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Watch this video and circulate it before the Koch Brothers copyright monster yanks it down.

This clip is going to be the basis for many a commercial in the next few months. In the Age of OWS, a gross and near criminal maldistribution of wealth, and a mass public who are awakening to how the kleptocrats and financiers brought upon the Great Recession, the last thing a wise candidate should do is announce that they are the pawns of the Koch Brothers.

What does this appearance gain Herman Cain at this juncture? He must kiss the ring, but this knee-bending bit of political fellatio just seems very ill-timed.

Question: what negro folkisms and bits of black vernacular English will Herman Cain shuck, buck, and duck with next?

He has used "shucky ducky" already. Now we have "brother from another mother." If Herman Cain continues at this rate, the burnt cork will be brought out very, very soon.

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  •  What Toure Said... (3+ / 0-)

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  •  "Shucking and Jiving"? (3+ / 0-)
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    Inland, rcnewton, dotsright

    You couldn't think of another way to get your meaning across?

    •  and (6+ / 0-)

      why not tell the truth of what his performance is?

      Cain is a new age race minstrel. I have said that elsewhere to much complaint and attention. I repeat it here as well.

      •  if you would have made a "shuck and jive" (2+ / 0-)
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        reference  about obama, people around here would have shunned you as a racist. the hypocrisy around here is starting to burn.

        In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress. -John Adams

        by rcnewton on Fri Nov 04, 2011 at 02:34:24 PM PDT

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        •  beware (2+ / 0-)
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          the common right wing canard that is false equivalence, the "both sides do it" lie.

          Herman Cain is performing a very different type of blackness and negritude than is Barack Obama. Whatever one thinks of Obama's policies he is really a model of black respectability, success, comportment, and in some ways genius.

          Cain is the anti-Obama. Take that as you would have it.

          Herman Cain, a Morehouse graduate and a rocket scientist is acting like a semi-literate black sharecropper and/or happy slave right out of the worst part of the white racial id and Jim Crow imagination.  

          Thus, to say that Obama shucks and jives for white folks in the same way that Cain puts on the metaphorical cork to please white conservatives as their lapdog and supplicant would be patently untrue.

          Cain is playing a game here. The next thing you know he is going to say that slavery was good for black Americans because it got us out of Africa, brought us Christian values, and taught us discipline.

          Trust me, he will go there.

          •  Here's the thing... (0+ / 0-)

            When Andrew Cuomo used the phrase "shuck and jive" about Obama in 2008, he was excoriated over it, and it wasn't, for the most part, because people thought the term was inaccurately applied.  The bulk of the criticism, as I recall it, was because people felt the phrase shouldn't be used regarding a person of color, period.  

    •  lets call it what it is. (8+ / 0-)

      it's not racist to say Cain is putting on a show for white people when it's true.

      This comment is dedicated to my mellow Adept2U and his Uncle Marcus

      by mallyroyal on Fri Nov 04, 2011 at 12:38:33 PM PDT

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    •  ummm, (5+ / 0-)

      No...I think the diarist got right.

    •  The meaning is dead on (8+ / 0-)

      I wouldn't use the term as a white person, mind. But the meaning and context here make it utterly appropriate IMO.

      I'll expand that.

      Cain is playing a role. Cain is playing a role for the benefit of white conservatives, and no, I don't mean because of his politics. I mean because of his race.

      It's like watching Aunt Jemima play a role for white people. Or any mammy role anywhere, for white people. Or every damned Wise Old Black Man role that Morgan Freeman has ever played (not to pick on him, exactly, I enjoy him, but his roles fall frighteningly often under what Spike Lee termed the "Magical Negro").

      It's a marketing gig, and it's a racially loaded one, including Cain's use of language. So I find the language here used to describe the phenomenon to be more than appropriate.

      •  I agree, Spit (2+ / 0-)
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        Like you, I also wouldn't use the same language but I'm becoming increasingly uncomfortable with Cain's performance and even more so with the comments of unrepentant racists, Coulter and Limbaugh:

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

        Ann Coulter On Herman Cain: 'Our Blacks Are So Much Better Than Their Blacks' (VIDEO)

        Coulter brought things back to race, saying that some women had been quick to forgive Bill Clinton for his sexual transgressions, but were attacking Herman Cain. "If you are a conservative black, they will believe the most horrible sexualized fantasies of these uptight white feminists," she said.

        I recognize that both Coulter and Limbaugh are out of their element and both have, perhaps unwittingly, managed to tap into the not so subconscious thoughts and feelings of the republican base.

        Despite what the polls say, I don't believe that the idea of a black man being accused of harassing a woman is as easily dismissed as the Cain campaign would like.

        May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house. George Carlin

        by msmacgyver on Fri Nov 04, 2011 at 02:02:05 PM PDT

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        •  There are more complexities in that (1+ / 0-)
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          than I can shake a sociologist at. To be honest, I have zero idea how it's all going to play out.

