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My wife loves to cook. I love to argue. We almost always have thanksgiving with my brother and sister in law. My brother in law is ultra conservative and we always find something to argue about.

Something started him talking about how corrupt the government was. I agreed and then surprised him by saying he must support the occupy wall street movement.  He then said that OWS did not have a "single" message. Again I agreed with him. I said the movement had many messages and that one of the messages was the corruption of government.

I took many of his complaints and told him these were many of the same complaints that OWS had. We never did reach the point of him saying that he supported OWS, but it was a very different thanksgiving argument. After all was said and done they left. I doubt if he will think back to our discussion, but hope springs eternal.

There is a broader message here and that is conservatives are angry too. Actually they are mad as hell.

He couldn't remember Network. I hope he listens to it.

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  •  Obama need to be concerned about the anger. (10+ / 0-)

    People are mad as hell.

    Practice tolerance, kindness and charity.

    by LWelsch on Mon Nov 28, 2011 at 08:00:32 AM PST

    •  I get and share the anger, I don't get the logic (5+ / 0-)

      of their selection of targets.  Those angry conservatives are responding to tribal cues, and their tribe's agenda setting mechanisms are thoroughly corrupted.  While I applaud your approach to your angry conservative in-law, I am not surprised to learn that information about specific complaints he shares with those he is conditioned to think of as his enemies makes no difference in his world.  

      •  Two years to fix all the problems (1+ / 0-)
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        salmo

        All Obama gets is two years to solve all the world's problems. That is really all any president gets. "Change" meant solving all the problems, particularly the economic problems. Yes Obama changed the problems, but not in such a way that all can see.

        Practice tolerance, kindness and charity.

        by LWelsch on Mon Nov 28, 2011 at 10:27:21 AM PST

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  •  Finding Common Ground = EXCELLENT! (3+ / 0-)
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    LWelsch, luckylizard, eataTREE

    Tell him that airlines pilots marched in solidarity with Occupy Wall Street.

    Tell him that to look first at the OWS ANALYSIS of the current situation:  democracy has been perverted by  "legalized bribery" and it's high time to get big money out of government and restore it to the people.

    Have him watch this:

    REAGAN CAMPAIGNS FOR TRUMAN IN 1948


  •  I was scared this Thanksgiving (2+ / 0-)
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    LWelsch, Tinfoil Hat

    My family was out of town and I had to stick around for work reasons, so I had Thanksgiving with some friends of the family. Who happen to be -- well, not wingnuts exactly, let's just call them crazy anti-establishment CT advocates. Needless to say I was looking forward to a long afternoon of gritting my teeth keeping my mouth shut.

    But, as it turned out, our hosts made a promise to each other to avoid talking about anything "depressing" on Thanksgiving Day, including all political topics! So it was a pleasant, harmonious, and politically neutral event that was enjoyed on all sides of the political spectrum :) Yay for keeping politics out of family dinner!

    I support torturous regimes! Also, I kick puppies.

    by eataTREE on Mon Nov 28, 2011 at 10:05:31 AM PST

    •  Our arguments are not nasty (1+ / 0-)
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      eataTREE

      we both learn and we both rather enjoy them. We also don't argue all the time. They tell us what is happening in their world and we tell them what is happening in our world. Our meals together are enjoyable by all.

      Practice tolerance, kindness and charity.

      by LWelsch on Mon Nov 28, 2011 at 10:21:57 AM PST

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      •  I'm glad you're so fortunate (0+ / 0-)

        In my experience, human beings who can reliably debate politics with those whose views are radically different from their own, without heat or rancor, are quite rare.

        I do not qualify, hence my policy of keeping my mouth shut at such events wrt politics and other controversial topics.

        I support torturous regimes! Also, I kick puppies.

        by eataTREE on Mon Nov 28, 2011 at 11:37:53 AM PST

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  •  Good post. (0+ / 0-)

    Nice to hear that you had a good convo with each other. Yes, everyone should be absolutely pissed right now. OWS comes off as being more angry at people with lots of money, and us on the right are more angry with government, seeing as how those in government seem to come out rich from insider trading and what-not.

    Our family is all pretty conservative, so we usually find each other nodding in agreeance. This year we didn't talk too much about politics, but we did get into a short talk about parents not parenting, and the decline of family.

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