignation can work for you if you do it convincingly. Do NOT use profanity - but be prepared to laugh at their bluster. They love to ridicule, but they can't take it.

• You'll never know who your words will reach, or where they'll end up. The whole point of the right wing media complex is to control the messaging on every issue, restrict it to the frames they've set up, and drown out any opposing voices. If you can break those frames, if you can make people stop and think, you're making a difference. The other side of that coin is, you can get cut to ribbons, and set your cause back. If you're going to try this, make sure you give it your best shot.

• Be ready to throw a few harpoons - bumper sticker rhetoric if you like. A few quick zingers and one-liners can go far, if they're good enough and pointed enough - and relate to your message. Here's a few off the top of my head.

Saying the rich create jobs is like saying the stork brings babies. It's a nice story with nothing to back it up.

Why is it the same people who insist government can't do anything right are always so eager to have it go to war?

Democrats try to have a record they're not afraid to run on while Republicans generally have a record they try to run from. (Insert names here if you wish.)

Comparing Bush to Obama and asking why things haven't gotten better yet is like an engineer handing off a train wreck to his successor and then complaining that the train's behind schedule.

When Republicans complain about job-killing regulations, they're really defending people-killing profits.

The simplest way to tell when a conservative radio host is trying to sucker you is to find out when their program airs.

A Republican is someone who believes you can never be too rich, too thin - or too stupid to be president.

Republicans hate the EPA because they believe in the right to dump their garbage over the fence into your yard.

Bush came into office out of disputed election with a budget surplus, a booming economy, and a country at peace. Obama came into office on a popular mandate facing two wars, an economic melt-down, and budget deficits bigger than Texas. This somehow proves it's a mistake to put Democrats in charge.

Letting Republicans run the government is like putting Atheists in charge of a church. They don't believe in it, don't care if it works - and they take no responsibility for the results.

FOX NEWS is to the truth what Kryptonite is to Superman.

A conservative is someone who fears the power of Big Government - but has no problem with the power of Big Money.

When it comes to the economy, the Republicans and the White House have been like a couple of guys on a two man bicycle. The guy in front has been pedaling as hard as he can to get them up a steep hill while dodging potholes. The guy in back's contribution has been to sit on the brake while complaining about the view.

What's the difference between conservative talk radio and terrorists? Both of them inspire fear and anger in their target audiences - but talk radio pays better.

Conservatives are shooting themselves in the foot when they try to stop the government from investing in clean energy companies. Where else are they going to get new jobs to ship overseas?

A conservative is someone who thinks it's a waste to spend a few hundred million to develop renewable energy - but perfectly sensible to give billions in tax breaks to highly profitable oil companies so we can spend trillions to buy oil from countries that don't like us.

The big reason China is spending billions to develop green energy technology is because they can no longer count on the U.S. doing it so they can steal it and sell it back to us.

Conservatives DO have a plan to reform Medicare and Social Security - work till you die, and if you get sick, die quickly.

The difference between Ayn Rand and Michael Moore is this - nobody goes to see her movies, and they have to give her books away. The market has spoken!

Republicans are pro-life until birth - then you're on your own. Shorter version: Live Free And Die!

Class Warfare is the charge the rich use to denounce attempting to defend the middle class from them.

Conservatives believe government should handle disasters like hurricanes and floods like any other act of God - with prayer, contrition, and robbing from Peter's college aid money to pay for Paul's FEMA trailer. As for disasters caused by corporations like oil spills, ditto. And why not? To conservatives, corporations ARE God.

The difference between the modern Republican Party and a religious cult is that cults generally have charismatic leaders, while Republicans have to make do with Grover Norquist and Karl Rove.

The Republican definition of voter fraud is ... voting for Democrats. They will do whatever it takes to make it impossible.

The Republican answer to prevent voter fraud is to rig the elections ahead of time.

Asking bankers to regulate themselves is like asking a hungry five year old to guard a cookie jar - they just can't help themselves.

Democrats worry about getting people into Heaven; Republicans worry the fires of Hell aren't hot enough.

How can you tell when a Liberal is making sense? The conservative talk show host cuts them off and goes into a hissy fit.

