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Story from LA Times, teen to take plea deal and serve 21 more years in prison for murder http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.... Second degree murder plea. Not sure how to feel about it. Horrible crime but not a slap on wrist.

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  •  Tip Jar (8+ / 0-)

    Just another faggity fag socialist fuckstick homosinner!

    by Ian S on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 03:13:12 PM PST

  •  Thank you for the link. (1+ / 0-)
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    Wee Mama

    How long till he's eligible to be paroled?

    grieving citizen of the murdered Republic, unrepentant rebel against the Empire.

    by khereva on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 03:15:56 PM PST

    •  According to story... (2+ / 0-)
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      Wee Mama, craigkg

      he'll be in prison until he's 38.

      Just another faggity fag socialist fuckstick homosinner!

      by Ian S on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 03:17:23 PM PST

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      •  That's not quite what it said. (2+ / 0-)
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        Wee Mama, craigkg

        It said he could be released by the time he's 38.

        So, again, what's the minimum before parole for 2nd degree murder in California?

        grieving citizen of the murdered Republic, unrepentant rebel against the Empire.

        by khereva on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 03:20:40 PM PST

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        •  It also said he'd spend the next 21 years (2+ / 0-)
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          in jail. Still, the article is not absolutely clear on this point.

          Just another faggity fag socialist fuckstick homosinner!

          by Ian S on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 04:03:28 PM PST

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          •  The article is very oddly worded (0+ / 0-)

            By the wording, this could be a 25 year sentence minus the time already served, but I've never seen a journalist do that math and then call it a 21 year sentence. It is a 25 year sentence of which approximately 3 years and 9 months has already been served while going through the trial. We need more details obviously. Shoddy journalism on the Times part.

            "So it was OK to waterboard a guy over 80 times but God forbid the guy who could understand what that prick was saying has a boyfriend."--Jon Stewart

            by craigkg on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 04:32:48 PM PST

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      •  It's less than entirely clear (4+ / 0-)

        Bad reporting from LAT. I presume the plea agreement means he has to serve a 21-year term before he's eligible for parole but the article (not your fault) might have benefited from a better explanation. What's also not entirely clear is whether or not the 21-year term is in addition to time served (four years?) or includes it.

  •  Gosh We Live In A Fuc&ed Up Society (2+ / 0-)
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    Wee Mama, blueoasis

    when we have 14 year old child killing other children something is really, really wrong. This is just terrible and sad across the board.

    When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

    by webranding on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 03:19:49 PM PST

  •  This is a horrible crime (1+ / 0-)
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    and given what juvenile murderers are sentenced to these days, likely in line or perhaps tougher than in other cases.

    All that said, I cannot accept what our country now considers normal sentencing for juveniles.  Along with 3 strikes, mandatory sentencing and all the rest...this is just wrong.  

    We have become a theater state of punishment (and yes that includes the police brutality aimed at OWS).  Their is no rehabilitation, only punishment that increases recidivism and makes a nation that condones torture.

    So...no, I cannot accept the punishment this child has received...no matter how horrible his crimes were (and they were horrible).

    "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

    by Empty Vessel on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 03:27:03 PM PST

    •  Thier=there (0+ / 0-)

      "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

      by Empty Vessel on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 03:27:44 PM PST

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    •  I Often Use The Phrase Hindsight Is 20/20 (1+ / 0-)
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      But I bet if we read all the court documents we would find this person showed a lot, I mean a lot of signs they were troubled and nobody tried to help. We saw this clearly with the guy that tried to kill Giffords. This upsets me greatly.

      When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

      by webranding on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 03:31:52 PM PST

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      •  For me, there is simply (1+ / 0-)
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        no way to predict what the actions of a 14 year old will mean they will be like when they are 30.  Even if this kid had every advantage, I would still oppose a 21 year sentence.  Same as I would for any other child murderer.  They should never be tried or sentenced as adults...because they are not adults.

        "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

        by Empty Vessel on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 03:40:36 PM PST

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    •  He may have only been a kid... (1+ / 0-)
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      but I'm sorry, I just don't trust this guy to be out on the streets. Do you?

