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The Koch brothers have tried to select leaders for the Black community for years.  The only folks who used the phrase 'high-tech lynching' were those Blacks supported by the Koch brothers.

Clarence Thomas and now Herman Cain have said they were victims of high-tech lynchings.  Both have connections to the Koch brothers.

Addicted to Koch!

Thomas' ties:  http://www.nytimes.com/...

Cain's connections:  http://www.npr.org/...

It is amazing that two Black men with concerns that clash with those of most Black Americans are supported by the Koch brothers who seem to have a vested interest in dividing the US.  It appears to me that the Koch's want to create a Black leader who is able to tell Black America whatever serves the interests of the Koch's themselves.  When they need a convenient foil on the Supreme Court to support things like Citizen's Untied, Bush v. Gore, etc., there's Clarence.  When a Black voice is needed to tell Black Americans they've been brainwashed into voting for the Democratic party,  there's Herman.

Conservative white republicans should not select or propose leaders for the Black community.  To the extent they are successful, that community is hurt.

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  •  Can you change the title (16+ / 0-)

    of the diary please?

    There are two kinds of people in this world. The kind who divide the world into two kinds of people, and the kind who don't.

    by upstate NY on Fri Nov 04, 2011 at 12:01:43 PM PDT

    •  If for no other reason (6+ / 0-)

      than it isn't true.

      There are other reasons, but this one will do.

      I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
      but I fear we will remain Democrats.

      by twigg on Fri Nov 04, 2011 at 12:04:46 PM PDT

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    •  Yes. Done. (6+ / 0-)

      I posted what I thought was a cute reference to the connections between two prominent Black republicans, Thomas and Cain.  I identify Thomas as a republican the because of the effect of his decisions.

      I had no intention to offend the sensibilities of others of this site but I am more offended as a Black man by the prominence of these men and their connections to this evil pair of brothers.

      Once again, sorry for the unthinking nature of the title of my post.

    •  the title is a joke (0+ / 0-)

      the point isn't.

      the Kochs are control queens. the days of slavery are gone. they appear to want them back. or at least the days of Stepin Fechit and black people ending every sentence to a white man with 'yessir.'

      •  Let me suggest that there are some people (0+ / 0-)

        (perhaps more than we think), who are practically incapable of doing anything but flapping their lips.  That is, they are good at talking, all the time, and because they aren't able to think (in the sense of checking whether what they say has any basis in fact), they mostly repeat what they hear and act as if they know what they are talking about.  If such people are reared in an impoverished situation, then they're likely to stay that way since they have no skills, other than verbal, that anyone else values.  If, on the other hand, such people are endowed with a small or large fortune, their lack of personal competence is not likely to be important because there will be a flock of people attracted to their wealth and more than eager to manage it for their and their own benefit.  Which means, in practice, that these incompetents serve as useful fronts.  And that, I would suggest, is what we have in the case of the Kochs, as well as Clarence and Herman.
        Being practically incompetent is not race or gender or ethnically based.  It does, however, seem to be manifest in what we call a conservative attitude -- i.e. not welcoming of change.  That's what we would expect of incompetents.  People who don't know how or why things change are naturally averse to it.
        In the case of the Kochs, the active agent seems to be a fellow named Richard Fink.  Clarence Thomas was initially promoted by Danforth.  He was an affirmative action hire, in the worst sense of the term, and has managed to hang on by virtue of a good memory for legal tripe that's entirely free of any moral concern for his fellow man.
        "conservative" is probably not an entirely appropriate term because it refers to the desired consequence of action or inaction by people who don't actually engage in action themselves. "isolates" might be a better term for people who not emotionally connected to their fellow man or woman.
        The question is how, if these people are as incompetent as I suggest, they manage to initiate so much social damage. The answer, I suspect, lies in the competent people who manage in their name and, perhaps in the interest of exercising power anonymously, create havoc without getting blamed.  Think Cheney pulling Bush's strings.