Republicans are always happy to give Democrats credit - IF they can sucker them into buying a bill of goods with it.

There has to be a better use for money than just letting rich people sit on it.

The only alternative energy conservatives believe in is snake oil.

   That should give you some ideas. If anyone has anything else to offer, put in a comment. We have people at Kos who've called into talk radio with some success, some who've been interviewed on radio, host shows of their own, and so forth. If you've got relevant experience and advice to share, please do so. If you're not ready to take on a conservative radio show but would like to, one way to ease into it is to find a talk show without a preset bias. You may find them at college radio stations, public radio, and elsewhere. If people have shows they listen to that meet this description, please put them in comments as well.

Meanwhile, on the theme of radio...


Originally posted to xaxnar on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 06:51 AM PDT.

Also republished by Subversive Agitation Team Action Network, Letters to the Editor, and Community Spotlight.

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    •  I listen to talk radio to keep myself (13+ / 0-)

      VERY awake during long drives in wide open country - you know, places I won't actually be in traffic. Otherwise, I'd be dangerous.

      Good for you for myth busting. Some great one liners up there.

    •  One other tip - the seven second delay (16+ / 0-)

      Whatever point you're trying to make needs to be put in such a way that it makes it past the seven second delay.  Almost all call-in talk shows operate on a seven second delay, so if you say something (at the end of your call, or even in mid-call) that might fluster the host, they just cut you off and whatever you said in that seven second window doesn't make it on the air, whether you're still connected on the phone or not.

      Tea Party manifesto: We're resigned to our collective fate because we don't want no stinkin' collective future with the likes of you

      by Richard Cranium on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 10:08:55 AM PDT

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    •  sadly, the poll pts out why we're in this disaster (6+ / 0-)

      the right wing's best weapon by far, and most essential one, is almost totally ignored by the people it is designed to attack 24/7.

      it's as if every day the think tanks and their scripted blowhards stand up on every corner and stump in the country and scream liberals and their families and their ideas are shit and treasonous. and the collective left just walks on by with their iPods in their ears.

      there is NO organized challenge to the alternative reality they get to pound into the ears of 50 mil a week, protected by call screeners and reinforced by paid callers.

      Progressives will lose all major messaging battles until they picket the limbaugh/hannity megastations and boycott those stations' local sponsors.

      by certainot on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 10:39:26 AM PDT

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      •  Can't boycott what you don't listen to (1+ / 0-)
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        "No special skill, no standard attitude, no technology, and no organization - no matter how valuable - can safely replace thought itself."

        by xaxnar on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 11:24:34 AM PDT

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        •  boycott local sponsors that pay station overhead (5+ / 0-)

          it doesn't take much listening to get a few numbers to call.

          very few will defend the blowhards and many are shocked to get complaints- they've never heard  them before

          some i've talked with switched

          in blue communities this could be very effective if more people did it- and i might not take a lot

          Progressives will lose all major messaging battles until they picket the limbaugh/hannity megastations and boycott those stations' local sponsors.

          by certainot on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 11:43:11 AM PDT

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          •  Yes, very good point. If they are spending money (2+ / 0-)
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            to advertise on a program and are getting negative feedback because of it , they will quickly realize that their advertising dollars are having a complete reverse affect to what they want .

            •  If you look at the poll results here... (0+ / 0-)

              It's pretty clear that radio stations running right wing radio are driving away a big chunk of potential listeners. And not just any listeners - how much disposable income do we have, what kind of goods do we like to buy? We're not going to get it from their advertisers if we can help it.

              "No special skill, no standard attitude, no technology, and no organization - no matter how valuable - can safely replace thought itself."

              by xaxnar on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 08:06:10 PM PDT

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              •  but RW radio is where much of america gets traffic (0+ / 0-)

                weather and local news and they have shown they only need a minority to enable politicians and media to take the money.

                a well-misinformed well coordinated minority is all it takes to enable this shit if no one gets in their face.

                market forces haven't been working here- it is a monopoly and overall they aren't selling restaurant food and penile enhancement formula, they're selling war and deregulation and tax breaks. but those stations need local sponsors for legitimacy and to pay overhead- to be the pillars of local society, to deserve to be able to broadcast the local sports teams.

