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Occupy Wall Street is now the most popular protest movement in America.

Time Magazine/ABT SRBI. 10/9-10. Adults. MoE 4%.

Q8: Is your opinion of the tea party movement very favorable, somewhat favorable, somewhat unfavorable, very unfavorable, or don't you know enough about the tea party to have an opinion?

Very favorable: 8%
Somewhat favorable: 19%
Somewhat unfavorable: 9%
Very unfavorable: 24%
Don't know enough: 39%
No answer: 1%

Q: In the past few days, a group of protesters has been gathering on Wall Street in New York City and some other cities to protest policies which favor the rich, the government's bank bailout, and the influence of money in our political system. Is your opinion of these protests very favorable, somewhat favorable, somewhat unfavorable, very unfavorable, or don't you know enough about the protests to have an opinion?

Very favorable: 25%
Somewhat favorable: 29%
Somewhat unfavorable: 10%
Very unfavorable: 13%
Don't know enough: 23%
No answer: 1%

Overall, the tea party comes in with a net favorable rating of negative 6 percent, versus a net positive rating of 31 percent for Occupy Wall Street.

This survey finds a significantly more favorable view of Occupy Wall Street than other recent polling. This is likely due to the way the question was asked, in that Occupy Wall Street was described as holding several popular positions.

Even so, thus far there is a consensus among pollsters that at least a plurality of Americans view Occupy Wall Street favorably. By contrast, all recent polls have shown that at least a plurality of Americans view the tea party unfavorably.

Originally posted to Chris Bowers on Thu Oct 13, 2011 at 07:33 AM PDT.

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  •  MSM will have to start publishing the truth on OWS (9+ / 0-)

    and although they're still trying desperately to spin it against the protestors, people are catching on.  Comments on this "article" show that the scales are falling off exponentially.

    "They are the best among us." -- Hedges on #occupywallst

    by livjack on Thu Oct 13, 2011 at 08:06:25 AM PDT

  •  We got MUGGED on WALL STREET (1+ / 0-)
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    I wish I could make a sign and send it to OccupyWallStreet headquarters.  But I'm sure there's no shortage of ideas for signs there.

    The rich man's media lies. Kill your TV. Smash your radio.

    by GoogleBonhoeffer on Thu Oct 13, 2011 at 02:33:42 PM PDT

  •  And this is with the media giving the (6+ / 0-)

    teabaggers far more favorable coverage. Maybe the American public isn't as dumb as many cynics on this site think.

    If there is no accountability for those who authorized torture, we can no longer say that we are a nation of laws, not men.

    by MikePhoenix on Thu Oct 13, 2011 at 02:34:39 PM PDT

    •  Maybe not. The problem then is getting them to (1+ / 0-)
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      fucking vote.

      •  I think the (0+ / 0-)

        problem is more giving them something to vote for other then could be worse or pick your poison Goldman Sachs or the Koch Bros. Poll after poll shows what people want from the pols but instead we get deficit bs. and horrific Trade Deals passed off as job creators . People are just not this dumb that is why they are occupying and hitting the streets in solidarity. The Democratic party including Obama's administration need to fight for the people. his rhetoric does not match what he does or fights for and at this point people just aren't buying it. sure he'll beat the lunatic's on the other side but that will not stop the movement that is growing globally.  

  •  All the while (0+ / 0-)

    many in the media are working to equate the movments (ie David Letterman last(?) night).
    Way down there are some similarities (we're pissed and we're not going to take it anymore) but the differences are much more stark and prevalent.

    Chuck Grassley voted to end Medicare

    by divedeeper on Thu Oct 13, 2011 at 02:34:45 PM PDT

  •  And it's only going to get more popular, as the 39 (9+ / 0-)

    percent learn more about it and they start getting more comprehensive coverage as the Erin Burnetts and WSJ fade into the background.

    This is how you can tell the difference between astroturf and real grassroots movements. The true movements only get more popular.

  •  Just wait until the next action: "Clean the Power" (1+ / 0-)
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    will public hygiene be a NYPD pretext to stop OWS? It certainly appeals to the the RW meme (Think TX Department of Family and Protective Services) that has its roots in the social hygiene movements of earlier centuries

    Social hygiene as a profession grew alongside social work and other public health movements of the era. Social hygienists emphasized sexual continence and strict self-discipline as a solution to societal ills, tracing prostitution, drug use and illegitimacy to rapid urbanization.

    I am off my metas! Präsidentenelf-maßschach; Warning-Some Snark Above"Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03)

    by annieli on Thu Oct 13, 2011 at 02:36:35 PM PDT

    •  I think you're off base on this one. (5+ / 0-)

      The pitch is "Let the company clean this park so everyone can enjoy it!"....and of course, the idea is to edge OWS folks off  the property and never let them back in. It's got nothing to do with social hygiene, but everything to do with who controls the territory.  

      The OWS folks are reacting perfectly. "Oh, no, it would be wrong for us not to clean the park. We love it too. We want more than anyone for it to be nice for everybody! Please, no company should have to spend money to clean it, when we can clean it! Look, we brought mops and brooms!"  