          But I'm sure we can trust Coulter and Limbaugh to present everything involved with care for and with full understanding of the long and twisty sets of historical context here, for sure. Yep. That's going to go well.

          Gawd.

          •  No kidding! (1+ / 0-)
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            Coulter especially has her own issues and her reference to Clinton is very telling.  She cannot let this go because she was on one of the legal teams which represented Paula Jones in her sexual harassment case.  I posted the link to Wiki-Coulter and excerpts on another comment, but it explains a lot about her life and career.

            As far as tapping into the "sexualized fantasies of the uptight white feminists", she is just poking at a hornet's nest on that one.  As you say, "long and twisty sets of historical context..." and if the republicans and Baggers were having a hard time repressing their stereotypical images of a black man, "harassment" of any kind is going to push some buttons.  

            May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house. George Carlin

            by msmacgyver on Fri Nov 04, 2011 at 02:32:52 PM PDT

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            •  there are treatises (2+ / 0-)
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              to be written on the psycho sexual dynamics of the right's support for herb cain.

              if the accusers are indeed white women, and i am damn sure they are, Cain is done for. i would love to have a peek inside the average limbaugh fox coulter supplicant when they have to sort out that cognitive dissonance.

              •  We don't have to probe too far into the (0+ / 0-)

                subconscious minds of Dittoheads and Coulterites to know that the Cain candidacy has been one hell of a culture shock and as we know, conservatives do not like change.

                As you point out, Cain has managed to fit into a comfortable niche in the minds of some republicans and with the blessing of the Koch brothers, has had a fairly easy time of it.

                I focused on the psycho-sexual dynamics almost immediately after the Politico story broke.  I'm 60ish and qualify as one of Coulter's liberal "white feminists" with a long history of being sexually harassed in the work place and always by men who were in positions higher than mine.  It's always about power, no matter what the underlying reason.

                The accusations against Cain of harassment are tapping into the subconscious minds of those plantation minded white republicans who neither want a black man to have power nor do they want him to be the stereotypical threat to "their" women.

                I've been reading some of your previous Diaries and have been unsure how to respond, but this one struck the right chord with me.  Thanks.

                May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house. George Carlin

                by msmacgyver on Fri Nov 04, 2011 at 04:33:36 PM PDT

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    •  that was the entire point of the title. (0+ / 0-)

      calm down.

  •  true story. (6+ / 0-)

    last time he bust out singing I was mortified, straight up.

    ole sleep'n'eat ass ***.  fuck him.

    This comment is dedicated to my mellow Adept2U and his Uncle Marcus

    by mallyroyal on Fri Nov 04, 2011 at 12:27:01 PM PDT

  •  He'll Be Singing "Ol Man River" Any Minute Now.... (8+ / 0-)

    A week or so ago, Herman said "racism in the country doesn't hold anybody back in a big way".  Now he's blaming racism for the pickle he's in.   Racism & the Liberal press.

    He just said "If you're not rich....blame yourself" & "If you don't have a job....blame yourself"?

    Apparently that doesn't apply to Herman.  He's blaming everybody but himself.  

  •  Poor choice of words. (0+ / 0-)

    Assent- and you are sane- Demur- you’re straightway dangerous- And handled with a Chain- - Emily Dickinson

    by SpamNunn on Fri Nov 04, 2011 at 01:04:48 PM PDT

    •  what would be (5+ / 0-)
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      a better choice? Cain is playing a role. That role has deep historical roots. He knows exactly what he is doing.

      Lots of folks don't realize that race minstrelsy was America's first type of authentic mass, popular culture. Most folks also don't know that postcards got their start as a way of circulating lynching photography (and also pictures of dead children if I recall, post 1865).

      Thus, Cain is digging in some some pretty deep waters. His audiences may not have the vocabulary to say that he is a "minstrel" who plays up to the fantasies of Whiteness regarding black humanity and personhood, but they do know that it makes them feel good. And that is just enough for them to cheer and howl for him.

      •  If you said that about Obama, you would have (0+ / 0-)

        boney mojo in a heartbeat.  

        Assent- and you are sane- Demur- you’re straightway dangerous- And handled with a Chain- - Emily Dickinson

        by SpamNunn on Fri Nov 04, 2011 at 07:01:18 PM PDT

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        •  doesn't (2+ / 0-)
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          mean it isn't true.

          i don't dance or shuffle or play for approval from others. again, we need to not let our truth telling be limited by some fear of false equivalency. that is the biggest weapon lazy thinkers and the right have against the common good.

          we also shouldn't be limited by other folks' poor, inaccurate, misunderstood, quaint, confused, pearl clutching, lazy thinking faux pc reactions.

          truth burns sometimes. drink it down slow.

          for example, sarah palin can incite violence but the left and progressives get cowtowed and humbled by her defender's lies that "both sides do it."

          palin also has a head full of nothing and is a dunce, a leader of the mouth breathing upright walking right wing faux populists. that isn't "anti-feminist." it is a true statement.

          if obama ever acts like a race minstrel i will call him out for it. if he buck dances for white democrats, puts on a voice from song of the south, and tells white folks that jim crow was okay, that other black people are stupid and on a plantation, and then proceeds to sing a spiritual, i will be first in line to call him to the carpet.

          take the observation about cain in the context of his deeds and words. there is a political imagination he is signaling to. as a black man of the south he knows how to shuffle and say "yes mr. charlie." sadly, he took the wrong lesson away from that unfortunate survival skill.