                Progressives will lose all major messaging battles until they picket the limbaugh/hannity megastations and boycott those stations' local sponsors.

                by certainot on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 09:03:39 PM PDT

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  •  I've managed to get on a local Conservative (20+ / 0-)

    Lifestyle & Business radio show a few times in the past. And trust me this show was conservative, however, if one brought up the facts with cited sources they would be gracious about it.

    The key is being civil and having your facts in order. Not all conservative talk shows are rabid ideologues, especially local shows. And the satisfaction of pointing out the facts over the air is somewhat intoxicating. Just don't let it go to your head.

    •  One of our local shows is hosted by "Brownie" (4+ / 0-)

      as in "Heckofajob Brownie".  The Clear Channel station is the one with the major sports teams, the University of Colorado sports as well as Fox News and is the most listened to station in the metro area.  We don't get a break there, anyway.

      That said, perhaps I should have answered to the poll "I listen as much as I can stand" but since that is perhaps five minutes every six months, I figured that the more appropriate answer was "can't stand, don't listen".

      •  he reaches 38 states at night, CU should be shamed (2+ / 0-)
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        for endorsing KOA and limbaugh and all that racism and global warming denial, with it's sports.

        there needs to be a petition.....

        Progressives will lose all major messaging battles until they picket the limbaugh/hannity megastations and boycott those stations' local sponsors.

        by certainot on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 10:44:06 AM PDT

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    •  Facts (1+ / 0-)
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      The most impressive callers are the one who cite facts, cite the source of their facts and have a preferably neutral source of their facts.

      Then they insist that the blowhard host cite sources for their factual (mis)representations.

      "Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove." P.G. Wodehouse

      by gsbadj on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 10:34:50 AM PDT

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  •  What I'd love to see (19+ / 0-)

    happen is Progressive orgs like MoveOn and DFA pooling precious contributions to buy up small radio/tv stations and billboards in relatively low-cost rural media markets.
    Then we'd need to craft the progressive message in language that rural regressives can understand, and deliver it through spokespeople that can best appeal to their mentality.

    Contributing money to buy ad space on wingnut-owned media is simply financing the enemy, as well as throwing good money after bad. Urban media markets are very expensive, and since they're already pretty blue, it gets expensive to preach to the choir. Owning our own media outlets in rural red states is the best bang for the buck, and it's counter-productive to speak to rural voters in urban language. Putting our money into radio in rural states seems like the best route to go to build a filibuster-proof Senate.

    Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

    by drewfromct on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 08:36:21 AM PDT

    •  Hmm, not a bad idea. (3+ / 0-)
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      I wonder if there's some liberal billionaire willing to go for it. The trouble is, conservative stations in rural areas struggle to pay the bills. I've listened to many in my travels and the stuff they do when Rush, Hannity et al aren't on is pretty awful.

      It is ignorance which is hopeless.

      by IdeaTipper on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 09:34:08 AM PDT

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      •  We can't depend (5+ / 0-)

        on a single Buffet or Soros to come through for us every time. If a million Democrats were to invest $100 each, we could be well on our way to owning a small chain of rural media outlets.

        What we need is a real "Liberal Media" just like we're so constantly accused of having. Get that, and the wingnuts will be rioting in the streets for re-instatement of the Fairness Doctrine. At that point we'll be halfway home.

        Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

        by drewfromct on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 10:11:06 AM PDT

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        •  Problem with 'Liberal' radio stations: (4+ / 0-)

          Most liberals don't need to have the same information packed into our heads 24/7

          We hear the facts once, we understand them, and then we move on.

          Faux 'News' and their radio spawn repeat the same 'facts' over and over ad nauseum until even the most intellectually challenged, knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing cretin of a conservative can eloquently spout out today's talking points when confronted by a liberal.

          While I would love to have a true 'liberal' station of any kind, I really don't think you could fill the 24 (or even 12) hour schedule with enough fresh material to keep us interested.  On a slow day for Hannity, he can just drum up some Birther shit and spend the next 3 hours on that topic.

