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I’m often puzzled by why we have such a penchant for finding fault with people who are generally doing good for the rest of society (whether they profit from it or not), sometimes doing the Lord’s work, sometimes just doing good work, and making an effort and often sacrificing, but because we find a flaw, a loose thread, an inconsistency (b/c god forbid people be inconsistent), all our doubts are confirmed  Ah ha!!  S/he’s a phony.  I KNEW IT.  

But who among us can meet those standards?  They must be perfect to have any credibility for us, even when they’re doing amazingly positive things?  

I think that kind of exacting demands of others comes from a fear of putting faith and trust in others because they might let us down.  Wah.  Because it’s easier in a way to not have faith because that way you’ve got nothing to lose.  You won’t get fooled again, nope, not this time.  You’re going to preemptively not have faith, and when you see a flaw or you’re let down, your disbelief will have been confirmed.  If you have faith in someone or something, you might be disappointed.  And then you might go cry.  

I don't expect Michael Moore not to take full advantage of his success and live in a nice house and send his kids to good schools.  Who among us wouldn't do the same?  He's proven his commitment and his bona fides to me years ago.  When did success take on such negative connotations in this country?

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  •  Tip Jar (10+ / 0-)

    You can't evict an idea whose time has come. ~Dr. Cornel West

    by mandyinseattle on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 01:45:43 PM PST

  •  Who is saying he is a hypocrite? (6+ / 0-)

    Nobody with any credibility so far.

    You may think that. I couldn't possibly comment.-- Francis Urqhart

    by Johnny Q on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 01:55:31 PM PST

    •  Oh please. That's like saying every word on here (2+ / 0-)
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      billpuppies, AnnieR

      is supportive of the president. I've seen more than a few comments critical of MM, and I'm not posting any links. If you really care, go look.

      There have also been at least 2 diaries trying to tear MM down.

      He's a walking contradiction, partly truth and partly fiction. Kris Kristofferson

      by glorificus on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 02:07:36 PM PST

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      •  But do the people making such claims (3+ / 0-)
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        tardis10, diffrntdrummr, vacantlook

        have any credibility?  Most of the whining about Moore seems to come from the "conservative" "pragmatic" "Serious" types who are responsible for creating the mess we're in.  And most of their argument boils down to "OOOOOH he's making MONEY from his work.  JUDAS!!!"

        Completely laughable on all levels.

        You may think that. I couldn't possibly comment.-- Francis Urqhart

        by Johnny Q on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 02:18:51 PM PST

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        •  I don't think so. (2+ / 0-)
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          glorificus, AnnieR

          The anti-MM comments I saw seemed to be coming from people who claimed to be supporting OWS but were mostly livid over:

          a) his presumption that he could suggest anything to OWS, because all decisions need to be made by all the people, not him;

          b) his presumption that he could suggest anything to OWS that didn't agree with the commenter's pre-determied notions of what OWS should be doing;

          and c) his presumption that he could suggest anything to OWS because his income level puts him in the 1% and therefore he must be a lying scheming bastard like all the other 1%.

          Not sayin' the commenters were actually affiliated with OWS, but the names were familiar....

          OK. And now we begin the part of the show where we pull out individual words and phrases of the commenter to try to determine the "real" meaning of the comment.... let the games begin.

          by hillbrook green on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 02:45:36 PM PST

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        •  And on what basis is "credibility" awarded? (0+ / 0-)

          He's a walking contradiction, partly truth and partly fiction. Kris Kristofferson

          by glorificus on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 03:05:04 PM PST

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  •  Agreed 100% (5+ / 0-)
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    Alice Olson, billpuppies, tardis10, AnnieR, Chi

    Just because a movement makes a point of not having demands, it doesn't mean that someone who presents a possible package of them as a point of discussion is an enemy of the movement.  Jesse La Greca/MOT made a list that was so powerful Ed Shultz put it on screen about three hours since it appeared in a diary at dKos, and I don't see anyone screaming about that.

    Don't tell me we're back to not trusting anyone over 30 again.

    All it takes is security in your own civil rights to make you complacent.

    by Dave in Northridge on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 01:57:01 PM PST

    •  Agreed 100% (0+ / 0-)

      OWS does have demands, and probably each city has their own, but they refuse to have leaders and until they do, nothin's gonna get done!

      I nominate Jesse.  He's perfect in so many ways.

      You can't evict an idea whose time has come. ~Dr. Cornel West

      by mandyinseattle on Fri Nov 25, 2011 at 12:57:37 AM PST

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  •  Who here called Michael Moore a hypocrite? (5+ / 0-)

    I musta missed that one.

    "When gratitude replaces judgment, peace spreads through your body, gentleness embraces your soul, wisdom fills your mind." - Neale Donald Walsch

    by Cinnamon on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 01:57:14 PM PST

  •  Jealousy rears its head in all kinds of (7+ / 0-)

    places.  Some people are jealous of anyone's success.  Others are jealous of people with whom they find it hard to identify, for one reason or another.
    Michael Moore is a show-off.  Shrinking violets don't really make much difference in society.
    Michael's been at this a long time, since he ran for school board at age 17.
    Would that many more were keen to emulate him.

