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Hey, sorry about the brevity of this diary but I just want you to check out the findings of this spectacular poll from Quinnipiac.  Consider this a cable news supplement because I’m sure you’ll never hear about this on TV.  I took their long write-up and extracted the raw numbers for your consumption here.

1. “President Barack Obama's job approval rating is up, from a negative 41 - 55 percent October 5, to a split today with 47 percent approving and 49 percent disapproving in a Quinnipiac University poll…”

2. “Voters also are divided 47 - 49 percent on whether Obama deserves reelection, compared to last month, when voters said 54 - 42 percent he did not deserve reelection.”

3. “Cain leads a head-to-head GOP race with Romney 47 - 39 percent”

4. "Obama seems to be improving in voters' eyes almost across-the-board."

5. “Obama also is looking better in matchups against potential Republican nominees:"

• 47-42 over Romney, compared to a 46-42 Romney lead October 5;
• 52 - 36 percent over Perry, up from a 45 - 44 percent tie last month;
• 50 - 40 percent over Cain, who was not included in a matchup last month;
• 52 - 37 percent over Gingrich, who was not matched last month.

I suspect this crazy side-show in the GOP is sending shock-waves through the voting public.  Hence, Obama is looking sweeter all the time.

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  •  Tip Jar (136+ / 0-)
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  •  He's been an awesome president. (45+ / 0-)

    That, coupled with the fact that there's an embarrassment per day concerning the GOP presidential candidates makes me very happy.

    Seriously, though, why is Rick Perry not getting more scrutiny for his speech Friday in New Hampshire? He's got some serious 'splaining to do.

    Can you imagine if four years ago Obama or Hillary or Edwards gave a speech like that? He or she would have been out of the race within 48 hours.

    Gov. Perry was under the influence of something, it would appear to me. In fairness, it could be that he was simply exhausted, which is fine and understandable, but raises serious questions as to his fitness for office. President Obama has aged a lot in three years. Being effective as president requires an unfathomable amount of fortitude.

    Best-case scenario for Perry is that he can't hack it. Worst-case scenario for him is that he checks into rehab by sundown.

    How about I believe in the unlucky ones?

    by BenderRodriguez on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 06:05:12 AM PDT

  •  We avoided a double dip...... (19+ / 0-)

    .....now if we could just have a strong spring, we might survive 2012.

    Ideology is an excuse to ignore common sense.

    by Bush Bites on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 06:07:33 AM PDT

  •  Cain is going down in flames (17+ / 0-)

    It will undoubtedly be Romney, who will make this closer.  This is good news, but I worry about Romney and voter suppression.  

    Life is good. Injustice? Not so much.

    by westyny on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 06:12:36 AM PDT

    •  Don't assume Cain is going anywhere (18+ / 0-)

      the people who support him aren't going to be deterred by the negative publicity. They either blame the media or think the incident isn't consequential.

      •  Agree. Didn't He Raise $400,000 Already this Week? (5+ / 0-)

        I miss Speaker Pelosi :^(

        by howarddream on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 07:22:14 AM PDT

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      •  I hope they martyar Cain (1+ / 0-)
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        in some weird feedback loop of conservative rhetoric.

        "A cynical, mercenary, demagogic press will produce in time a people as base as itself." - Joseph Pulitzer

        by CFAmick on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 07:51:36 AM PDT

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      •  Campaign Finance Problems (3+ / 0-)
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        It was also reported that Cain has some rather significant campaign finance issues (significant = illegal).

        It appears a non-profit headed by Cain's campaign manager funded the Cain's campaign at the beginning of his run.  This money was not reported on Cain's financial disclosures, and the people who donated the money to the non-profit are not named/identified.

        Here is the original article:
        State firm's cash to Herman Cain may breach federal campaign, tax laws

        It is unfortunate that news of the finance issues came out at the same time as the harassment allegations.

        I am waiting for the campaign finance problem to be more widely reported.

        I am also very curious regarding who is responsible for investigating and prosecuting this type of thing.  Can charges be brought during an active campaign?  

        Since we still have innocent until proven guilty, what would happen if he actually got elected (heaven forbid), but then was found guilty of election law violations.

        A key quote from the article:

        Election law experts say the transactions raise a host of questions for the private organization, which billed itself as a tax-exempt nonprofit, and the Cain team.

        "If the records accurately reflect what occurred, this is way out of bounds," said a Washington, D.C.-based election lawyer who advises many Republican candidates and conservative groups on campaign issues. The lawyer asked not to be identified because of those affiliations.

        Michael Maistelman, a Wisconsin campaign attorney, agreed.

        "The number of questionable and possibly illegal transactions conducted on behalf of Herman Cain is staggering," said Maistelman, a Democrat who has represented politicians from both parties on campaign issues.

        Block and Hansen have not returned numerous calls in recent days.