          •  It's not for US (7+ / 0-)

            You seem to have missed the point. It's not about preaching to the choir. It's about spreading the Progressive message in deep red wingnut territory in language they can understand and, delivered by spokespeople that they can relate to.

            For starters, just imagine a cowboy preacher talking about how the Bible frowns on usury, leading into a rant against Wall St banksters who borrow from the Fed at 0% and then charge 30% on credit card interest. Or a fisherman talking about how pollution makes salmon scarce.

            We need to counter 30+ years of wingnut propaganda, and we can't do that by pitching our message to folks who already believe it. Nor can we even begin to do so buy paying good money to rent time on wingnut-owned stations.

            The first step to taking back the agenda is by literally taking back the media, and the way to do it (imho, anyway) is to start small and (hopefully) cheaply in rural markets.

            Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

            by drewfromct on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 10:46:26 AM PDT

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            •  Not To Worry, It's Already Here (1+ / 0-)
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              xaxnar

              It's called "al-Jazeera English".

              Look, even some of the dumbest of the dumbshit listeners have figured it out that Rush, Hannity, etc have sold them a bill of goods. They look at their paychecks and know the truth.

              Here's one of my talking points, AJE, which actually practices journalism, and is establishing a foothold here, will be a go-to source for information in the US withing 15 years, whether it be via internet or cable. Because someone has to report the truth.

            •  You have some good ideas that (1+ / 0-)
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              are worth more discussion,  you should consider doing a diary on it.

  •  I grew up on conservative radio (8+ / 0-)

    back in the Reagan years, before it became entirely useless. It had everything to do with owning an AM clock radio during my teenage years. The last time I was limited that way was 1993, stuck in Mexico with am AM radio . . . and listened to Michael Reagan. What a blockhead.

    Tried to listen to Rush in the late 1990s, but couldn't stand the commercials. Was sensory overload that not only paid Rush's salary, but acted like brainwashing for his listeners. Good for interrupting critical thinking before it got too far.

    Rick Perry: like Nixon with better hair and worse ethics

    by rhubarb on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 08:40:05 AM PDT

  •  And now a word from our sponsor....These guys are (2+ / 0-)
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    ColoTim, MadGeorgiaDem

    all frauds.....and EVENTUALLY some GOoPster will tell Rush Limbaugh to kiss his ass....and the party will be over.

  •  Don't cast pearls (5+ / 0-)
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    before Rush Limbaugh.

    look for my eSci diary series Thursday evening. "Forgive them; for they know not what they do."

    by FishOutofWater on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 08:45:53 AM PDT

  •  Among many gems you provide, (10+ / 0-)

    I'll be using this for sure:

    Comparing Bush to Obama and asking why things haven't gotten better yet is like an engineer handing off a train wreck to his successor and then complaining that the train's behind schedule.

    The spirit of liberty is the spirit which is not too sure that it is right. -- Judge Learned Hand, May 21, 1944

    by ybruti on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 08:48:44 AM PDT

  •  I did try... (9+ / 0-)

    Once....and once was enough for me...local station talking about how my State representative Mike Pence and his desire to run for Governor.

    I was calm and polite but did let them know that I would not vote for the man...I know the man...I've met the man...

    My main concern was his poor showing on civil rights especially a strong anti-gay stance. I was armed with some facts but was hung up on, right after I said No, I won't vote for him.

    I listened to the rest of the program where those opposed were given almost the same amount of time as I while those backing him were allowed to dribble on and on about his "good qualities".

    I loved your piece and your ideas are wonderful but I will have to think about it awhile before I try again.

    Any ideas for "Letters to the Editor" ??? :)

    “Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and consciencious stupidity.” ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

    by JMoore on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 08:56:13 AM PDT

  •  Hmmmm (6+ / 0-)

    Do you have some examples of how this has worked when you've called into Rush or Sean or any of these guys?

    Mike Stark does this all the time.  Just curious what your personal experience has been.

    •  Haven't gotten through yet. (0+ / 0-)

      "No special skill, no standard attitude, no technology, and no organization - no matter how valuable - can safely replace thought itself."

      by xaxnar on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 09:08:26 AM PDT

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      •  OK (10+ / 0-)

        Let me just give my 2 cents, if it's OK.

