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The time has come, I suggest, to forget about the Republican primary farce.
Ms. Maddow had it right last night -- most of the candidates there are a joke,
a punk, a stunt to sell books and win post-election speaking engagements.

The time has come to talk about something else: Who should run as VP
with  Obama?

This is not against Joe Biden. Seemingly, he has done well. But I want to see the W. H. chemistry changed, I want to see Obama FORCED into be more active and more ballsy, and I think that will occur, if it still can occur, by giving him a hotshot VP candidate to run with: Hillary Clinton.
    I expect Obama does not want her because she would draw so much attention to herself - thus, it will take pressure from the outside to make that happen. I don't know if Hillary wants the job. She'd have to pay more attention to her appearance, re-hire her W. H. hairdresser and change a lot of her focus.  But, honestly, I do not see anyone else in the Democrats' picture who could do the job and help keep Democrats in office.
Do you?  I have ceased to care about Obama personally, but I do care about the office of President, I care about who may be appointed to the Supreme Court in the years ahead, and lots more - and I expect others here do too.
     So, I will now conclude, with a question:  Do you, citizens of Kosville, want to see Biden replaced with H. Clinton to run in 2012?  I have thought about this long and hard, and I want her and am willing to work to that end.  How many will join in this effort?
Please post/answer.
     One more thing:  Let me URGE you all to read Ezra Klein's take on the Obama situation, how we got here and where we can go to make it better, in the current New York Review of Books. I received it in the mail today and read his essay. It is depressing, but it is accurate. He pins the jackass's tail on Geithner, and ultimately on Obama for our current national stalemate and dilemma.  Just read it.  You'll understand a lot more of what is going on. [NYRB, issue dated Nov 24, 201, Vol LVIII, No. 18, page 10, "Obama's Confidence Men.]

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  •  Hillary 2016 n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    Jeremimi

    I will vote for Obama, and every Democrat I can vote for, in 2012.

    by Food Gas Lodging on Sat Nov 05, 2011 at 06:41:00 PM PDT

  •  Simple answer (10+ / 0-)

    NO.

    Republicans 2012 . . . Keeping millions out of work to put one man out of a job.

    by jsfox on Sat Nov 05, 2011 at 06:44:45 PM PDT

  •  I prefer Bernie to Hillary the Obliterator. (nt) (3+ / 0-)
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    Marie, janmtairy, boophus

    "If I can't dance, then I don't want to be in your revolution"--Emma Goldman

    by ehrenfeucht games on Sat Nov 05, 2011 at 06:46:02 PM PDT

  •  Agree to a point (1+ / 0-)
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    kevinpdx

    I'd like to see someone replace Slow Joe for a couple of reasons:

    1.  Joe does create a lot of unneeded gaffes that the White House must clean up and God knows we don't need those distractions.

    2.  We need a candidate for 2016 and the VP spot is a good one from which to launch a Presidential bid -- and we know Biden will not be the Democratic Presidential candidate in 2016.

    All of which raises the questions:

    1.  If we dump Joe, how do we keep it from appearing to be a train wreck in the Obama administration?

    2.  Who replaces Biden?

  •  mrm - The President would never replace Joe (4+ / 0-)

    unless Biden had a health issue, or decided on his own to retire.  It is not in Obama's character to dump Biden.

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Sat Nov 05, 2011 at 06:56:53 PM PDT

    •  I agree, VClib, but . . . (0+ / 0-)

      I tried to indicate I thought Obama would resist dumping Biden in favor of history -- largely for the increasingly familiar profile of Obama's self-regard and ego needs. My point on this is that top powers/top money/advisors in the Democratic party would have to prevail upon Obama to do so -- and they'd have to convince Hillary, too.  Both of those are monumental tasks!
         It's time for  a smoke-filled room and some group think; left on his own Obama is too conservative and would not make the change -- another example: Geithner, a real bow wow who shouls have been ushered out after the Bank of A. incident where Geithner did not follow a direct order. When Obama found out about it -- he did nothing. He let insubordination go unchallenged.  

  •  What's with this Clinton adoration (4+ / 0-)
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    Gooserock, Pluto, dinazina, drawingporno

    around here?  We already have a war-mongering, Wall St. ass-kissing Democrat in the WH.  Not exactly what Obama promised, and most definitely not what most of those who voted for him wanted, which is why he and not Hillary won the nomination.  

    The neo-liberals, regardless if they are Democrats or Republicans, have been and are destroying this country.  Those that don't yet get that are asking for more income/wealth inequality and more poverty.  

  •  Won't happen, and why would you think (8+ / 0-)

    HRC as VP would have any effect on Obama's presidency?  He's the president.  Seems like all this nonsense was hashed out when Obama was picking his VP last time.  Silly diary.

    Turn your face to the sun and the shadows fall behind you.

    by chicago minx on Sat Nov 05, 2011 at 07:02:08 PM PDT

  •  This is a pointless diary, since Joe Biden will (3+ / 0-)

    be the VP.  But were I to pick someone else--in the event that Biden dropped out for some reason--it would be Kirsten Gillibrand.

    Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. --Mark Twain

    by SottoVoce on Sat Nov 05, 2011 at 07:06:36 PM PDT

  •  An obese, impotent, serial draft dodger (0+ / 0-)

    who has a history of substance abuse, divorced multiple times, no knowledge of economics, history, or the US Constitution, convictions for soliciting in men's bathrooms and who has received payments from Pakistani agents.

