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The City of Oakland has given #OccupyOakland an ultimatum this evening:

Oakland city officials on Friday evening told hundreds of protesters camping outside City Hall in support of the Occupy Wall Street movement to "immediately" pack up their tents and prepare to vacate the area.

The city gave official notice to the protesters, stating that they do not have permission to camp overnight on the city plaza and that their near two-week encampment is breaking the law, said Karen Boyd, a city spokeswoman.

Yesterday, the City gave an official printed notice to Vacate, saying that the park had to be cleared by 10:00 PM, which is just a few minutes ago:

As a result of these serious conditions, the Administration has determined that facilitating this expression of speech is not longer viable, nor in the interest of public health and safety.  Peaceful daytime assembly will continue to be allowed between 6:00 AM and 10L00 PM daily.  No tents or overnight camping permitted.

There are at least a 100 tents at #OccupyOakland, and, I suspect, significantly more people than that.  What will happen (or is happening) if the police move in is anyone's g uess.

Twitter reports from #OccupyOakland

occupyoakland Occupy Oakland
Text 'bayaction' to 41411 to join rapid response text loop for #OccupyOakland emergency defense! Oakland got an eviction notice 2day. Pls RT
19 minutes ago

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@Occupy_usa Oakland: No Police presence here, but many reasons to believe we will face an eviction tonight. check in:…
1 hour ago

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Call Chief of Staff Sgt. Christopher Bolton Phone: (510) 238-3131Tell them to let us be. #OccupyOakland Mayors Office: : (510) 238-3141
2 hours ago

Another report:

As Oakland police prepare to evict hundreds of Occupy Oakland protesters from their encampment in front of City Hall, some officers and city leaders say Mayor Jean Quan should have done more to prevent what they fear could become a violent confrontation.

Some protesters have discussed physically resisting officers who try to evict them, according to people who attended a meeting of demonstrators on Thursday night.

“This has just gotten totally out of hand, in terms of safety and public health. I think it could have been prevented,” said council member Larry Reid. “If anyone gets injured in that park, and the city knows of the conditions that exist, then we can be held liable, and we can be sued." ...

According to police sources, most of the eviction scenarios call for a massive officer deployment with support from nearby law enforcement agencies.

Commanders said the plans are complicated by the presence of children, mentally ill homeless people, and other individuals who may not be interested in a confrontation with police.

“You’ve got a really hardcore anti-police, anarchist presence there,” said one police officer with knowledge of the plans.

Uh, does this sound totally and completely bizarre and Orwellian, or what?

Fri Oct 21, 2011 at 10:08 PM PT: Anyone with info as to what's happening right now at the park please post in the comments.

Fri Oct 21, 2011 at 10:13 PM PT: Livestream: Everything seems to be peaceful.

Fri Oct 21, 2011 at 10:19 PM PT: From the livestream chat:

jpmassar: What's happening with eviction?

oscargrant: As you can see, there is no eviction.

Fri Oct 21, 2011 at 10:21 PM PT: There is a big march scheduled for tomorrow at OccupyOakland at Noon.

Fri Oct 21, 2011 at 10:23 PM PT: Livestream:

jpmassar: Are there police anywhere in sight?  On the perimeter?

oscargrant: As for actual cops, I saw a car drive past the plaza along 14th St but it's long gone now, as of 9 minutes ago.

Fri Oct 21, 2011 at 10:33 PM PT: Well, things still seem calm.  Either Oakland and the police were bluffing or they're planning a move for later.

Fri Oct 21, 2011 at 10:39 PM PT: NPR Report:

OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) — Hundreds of anti-Wall Street protesters are still camping at a plaza outside City Hall, despite a city order to leave the site by 10 p.m.

Earlier in the day, city spokeswoman Karen Boyd said that the city gave official notice that the Occupy Oakland protesters do not have permission to remain overnight and that their encampment is breaking the law.

Many protesters say they have no intentions of leaving even though the city announced Thursday that after nearly two weeks it can no longer uphold public health and safety at the site.

Boyd says she expects the protesters to comply and would not comment on what steps the city would take toward enforcing of the law.