        People to Wall Street: "LET OUR MONEY GO"

        by hannah on Sat Nov 05, 2011 at 03:24:01 AM PDT

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  •  Yeah, not HR'ing yet (7+ / 0-)

    but the diary title is way over the top!

  •  I don't think either of those two guys (2+ / 0-)
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    Gooserock, qannabbos

    are serious "marching orders" types.  They come to the stupid on their own.

    The fact that they get piles of dough from the Koches is significant, but not because it makes them puppets.  It's because it implicates them as horrible individuals.

    •  Cain is Typical CEO Type Like W Who Never (1+ / 0-)
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      twigg

      needs to know anything about what he's doing, he just tells underlings to handle it all.

      In old world folk music & stories they're called "Nobility."

      Isn't Thomas a member of the Federalist Society? He does bring considerable stupidity to the job but I'm certain it's not all his.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Fri Nov 04, 2011 at 12:29:26 PM PDT

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  •  HR Racism. nt (4+ / 0-)

    Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance.

    by Horace Boothroyd III on Fri Nov 04, 2011 at 12:07:49 PM PDT

    •  HR, virulent stupidity and racism. (2+ / 0-)
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      wheresjim, LaughingPlanet

      What you're saying, Mr. Harlinchi, makes no effing sense. Just because two Republicans are black, and almost all Republicans in government have Koch ties, doesn't mean that the African-American community is with the Koch brothers.

      15 years old and fighting like hell to make a difference, Tomorrowsprogressives.com

      by TomorrowsProgressives on Fri Nov 04, 2011 at 12:16:35 PM PDT

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  •  Ooohh!! How clever...Blacks/Coke - Get it? n/t (3+ / 0-)
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    tobendaro, qannabbos, LaughingPlanet

    "Someone just turned the lights on in the bar and the sexiest state doesn't look so pretty anymore" CA Treasurer Bill Lockyer on Texas budget mess

    by CaliSista on Fri Nov 04, 2011 at 12:21:56 PM PDT

  •  Extremely offensive title. (4+ / 0-)
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    tytalus, wheresjim, CaliSista, blueyedace2

    hr'ed.  The point that both CT and HC are funded or at least connected with the Kocks is a salient point.  You did not have to go full racial sterotyping in order to make it.

    And she's good at appearing sane, I just want you to know. Winwood/Capaldi

    by tobendaro on Fri Nov 04, 2011 at 12:22:07 PM PDT

  •  Delete this diary for obvious reasons. (4+ / 0-)
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    tytalus, CaliSista, qannabbos, blueyedace2

    First Hidden comment ever . . .

  •  I get what you're saying (4+ / 0-)

    the way you're saying it is very unlikely to work out well here. As a mixed-to-mostly-white website, people here won't necessarily assume that your dark-humor title is tongue in cheek, which means (1) they'll get pissed and (2) that will overshadow your point.

    Write however you'd like, of course, but your point would get less lost at this website if this were written with the audience here in mind. And yes, I understand that that's a complicated thing with its own potentially racist undertone.

    On the point:

    Yes, I do find it interesting that the Kochs seem to have a strong desire to fund Black candidates with political aims that stand against the preferences of most Black Americans.

    I don't actually think that's about appealing to Black voters, primarily, though. I think it's about appealing to relatively racist white voters who want something they can point to to say "Look, I'm not racist, I voted for that Black guy!"

    Your mileage may vary.

  •  "a couple of Black guys addicted to Koch" (7+ / 0-)

    would be a much better title.

    This comment is dedicated to my mellow Adept2U and his Uncle Marcus

    by mallyroyal on Fri Nov 04, 2011 at 12:30:08 PM PDT

    •  I'd twist it past that, even (2+ / 0-)
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      tytalus, mallyroyal

      because the point is Koch-pushing to Blacks maybe, not Black anybody's pushing of Koch, exactly. Dunno. It's going the wrong direction anyhow, IMO.