        The campaign manager is acting as if these accusations  are a surprises, but the author of the article said (on the Rachel Maddow show) that he had contacted the Cain campaign many months ago.  So again, they are pretending that this is all a surprise and they can't possibly be expected to have a timely response.

        Did they really think these things would go away if they ignored them?

      •  I keep saying that here (3+ / 0-)
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        like a broken record -- They Won't Care!

      •  The GOP hates women anyway (0+ / 0-)

        republicans believe in sexual harrassment about as much as they believe in Keynesian economics and evolution. That is to say, not at all. I foresee the allegations against Cain as having little impact on his GOP primary numbers.

        Keep Christian mythology out of science class!

        by cybersaur on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 11:25:59 AM PDT

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    •  Doesn't seem to be hurting him (11+ / 0-)

      His supporters are just going to form circles around him and say he's a victim of the "liberal media." (Personally, given this started with Politico, I'm guessing this was an opponent hit job. Rove's the most talked-about suspect, but I wonder about Perry, who's known for dirty campaigns and would have the most to gain from Cain flaming out.) They're already comparing him to poor persecuted Clarence Thomas after all. Hell, Don Limbaugh has his back and with the Don backing you up, the rest of the GOP Family will stick with you.

      Romney is certainly not "undoubtably" the nominee. If he manages to get over 25% of support, I might reconsider, but he can't break throught that ceiling despite being a candidate for six years. The base hates his guts and wants someone else and nothing can change that.

      •  What makes this interesting (10+ / 0-)

        isn't the candidates themselves, but rather who's backing them. It appears that this is a fight to the death between the Bushies and the Wall Street establishment, who are backing Romney, and the Kochs, who are backing Cain. Who's backing Perry? No one, as far as I can tell - that's one reason his numbers tanked as soon as the shine wore off him (the other is that the Bushies hate his guts).

        So, whether you think Romney will be the nominee (as I do) or not, what you're really betting on is the relative power of the Republican business establishment v. the power of the extreme conservative movement. Both have money, but I think the establishment has better political chops.

        "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

        by sidnora on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 07:02:02 AM PDT

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        •  Better political chops, yes, but not the numbers (7+ / 0-)

          The extreme conservative movement is the GOP base and they've got the numbers that the Wall Street gang lack. And they really, really don't like Romney. (Does anyone really like Romney? Even among his supporters he seems to get just a shrug and a "he's not great, but I can live with him" attitude.)

          I will say, the prospect of an all-out civil war between the Bushie/Wall Street gang and the Koch/Tea Bagger crowd is a delightful prospect.

        •  While the GOP (8+ / 0-)

          has been setting up shop all these years they may have forgotten to include a strategy for when the various factions they have demanded allegiance from, split and go rogue.  That is what we are looking at now.  The teaparty thinks Cain will be a winner because they think that being black got Obama elected.   They think a cut throat business man + black= winner.  Because they are that stupid.

          And she's good at appearing sane, I just want you to know. Winwood/Capaldi

          by tobendaro on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 07:38:03 AM PDT

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          •  Their unity (1+ / 0-)
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            is was their greatest strength. Perhaps they've come to take it for granted that no matter how distasteful the selection of the authoritarian leaders, the authoritarian followers will suck it up and fall in line.

            I'm betting that the establishment will be able to pull that rabbit out of their hat one more time, but not all the way: they'll figure out a way to get Romney nominated, but there's no way they'll get their base to turn out next November.

            Huge chunks of the South will stay home. Wouldn't it be a hoot if places like MS came into play because the white GOP majority stayed home and the mostly African-American Democratic base turned out in force?

            And if Romney isn't the nominee? Make extra popcorn for the Obama-Cain debates.

            "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

            by sidnora on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 04:15:45 PM PDT

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            •  Obama-Cain is my dream. (0+ / 0-)

              Those debates would be epic for entertainment value only.  The rest of the world would be appalled and we would be treated to derision and scathing articals on how low the US has sunk.  But I see the nomination of Herman Cain as a turn around point in the nation and a wake up call to the 40% of people who need to wake the hell up.

              And she's good at appearing sane, I just want you to know. Winwood/Capaldi

              by tobendaro on Thu Nov 03, 2011 at 05:11:41 AM PDT

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      •  I hope they stay in their bubble (5+ / 0-)

        because Cain would be a gift to us..

        and then I would hope Obama finds his inner progressive and fires every centrist blue dog he has ever hired...

        sorry about the fantasy at the end there...

        "But once John Boehner is sworn in as Speaker, then he’s going to have responsibilities to govern. You can’t just stand on the sidelines and be a bomb thrower." - President Obama, 12-07-2010

        by justmy2 on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 08:07:36 AM PDT

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      •  the only way to deflate (1+ / 0-)
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        one of these non-romney temporary leaders is to attack them with from the right.