There was no sign of police presence immediately after 10 p.m. Friday.

Fri Oct 21, 2011 at 10:40 PM PT: NPR Link

Fri Oct 21, 2011 at 10:42 PM PT: Just-published SF Chronicle article

Fri Oct 21, 2011 at 11:16 PM PT: Goodnight all.

Originally posted to jpmassar on Fri Oct 21, 2011 at 10:07 PM PDT.

Also republished by Occupy Wall Street, ClassWarfare Newsletter: WallStreet VS Working Class Global Occupy movement, and Progressive Hippie.

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  •  get up, stand up..... (8+ / 0-)


    Please do not tell me you are involved by being a member of DK4.... really get involved...... The goal is not to bring your adversaries to their knees but to their senses. -- Mahatma Gandhi

    by Mindmover on Fri Oct 21, 2011 at 10:24:43 PM PDT

  •  Looks like the OPD is waiting for the whole (10+ / 0-)

    world to stop watching and go to bed.

    (I'm staying up.)

    Civil Disobedience: In weighing what is legal versus what is just, I'll take justice every time. That means I'm sitting down with my goddamned umbrella.

    by WisePiper on Fri Oct 21, 2011 at 10:36:33 PM PDT

  •  Well, this seems like crap (7+ / 0-)
    One of those who left Friday was Ann Wenzell, who had been part of the camp since it formed. She said the mood in the plaza had gradually deteriorated, and the people there were growing increasingly hostile.

    "It's not Oakland residents anymore," said Wenzell, 33, who lives in the city. "It's not the 99 percent. It's a fringe community. ... Everybody is angry."

    I was down there this afternoon and everything seemed pretty damned relaxed.  I see any hostility.  I have no idea if the people there are mostly Oakland residents, of course.  But there was a great kitchen operating with a lot of patient people waiting in line for food.

  •  "Kids v. cops" LOSES. Don't get digressed! (11+ / 0-)

    I'll be only slightly blunt about this:

    If we let these ourselves get digressed over the "right" to camp in a closed public park or square, we LOSE.

    The focus needs to stay on bringing the bastards on Wall Street to justice, and rebuilding the working class & middle class.  

    Don't get digressed.

    Don't get backed into rigidity of tactics.

    Do keep it flexible and peaceful and focused.

    It's more powerful and sustainable to go home at 10PM each night and return at 6AM the next morning, because that can be done in solidarity across the entire United States including especially the places where it gets way too cold in the winter to sustain an urban camp-out.

    Don't fall for the distractions.  Don't take the bait.  

    "Minus one vote for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

    by G2geek on Fri Oct 21, 2011 at 10:47:07 PM PDT

    •  in theory, yes. But they won't be allowed back (7+ / 0-)

      it's like holding territory. If it's given up it won't be there in the morning.

      Technically, of course, it'll be there, but the turnout will dwindle. The point of this exercise, for the authorities, is to enfeeble the movement.

      "Things are never so bad they can't get worse" - Dallasdoc

      by Shahryar on Fri Oct 21, 2011 at 11:08:50 PM PDT

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      •  that's where flexibility of tactics comes in: (4+ / 0-)

        Use a different tactic every day.

        For example tomorrow come back with no camping gear or heavy coats on, each person carrying a sign, and then form a line around the entire place, with openings for entrances and so on (again, to not get digressed over "blocking entrances")

        The next day (or Monday anyway), go in teams of two or three to every bankster bank, carrying credit union brochures, and wearing sandwich boards saying "Pissed off at the banksters?  Vote with your dollars, here's the alternative!"  A day of that ought to be worth some pretty decent movement of capital from banksters to community-based institutions that invest in their communities.  

        The next day, something else, maybe the "Burma Shave formation,"  people walking in a line, each carrying an identical sized signboard with one letter of a slogan on it.  This attracts curiosity, and onlookers read the messages.  

        The key to all of this is to keep it fluid, keep it flexible, don't get rigidly tied down to one form of statement that can get turned against you.