        A lot of your advice I find to be good...especially the enumerated items at the beginning.

        But I think some of your talking points may be a little...ineffective.

        Whenever I've gotten through to one of these guys, or when I've heard an effective dissenter like Stark get through, what works are facts.  Cold, hard facts.  That you can back up and articulate effectively.  They always leave Rush, in particular, flat footed, because they usually don't have a response.  Look for some of Mike Starks diaries for many examples of this.

        In my experience what doesn't work, and in fact backfires, are these cute one liners that sound like something some campaign flak would say...the stuff about storks bringing babies, jokes about weight, kryptonite and superman, etc.  It's all just silly, doesn't really make any point at all (especially considering the audience) and the host is just able to laugh you off.  I even cringe when I hear those stupid lines come out of the WH or the Dem spin machine on MSNBC.

        But by sticking to facts, and making the host stumble for words, you do something very important...shake the listeners faith in the host's infallibility.  If some idiot liberal caller can make Rush or Sean stammer, it can make an audience member..even one...doubt what he's listening to.

        But the stupid little one liners accomplish nothing except to make you feel clever and sound stupid.

        Otherwise, I think for the most part your advice is sound.

        •  Think of them like tweets if you like (2+ / 0-)
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          ozsea1, gsbadj

          Facts are good - but not enough. Give people something short and memorable that sums up a whole bunch of facts, and they can use that short-hand tag to wrap up the whole package and take it away with them.  

          I threw the ones out above for starter ideas; I'll admit some work better than others. If you or anyone else has better ideas, please feel free to share.

          And let's face it. Republicans have been throwing around insults at the Democrats for years. It's nice to be able to have a quick rejoinder ready ahead of time rather than fuming in silence while you try to think of something.

          "No special skill, no standard attitude, no technology, and no organization - no matter how valuable - can safely replace thought itself."

          by xaxnar on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 09:44:29 AM PDT

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          •  OK (2+ / 0-)
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            But you have to remember, most anyone who listens to Rush or Sean is going to already be converted.  Think how you'd feel if you heard some clever one liner about a Dem or progressive policy.  These little jokes will just be dismissed as insults from a rude liberal.  ONLY facts work to put a chink in these guys armor.  There's a reason nothing sticks to Limbaugh and he's been around and so long.  If witty one liners and fat jokes made a difference, he'd have been off the air a long time ago.

            In any event, do what you think will be effective.  I hope you're able to get through some day to put you ideas to the test.  Good luck.

    •  Who is Mike Stark, please? (3+ / 0-)
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      Just curious.

      It is ignorance which is hopeless.

      by IdeaTipper on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 09:54:52 AM PDT

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    •  try the local RW talkers, there's a better chance (1+ / 0-)
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      to get through.

      i get through once in a while locally but they use call screening software and after going off  a few times they won't let me on unless they're desperate.

      a friend gets through regularly to make his points more civilly, but that might be because of the individual tolerance of this local blowhard.

      Progressives will lose all major messaging battles until they picket the limbaugh/hannity megastations and boycott those stations' local sponsors.

      by certainot on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 10:25:19 AM PDT

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    •  Tip for username (1+ / 0-)

      Great song from a great album.

  •  I'm the kind of person who doesn't listen. (4+ / 0-)

    I value my sanity.

    However, I do cross paths with several noted right-wing bloggers and bloviators.  I crossed paths with one over the weekend who owns his own business.  His buisiness is promoting his right-wing ideas to media outlets and major right wing publications.   Job creator?  Well, not exactly...but he's on their side!

    In the course of conversation, he actually referenced a research paper he wrote in 7th grade to tell me

      a) he's been smart for a long time;
      b) he knows....facts; and
      c) I'm being schooled by an overgrown 7th grader.

    I can't make this stuff up.  

    Thing is, I could give you his name and you could scroll through 15 Google screens before finding any critique of him--and that is embedded in a video.

    We're not firing back effective counter attacks to some of their most prolific opinion leaders.

  •  Do you have second job writing bumper stickers?? (5+ / 0-)
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    That was great.