        That really hasn't happened to Cain yet and until it does, he will be the front runner.

      •  Cain is also suspected in leaking it to Politico (1+ / 0-)
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        "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

        by eXtina on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 08:36:29 AM PDT

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  •  FYI (10+ / 0-)

    9-9-9 Is so simple it turns out to be a simple trick to enrich the 1%. - Flat Tax Proposals Are Perpetual Fount of False Promises. Underwater Pizzas, Upside Down Pizzas Etc. Etc.

    by anyname on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 06:14:25 AM PDT

  •  Good for Obama, what about the rest fo us? (6+ / 0-)

    Will eh finally start acting like a Democrat?

    Doubtful.

    •  He _is_ acting like a Democrat. (21+ / 0-)

      As for the rest of us, the first step is understanding that the problem is the party, not a single person.

      OWS is a an extremely important step in the right direction.

      Tunis...Cairo...Tripoli...Wall Street

      by GreenSooner on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 06:47:55 AM PDT

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      •  NO, it is election time & he is talking (3+ / 0-)
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        like a Democrat, again.

        •  Yawn. He never stopped talking like a Democrat. (1+ / 0-)
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          You just obviously haven't been LISTENING.  This new meme that he's just doing stuff to get re-elected is so REPUBLICAN and so obviously FALSE.

          Please wake up and recognize your true enemy.  They wear lots of red and carry big flags and try to keep you from VOTING while they pick your pocket when you get ill and fire you if you demand a fair wage.

          Wake up!  Damn.  The STOOPID, it BURNS!

          OBAMA/BIDEN AND DEMOCRATIC MAJORITIES IN BOTH HOUSES OF CONGRESS IN 2012 or kiss your ass goodbye.

          Best. President. Ever.

          by Little Lulu on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 10:24:48 AM PDT

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          •  Cutting Medicare & SS, no public option (0+ / 0-)

            continuing Bush's civil liberties violations, launching drone attacks, signing off on summary executions, continuing Wall St bailouts and supporting 'sanctity of contract fo Wall Streeters while telling UAW members they need to renogotiate in return for the relative pittance provided to auto companies.  Getting rolled time and again, leading with the deuce in his "negotiations," insisting that the discredited GOP of 2009 had good ideas that we need to listen to & incorporate.

            Sounds like a Democrat to me, an Obama Democrat.

            No thanks.  All his re-eleciton will do is insure more GOP policies enacted by Dems, Dems who will take the blame for the policy failures for a generation or more.  

            Worst. Democratic. President. Ever.

            •  LOL!!! Cutting Medicare and SS??? When did that (1+ / 0-)
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              happen?  Why do you guys come in here and LIE all the time?  And, personally, I prefer drone attacks to get al Qaeda before they get us while keeping our troops out of harm's way.  Pittance provided to auto companies?  WTF???  He RESCUED THE AMERICAN AUTO INDUSTRY FROM BANKRUPTCY and the American taxpayers have earned a PROFIT on their rescue.  He has to deal with REPUBLICANS because Democrats stayed home on 2010 and the corporations had a field day.

              Oh, wait.  What am I doing?  Your mind is made up.  Why waste my time speaking truth to your LIES?

              Best. President. Ever.

              by Little Lulu on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 12:20:10 PM PDT

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              •  relative pittance to auto companies (0+ / 0-)

                relative to Wall Street bailout, some 55 billion v. 22 TRILLION in grants and gauranties to Wall Street.

                He rescued the auto corporations and forced UAW worked to accept less than contracted for comnpensation, no renegotiaiton required for Wall Streeters.  

                Before AQ gets us, please.  Indiscrimnate drone attacks that kill mostly innocent people.  Sleep with the light on too? How supporters of the drone wars sleep at all amazes me.

                Obama proposed rasing Medicare age, 2 years less of eligibility is a cut, a HUGE cut.  SS is on the Catfood II's table, naturally.  

                He has to deal with Republicans becuase he spent 2009-2010 telling the public how great they were, how they had good dieas, and how we need to be bi partisan.  No one, NO ONE, is more ot blame for the GOP resurgenc ein 2010 than Obama.  Rather than crush a deservedly discredited opposition into the ground after they damn near ruined the country, he alone among Dems, sought every opportunity to include and praise them.  And in return, suprise surpise, the GOP blames him for problems they created, obstruct and deter him at every opportunity, cherry pick the worst fo his proposals and enact saying even Obama supports it etc.  What a dope.

                But I am lying about all the above, none of it ever happened.

                Obama 2012!

                •  Oh, Bob, please. Saving the U.S. Auto Industry (0+ / 0-)

                  is now being compared to bailing out Wall Street and comes up lacking?  Of course, TARP was signed into law by Shrub, not Obama, and that was the Wall St. bailout, but who's talking about facts, right?  And I never ONCE heard President Obama saying that the Republicans had "great ideas."  He's said he's proposing some of their ideas and they're STILL voting against them.