      Just another faggity fag socialist fuckstick homosinner!

      by Ian S on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 04:06:15 PM PST

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      •  I just did a quick look (0+ / 0-)

        and there seem to be plenty of studies that show recidivism rates are higher for juveniles tried as adults than as juveniles tried as juveniles (these mostly concern robbery, not murder [likely since numbers are too small])

        Based on the experience of Europe, shorter sentences and rehabilitation lead to lower recidivism.

        "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

        by Empty Vessel on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 04:14:53 PM PST

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  •  Considering that this is the Lawrence King murder (2+ / 0-)
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    seanflynn, ChiTownDenny

    maybe putting King or Brandon McInerney's name in your headline will generate a lot of comments.

    As for the plea deal...I'm satiisfied with this sentence.

  •  He's getting off light (2+ / 0-)
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    webranding, erush1345

    It should have been at least 30 to life. Second degree murder in a case of a premeditated first degree murder with both a hate crime and gun enhancement is an undeserved gift. He decided to kill Larry a day before he did it, went home and got a gun, brought it to school the next day, lay in wait for his victim, shot him in the back of the head at point blank range, after making eye contact with the teacher screaming at him, turned back toward Larry and fired the gun a second time into his brain.  He not only killed him, but he did so in front of a classroom full of other 8th graders.

    Oh, and 21 years, with the time already served, means he'd get out at 35 at the latest. He may well get out on parole sooner than that.

    This is a travesty of justice.

    "So it was OK to waterboard a guy over 80 times but God forbid the guy who could understand what that prick was saying has a boyfriend."--Jon Stewart

    by craigkg on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 03:33:56 PM PST

    •  I Somewhat Agree, If He Was Older (1+ / 0-)
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      he was 14 when he committed murder, and it was a murder. Clearly. And I don't know where you draw the line. Is 14 an adult? Is 16? I don't know and you most likely need to look at it on a case by case basis. But 14 is pretty close to being a kid, a child in my book.

      When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

      by webranding on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 03:37:52 PM PST

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      •  Yes, but what we may have here... (2+ / 0-)
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        ...is the case of a sociopath or a psychopath caught early. He clearly displayed no conscience when he committed the murder and I do tend to think that people 14 and older that don't have a conscience don't tend to grow a one as they get older. For me, the important part of a just sentence would be "to life" so that experts can continue to evaluate him as he gets older and have the ability to never release him if he doesn't have a conscience at 35, because if he doesn't and is released, he will be back in prison at some point. This isn't about being vindictive, it is about society being able to protect itself.

        And this is most definitely a case-by-case situation. I don't believe in a hard bright line determining when a child can be tried as an adult. The totality of circumstances must be evaluated. I've known some 24 year olds that are as much a child as a pre-teen and I've known some very precocious pre-teens that are more mature than most 24 year olds. But I also know that sending the child to a juvenile justice system where they automatically age out at 18 or at worst 21 is a far inferior solution than a system where, given the gravity of the offense, experts can better evaluate when it is safe to release the now adult person so that they are not a danger to society and are unlikely to commit a similar act or the same violent act they committed as a child.

        "So it was OK to waterboard a guy over 80 times but God forbid the guy who could understand what that prick was saying has a boyfriend."--Jon Stewart

        by craigkg on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 03:51:20 PM PST

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    •  Yeah...my thing is (4+ / 0-)

      I'm queasy that he was tried as an adult, that never sat right with me although I am quite sure that the jurors would have found a POC guilty on all charges.

      •  We need something in between child and adult (2+ / 0-)
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        jgilhousen, Chitown Kev

        in our justice system. The juvenile system ages offenders out at 18 or 21, even if they are still dangerous, but the adult system is ill-equiped and often inappropriate for handling most juvenile crimes committed due to the poor impulse control of juveniles. I wish that were the case here. Too much of the information that came out about the degree to which he planned it and wanted to do it strikes me that this was far from an impulse killing.

        "So it was OK to waterboard a guy over 80 times but God forbid the guy who could understand what that prick was saying has a boyfriend."--Jon Stewart

        by craigkg on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 03:56:04 PM PST

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