Skip to main content

I was watching Keith last night, which I DVR and usually skip the commercials, but for some reason let them roll for a minute and this came on and literally floored me.

You don't see this on TV everyday. http://www.youtube.com/...

So I visited http://www.the99declaration.org (Or use this one: https:/sites.google.com... )  half expecting it to be a piss-take or some kind of troll site by AFP or Rove that was actually mocking the 99%.

It's not. They're serious.

Now, I'm not so crazy about the Neo-Thus Spak Zarathusta-ish background music (Also, I was initially wary of the Giant "DONATE" Button on the top of their page - however I've subsequently confirmed this Declaration is a legit product of the OccupyPhilly Working Group), but man all those scruffy kids living in tents in the park just jumped into the big leagues with this.

Here's a second video which bullet points the goals of the Declaration. http://www.youtube.com/...

Some have said that #OWS and the Occupy Movement haven't really said what they want, or what their about - but the fact is that isn't true.  This Declaration is based on the Original OWS Declaration which was released months ago.

Following that Occupy DC Released their own Federal Budget Proposal. which goes much further into details and would have nearly as positive an impact on the Budget and Economy as the House Progressive Caucus People's Budget which was introduced months ago and promptly ignored by both Speaker Beohner and the Media even though it would save $3.2 Trillion over the next decade.

Many More Details over the flip.

Let me point out they aren't alone. Our own Frank Lee Speaking of Occupy Dailykos has reached the second iteration of his Petition for Redress of Grievances which is itself based on the Philly document and deserves some review and comment by us here.

The medium term goal of the 99% Declaration appears to be to vote/select members from every state and congressional district, as well as Puerto Rico and other provinces, to attend a National General Assembly to finalize and consolidate these varying different Grievance Documents from around the nation.

WE, THE NINETY-NINE PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, in order to form a more perfect Union, by, for and of the PEOPLE, shall elect and convene a NATIONAL GENERAL ASSEMBLY the week of July 4, 2012 in the City Of Philadelphia to prepare and ratify a PETITION FOR A REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES on behalf of the Ninety-Nine Percent of United States citizens.

Broadly Stated and as shown in the 2nd Video the Grievances and Goals are thus:

1. Elimination of the Corporate State. The merger of the American political system of republican democracy with the economic system of capitalism has resulted in the establishment of a corporate government of, by and for the benefit of domestic and multinational corporations. Therefore, the 99% of the American People demand an immediate ban on all direct and indirect private contributions of anything of value, to all politicians serving in or running for federal office in the United States.

2. Abrogation of the "Citizens United" Case. The immediate abrogation, even if it requires a Constitutional Amendment, of the outrageous and anti-democratic Supreme Court holding in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission and its progeny.  (Ed Note: There are at this time at least three separate Constitutional Amendment Proposals on this.  Here from the Senate, Here from the House and A Third Here endorsed by Thom Hartmann that fixes some of the problems with the other two.)

3. Elimination of All Private Benefits and "Perks" to Public Servants. The 99% of the American People demand the immediate prohibition of special benefits to all federal elected officials, public employees, officers, public servants, officials or their immediate family members including a corrupt “revolving door” in and out of our government.

4.  Term Limits. Members of the United States House of Representatives shall be limited to serving no more than four two-year terms in their lifetime. Members of the United States Senate shall be limited to serving no more than two six-year terms in their lifetime.

5.  A Fair Tax Code. A complete reformation and simplification of the United States Tax Code to require ALL individuals and corporations to pay a fair share of a progressive, graduated income tax by eliminating loopholes, unfair tax breaks, exemptions and unfair deductions, subsidies and ending all other methods of evading taxes.

6. Healthcare for All. Medicare for all or adoption of a universal single-payer healthcare system.

7. Protection of the Planet. Human greed, exponentially magnified by corporations, is destroying the only habitable planet known to humanity.

8. Debt Reduction. Adoption of an immediate plan to reduce the national debt to a sustainable percentage of GDP by 2020.

9. Jobs for All Americans. Passage of a comprehensive job and job-training act like the American Jobs Act to employ our citizens in jobs that are available with specialized training.

10. Student Loan Debt Reduction. Our students are more than $1 trillion in debt from education loans and have fewer employment prospects due to the financial collapse directly caused by the unbridled and unregulated greed of Wall Street.

11. Immigration Reform and Improved Border Security. Immediate passage of the Dream Act and comprehensive immigration and border security reform including offering visas, lawful permanent resident status and citizenship

12. Ending of Perpetual War for Profit. Recalling all military personnel at all non-essential bases including but not limited to Europe, South Korea, Japan, Australia and Cuba and refocusing national defense goals to address threats posed by the geopolitics of the 21st century,

13. Emergency Reform of Public Education. The education system in the United States is a resounding failure. New educational goals to train the American public to perform jobs in a 21st century economy, particularly in the areas of technology, infrastructure repair, water and resource conservation and green energy must be mandated as national security issue.