                  Oh, and that's yet ANOTHER LIE that HE forced auto workers to take less pay.  That was a UNION decision, voted on and approved by the MEMBERS.  President Obama had absolutely NOTHING to do with it.  But, who's talking about facts, right?

                  Indiscriminate drone attacks?  The reason we keep getting known terrorists like al Awalaki?  Riiiight.

                  If he'd "crushed" the Republicans and still lost, he'd be viewed as a divider of the nation.  Instead, he's viewed as bending over backwards, TRYING to bring this nation together only to have Republicans flip him the bird.  The country is waking up to the Republican nightmare once and for all.  Can't wait until 2012 when we kick their sorry, greedy, stoopid asses to the curb.

                  But you do your thing.  It's still a free country, thanks to DEMOCRATS and the:

                  Best. President. Ever.

                  by Little Lulu on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 03:13:41 PM PDT

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                  •  He's viewed as weak (0+ / 0-)

                    and Tim Geithner has continued the bank friendly, homeowner puniching policies of Bushco.

                    AQ's # 2 guy sure attends a lot of weddings, his is always included among the pile of dead bodies at these events.

                    If GOP ideas were not in Obama's view great, what the Hell is he doing proposing them?

                    Money provided to the auto companies was contingent upon renegotiation of union contracts.  No such strings regarding individual employment contracts attached to the Wall Street bailouts.

  •  Gas prices went down. Then they went up a little. (18+ / 0-)

    Then they went down again.
    Ditto stock market.
    Employment/unemployment.

    I like and expect Obama's numbers to come back up as the debt ceiling debate/deal recedes in people's minds.

    The economy is improving in spite of the Republican governors' efforts to un-stimulate it (and Congressional GOP's efforts).

    Thanks to OWS, "Wall Street is a massive tumor on the American economy" is the primary domestic narrative now, as it should be.

    With H. Irene's damage, there will be significant rebuilding on the Eastern seaboard and the Northeast, except where the GOP is able to obstruct, in which case they will be sticking a big "Kick me" sign to their collective ass.

    And then there's the clown car...

  •  Heh. Obama looks good because the opposition (13+ / 0-)

    looks so bad.  Comforting.

    The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

    by accumbens on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 06:39:55 AM PDT

    •  I have never really seen a perfect president or (13+ / 0-)

      candidate. All politicians have flaws. It usually comes down to "better versus worse". I never for a moment thought Obama would solve all our problems. Never thought he was a progressive Democrat. That's why I don't constantly fall over myself in disappointment like others. He is not a fucking messiah.He is actually doing better than I had expected.

    •  And Romney looks good to Republicans (2+ / 0-)
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      in the primary because the opposition looks so bad. That IS comforting!

      We Won't Let Republicans Replace Medicare with GOP Vouchercare!

      by CatM on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 07:42:19 AM PDT

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      •  But if Mittens is their nominee, there are (3+ / 0-)

        a large number of right winger teabagger types who may stay home ....but even if they vote and hold their nose..it is going to be damn hard for the right wing Evangelical churches to rally support and fill up buses and get them excited and involved to do GOTV.

        Evangelicals are huge part of their base and very involved in GOTV and filling buses to go and vote.

        They are saying Mormons are part of a cult and they cannot support Romney. That is going to be a real problem for them.

        Talk to some southern fundies in your neighborhoods and workplace and some are saying they will stay home as they cannot vote for Mormon or a Muslim if those are their choices. And forget about convincing them the President is Not a Muslim.  I tried repeatedly with a relative who absolutely adores me and respects me and I could not convince them.

        •  I respectfully disagree (1+ / 0-)
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          Only because those same right wing churches will argue that Obama is a Muslim, and it's much better to have a Mormon than a Muslim. And all that anti-Muslim hatred will get those fundies to the polls to pull the lever for a candidate, who they might view as part of a cult but supports many of their positions.

          In the Quinnipac poll, only 4% of republicans/republican leaners offered Romney's faith as their primary objection to supporting him in the primary.

          When specifically asked about Romney's Mormonism if he were the national candidate, 13% of Republicans said it made them less likely to vote for him, 4% said more likely, and 82% said it made no difference.

          Among Democrats, nobody said more likely, 21% said less likely (weird, but I am betting they would get that if they'd asked about Perry's Christianity), and 78% said no difference. Among independents, 12% said less likely and 87% said no difference.

          I don't think it's going to be as big of a factor as the media wants to suggest in their desire for a controversy factor.

          But if you asked how many people believe Obama is a Muslim and how that factors into their voting plans, I bet  it would be much more than 13% of republicans and 12% of independents.

          We Won't Let Republicans Replace Medicare with GOP Vouchercare!

          by CatM on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 08:32:27 AM PDT

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          •  Wow that shocks me but I still think their (1+ / 0-)
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            enthusiasm will be dampened, meaning right wing Evangelicals.  This poll may be right and I may be wrong.