        The Oakland police department and the Oakland city government, really could care less about protesters.  What they're tweaked about is the risk of this thing turning into a homeless encampment or becoming prey for the city's numerous vicious street gangs.  OK, fair enough, so change the tactics every day and that problem is gone.  

        Best of all, constantly changing tactics stand a greater chance of getting media coverage.  

        "Minus one vote for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

        by G2geek on Fri Oct 21, 2011 at 11:44:27 PM PDT

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        •  creative thinking and tactics (3+ / 0-)
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          If an army is too small to hold ground, guerrilla tactics may be useful.

          The ultimate objective is the raising of mass consciousness, not holding some arbitrary piece of ground.

          "Mr. Obama needs to put forward a comprehensive plan and fight for it. If he loses to obstructionist Republicans, Americans will know who is to blame."---NYT

          by claude on Sat Oct 22, 2011 at 07:10:30 AM PDT

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          •  Mass consciousness is already raised, ... (2+ / 0-)
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            and the frustration level is no less among non-OWS attendees than it is among actual participants.  The problem is the failure to implement SOLUTIONS.

            Whining incessantly about everything that's wrong does nothing to improve anything.

            One solution is to refuse to re-elect a known corrupt congressmember.  (Indicting them is preferable.)  Until people find the strength to do that, nothing else can or will change.  Those making excuses for why that can't be done reveal themselves as people who're part of the problem.

            "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the universe." -- Albert Einstein

            by Neuroptimalian on Sat Oct 22, 2011 at 02:13:31 PM PDT

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      •  meanwhile "it's like holding territory" is exactly (5+ / 0-)

        the problem.

        It's like someone investing themselves in, and identifying themselves with, a symbol that is wholly perishable.

        "Look at this flower!  This flower is my soul!"  And then the flower eventually wilts and dies, so then what?  

        See how that works?  

        "Minus one vote for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

        by G2geek on Fri Oct 21, 2011 at 11:49:10 PM PDT

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    •  G2, for the sake of the OWS movement, (9+ / 0-)

      I really hope yours is not the strategy the protestors adopt.

      Successful social movements have ALWAYS been forwarded by civil disobedience, and the authoritarian reaction TO that civil disobedience.

      The OWS movement has begun to attract attention from the somnolent masses BECAUSE of the massive arrests over the past 5 weeks. The MSM has been forced to cover the protests - they can't pretend those 2,000 arrests have not occurred.

      And, as the general public becomes aware of what's happening, the OWS message of income inequality resulting from Wall Street's looting of the economy, is beginning to resonate with them.

      The day the protestors abandon the civil disobedience strategy is the day the movement fades into obscurity and becomes nothing more than an ineffectual historical blip.

      Civil Disobedience: In weighing what is legal versus what is just, I'll take justice every time. That means I'm sitting down with my goddamned umbrella.

      by WisePiper on Fri Oct 21, 2011 at 11:11:33 PM PDT

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      •  you're wrong. it works like this: (5+ / 0-)

        Civil disobedience works when its target is a direct concrete embodiment of a widely-recognized evil.

        For example a public park where black people aren't allowed to walk.

        For example a lunch counter where black people aren't allowed to eat.

        For example an employer who will not hire Jewish employees.

        For example an employer who won't bargain in good faith with a union.  

        Or a bank that robs its customers and forces them out of their homes.  

        A city park's closing hours are NONE of those.  

        A city park is not an embodiment of Wall Street.  A city park doesn't throw Joe Worker out of a job.  

        A city park is a viable place to have a protest any day of the week, and I do mean day.   When the protest gets turned from a protest against the banksters to a protest against the park's closing hours, that protest has been diverted from a true confrontation with the source of a specific and widely-recognized evil, to an arbitrary confrontation with the police over basically nothing.  

        The massive arrests were not the cause of the media coverage.  The media coverage started happening before the mass arrests.

        If you want mass arrests that are meaningful, stage simultaneous sit-ins at every main branch of Bank of America in every city in the US.   And do it with one clear demand:  prosecute these bastards!

        Now the site of thousands of protesters carrying signs that say prosecute the bank fraudsters, getting arrested for demanding those prosecutions:  that will get media.  And that will be meaningful.  That will not be a digression because it will have gone straight to the source of an identifiable injustice.  