      It's pretty hard to arrest someone for obstructing a cleanup with they up, LOL!

      Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

      by Sirenus on Thu Oct 13, 2011 at 03:16:44 PM PDT

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      •  same diff.... think 42nd Street before Disney (1+ / 0-)
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        It's got nothing to do with social hygiene, but everything to do with who controls the territory.

        I am off my metas! Präsidentenelf-maßschach; Warning-Some Snark Above"Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03)

        by annieli on Thu Oct 13, 2011 at 03:39:03 PM PDT

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        •  Uh, anneili, not everyone lives in New York. (0+ / 0-)

          For someone living near Fort Worth, Texas,
          "think 42nd street before Disney" is a phrase that needs to be explained a bit.

          Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

          by Sirenus on Sun Oct 16, 2011 at 09:35:45 AM PDT

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  •  Very heartening (1+ / 0-)
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    Old Gardener

    Turn your face to the sun and the shadows fall behind you.

    by chicago minx on Thu Oct 13, 2011 at 02:37:20 PM PDT

  •  Of course - we know what people wanted with "hope" (3+ / 0-)

    When the whole "hope and change" thing happened it wasn't a pile of crap.   It was what people wanted.

    Sadly, nuance the phraseology and talk about how lots got done the bottom line is that hope and change were a cry for basically progressive agenda and we got Bluedog crap.

    As a result all of the hope and change people felt disheartened but they didn't suddenly decide to like a bunch of hating racists.

    Maybe, maybe Dems will see that progressive is popular .....

    We can only hope.

    FYI - the bluedog thing is about my dog ... I'm a liberal left winger and proud of it.

    by bluedogsd on Thu Oct 13, 2011 at 02:41:52 PM PDT

  •  This pisses me off. There was never a "Tea Party". (8+ / 0-)

    It was a sham, wholly concocted in the Republican Party's pathetic excuse for a mind and portrayed as real by our failed media experiment.  

  •  thanks - cnn just put up (3+ / 0-)
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    Kinak, elwior, foresterbob

    one of their pathetic online polls breaking it down to a simple choice between the two. I've observed their polling results seem fairly believable in the first hour or two, then they often get freeped.
    I'm pleased to see this slightly more legitimate/scientific poll appear at the same time.

  •  The fact that there is always a much too large (1+ / 0-)
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    a segment who say that they "don't know enough" is a big part of the problem.

    Education of the electorate should remain the top priority in this country. Just the other day Bernie Sanders reiterated this basic fact. If the public took an awake pill they'd all be up off the couch.

    " still, and cry not aloud; for it is an unholy thing to boast over slain men." Odysseus, in Homer's Odyssey

    by Wildthumb on Thu Oct 13, 2011 at 02:42:34 PM PDT

  •  Kind of helps the Teahad tremendously (2+ / 0-)
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    opinionated, foresterbob

    that CNN is their official spokesnetwork.

    If you control enough of the media machine, reality can be moderated or massaged into something it is not.

    The GOP is single-handedly gumming up the federal government, but millions of Americans have been conned into thinking that "both sides do everything equally, both sides are equally to blame".

    The President's job plan is overwhelmingly popular, but you wouldn't necessarily know that if you get your news from basic cable.

    Hell, judging from half of the hagiographic and breathless coverage of Herman Cain lately, you'd have to be forgiven for thinking that the African-American vote might be split 50-50 between Cain and Obama if Cain is the GOP nominee. Facts and polls showing that this isn't the case be damned.  

  •  I hope they don't go "G 8" and lose that goodwill. (0+ / 0-)

    Ideology is an excuse to ignore common sense.

    by Bush Bites on Thu Oct 13, 2011 at 02:49:06 PM PDT

  •  That's a really badly worded poll (3+ / 0-)
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    The OWS question tees off with a sympathetic description of the movement while the Tea Party question just assumes you know what it is.  I would guess that lots of people who never heard about OWS just said, "great" when asked the question.  Which explains the disparity in "Don't know enough."

    This poll is playing into the manufactured controversy between the Tea Party and OWS.  Just because the same old useless media methods occasionally appear to favor the left is no excuse to pretend they're doing anything other than business as usual.

    •  I was also wondering (0+ / 0-)

      if the second question was asked directly after the other words "Do you like the tea party?"  ok now "There are some protesters down on wall street........"  

      Kinda sounds like they are talking about the same group or a spin off or something.  Just IMO

  •  "we saw large corporations really screw people" (1+ / 0-)
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    said Howard Buffett.

    Related to that other guy.