            I still do not believe Evangelicals will get all excited about Mittens.

            •  I hope you are right (0+ / 0-)

              I think right now people are feeling enthusiasm because they imagine their candidate will be the one. When that is not the case, will Paul/Bachmann/Perry and either Cain or Romney supporters still describe themselves as more enthusiastic? Probably not. I think a lot of Hillary supporters were more supportive about voting when they felt Hillary would be the nominee than when Obama was the candidate.

              I know when I supported Clark, I was very enthusiastic and would have described myself as "more enthusiastic about voting." When Kerry was nominated, I was extremely lukewarm and would not have described myself as "more enthusiastic." (I would have been "about the same.")

              So, I do think those numbers will drop. Primaries always gin up a bit of enthusiasm.

              We Won't Let Republicans Replace Medicare with GOP Vouchercare!

              by CatM on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 08:49:19 AM PDT

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        •  There are no Southern Fundies (1+ / 0-)
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          in my neighborhood nor in my workplace - and for that I am thankful every single day!

          As an aside: I just discovered that my iPhone autocorrects "fundies" to "gunfire"...

  •  "Less Awful Than The GOP Alternative!"... (6+ / 0-)

    ....remains a pretty weak campaign theme.  But it may be the best Obama can do.  It certainly has the virtue of being true.  And maybe the President will catch a break and the fabled swing voters will see the truth in it, too.

    Tunis...Cairo...Tripoli...Wall Street

    by GreenSooner on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 06:43:59 AM PDT

    •  They really are (7+ / 0-)

      astonishingly awful, aren't they? When before have we ever seen a candidate who's really running a publicity stunt, rather than a campaign, leading in most of the polls? If I were a Republican campaign operative giving this field a hard-eyed look, I'd be in despair.

      The only one I can even visualize as an actual president is Romney (not that I'd want that, God forbid!). And their base hates him.

      "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

      by sidnora on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 07:11:05 AM PDT

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    •  I think most of this is GOP support dropping (2+ / 0-)
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      Rather than support truly moving back to Obama.  I still see Obama catering to only the 1% on global trade.  More "free" trade deals pushed through, no action on Chinese currency manipulation or other trade imbalances.  Still no mention from Obama on the role our massive trade deficit plays in our economic and unemployment woes.

      But when your choice is between a free trader and a batshit insane religious nut, that job exporting free trader doesn't look so bad, which is quite a disgrace of American leadership.

    •  Maybe we'll catch a break (0+ / 0-)

      and someone will primary Obama.

  •  Anybody see this yet: (9+ / 0-)

    And this is before the Romney Ponzi scheme gets traction.

    If I tell you it's raining when it's raining, that's not promoting fear of rain. -- Rev. Al Sharpton

    by RhodaA on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 07:00:32 AM PDT

  •  Great news that restores some of my faith in (6+ / 0-)

    the American voting public. Thank God for this cavalcade of GOPer clowns who will taint the Republicans as  the party of losers and  ignoramuses.

    •  You should read the entire poll (3+ / 0-)
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      kat68, Byblis, Nulwee

      You will quickly lose faith again, especially when you see the number of people--especially republicans and independents--who think Cain is qualified to be president.

      I found it interesting and sad that in all religious groups polled (evangelicals, Catholics, and protestants), the Republican candidate always garners significantly higher support than the president.

      The president also did better among elderly voters than the Republican candidates, which surprised me, but worse in the 35-55 demographic.

      We Won't Let Republicans Replace Medicare with GOP Vouchercare!

      by CatM on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 07:39:52 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Why are you surprised? (1+ / 0-)
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        Nulwee

        The GOP candidates all want to cut SS, Medicare, or both. You think the seniors would be happy with that? Or anybody over 55 who's looking at tanking IRAs and income, possibly unemployed, and just hanging on until they can collect SS and get on Medicare?

        You think they don't pay attention?

        They do - and they vote.

        •  I'm surprised (2+ / 0-)
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          Nulwee, cybersaur

          because in the past, they have supported other candidates who wanted to privatize Social Security or raise eligibility ages and because they were more likely to oppose the Affordable Care Act and bought into the claims that Obama and Democrats cut Medicare with the act (actually, they did make cuts).

          I think if the Super Committee Democrats support or propose a plan to cut Medicare or implement changes to Social Security that will effect recipients, they will lose some of that support.

          I also think many elderly people are "values" voters and oppose some of the more liberal changes that have come about, like repealing DADT. They fear gay marriage and support more restrictions on abortion.

          So, there are a lot of reasons why the elderly might gravitate toward republicans. Look at the Tea Party demographics.