          •  And that hasn't happened yet? Please. (0+ / 0-)
            If obama ever acts like a race minstrel i will call him out for it. if he buck dances for white democrats, puts on a voice from song of the south, and tells white folks that jim crow was okay, that other black people are stupid and on a plantation, and then proceeds to sing a spiritual, i will be first in line to call him to the carpet.

            Assent- and you are sane- Demur- you’re straightway dangerous- And handled with a Chain- - Emily Dickinson

            by SpamNunn on Fri Nov 04, 2011 at 09:51:15 PM PDT

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    •  deliberate choice of words. and it gets the point (0+ / 0-)

      across more strongly than using all the antiseptic language that's so popular on this site.

  •  I can't figure you out. (0+ / 0-)

    I am in broad sympathy with almost everything you say, at least in diary form, but almost all of your diaries have some seriously obnoxious thing in them.  It's like you're acting on a dare.

    But nobody's buying flowers from the flower lady.

    by Rich in PA on Fri Nov 04, 2011 at 01:11:27 PM PDT

  •  I truly have no idea what that means other than (1+ / 0-)
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    he is saying his father slutted around with multiple women.

    Sometimes there is so much writing, you need a bigger wall.

    by pucklady on Fri Nov 04, 2011 at 01:47:27 PM PDT

    •  I think the inference is that (0+ / 0-)

      Koch Senior is his father.

      May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house. George Carlin

      by msmacgyver on Fri Nov 04, 2011 at 02:06:32 PM PDT

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      •  But he says "other mother" (0+ / 0-)

        So, literally, it means he has siblings from the "real mother" and he is the result of the "other mother". What else can you interpret?

        Sometimes there is so much writing, you need a bigger wall.

        by pucklady on Fri Nov 04, 2011 at 02:08:32 PM PDT

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        •  "I am the Koch brothers' brother from (1+ / 0-)
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          another mother" is the quote from the video.  I watched/listened to it three times to make sure.

          So, yes, he is saying that they are brothers because the Koch brothers' father is his father.  The "another" mother is his.

          May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house. George Carlin

          by msmacgyver on Fri Nov 04, 2011 at 02:23:38 PM PDT

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  •  Not burnt cork, titanium dioxide (1+ / 0-)
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    The Kochs don't need to pretend to be anything but what they are (filthy rich evil white tycoons). It's Cain who's got to conform to their appearances, not they to his. And he's laying it on so thick that a coat of whiteface is surely next.

    If it's
    Not your body
    Then it's
    Not your choice
    AND it's
    None of your damn business!

    by TheOtherMaven on Fri Nov 04, 2011 at 02:30:27 PM PDT

  •  I have been mostly mute on this (3+ / 0-)
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    site since the Great Purge (I wasn't purged: just sickened by the process), but I have to unmask myself just this once to tell you how much I agree with your analysis, down to your gentle push back against the delicate flowers who do not want to acknowledge Cain's obvious minstrel act.  And they should appreciate your moderation:  Where I come from, there are even more ways of describing Cain's behavior, some of which the delicate flowers among us might find even more offensive.  For example, you could have referred him to a tray-carrying, foot-dragging, butt-kissing lackey, a string of invectives I often heard in the old days when people in my community had occasion to talk about people like Cain.

    •  i have used some other harsh (2+ / 0-)
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      (er) words too.

      glad you see I am being polite.

      He is an opportunist. I hate his allusions to slavery and the democratic plantation and how a history he should honor and have respect for is a toy for political gain.

      As my grandmother, who is from the South, would say about confused negroes like Herman Cain, that he bends over backwards to please people who wouldn't allow him the pleasure and privilege of cleaning their toilets. There is some deep racial Stockholm syndrome pathology at work in Cain, Fanon would have a field day.

      He is a slave catcher or better yet a slave driver. He relishes the role.

  •  Another angle-shining more light on the Koch bros (0+ / 0-)

    The more their name gets out in the media the better. People will (hopefully) start asking questions. Who's he talking about? Who are they? What's their agenda?

    This is what I'm seeing out of this episode. imho

    Warning: That light at the end of the tunnel just might be an oncoming train.

    by history first on Fri Nov 04, 2011 at 05:03:53 PM PDT

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