    People to Wall Street: "LET OUR MONEY GO"

    by hannah on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 01:57:54 PM PST

    •  If nothing else (2+ / 0-)
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      He was the first to publicly say what everyone knew but wouldn't say about George Bush, at a time when it was dangerous to do so: that he was a fake through and through. And he did it in a venue that forced it to be talked about by the entire country. Nothing is more infuriating than having someone willing to ignore endless personal ad hominem attacks to deliver unavoidable truths. Michael Moore may not be Ghandi, is occasionally as self-aggrandizing as P.T. Barnum, and over the years has made a few questionable claims, but he sure as hell has figured out good ways to short-circuit traditional media narratives. As a result, they will do anything when his name comes up to avoid exactly whatever he is talking about. Usually that involves sneering.

  •  No, in answer to your diary title. (4+ / 0-)

    We delivered. They failed us. We have moved on. (h/t to my good friend)

    by gooderservice on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 02:38:54 PM PST

  •  Standard divide and conquer tactics used (1+ / 0-)
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    forever. Both here and elsewhere. Attack MM because he is "rich" and "successful" and so his sincere interest in a more just society are suspect. Attack others because they are "poor failures" motivated only by envy and laziness. Same old crap,different day.
    Solidarity.

    "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

    by tardis10 on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 02:45:12 PM PST

  •  NO (2+ / 0-)
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    "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." A. Einstein

    by moose67 on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 03:00:33 PM PST

  •  I watched it happen with Alan Grayson... (2+ / 0-)
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    ...right here.

    One of the most ardent advocate for just about everything that seems to underscore the dialog here.

    But as I recall, the beef was his stand on Israel.

    Okay. So he's a wealthy Jewish guy who feels strongly for Israel, an "uber-hawk" in the eyes of some who want to consign him to the trash heap of "fake" liberals?

    When did it become a prerequisite that someone who exerts clear leadership has to agree with every single thing every single one of us believes? When did it become a sign of "fraud" if someone lives well, despite their support for causes we hold dear? I thought standing one's ground even when it's not always popular was a sign of integrity, and in fact, I think most see it that way. But definitely not all. For some it's gotta be "my way or the highway" on every single thing. I watched it happen in 2008 as well.

    It does get tiresome at times, this tendency on the part of some -- and I emphasize "some" -- to want to demonize our own. Thankfully it gets called out.

    Ich bin ein Wisconsiner!

    by Apphouse50 on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 03:49:23 PM PST

    •  Alan Grayson is the perfect example to use. (1+ / 0-)
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      Thanks for making the point by this portrait of our behavior with Grayson, who I adore. Let's remember "Don't let the perfect be the destroyer of the good" is something we should try to practice.
      Byrnt.
      Happy Thanksgiving to all.

    •  Prerequisite (0+ / 0-)

      I certainly don't have a prereq that somebody agree with me 100% and I don't go around crying about it either LOL  Well said, Apphouse50.  

      You can't evict an idea whose time has come. ~Dr. Cornel West

      by mandyinseattle on Sat Nov 26, 2011 at 09:03:57 PM PST

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  •  The more enlightened Wealthier Americans (0+ / 0-)

    should (and do) realizes they personally have the most to loose if the Status Quo changes.

    Michael Moore became wealthy because millions of Americans could afford $10 to see his movies, afford $20 to buy his DVD's.

    Wealth is not created in a vacuum- theodore roosevelt

     

  •  Calls for us all to be Sackcloth activists (2+ / 0-)
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    to prove our worth denigrate the entire arena of activism.

    0: Number of Wall Street bankers arrested over crash of 2008. 4619: Number of Americans arrested protesting Wall Street's fraudulent practices 11/21/2011

    by Scott Wooledge on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 04:51:38 PM PST

  •  From Capitalism, A Love Story (0+ / 0-)

    The argument is as follows:

    (1) Michael Moore made a movie criticizing Capitalism, as we know it.
    (2) Michael Moore made himself rich through Capitalism, as we know it.
    (3) Therefore, Michael Moore is a hypocrite.

    The flaw in the argument lies in the "Capitalism, as we know it." Michael Moore did not advocate that we live in communes sharing our wealth with strangers. It was clear he was criticizing our cut-throat current system where we've been letting banksters and big business get away with everything while gutting all the benefits the working and middle class has earned.

    Hence, unless Michael Moore has been moonlighting as a hedge fund manager selling mortgage-backed securities, he is not a hypocrite.

    •  I would give another take (0+ / 0-)

      Even a hedge fund manager can advocate change.

      Just because he decides to profit from the status quo, he may still want changes to the system.  And once the system has been changed, he can try to find a different way to make money if hedge funds are no long so profitable.

      For me, hypocrisy is putting forward a standard of behaviour and then not following it.

      I am not aware of MM doing that.

      Bloomberg has violated the rights of protesters. I will change this signature once he is in jail

      by GideonAB on Thu Nov 24, 2011 at 02:38:33 PM PST

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