      But I'm not creative enough to make it funnier right now. The title distracts anyway, which is a shame, because there could be worthy discussion of the role of Black conservative candidates and their wealthy, white funding.

      Though that might be a bit much for this particular site, too, sadly.

      •  your last line hits on what I'm thinking. (5+ / 0-)

        I'm downright tired of fighting the tide on this site when it comes to the INHERENT racism of our society and the UNEXAMINED racism of so many on the left.

        so yeah it kinda burns me that most of what's being said to this diarist about his diary is "HR for racism"

        there's something to be said about the relationships of Thomas and Cain to the Kochs.  there's something to be said about them using the exact same phrase.  nobody wants to go there, rather they just wanna HR for 'racism'.  meanwhile I got the title immediately and had little problem with it until I read the comments.  now, the problem I have with it is that it's obviously obscuring the point for too many folks.

        there's another diary up where the diarist is calling Cain a shuck and jive artist, with which I agree completely.  people are taking issue with THAT.

        throws up hands I dunno.  it gets on my nerves.

        This comment is dedicated to my mellow Adept2U and his Uncle Marcus

        by mallyroyal on Fri Nov 04, 2011 at 12:44:35 PM PDT

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        •  I went back and looked (2+ / 0-)
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          mallyroyal, Spit

          the diarist's Michael Vick piece.

          he's doing here what he did there, somewhat (and exactly what I thought he was doing.

          This is actually a very interesting exercise...it matches up pretty well with this comment here...

          I guess the question to ask is that why do some here think that both the title and the content is racism and some of us don't.

          (and for the record, I don't think that this is racism; the exercise may be too clever by half, though)                    

        •  It's always easier (2+ / 0-)
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          CaliSista, mallyroyal

          to fight the surface-level racism, which then happens even when it's being twisted intentionally against racist causes.

          People focus on language more than on its varied meaning. People like clean lines, "word X is good, word Y is bad" -- it's damned complicated to dig under the language to actually hear the point. We just get told not to say X, we don't get told that the problem is the meaning of X, what one would have to be thinking to have it occur to you to say X in the first place, if you mean it seriously.

          So you wind up with a whole lot of people who, unless they stop to think harder, see the words as the offensive thing. Not the thoughts. Not the concepts. The words. They mean well, their hearts are in the right place, but they think it's about the words, so even if the words are being used in a twist against the meanings, it's a problem. And meanwhile, same thoughts/concepts, different words, nobody says anything.

          I think the other diary is dead on, too. But I don't predict it will get much of a warm reception here. Which is a shame, because it really should get discussed.

        •  I get what you're saying but it's not easy (2+ / 0-)
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          Spit, mallyroyal

          to take such statements at face value. I didn't go into the "shuck & jive" diary because I wasn't in the mood to be riled up by that author today. For me, it often goes back to the audience. In speaking with my Black friends and family, we might very well use a phrase like "shuck and jive" but in mixed company, the term is too loaded for me to introduce. Outside of the Black community, it then becomes a lazy way to refer to behavior only when a Black person is involved. I might reconsider if I heard Romney or Perry described in such a manner but that is quite unlikely to happen.

          In this diary, the Black/Coke thing does not have any redeeming factors. The "cleverness" or "funny" seems to be the association of Black people with drugs [or maybe relating the obesity epidemic in the Black community due in part to Cola. Perhaps that's giving too much credit :) ]

          "Someone just turned the lights on in the bar and the sexiest state doesn't look so pretty anymore" CA Treasurer Bill Lockyer on Texas budget mess

          by CaliSista on Fri Nov 04, 2011 at 01:13:47 PM PDT

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          •  coke is a 'white peoples drug' though lol (4+ / 0-)
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            Chitown Kev, Spit, Catte Nappe, CaliSista

            at least in my experience.  I've rarely (I mean VERY rarely) seen it used in all black settings.

            meth's the same way, just with poorer addicts.

            maybe thats why it didn't hit me like that.