    All he needs to say is that his for Constitutional amendments to:

    1) Keep the federal government out of Medicare

    2) Balance the budget

    3) Eliminate income taxes

    4) Electrocute gays, Muslims, activist judges

    5) Name all children after Ronald Reagan

    he will win over 90% of the Republican vote

    •  barry, are you in the right diary? (2+ / 0-)
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      drawingporno, skohayes

      who are you describing above?  I'm guessing Gingrich.

      apparently due to ancient hardware and the transition to dk4 I can't recc tip jars or comments any longer so in lieu of the 'standard nod' you'll see a variety of replies until this gets fixed or becomes a mighty big fucking pain in the ass

      by oopsaDaisy on Sat Nov 05, 2011 at 08:40:30 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Sherrod Brown (2+ / 0-)
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    drawingporno, NamelessGenXer

    Ohio might be in playin 2012 and we really need to start thinking about 2016. Biden was brought aboard because of his Senate insight, connections and sway...so much for that.

  •  sounds like the HRC in 2016 campaign (1+ / 0-)
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    dinazina

    is already getting to work.

  •  More important is who will get to deliver that (3+ / 0-)
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    SoCaliana, Wee Mama, drawingporno

    keynote speech at the Democratic National Convention.  If it's anybody but Elizabeth Warren, the party at best will be dragging its ass to the finish line.

    "And now we know that government by organized money is just as dangerous as government by organized mob." -- FDR

    by Mogolori on Sat Nov 05, 2011 at 07:17:33 PM PDT

  •  Yeah...she'd have to (0+ / 0-)

    Pay more attention to her appearance and re-hire her old haidresser to qualify.

    Jeebus...

    "All men having power ought to be distrusted to a certain degree" -- James Madison

    by paulitics on Sat Nov 05, 2011 at 07:18:55 PM PDT

  •  Obama Is Immune to His Left Side (2+ / 0-)
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    drawingporno, Ahianne

    and so is Hillary when any kind of important economics are the issue, so she's not a policy answer.

    There's nothing we can do about the WH.

    Progressivism is happening by the working class through unions in many of the states and by intellectuals and other activists in Occupy-tions many places.

    In the short term this will help on issue voting and local candidate elections. It was reported tonight that for example in Ohio many school districts put together levy issues for November because the big pushback for the repeal of the Repubs' Issue 5, the anti-union-and-much-more bill, is polling strong to turn out a lot of school-friendly Democrats.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sat Nov 05, 2011 at 07:18:58 PM PDT

  •  Excellent article by Klein. Thanks (0+ / 0-)

    for the recommendation.  As for VP, I agree with other posters that there will be no change in the 2012 ticket.

    He that hath the worst cause makes the most noise - Thomas Fuller

    by Hanging Up My Tusks on Sat Nov 05, 2011 at 08:18:08 PM PDT

  •  He's called Old Joe for a reason. (0+ / 0-)

    He's old. And he'll be very old in 2016. He was helpful in places like PA in 2008, but his political usefulness at this point is limited. He's been a senior politician since the age of 29 (when he entered the Senate). God forbid he should retire and let someone else have a shot. It's not like he's ever going to be elected president.

  •  Oh, brother. Elizabeth Warren... (0+ / 0-)

    ...Kirsten Gillibrand, Kamala Harris if you must have a woman. Not Hillary Clinton. No. Never. So so wrong on so many different levels. It's painful to see that there are still some Democrats that just refuse to let go of this chimera. It's almost like the Palin devotees....Ugh! Just fucking stop it already. I'm all for replacing Biden with some young blood but I'd be afraid that Obama, in an effort to appear supremely "bipartisan", would pick someone like Marco Rubio. Please, all of you Hillary supporters----give it up. Put your sad little obsession away and try to forget about it. For your own good. That ship has not only sailed, it's been sunk and salvaged, relaunched and sunk once more.  

    •  You know porno... (1+ / 0-)
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      drawingporno

      You don't give us one reason for what you are urging.
      In a word:  Why?

      Gillibrand is a good idea.  I'll talk it over with the boys.

      Thanks!

      •  Too old, too much baggage, Bill,... (0+ / 0-)

        ...too warmonger-y, too much history, too Third Way-ish, ties to the "Family", just old weird rotted-out warped Democratic ideas....Spent too much time in the halls of power...if you think the repug hate Obama just add Hillary and get 10X the noxious effort. Too many seedy "friends". It's endless.
           No. Just no. You want Youth? Vision? Enough time in our world to value the 99% and not just see us as abstractions? Gillibrand, Baby! That's our 2016 PRESIDENTRESS!!!! Kirsten Gillibrand.

        •  What I want? (1+ / 0-)
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          drawingporno

          Drawing, what I want is a Democratic candidate who can be elected.  It is that simple.  A cleaned up and refreshed H. R. C.
          just may sharply improve the electability of Obama, with her
          as his VP.
          At the same time, if there is someone better - go for it! I am thus far impressed by Sen. Markley of Oregon -- but he may be to 'proper' seeming, too liberal.
          I do not necessarily want youth or vision -- I want effectiveness; we tried youth and vision with Obama, and what did we get?  Big Banks!

          •  Well, we were all played by the... (0+ / 0-)

            ...Obama package. It's the system that flawed. Still, Mrs. Clinton is just too much of an insider to galvanize the Liberal base. How about Eric Schneiderman (the NY A.G.)? He's probably on Obama's shit list for defying the amnesty deal for the banksters but he would definitely excite a lot of the left (and whatever few on the right who've not gone berserker) and he represents the will of the people. I've got a boner for his courage and tenacity.

      •  Besides, She LOST. Bad mojo. (0+ / 0-)

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