        But if you want to ratchet up the level of confrontation to the Gandhi level where people are stepping forward to get whacked on the head: then forget about the B of A branches and take it right to the HQ of Goldman.  A few thousand people converging on Goldman and swarming the lobby and the stairwells and the elevators at the same time:  yeah that'll bring out the riot squad alright.

        And at that point you'll be fighting for a meaningful target.  

        Not fighting for the right to pitch a fucking tent in a park.  

        "Minus one vote for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

        by G2geek on Sat Oct 22, 2011 at 12:42:43 AM PDT

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        •  I agree with this. (5+ / 0-)

          I misread your first comment to be an appeal not to engage in civil disobedience. I absolutely concur that a more targeted strategy would better further the movement.

          I don't agree, however, that the MSM was already covering this movement before the mass arrests. The real exposure didn't really materialize until the Brooklyn Bridge action.

          Also, I think you're trivializing the park occupations somewhat. While city ordinances regarding curfews and camping pre-date the protests (and, for the most part, are grounded in genuinely good policy), the symbolic value of occupying public space is to reinforce the message that our rights to peaceably assemble and demonstrate our grievances have been incrementally and dangerously constricted year after year after year.

          We now live in an era of out of sight, out of mind "free speech zones." We have an on-the-fly policy being enforced in Seattle that designates an umbrella an "illegal structure" if the person holding it is sitting down - this is in the freaking daytime. We have cops in NY stealing tarps protecting computer equipment from the rain.

          While I agree the movement will be damaged if the public begins to perceive it as a fight against curfews and camping, there IS a justification for occupying permanent space. A sustained action like OWS benefits from the ability to feed its participants, see to their medical needs, hear and respond to their concerns and desires via the GA's - it's not practical to reinvent this infrastructure every day.

          I hear what you're saying. I'm just not convinced that the protestors' strategy of occupying public space 24/7, and thereby gaining more media attention than they would otherwise, is a bad thing.

          I do absolutely agree with you though that the most effective civil disobedience, and the one that will require the most courage, is to take direct action against those financial institutions that are at the HEART of our current economic catastrophe.

          Civil Disobedience: In weighing what is legal versus what is just, I'll take justice every time. That means I'm sitting down with my goddamned umbrella.

          by WisePiper on Sat Oct 22, 2011 at 01:40:45 AM PDT

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          •  the way to overcome "free speech zones." (1+ / 0-)
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            Information always wants to be free.  Information has a strange relationship with the laws of thermodynamics.  There is no way to stop it.  For example:

            High school kids wear provocative T-shirts.

            The school bans the T-shirts.

            The kids then assign the very same message to some other "carrier," such as mis-matched colorful shoe laces.

            Then the school bans mis-matched colorful shoe laces.

            The kids then assign their message to an even subtler "carrier" such as a dot of red magic marker on the back of their hand.

            And after the school bans that, the kids come up with something else, such as the Vulcan hand-gesture of greeting from StarTrek.  

            And then something else, such as a whistled bird-call: "tootle-tweet-toot!"

            No matter what the school officials try to do, to ban that message, the kids always find a way to get the message across.

            There's a lesson in that.

            For example:

            Each person carries a sign consisting of ONE word printed on a piece of 11 x 17 paper.  

            They walk in a single line around the block where the local BofA headquarters has its offices.

            Together they spell it out: PROSECUTE --- THE --- BASTARDS!

            There is NO way to stop THAT.  

            For example:

            Each person wears a same-color T-shirt that has ONE letter printed on the back of it, and a different letter printed on the front of it.

            They arrive at the local BofA HQ and line up around the building, and face the sidewalk.  People inside the building see the letters on their backs spelling out
            P-R-O-S-E-C-U-T-E --- T-H-E --- B-A-S-T-A-R-D-S!.   People walking by on the sidewalk see the very same thing but facing in their direction.  

            Now if the police come along and ask you to "move it!," you can turn that into another one of those walking pickets around the building.  Anyone on that sidewalk or on the street who sees those protesters, will see the message spelled out on their front-side and on their back-side: same message, coming or going.  