            if they were the "Krach" brothers maybe I'd have a different take lol

            This comment is dedicated to my mellow Adept2U and his Uncle Marcus

            by mallyroyal on Fri Nov 04, 2011 at 01:20:04 PM PDT

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          •  Totally hear you (2+ / 0-)
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            Chitown Kev, CaliSista

            to be honest, I think it's pretty telling that people can't just assume in a mixed space, when they read such a title, that it's sarcastic as shit. But I know how it goes, too -- I will say things in the company of other queer folks that I would never say in a more mixed group, unless I knew the straight people present to be amazingly familiar with the queer community. Not just, "I have a couple of gay friends," mind -- really familiar with all of the complexities.  

            Because there's context to it that I know most straight people otherwise won't likely get. And I don't want to be either providing them an excuse to clumsily misuse what I'm saying, or just confuse the shit out of them.

            This title, I think, was just going for the over-the-top bleak humor. I'd bet it would read really differently in a majority Black space, but I don't know.

            •  coke, cock... (2+ / 0-)
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              Spit, CaliSista

              I'm a black gay man so there were several places I went with that title, lol.

              I'd bet it would read really differently in a majority Black space, but I don't know.

              It would.

              Sometimes, satire really doesn't cross cultural boundaries very well.

              •  Heh (2+ / 0-)
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                Chitown Kev, CaliSista

                I remember earlier when I was watching PBS, the screen would pop up about support from the David H. Koch foundation. They later added a voiceover of a kid pronouncing it, and I remember thinking, ha, I guess they got sick of hearing it pronounced "cock!"

                I mean, I'd bet junior high was really no fun for the Kochs.

                Satire is probably the hardest thing to cross those boundaries with in a healthy way, given the depth of the real damage, especially when it does sometimes unfortunately seem to wind up being misused. I blame that phenomenon for Dave Chappelle flipping his lid -- I knew when I started seeing white frat boys flinging around his jokes without the irony that it hadn't quite worked out as we all could have hoped.

                But that's a whole 'nuther can of worms.

  •  I would suggest (2+ / 0-)
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    mallyroyal, Spit

    if you really wanted to get this post out, copy the text into a new post and make the next title a tad more specific. There's no way I would want anyone to see the current one.

    There is no belief, however foolish, that will not gather its faithful adherents who will defend it to the death. -- Isaac Asimov

    by tytalus on Fri Nov 04, 2011 at 12:32:39 PM PDT

  •  ahem (1+ / 0-)
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    SoCaliana

    Cain proud of his Koch habit.

    Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit.

    by LaughingPlanet on Fri Nov 04, 2011 at 12:54:03 PM PDT

  •  WTF with the title???? (0+ / 0-)

    "Rick Perry talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans." --- James Carville

    by LaurenMonica on Fri Nov 04, 2011 at 01:20:33 PM PDT

  •  I think your point is an important one. (1+ / 0-)
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    tytalus

    And I'm sorry that this appears to be a difficult place for it to gain traction, title or no.

    I suspect the point is a hard one for some folks to relate to, and those white posters who do get it probably often feel like they have little to add -- mostly because of an unfortunate lack of familiarity with how these sorts of issues have played out in Black politics for ages (white politics using Black politics, more like).

    Just wanted to say so. Thanks for the diary. I wasn't aware of the connection, so you've informed me, at least.

  •  That title is not cool. (0+ / 0-)

    Have an HR.

    "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." Mohandas Gandhi

    by 2dimeshift on Fri Nov 04, 2011 at 03:08:31 PM PDT

  •  Still not liking the title (0+ / 0-)

    I feel so bad for you though! It's a good topic, a well written diary. From your comments I can tell you didn't mean to offend.

    Seriously, I would just unpublish this and write a new one with a better title. There is obviously not going to be any productive discussion now...

    R.I.P. Troy Anthony Davis
    October 9, 1968 - September 21, 2011

    by SwedishJewfish on Fri Nov 04, 2011 at 04:11:45 PM PDT

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