  •  The shole exercise does not seem (0+ / 0-)

    worth the effort.  I wouldn't bother.  you are not going to change the host's position, and the chances of changeing a listeners position is 1 in 350,000,000.  So son't give your time away free to the smucks that advertise on those shows. If I am boycotting them, why would I want to call in?

    •  It's like playing the lottery (1+ / 0-)
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      jan4insight

      Just imagine if you were the caller who was able to trigger a total melt-down in say Hannity.  Squee!

      And it's good practice. If you can deal with the people who put this stuff on the air, you've got a better shot at dealing with their zombie listeners when they recite the zombie lies they've been programmed with.

      "No special skill, no standard attitude, no technology, and no organization - no matter how valuable - can safely replace thought itself."

      by xaxnar on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 09:49:30 AM PDT

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  •  One question I'd love to get out there, (5+ / 0-)

    but I don't know how to make it short and sweet enough to get through to the hamster-brained, is for the birther crowd.

    It goes like this: Okay, you mean to tell me that despite all that the God-fearing, America protecting Republicans did to keep us safe since 9/11, the Patriot Act, the warrantless wiretaps, the enhanced interrogations of the bad guys, the whole schmear, and they didn't know a terrist-luvin' muslin was waltzin' into the White House?

    So much for Republicans and defense of the country, eh?

    Disclaimer: In case anyone can't tell, the above comment is liberally laced with snark.

  •  right wins because RW radio is unchallenged (2+ / 0-)
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    great tips for an very important task

    i think people should concentrate on the local shows where, depending on the host, there may be much better chance to get heard.

    another thing to keep in mind- they use paid callers

    Progressives will lose all major messaging battles until they picket the limbaugh/hannity megastations and boycott those stations' local sponsors.

    by certainot on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 10:19:58 AM PDT

  •  I like the (1+ / 0-)
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    Republicans in charge of gov't :: Atheists in charge of Church

    analogy

    Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

    by a gilas girl on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 10:22:19 AM PDT

  •  Republished to the "Letters to the Editor" group. (3+ / 0-)
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    You gave some excellent guidelines here, and they'd be useful for many other avenues of communication as well.

    Thank you.

  •  "name anything important rush has been right about (1+ / 0-)
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    " .....bush, iraq, wall st and bank deregulation, global warming......

    i suggested that as a topic for a show and pointed out it would be a very short show- it was ignored

    Progressives will lose all major messaging battles until they picket the limbaugh/hannity megastations and boycott those stations' local sponsors.

    by certainot on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 10:32:37 AM PDT

  •  Most of those retorts are the ones that make (2+ / 0-)
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    the caller look like they are possessing a simple-minded caricature of what a conservative believes and will get dismissed and ridiculed more.

    Don't assign a motivation to them or insult such as in "A Republican is someone who believes you can never be too rich, too thin - or too stupid to be president."  This is really the worse you can do because they can dismiss you as someone whose only argument is name calling.

    The absolutely worst thing you can do is not even argue.  Just get on and say that you respect the differing political opinions because it shows debate is still healthily accepted and you know both sides are simply working towards what they honestly believe is a better world for everyone.

    This takes them puts people who live on antagonism totally out of sorts.  If you attack its easy to attack back...but if you're nice and you assign good motivations to your political opponents (tell the listeners they are good people) they will defend you if attacked.  Then you can politely disagree and the host will be in a completely no-win situation.

    Mostly though its an interesting game - the only way to win is not to play.

  •  I Don't Like My Brain Used Against Itself, (2+ / 0-)
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    so I almost never listen to conservative talk shows.

    I say "almost never," because "Meet The Press," "This Week," and most traditional media shows are seemingly too conservative for me, as they always have more conservative voices than truly liberal/progressive voices.

    My health cannot take it.

    "The market is not self-correcting, it's self-serving."

    by Ronald Singleterry on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 10:53:46 AM PDT

  •  Listening to Limbaug now (2+ / 0-)
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    Last week he said that George W. Bush should be on Mt. Rushmore.

    Now Rush is driveling on about how hard the rich have it.

    Gasoline made from the tar sands gives a Toyota Prius the same impact on climate as a Hummer using gasoline made from oil. ~ Al Gore

    by Lefty Coaster on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 11:27:01 AM PDT

  •  Before calling (0+ / 0-)

    Ask yourself why are you even listening to this crap in the first place.