            There is NO way to stop that.

            And it doesn't get hung up over turf battles with what most people will see as obscure rationales.  

            "Minus one vote for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

            by G2geek on Sat Oct 22, 2011 at 07:34:44 PM PDT

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        •  I'm not sure I would be so quick to discount (1+ / 0-)
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          the issue of park hours. I think a lot of people probably see stuff like that as part of the issue. The parks are public spaces, so why is the public restricted from having access to them at certain hours?

          True, OWS was not formed to protest "unjust park hours" but I think part of what people are rebelling against is the sort of all-encompassing corporate control of our lives that finds a decent representation in the desire of public officials to corral protests into acceptable times and places, which coincidentally, make sure that they don't bother anyone, and along with that, aren't noticed by anyone.

          •  park hours: (0+ / 0-)

            As far as most people, the vast mass of voters, are concerned, the purpose of park hours is:

            = To prevent the robberies and rapes that would occur in parks late at night.

            = To prevent parks turning into homeless encampments that, without access to sanitation, will turn into public health hazards.  Think of having a picnic and smelling shit and garbage nearby.  

            = To prevent parks getting vandalized mercilessly to the point where they are no longer viable to maintain and no longer attractive places for people to spend their time.  

            = To prevent overnight alcohol and other drug use that makes the place unsuitable for family recreation:  for example kids stepping on broken bottles or discarded needles.

            WE already have ONE major obstacle to overcome with the public: convincing them that their friendly-looking ATM that "gives them money" is a front for an evil monster that is robbing them and looting the country blind.  

            There's no sense adding ANOTHER to it, to try to convince people that there's some kind of inherent right to sleep in parks.  

            FOCUS on the thing that REALLY matters.  

            "Minus one vote for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

            by G2geek on Sat Oct 22, 2011 at 07:20:39 PM PDT

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  •  take care Oakland (7+ / 0-)

    stay cool
    you are right
    hope you have a good night
    we are watching
    we are with you
    we won't forsake you

  •  Has anyone else noticed a coordinated effort? (6+ / 0-)

    Who else is talking about eviction...Albany?  I thought there were a few others.

    "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win". Mohandas K. Ghandi

    by DaveinBremerton on Fri Oct 21, 2011 at 10:59:51 PM PDT

  •  Anyone have a police scanner to listen to? (4+ / 0-)
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    Wishing you well from so. cal.

    202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them.

    by cany on Fri Oct 21, 2011 at 11:15:53 PM PDT

  •  makes me wish i still lived in berkeley (1+ / 0-)
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    i'd wander on down and add one more body to the moral passion

  •  "hardcore anti-police, anarchist presence there" (4+ / 0-)
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    Really?  What evidence is there of that?  It seems to me like if that were the case, there'd have been lots of trouble before now.  Instead, they do their non-violent protest thingie for two weeks and all of a sudden go all "hardcore" anarchist?!?   There is something "hardcore" going on, but I suspect it's not the Occupy folks....

    -7.62, -7.28 "Hold fast to dreams, for if dreams die, life is a broken winged bird that cannot fly." -Langston Hughes

    by luckylizard on Fri Oct 21, 2011 at 11:40:07 PM PDT

    •  Yeah, it isn't the Occupy people (4+ / 0-)
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      A couple of days ago, signs appeared on the edges of the zone that stated that the space was not permitted (that is, without a permit) and never would be permitted and that no police were allowed in the zone.  They have a perimeter patrol to confront police and media.  They chased off media who attempted to film the Iran hostages who spoke there this week.  They have become increasingly hostile to police, media and politicians this week.  

  •  jp, choose your battles, imho. n/t (2+ / 0-)
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  •  If anything happens (2+ / 0-)
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    it will be 3-4am.  The military tactics, police departments have become so fond of, dictate waiting until most are asleep.

    Sarcasm. Just one more service I provide.

    by Grannus on Sat Oct 22, 2011 at 12:36:58 AM PDT

  •  I couldn't write about Occupy Oakland (4+ / 0-)
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    I am a die-hard fan of the movement and I supported Occupy Oakland 100%, but they have totally lost me.