14. End Outsourcing. Subject to the elimination of corporate tax loopholes and exploited exemptions and deductions as stated in point five, limited tax incentives will be permitted to entice businesses to hire our citizens rather than outsource jobs.

15. End Currency Manipulation. Implementing immediate legislation (see e.g. H.R. 639) to encourage China (which undervalues its currency by an estimated 25% to 40%) and our other trading partners to end currency manipulation, reduce the trade deficit and end clearly identified unfair trade practices.

16. Banking and Securities Reform. Immediate reenactment of the Glass-Steagall Act and increased regulation of Wall Street and the financial industry by the SEC, FINRA, CFTC, the Justice Department and the other financial regulators including the recently established Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

17. Foreclosure Moratorium. Adoption of a plan similar to President Clinton’s proposal to end the mortgage crisis. The privately owned Federal Reserve Bank shall not continue to lower interest rates for loans to banks that are refusing to loan to small businesses and consumers.

18. Ending the Fed. The immediate formation of a non-partisan commission, overseen by Congress, to audit and investigate the short-term and long-term economic risks in eliminating the privately-owned Federal Reserve Bank and transferring all its functions to the United States Treasury Department.

19. Abolish the Electoral College and Enact Uniform Election Reforms. The 99% demand the abolishment of the Electoral College in favor of the Popular Vote in presidential elections to avoid situations where the Electoral College elects a candidate who does not receive a majority of the popular vote.

20. Ending the War in Afghanistan and Care of Veterans. An immediate withdrawal of all combat troops from Afghanistan and a substantial increase in the amount of funding for veteran job training and placement.

21. Repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act ("DOMA").  Immediate passage of Senate bill, S. 598, and House bill, H.R. 1116, to repeal the Defense Of Marriage Act because all human beings have the right to love and marry another human being regardless of gender or sexual orientation.

22. No Censorship of the Internet. The Internet and its related technologies foster free speech, innovation, and a global human consciousness. We believe that the Internet and its related technologies are the joint property of humanity, and as such, it must not be censored or regulated in any manner without the consent of the people who utilize and contribute to its vitality. We therefore demand the immediate withdrawal of the Stop Online Piracy Act or "SOPA" (H.R. 3261) and the Protect IP Act (S. 968).

I think some of these ideas are better than others, some will take a long time to implement - some aren't entirely practical - but no one can say that the issues,  grievances and "demands" haven't been listed, they have been.

Yet this, like the other various proposals, is but a draft, it's merely a suggestion, one that this proposed National General Assembly would finalize and ratify.  

But once that is done, things get really serious.

V. BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that IF the PETITION FOR A REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES approved by the 876 Delegates of the NATIONAL GENERAL ASSEMBLY in consultation with the NINETY-NINE PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE, is not acted upon within a reasonable time and to the satisfaction of the Delegates of the NATIONAL GENERAL ASSEMBLY, said Delegates shall reconvene to utilize the grassroots network established in the election of the NATIONAL GENERAL ASSEMBLY to organize a new INDEPENDENT POLITICAL PARTY to run candidates for every available Congressional seat in the mid-term election of 2014 and again in 2016 until all vestiges of the existing corrupt corporatocracy have been eradicated through the power of the ballot box.

I think waiting until 2014 might be giving our current politicians a little too much rope to hang themselves with - but it is moving to that next phase in a real way.  Taking the grassroots and community connections that have been built via #Occupy and making them into a Permanent Political Force that will remain until every one of their grievances are addressed.

Everyone who looks at the above list has to know almost none of it will be enacted "immediately"   The Anti-Choice Movement has been trying to slowly chip away at Roe V Wade for Decades. This is going to take some time, and going to take some commitment, it's going to take dealing with half-steps and half-measures that don't quite get us where we need to be - it may require a considerable amount of adjustment and tweeking to be practical - but this is beginning to show the #Occupy has plans to stay and the 99% will no longer be ignored, dismissed or trampled.

I'm thinking pretty soon, Bloomberg, Quan, Villaraigosa and others will have wished that they had simply let the Occupy protestors stay in the park(s) - because now they're just about everywhere.

They can stomp on them. Kettle Them. Beat them. Arrest them. Pepper Spray them. Use Fascist Intimidation Tactics on them.  But still, #Occupy Grows.

Vyan

7:58 AM PT: CBS in Philly, the proposed site of the National General Assembly: has news on this:


PHILADELPHIA (CBS) – Mayor Michael Nutter was reacting cautiously on Wednesday to word that national organizers of “Occupy Wall Street” and similar protests across the country plan to gather in Philadelphia next summer.