  •  Years ago I used to listen to WMCA (3+ / 0-)
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    talk radio in NYC. They had liberals (Alex Bennet) and conservatives (Bob Grant).
    I thought it was good radio.

    Today, I'm physically incapable of listening to right wing radio. I think I'd rather have a hour or two of dental surgery than listen to a slob like Rush.

    Are Barack Obama and Jon Huntsman the only sane Republicans running for president in 2012?

    by al23 on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 11:39:44 AM PDT

  •  Limbaug is READING FROM D-KOS RIHGT NOW! (2+ / 0-)
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    Gasoline made from the tar sands gives a Toyota Prius the same impact on climate as a Hummer using gasoline made from oil. ~ Al Gore

    by Lefty Coaster on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 11:49:17 AM PDT

  •  This reminds me of my chat with my (2+ / 0-)
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    Republican congressman's staffers:

    "• Stay focused.  . . . If they realize where you're going on an issue, they'll try to throw you off stride by interrupting you or throwing some stock insult at your position. If they can make you look like an idiot or get you to contradict yourself, they will. And, they'll try to twist your remarks into their standard frame for that issue. . ..  It helps if you can cite sources they can't easily attack - like "If climate change is a hoax, why are insurance companies raising their rates to get ready for it? If there's plenty of oil out there, why is the Pentagon investing millions of dollars in alternative energy?" Then have specifics to back them up."

  •  If you do call (1+ / 0-)
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    MadGeorgiaDem

    Don't confuse them with fact ...they  are on a sea of
    denial.  Just give em enough to piss them off.
    They will get a headache,blood pressure thru the  roof
    and upset stomach.....you will screw their day and  they
    won't be effective the rest of the show..just unfocused and mad.

    We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

    by Vetwife on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 01:57:30 PM PDT

  •  Can I quote you on this? n/t (0+ / 0-)
  •  Thanks for My New Sig Line (4+ / 0-)
    Letting Republicans run the government is like putting Atheists in charge of a church. They don't believe in it, don't care if it works - and they take no responsibility for the results.

    Letting Republicans run the government is like putting Atheists in charge of a church. They don't believe in it, don't care if it works - and they take no responsibility for the results.

    by orangecurtainlib on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 02:33:27 PM PDT

    •  You're Welcome! (1+ / 0-)
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      I've been trying to come up with an analogy to make clear why putting government in the hands of Republicans is absurd. I think this does it pretty well, if I do say so myself.

      Ironically, it may be a reaction to listening to Rush the other day ranting about people "who think Government is God." Once you realize he's saying Republicans are "Godless", the rest follows.

      This puts what Republicans stand for in a context that can be easily grasped by anyone - and they're the ones who've supplied the framing.

      "No special skill, no standard attitude, no technology, and no organization - no matter how valuable - can safely replace thought itself."

      by xaxnar on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 04:04:17 PM PDT

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      •  I am also an athesist and can assure (1+ / 0-)
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        you I have no desire to run any churches.

        Well... maybe "buddy Jesus" .  I would ask them to love each other and take care of the least of us and stuff... I just don't anticipate any cooperation..  sigh..

        Letting Republicans run the government is like putting Atheists in charge of a church. They don't believe in it, don't care if it works - and they take no responsibility for the results.

        by orangecurtainlib on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 05:36:21 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  BTW: I really enjoyed ALL of your (1+ / 0-)
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        bumper sticker political lines and think that many, if repeated often enough could have the brainless "R's" spinning in circles.  

        Sadly, I've lately lost some of my fighting spirit, after being hippie punched from the fearless Dem leadership (make that Third Way).  

        Letting Republicans run the government is like putting Atheists in charge of a church. They don't believe in it, don't care if it works - and they take no responsibility for the results.

        by orangecurtainlib on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 05:43:23 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Don't show all your cards (2+ / 0-)
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    I've read that left leaning callers have a better chance of getting on right wing radio if they believe that their host can pick them apart in short order. Don't let on how knowledgeable you are on the subject, let them think you are an easy target.