          We Won't Let Republicans Replace Medicare with GOP Vouchercare!

          by CatM on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 08:54:13 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  As expected frankly (9+ / 0-)

    Polls this far from the election mean virtually nothing. (Is it 2007 again? Seems like i've posted this before.)

    I've never for a moment doubted Mr Obama's re-election.  All the data I need are the names on the GOP Presidential slate.  No one but the crazy, the no-names looking to raise their profile, or Mitt Romney is running.  Mitt is running because he knows this is his one last chance, slim as it may be.

    If the GOP's internal analysis showed them they had a chance to knock off President Obama, they would not have limited their slate to B-list to F-list candidates.

    •  Who is on their A-list? (3+ / 0-)
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      Nulwee, smarty jones, Quicklund

      I tend to agree that they don't think they can win against President Obama, so this year's GOP nominee is destined to a sacrificial lamb in any case ... but I also keep wondering, if he is so vulnerable because of the economy, as we keep hearing, then why would that be the case? I can't imagine who their 'serious' candidates might be ... but if they actually had anyone better and stronger, who could challenge President Obama as a serious contender, wouldn't they bring it? Why keep him or her on the bench? I do think the reason he is going to be reelected is because the republicans ARE far, far worse... and it's not the field, it's the party as a whole. They are bankrupt as far as ideas or solutions, and they do not have anyone, anywhere, who offers a better choice to the country than keeping Obama in office. Romney will be put up a reasonable fight, but I don't think he can beat Obama.

      •  There were several so-called "A-list" candidates (6+ / 0-)

        Some that come to mind are John Thune, Mitch Daniels, Chris Christie, even Jeb Bush. (Not that they are actual "A-list" candidates, mind you, but they are in GOP eyes.) And all said "thanks but no thanks" for this election cycle. Which tells you a lot about what the GOP actually thinks about this race.

        Not that I have much stock in these candidates anyway:

        Christie: Probably won't win reelection in 2013, so unless he pulls a Romney and doesn't run again, he'll be damaged goods for 2016. Not well-liked outside GOP and reporter circles. Not fit enough to be President.

        Thune: What exaclty has he done of note beside beat Daschle and look good on TV? An empty suit. (I've heard him described as the GOP version of John Edwards, as in "he's only a contender because he's telegenic.")

        Daniels: He'll be long out of office and old news come 2016.

        Jeb: No one with the last name of "Bush" will ever be elected President again. His brother fucked it over for them and good.

      •  gf covers their A-list (0+ / 0-)

        Add Paul Ryan, Eric Cantor. But you answer your own question. A stronger candidate might improve their odds of winning from 25% to 35%, but it does not improve it enough.  And here's the cincher: no one wants to take that loss.

        If an A-lister goes down to defeat in 2012, they will be dead meat on a stick for the 2016 race. Run for POTUS as the nominated candidate, and lose, and you've had your only shot.  that's pretty much the way it is.  It's been that way since Nixon.

        So an A-lister will not want to risk that loss against an incumbant.  They will sit it out and wait for the next run.  UNLESS of course they feel the sitting President is in genuine trouble.

        I think that the GOP A-list thinks, President Obama is going to win.

        Heh.

  •  Haven't been worried (2+ / 0-)
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    about the presidential race, frankly. Obama has sent signals since 2004 (at least) that he will be a company man, and he has been one.

    The GOP field this year is like the field in 1996, but with lots more crazy talk. 1996 was Bob Dole's perfunctory victory lap before retiring. 2012 will be Romney's.

    My greater interest this year and next is my home state of Wisconsin. It's essentially like a meth lab for corporate interests, and we need to shut it down.

    #OWS fulfills my wildest grassroots populist jones, as well.

  •  Wow really? (4+ / 0-)
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    The guy who won in a total landslide is barely breaking even?

    It's really sad that this is as good as the news gets.

    Yeah, it's congress' fault right now that we're not moving forward.  

    But why has he been out convincing US when he should be in DC working the crowd there?  WE already overwhelming support what he's trying to do with the jobs bill and just about everything else (except oil sands, come the fuck on).

    Banking on us to see how mean the GOP are is pretty cynical - because they only look bad as long as nothing is getting done.

    It's as cynical as banking on us to disapprove of the President because there are no jobs.

    Either way there are no jobs.  

    Do I want him to capitulate?  Not on your life.  I'm sick of capitulation.

    Maybe there's nothing that can be done with this congress.  That's possible.  I don't know, I'm not the President.  I can't advise him, I can only say how it looks from out here.

    Meantime there are all of these Executive Orders - what do they actually mean for us?  Where are the public service ads telling us "the Health Care Act means XXX, so contact YYYY" or "the student loan thing means AAAA so contact your lender (or the govt, depending on which) and ask for BBB" or "now that we've changed the mortgage rules, go to this website to see if your loan is Fanny or Freddy and then contact your lender and ask for CCCCC".