The plans are found in a document posted online by an “Occupy Wall Street” working group, titled “The 99 Percent Declaration.” The document proposes a National General Assembly to be held in Philadelphia starting on July 4th, 2012 and running through next October.

The proposal says the Assembly would operate similarly to the original “Committees of Correspondence” — the Founding Fathers who met in Philadelphia prior to what the group refers to as “the first American Revolution.”



So it does seem to be confirmed, despite my initial concerns, and Occupy Philly is part of and/or directing it.


Originally posted to Vyan on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 06:55 AM PST.

Also republished by ClassWarfare Newsletter: WallStreet VS Working Class Global Occupy movement, Progressive Hippie, and Dream Menders.

EMAIL TO A FRIEND X
Your Email has been sent.
You must add at least one tag to this diary before publishing it.

Add keywords that describe this diary. Separate multiple keywords with commas.
Tagging tips - Search For Tags - Browse For Tags

?

More Tagging tips:

A tag is a way to search for this diary. If someone is searching for "Barack Obama," is this a diary they'd be trying to find?

Use a person's full name, without any title. Senator Obama may become President Obama, and Michelle Obama might run for office.

If your diary covers an election or elected official, use election tags, which are generally the state abbreviation followed by the office. CA-01 is the first district House seat. CA-Sen covers both senate races. NY-GOV covers the New York governor's race.

Tags do not compound: that is, "education reform" is a completely different tag from "education". A tag like "reform" alone is probably not meaningful.

Consider if one or more of these tags fits your diary: Civil Rights, Community, Congress, Culture, Economy, Education, Elections, Energy, Environment, Health Care, International, Labor, Law, Media, Meta, National Security, Science, Transportation, or White House. If your diary is specific to a state, consider adding the state (California, Texas, etc). Keep in mind, though, that there are many wonderful and important diaries that don't fit in any of these tags. Don't worry if yours doesn't.

You can add a private note to this diary when hotlisting it:
Are you sure you want to remove this diary from your hotlist?
Are you sure you want to remove your recommendation? You can only recommend a diary once, so you will not be able to re-recommend it afterwards.
Rescue this diary, and add a note:
Are you sure you want to remove this diary from Rescue?
Choose where to republish this diary. The diary will be added to the queue for that group. Publish it from the queue to make it appear.

You must be a member of a group to use this feature.

Add a quick update to your diary without changing the diary itself:
Are you sure you want to remove this diary?
(The diary will be removed from the site and returned to your drafts for further editing.)
(The diary will be removed.)
Are you sure you want to save these changes to the published diary?

Comment Preferences

  •  Tip Jar (128+ / 0-)
  •  Occupiers reborn as a legislative advocacy force (30+ / 0-)

    Exactly what #Occupy v2.0 should look like.

    They now literally have worldwide respect and recognition as a force to be reckoned with.  Now it's time to leverage that political capital into real legislative changes.

    And accomplish all that while occupying someplace warm.

    The free market is a great thing - we should try it some time. - J. Hightower

    by thenekkidtruth on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 07:02:43 AM PST

    •  A number of people have been (7+ / 0-)

      calling for an Article V Amendment solution and I think it helped OWS develop the concept for the 99% Declaration:

      Article V Amendment

      The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

      Once this effort builds momentum, then you're going to see some terrified politicians make a concerted effort to kill it.

      Thanks Vyan for posting this diary.  Here are some links to discussions about an article V solution. (I included a great diary by Ralph Lopez on the Daily Kos).

      http://erickoch.ca/...

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

      http://www.usdayofrage.org/...

      http://www.dailykos.com/...

      http://www.theatlantic.com/...

      http://mydd.com/...

    •  1/3 of what Occupy 2.0 should look like (6+ / 0-)

      second 1/3--keep moving your money (organizations, churches, cities)
      third 1/3--foreclosure defense and occupation

      Being ignored is the difference between being a one percenter and an American.--sweeper

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 12:05:59 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Exactly, there are a lot of people (0+ / 0-)

        who have absolutely zero desire to participate in legislative advocacy.  Doing so may be the downfall of the movement if a large amount of the focus is shifted to advocacy.  All it would take is a few losses in the legislative arena and all momentum is lost, and really does anyone think any of these things have a chance of passing right now?  Ditto with working for campaigns, OWS grew out of a disgust with the ineffectual nature of these things, to expect it to embrace them now is absurd.  Another problem with this route is that it will end up making the movement look like a wing of the Democratic party unless people push for electing other parties, preferably third parties because I don't think anyone is under the impression that the GOP is in any way better than the Dems when it comes to kowtowing to wall street and the rich.

