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The anti-capitalists camped out at Occupy Wall Street are having a problem with pooling their donation funds.

According to the Huffington Post:

“The Occupy Wall Street movement, born of anger over how the spoils of the American economy are divided, is now confronting its own wrenching financial conflict: how to divvy up the nearly $500,000 the group has raised via donations.

In recent days, the protesters have had heated arguments over whether to make the distribution of money more efficient and how much to devote to long-term infrastructure development in Zuccotti Park, generating worries that a movement created in the name of broader representation could fracture over how to live under it.”

The irony of it all would make this situation so funny if it weren’t so sad.

But shouldn’t everyone have seen this coming? The movement itself exploded from the pent up anger toward Wall Street and the big Banks: the financial centers of America. So when a finance working group is organized to handle the money being brought in by OWS through donations, it’s obvious that there are going to be at least a few protestors who, through their seemingly natural inclination to distrust centralized financial systems, would find the group untrustworthy.

It’s Russia, China and Cuba all over again, only on a much small scale: the ideals of an entire movement are swept away whenever a significant amount of money enters the picture. And socialists wonder why their cherished philosophy has never been applied fully and successfully in the real world.

It’s like something I tweeted not too long ago: “It’s not that I don’t trust rich people; I don’t trust greedy people.”

Money is not a threat to anti-capitalists, but the people who have money – especially the people who have a lot more than others and are in control of who gets what – are.

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Could there ever be a truly socialist society?

19%6 votes
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48%15 votes
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  •  Ideally (3+ / 0-)

    Those who raise the money would do so for specific purposes and then use it for that.  Those who donated would earmark specifically as well.  Direct consensus based that way. Sometimes there'd be too many blankets, other times too much food.  Sometimes too few portapotties.  Thos kinds of issues should be solved on the ground.

    Committees aren't that great of a methodology.

    One idea floating around about using tax money is to let the taxpayers decide when they pay what it gets spent on.  Those who want schools pay for schools, those who want roads pay for roads, etc.

    It would be interesting to see how that turned out.

  •  "Swept away" seems a bit premature (4+ / 0-)

    And although it will be an interesting case study in any event, none of this means they can't devise a solution to their problem.

    Seems like perhaps this is a good problem to have?

    Slap happy is a platform.

    by averageyoungman on Tue Oct 25, 2011 at 07:28:39 AM PDT

  •  Does anyone know if there are those (0+ / 0-)

    among the occupiers who want all or some portion of the donations distributed as cash in each other's pockets? If that is the case, and this is just my opinion, FWIW, I think that would be an awful idea.

    Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

    by JTinDC on Tue Oct 25, 2011 at 07:58:06 AM PDT

    •  Only if they're a RW plant (4+ / 0-)
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      Urizen, JTinDC, tacet, Hayate Yagami

      From what I've seen - and I've been down there quite a bit - that's simply not the predisposition of these folks. One also has to assume that they'd be gone by now if they had no conviction. Additionally, it occurs to me that they are smart enough to realize the breadth of opportunities this will create well beyond the dispersal and allocation of these funds.

      That said, there will always be a bad actor or two, so they'll have to be careful and deliberate in how this is dealt with and publicly perceived.

      Slap happy is a platform.

      by averageyoungman on Tue Oct 25, 2011 at 08:02:45 AM PDT

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  •  There should be plenty of philanthropists (2+ / 0-)
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    FG, Hector Luis Alamo Jr

    out there with experience managing money in a nonprofit context.  It's just a matter of filtering them into the right positions.

    The conundrum of stable democracy: Reform requires the consent of the corrupt.

    by Troubadour on Tue Oct 25, 2011 at 08:02:10 AM PDT

  •  Has anyone else noticed? (1+ / 0-)
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    George3

    Once money and disbursement was introduced into the conversation that the GA model has so far fractured?  

    OWS is on the right track, "now witness the violence inherent in the system".

    ARTHUR:  Well, we all are. we're all Britons and I am your king.
      WOMAN:  I didn't know we had a king.  I thought we were an autonomous
        collective.
      DENNIS:  You're fooling yourself.  We're living in a dictatorship.
          A self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working classes--
      WOMAN:  Oh there you go, bringing class into it again.
      DENNIS:  That's what it's all about if only people would--
      ARTHUR:  Please, please good people.  I am in haste.  Who lives
          in that castle?
      WOMAN:  No one live there.
      ARTHUR:  Then who is your lord?
      WOMAN:  We don't have a lord.
      ARTHUR:  What?
      DENNIS:  I told you.  We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune.  We take
          it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.
      ARTHUR:  Yes.
      DENNIS:  But all the decision of that officer have to be ratified
          at a special biweekly meeting.
      ARTHUR:  Yes, I see.
      DENNIS:  By a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs,--
      ARTHUR:  Be quiet!
      DENNIS:  --but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more--
      ARTHUR:  Be quiet!  I order you to be quiet!
      WOMAN:  Order, eh -- who does he think he is?
      ARTHUR:  I am your king!
      WOMAN:  Well, I didn't vote for you.

    Keep working it...this is an issue that can be solved

    Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

    by EdMass on Tue Oct 25, 2011 at 09:19:32 AM PDT

  •  better question; do you believe Huffpo? (1+ / 0-)
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    Greyhound

    I see zero proof or evidence in this diary that the accusations of any "split' is real. Huffpo or anyone can write some bullshit about money dividing when the truth may be far different. The diary seems more like an anti-socialism screed than anything else, note the "poll".

    America could have chosen to be the worlds doctor, or grocer. We choose instead to be her policeman. pity

    by cacamp on Tue Oct 25, 2011 at 09:39:48 AM PDT

    •  How about this? (1+ / 0-)
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      Oh The Huge Manatee

      Drumming and the Occupation

      The drummers, who feel that they are bringing rhythm to the revolution and have a voice that must be heard have felt disrespected and disparaged.

      And this

      They want $lice of the occu-pie

      “F--k Finance. I hope Mayor Bloomberg gets an injunction and demands to see the movement’s books. We need to know how much money we really have and where it’s going,” said a frustrated Bryan Smith, 45, who joined OWS in Lower Manhattan nearly three weeks ago from Los Angeles, where he works in TV production.

      Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

      by EdMass on Tue Oct 25, 2011 at 09:54:06 AM PDT

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      •  the diary was about socialism (0+ / 0-)

        it had none of those links in it. remember?

        America could have chosen to be the worlds doctor, or grocer. We choose instead to be her policeman. pity

        by cacamp on Tue Oct 25, 2011 at 07:50:50 PM PDT

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