    Or "Now that the President has done [ ], this or that sector should start to hire"

    Or something?  We had a diary the other day about a woman who was ill and didn't realize she was eligible for care under the new health care laws.  

    Why is that?

    Maybe some simple communication about all the good stuff that's been done would improve those numbers.  

    Not to mention firing his whole staff and bringing in some people who aren't cynical scaredy-cats who think we're so selfish out here that we'd be mad if they help mortgage holders keep their houses and who keep imagining there's some mythical "center" they need to keep wooing while we begin to turn away as he seems to forget us . . .

    I support the President.  He's done some great things.  

    I just can't understand a lot of the other stuff he does, or doesn't do.  

    Why is it that a 3% tax increase for the wealthy is considered "socialism" and an 8% wage cut for the middle class is "doing your part"? MartyM

    by delphine on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 07:24:58 AM PDT

  •  It's pretty simple and will continue to be simple (1+ / 0-)
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    eXtina

    Obama hasn't done a very good job, mostly because he has a flawed conception of politics, but his Republican nominee will be either a psychopath or someone with no convictions whatsoever, so Obama will be re-elected pretty comfortably.  And, in a head-to-head sense, he obviously deserves to be re-elected.  But we'll still have the huge hole that he helped dig us into, in terms of the credibility of the Democratic brand.

    But nobody's buying flowers from the flower lady.

    by Rich in PA on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 07:25:38 AM PDT

  •  easy to explain (0+ / 0-)

    If Obama is going to get re-elected his approval needs to be close to 50%. Since Gallup has kept records no president has been re-lected with approval less than 48%(W Bush)
    So if Obama is to get re-elected people will start approving of him if they find the alternative unpalatable. This election may differ but I would say he needs to stay in the upper 40's to win re-election.

  •  The Economy Is Firming (1+ / 0-)
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    wishingwell

    And with it, opinion of the incumbent.  This will not be good news for the GOP.  Their "job creators" are kicking in too early.

  •  It's not all good news for Obama (2+ / 0-)
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    kat68, Nulwee

    Look at the enthusiasm gap between Republican and Democratic voters--I'd say it's pretty huge and could definitely be problematic considering what  a close race it is expected to be,  the Republicans' suppression efforts in swing states, and unlimited corporate donations that will favor the Republican candidate.

    ______________

    16. Compared to past presidential elections, how would you describe your level of enthusiasm about voting in the 2012 presidential election next year - are you more enthusiastic than usual, less enthusiastic, or about the same as usual?

                                 Tot    Rep    Dem    Ind    

    More                     31%    45%    24%    30%  
    Less                     23       14        24       27    
    About the same   45       39        52       43
    DK/NA                    1         2          1         1      

    _______________

    Note that independents have more enthusiasm than democrats. They break for Romney in a head-to-head match-up, whereas Cain ties among independents.  Further, independents have an unfavorable view of the president, 50% to 44% and don't think he should be reelected, 54% to 40%.

    The national approval numbers don't really matter that much, because it will be decided on a state by state level. But the enthusiasm levels do matter, and more needs to be done to convince democrats and independents of the urgent need to vote for democratic candidates and the dangers of sitting this one out.

    We Won't Let Republicans Replace Medicare with GOP Vouchercare!

    by CatM on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 07:37:01 AM PDT

    •  more evidence of the negative impact (2+ / 0-)
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      CatM, The Nose

      of the entire decision by Plouffe and Daley, and ultimately POTUS, to focus entirely on deficits and RW talking points since  Nov 2010.  

      I can only imagine if the actions the President is taking now had been occurring for a year.

      "But once John Boehner is sworn in as Speaker, then he’s going to have responsibilities to govern. You can’t just stand on the sidelines and be a bomb thrower." - President Obama, 12-07-2010

      by justmy2 on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 08:11:29 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I agree. (2+ / 0-)
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        smarty jones, The Nose

        Can you imagine how much better his ratings would be if he had started this jobs talk from the outset of his presidency?

        And right now, he gains more support from the elderly than the republican candidates, but that could change if the Democrats on the Super Committee agree to radical changes in Medicare and/or Social Security, as they are being encouraged to do by Erskine Bowles (he suggested raising the Medicare eligibility age) and apparently by the president.

        I believe the Paul Ryan plan and the republican support for it put a huge dent in republican support among older Americans, but that advantage will be negated if the Democrats propose and/or go along with changes that the republicans can use against them as democrats and the president "cutting" Medicare and Social Security.

        And since the republican plan never came to be, changes enacted under a Democratic president and Democratic senate will be laid at Obama's feet. Republicans will not hesitate to use it.

        The Obama team's seeming political ineptness scares me sometimes. The enthusiasm of their base has waned and is much less than the enthusiasm of the Republicans and independents, so if all this deficit talk was meant to appeal to non-Democrats, it clearly failed and they should listen to the polls and let go of the "Tea Party" inspired drivel.