    “There has never been a larger gap between earnings in this country,” said Howard Buffett, who was in Des Moines to deliver a speech at the World Food Prize conference. “There has never been a time in my lifetime when the government is going to cut an incredible amount of programs that support poor people and feed them.”
  •  Grass is always greener than ... (2+ / 0-)
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    dilutedviking, alizard


    "The Internet is the Public Square of the 21st Century"- Sen. Al Franken

    by Kdoug on Thu Oct 13, 2011 at 02:55:10 PM PDT

  •  is it that OWS protesters aren't ignorant bigots? (3+ / 0-)
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    dilutedviking, Old Gardener, alizard

    if I talked to every protester I can be sure I wouldn't agree with every single one...because you never agree with everybody

    but there seems to be a blatant dearth of hate and bigotry

    ( for you teabaggers "dearth" means absence )

    ( for Rick Perry supporters "absence" means not being there -- P.S. absinthe is something you drink, it's not how Daffy Duck pronounces it )

    PLEASE donate to a global children's PEACE project: Chalk 4 Peace

    by RumsfeldResign on Thu Oct 13, 2011 at 02:55:53 PM PDT

    •  Speaking of racism, there's been a weird effort (1+ / 0-)
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      lately to smear the movement as having anti-semites on board, but it's nonsense and it's not going to stick.

      First, the saboteurs laughingly said "Nah. The OWS movement is silly. Won't last a week."

      Then, these same people whined "Where are your permits?" and "Think of the park grass, you barbarians!"

      Last few days, there've been random and unfounded accusations of anti-semitism.

      Any bets as to what next week's load of horseshit will be?

  •  As long as the protests remain civil I (1+ / 0-)
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    think the positve numbers will keep growing. Everybody who supports the movement should read Matt Taibis' comments in the latest issue of Rolling Stone  (Steve Jobs pic on cover shot )regarding the movements next steps forward, on what 5 key points the movement should start adopting . It was a great easy one page read.

  •  I hope the protesters stay non-violent and calm, (1+ / 0-)
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    because they are going to be evicted across the country tomorrow:

    New York - first thing in morning
    Dallas - can't get insurance, city is evicting

  •  I love it that the OWS people are planning .... (0+ / 0-)

    to show up with mops and brooms and trash bags tomorrow and clean up the park themselves, hopefully with big smile on their faces and pure innocence in their eyes. "Oh, no, officer, it would be wrong for the company who owns this space to have to spend money to clean up. We'll do it ourselves. We're glad to do it ourselves!"

    Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

    by Sirenus on Thu Oct 13, 2011 at 03:11:06 PM PDT

  •  Poorly worded question (1+ / 0-)
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    In the interest of real data, this question should be tossed.  You might as well as the following question:

    Question 1

    There's a group that gives you free ice cream and free steak whenever you want.  

    Do you have a favorable opinion of this group?

    Nate Silver would not be impressed.  TIME should be ashamed of a poorly worded leads too much.

    Let's get PPP to ask a question.  They are the top pollster, and they know how to do it...correctly.

  •  If nothing else, protestors are more attractive (1+ / 0-)
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    OWS folk are averaging out a bit younger than the Tea folks. Our people are younger, better looking and most likely, smarter. Why wouldn't the American people like them better than the Tea Party.


    by bobinson on Thu Oct 13, 2011 at 03:22:58 PM PDT

  •  OWS is not always all about republicans (1+ / 0-)
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    Old Gardener

    We have to be careful that those involved in OWS aren't just totally anti-establishment....meaning that it doesn't become an anti-incumbent/anti-politician movement.  There is a growing number of analysts/pundits that have been saying although OWS is great for the progressive movement, it's not just about anti-republicanism.  

    I kind of disagree with trying to compare the teaparty movement with OWS.  It seems they're horses of a very different color.  Kinda like comparing apples to oranges.

    - If you don't like gay marriage, blame straight people. They're the ones who keep having gay babies.

    by r2did2 on Thu Oct 13, 2011 at 03:53:08 PM PDT

  •  That's a pretty slanted question (0+ / 0-)

    If the tea party question had been asked with elaboration in concert with its members aims, or the OWS question had been asked without elaboration it would be more objective.

  •  When can I buy one of these? (0+ / 0-)

    I'd love to purchase one of these flags for in front of my house and a bumper sticker please.

  •  What Impresses Me Is... (0+ / 0-)
    39% Don't Know Enough about the Tea Party while only 23 % Don't Know Enough about OWS.

    I find that truly amazing since the tea party has been around for over 2 years now with wall to wall media coverage, while OWS has only been around for about 4 weeks and the conventional media has only been paying attention to it for a couple of weeks now.


    Hats Off to OWS alternate media.  The word is obviously being heard by the masses.

    "Some men see things as they are and ask, 'Why?' I dream of things that never were and ask, 'Why not?"

    by Doctor Who on Thu Oct 13, 2011 at 04:58:24 PM PDT

  •  Whaddya know (0+ / 0-)

    Teabag support adds up to....


    If bin Laden owned an oil company, [the GOP would] be wearing long beards and shooting at US troops in Afghanistan.-Geekesque

    by Dr Squid on Thu Oct 13, 2011 at 05:58:57 PM PDT

  •  Bunch of selfish old farts (0+ / 0-)

    against masses of forward thinking bright minded peeps?

    No contest.  

  •  39% don't know? (0+ / 0-)

    How can the tea party have a 39% "Don't know enough" about them and they've been around for a couple years, while OWS has been around for four weeks and only has a 23%?

    Me thinks some people out there have buyer's remorse about the tea party. Sure they won't come out and say they don't like them, but as my mammy used to say, if you can't say anything nice about someone, forget that you know anything about them.

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