  •  I wouldn't even bother calling. (0+ / 0-)

    Why give them the attention? Let their own butt-kissers call in. When only the fans call in the shows are (even) more boring. Seriously though, any call, any email is likely to be counted as fan mail.

    Where are all the jobs, Boehner?

    by Dirtandiron on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 03:25:55 PM PDT

  •  This is something progressives have to (1+ / 0-)
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    get better at--no joke.

    We're behind in the meming war, we've been floundering for decades. No joke. We have the best ideas, but NO talking points.

    T'd and R'd.

    It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

    by karmsy on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 04:33:14 PM PDT

  •  One problem with the local Progressive (1+ / 0-)
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    station here in Seattle that there is no local talk.  No real chance to organize local progressive groups when the politicians in Olympia go after the poor or progressive issues.
    Unlike the conservative stations that will report to the locals if the Democratic Party looks at an issue in a way that the conservatives don't like.

    America, They were yours, Honor Them, Do Not forget them-IGTNT.

    by Mr Stagger Lee on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 05:53:49 PM PDT

  •  This is one of my favorites (1+ / 0-)
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    xaxnar
    Letting Republicans run the government is like putting Atheists in charge of a church. They don't believe in it, don't care if it works - and they take no responsibility for the results.

    But this would have interesting results.

    How can you tell when a Liberal is making sense? The conservative talk show host cuts them off and goes into a hissy fit.

    Loyalty to petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul in this world--and never will. Mark Twain

    by whoknu on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 06:01:21 PM PDT

  •  Great Bumper Snicker collection! (1+ / 0-)
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    Artwork, anyone?

  •  There's Always Big Money In Fascism (1+ / 0-)
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    But I can't bear myself to listen to them. I don't think half of them really believe the shit they're saying, they're doing it for the money.

    I wonder with a lot of them, how do they ever get airtime, then I realize the answer why, and it depressed me. They're just heeding their master's call, just for a few more zeroes a year than the average servant.

  •  The Only Way to Win is Not To Play (0+ / 0-)

    I've thought about this issue over the years myself, and what I see is these hosts making liberal use of the dump button, cutting people off mid-sentence, silencing them, mocking them, and twisting whatever it is that did get cogently said into some horrible Bizarro Universe version.

    Liberals and progressives who call the show--even (or especially) well-informed, articulate ones--are caricatured and wind up being unwitting dupes used by the conservative host to further reinforce whatever the Meme of the Day happens to be.

    This is how ideology works.  It's like the Whack-A-Mole games you see at carnivals, state and county fairs, and Chuck E. Cheese's.  You smack one ridiculous logical fallacy down, only to have another spring up in its place.  It doesn't even matter if the second one directly contradicts the first.  As long as the ideology holds, all is well in the universe.  Logic has nothing whatsoever to do with it.

    The only way to "win" is not to play the game.  The deck is heavily stacked, and the effort spent waiting on the phone and rehearsing the lines would be much better spent doing virtually anything else.

    Well, that's not entirely true.  An organized, targeted boycott of a specific show's sponsors would work wonders, but we've never managed to pull that off, even though the DailyKos is a great tool to organize such a thing.  Advertisers are these shows' strengths--and their Achilles' heels.  A series of mid-to-high-level boycott take-downs could work wonders.  But we'd need to be organized and sustained.

  •  Great I can tie up a whole bunch of wingnuts (0+ / 0-)

    single-handedly at Fox by just copying and pasting faster that their miniature intellects can handle.

    Gasoline made from the tar sands gives a Toyota Prius the same impact on climate as a Hummer using gasoline made from oil. ~ Al Gore

    by Lefty Coaster on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 10:02:26 PM PDT

  •  My dad and I once (1+ / 0-)
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    had a contest -- who could listen to Rush Limbaugh the longest, and the loser had to buy the winner a six pack. We sat down and started, made fun of each other a little, and next thing I know, we're both in the kitchen working on a problem with the sink. I stopped and asked, "Hey! Who stopped listening first?" My dad couldn't remember. Apparently neither once of us held Rush Limbaugh in our heads for very long.

    That's a testimony the riveting Rush Limbaugh show.

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