        We Won't Let Republicans Replace Medicare with GOP Vouchercare!

        by CatM on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 08:21:11 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  One very important thing to remember (2+ / 0-)
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      It's a YEAR away from the election.

      ONE YEAR.

      A hell of a lot can happen in a year. There have been ZERO votes cast in anything, even a primary. The GOP don't even have a candidate yet.

      Wait 6 mos. Then tell me how bad things are.

      Because whatever you look at now is like asking a 10 yr old what he wants to be when the grows up. Almost totally unrealistic and unlikely to come true.

      •  While it's true a hell of a lot can happen (0+ / 0-)

        that doesn't mean we should sit back and not be concerned about the enthusiasm gap that is already emerging. Because in that one year, things could go against us just as easily as they could go in our favor.

        I do think the GOP enthusiasm will fade somewhat once they have settled on a candidate, because right now they are thinking about the enthusiasm they have for their chosen candidate, and that seems fairly even between Romney and Cain. Will Paul and Perry supporters feel the same level of enthusiasm if neither is the nominee (as is likely to be the case)? Personally, I doubt it.

        But I also don't think what we see now is as irrelevant as what a 10-year-old wants to be when he grows up. I don't think that is a good analogy at all. One year is significantly less than 10 years, and beliefs we have as children are more likely to change over 10 years than beliefs we have as adults are likely to change over 1 year.

        I apologize if I'm taking you too literally.

        We Won't Let Republicans Replace Medicare with GOP Vouchercare!

        by CatM on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 08:36:43 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  I'ts not going to be easy (6+ / 0-)

    But I think Obama is with the help of the GOP clown show on his way to re-election. Anecdotally his message which is pitch perfect since September is starting to get through to people.

    After Obama's eighth straight victory, Penn told reporters: "Winning Democratic primaries is not a qualification or a sign of who can win the general election.

    by nevadadem on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 07:45:38 AM PDT

  •  Needs a caption: (8+ / 0-)
    Michigan Surpassing 48 States Shows Autos Drive U.S. Recovery

    Michigan’s economy is recovering from the recession at the second-fastest pace in the U.S., lifted by reviving carmakers and local manufacturers, according to a new Bloomberg index that tracks the pace of state growth ...

    http://www.businessweek.com/...

    If I tell you it's raining when it's raining, that's not promoting fear of rain. -- Rev. Al Sharpton

    by RhodaA on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 07:46:14 AM PDT

  •  Takin' it to the Streets (3+ / 0-)
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    Amber6541, Nedsdag, Calamity Jean

    while I was reading your diary, that song started 'playing' in my head . . .

    As President Obama gets out and communicates his jobs plan and contrasts that with what the Republicans are offering, people almost have to notice.

    As OWS kicks in, and Congress continues to do nothing, I think President Obama's numbers will continue to rise.

    For me, Huntsman is the only GOP candidate who is not frightening, and the republicans hate him (never polling more than 2% if I recall correctly).  I guess there is a possibility that they will take a second look at him after Perry and Cain implode, who knows.

    Interesting times.

  •  Now if only there could be some good news for (1+ / 0-)
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    Calamity Jean

    voters, jobs, and the economy

    "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

    by eXtina on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 08:32:14 AM PDT

  •  Let's not forget (3+ / 0-)
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    Nulwee, Calamity Jean, The Nose

    The GOP is working like hell to keep people from voting. They are very open about the fact that they want the electorate in 2012 to look more like the one in 2010 than the one in 2008.  That means setting up voting roadblocks for the old Obama coalition.

    This worries me more than anything else about the 2012 election. In a fair election, Obama will win. But, this election is not likely to be fair. It worries me that the Democrats don't seem to be fighting back. It worries me that the Department of Justice doesn't seem to be on top of this.

    Obama is going to need to be ahead by a lot, and all of his supporters are going to have to vote. Otherwise, hello President Romney.  I hope I'm being overly anxious about this, but I don't think so.

    "...in a society governed passively by free markets and free elections, organized greed always defeats disorganized democracy." Matt Taibbi

    by Getreal1246 on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 08:32:45 AM PDT

  •  Yawn (0+ / 0-)

    Is Obama still President?

    I've been pre-"Occupy"-ed with political actors far more promising than Barack "Wall Street's friend" Obama.

  •  good news (1+ / 0-)
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    Nulwee

    for president Obama

  •  Great! (0+ / 0-)

    I know, I know, it does not mean much at this point in time, but still its better than the alternative. Though fair is fair, the much improved #s in a match-up with Perry are not of Obama's doing :-).

  •  headline fix: New poll: Great news for John McCain (0+ / 0-)
  •  up to 45% in todays galllup (0+ / 0-)

    The freak show known as Herman Cain is probably helping
    Obama. We know what we get with him, the other jokers
    to crazy for most.

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