    I hope I don't get flamed for this.  I've been silent for a while hoping that I was wrong.  I may still be.  But, in my heart, I think Occupy Oakland has been usurped by a group of people with great ideas, but not based on Occupy ideals.

    As my comments will show, I've been a strong supporter of Occupy Oakland from the beginning.  Yet, their first public action was to change the name of the plaza they were occupying to "Oscar Grant Plaza".  While I agree that what happened to Grant was obscene, it has absolutely 0 to do with Occupy.  It's gone downhill from there.

    I work across the street from this Occupy and was at the opening with my daughter, and have walked through it every day since then.  Yeah, it has changed.  It has lost it's focus or maybe it changed it's focus.  It is now more about police brutality and gang suppression, than it is about economic inequality.

    It is still cool to walk through if you can handle the utter stench of rotting food overlaid with pot smoke, but it is now more focused on just being an anarchist movement against "the man" than it is a focused workers rebellion.  It is now just predominantly long term homeless people and gang kids who want to protest the curfews.  It is not Occupy anymore.  

    That said, they did create a really cool space for the moment.  The media tent with the bike power, the library, the school; these are all awesome.  Oakland would have allowed it all if they didn't let the kitchen go to hell and pretended that cops couldn't enter the space.

    All that said, I can't say I will go and back up these people against an eviction.  They really didn't make themselves welcome.  Really, it has changed from our peeps to something that just isn't as welcoming.  It breaks my heart to say it, but it is true.

    •  I was there Friday afternoon (yesterday now) (1+ / 0-)
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      and I must respectfully disagree.

      It is still cool to walk through if you can handle the utter stench of rotting food overlaid with pot smoke

      There was no stench of rotting food.  None. Zilch. There was a distinct odor of pot, albeit not very strong, but what would you expect?

      •  That is good to hear (0+ / 0-)

        I'm always ok with a respectful disagree.

        Quite frankly, when I took my daughter on a tour on Wednesday, the stench was so bad, I gagged.  I'm glad it got better by Friday.  I have to admit that I haven't gone through the center since Wednesday when the change was clear.

        I have no problem with pot smoking, I just think this is not the place for it.

    •  I read yesterday on DK ... (2+ / 0-)
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      that cash donations were being used to purchase weed.  The support of middle America, not to mention the donations, will disappear in a flash if that becomes a trend.

      "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the universe." -- Albert Einstein

      by Neuroptimalian on Sat Oct 22, 2011 at 02:33:34 PM PDT

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      •  Stanger things have happened (2+ / 0-)
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        The pot smoke really is prevalent.  I haven't been through the site when I didn't smell it.  To be honest, that is the least of my worries.  Pot is practically legal in Oakland.  However, it is not cool when performing acts of civil disobedience and trying to make a good impression.  I'm just worried that Oakland will be used to make the whole movement look bad.  Seriously, advocating Gang rights is not going to win any supporters.  

  •  Really Odd..... (0+ / 0-)

    Sounds like the dynamic changed radically within the last few days.  Almost sabotage.  Hmmmm......

    •  Not sabotage (0+ / 0-)

      But, you are right, the mood really changed.  It is Oakland.  It is a just our local politics.  The Occupy movement was co-opted by people who have similar, but not the same, interests.  No conspiracy, just local politics, I'm sorry to say.

  •  Oakland is famous for infiltrators (0+ / 0-)

    as one of the seats of the 1960s zeitgeist it's been targeted in this way for decades.  Asshole informants like Mandingo Hayes were who started the riot after the Grant verdict a few years back & I'd bet that a goodly number of the Occupy Oakland thing has been sabotaged from within by those hired to do just that.

    I live in the East Bay and just moved from West Oakland this year after 11 years in the city, lest anyone think I'm talking about something I've never experienced personally.

    "Some of you are going to die... martyrs, of course, to the Freedom that I will provide!"

    by emperor nobody on Sat Oct 22, 2011 at 01:15:50 AM PDT

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