        This isn't to say no one should be working on these things, this is exactly the sort of thing that people who can't occupy can work on.  If you can't be out there doing actions then you can push in other ways.

        There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

        by AoT on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 02:14:06 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  Second that. (0+ / 0-)

        If there's a reason for the rich to rule, please Lord, tell us why. -Battle of Jericol, Coal Mining Woman

        by JayRaye on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 02:48:57 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  Need another batch looking to (0+ / 0-)

        mic check the offensive and downright mean folks who now run this country.

        And don't forget we got some stuff coming up this month and will have some stuff coming up next month until we get this sh1{ resolved.

        We need to get more people involved cause we have so much work to do!

        Congress is at 9% approval rating - within the +/- of making herpes more popular than congress! - Webranding

        by glitterscale on Fri Dec 09, 2011 at 02:15:13 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  why does your link redirect (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    denig

    to DecafTeaParty.com

  •  "...once that is done, things get really serious." (5+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    lcj98, rabel, elwior, sockpuppet, J M F

    What's so serious about trying to start another political party?  Seems sort of routine, historically.

    All you have to do is convince the electorate.

    •  Unlike the Green Party (16+ / 0-)

      they plan to build on top of the Occupy Infrastructure and not just run nationally for President every four years as a spoiler, but also locally.  Ultimately getting directly involved in the political process is what they need to do, something I suggested ever before Occupy arrived on the scene.  It's as serious as you can get about turning this country around, but reaching out and grabbing hold of the wheel yourself.

      •  Does the Green Party not run in local elections (7+ / 0-)

        where you are?  Green candidates run in local elections all the time in Tucson.

        Kind of off topic, but just wondering.

        To believe that markets determine value is to believe that milk comes from plastic bottles. Bromley (1985)

        by sneakers563 on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 08:17:12 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  To my knowledge, (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          GreenSooner, elwior

          the Green Party fields candidates in local elections. They also--to whatever degree they allow themselves to be co-opted by interests seeking to "spoil" elections for progressives--do not advocate that model, and, indeed, champion electoral reforms such as ranked-choice voting to make elections more difficult to abuse.  

          It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

          by karmsy on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 09:25:22 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  On 3rd Party Presidential Campaigns (3+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            J M F, karmsy, shaharazade

            In many, many states, parties can only maintain their ballot status if they run in top-of-the-ticket elections like Governor and President.

            Whatever else the GP has and hasn't done, it's not responsible for our bipartisanly crazy ballot access laws!

            Tunis...Cairo...Tripoli...Wall Street

            by GreenSooner on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 09:36:50 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  Take it to Dem primaries. (0+ / 0-)

              Like the Tea Party has done to the GOP. Only for good, not evil.

              "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

              by HeyMikey on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 01:32:18 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

          •  Ranked choice voting--KEY to Third Party building. (10+ / 0-)

            It means people can vote for a third party candidate without risking throwing the election to the dogs -- or the Republicans -- or whatever "worst choice" is currently keeping people in line.

            Occupy should make this one of their demands.  If it got established in several states, and people could see how it works, I think the idea would spread quickly. It would dramatically change the electoral politics of the United State, much for the better, making the system more responsive to changing needs of the people.  

            Third parties could grow organically, getting established on state and local levels, getting some representation in Congress, and as they were ready taking more and more power nationally.

            We need this.

        •  they often seem to ignore local and state (2+ / 0-)

          races for federal ones.

          the emphasis, I think, and have always thought, is wrong.

          the far right got where it was going by starting at the level of the School Board.

          Being ignored is the difference between being a one percenter and an American.--sweeper

          by SouthernLiberalinMD on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 12:06:59 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

      •  The Greens have PRIMARILY run locally. (0+ / 0-)

        The only reason people think of them as presidential spoilers is because of Ralph Nader, who is not nor ever has been a Green Party member.

        This is how OWS wanders off into the political wilderness with the tiny fraction of a percent who have the willingness and the MEANS to endure the GAs.  If they do this, they will just be another overwhelmingly white, male, middle-class, ideologically pure faction of the left.

      •  Seems to me the Green Party (0+ / 0-)

        could be a core group to help establish #7, "Protection of the Planet," in collaboration with say the Sierra Club and Greenpeace.

        Surely other existing groups with special expertise would want to "join" the new party, e.g. the Electronic Frontiers Foundation has been working forever on Internet freedom. (We the People did pay to develop tcp/ip, via the the so-called Defense Department and Rand. Right? If corporations want access, let them buy it from us ;)

        It will take some doing to get it together, but at least We the People have real expertise in all these matters. That is in contrast to those who know only how to pretend and lie.

        Thanks for the excellent news and fine diary, Vyan.

        "Let each unique song be sung and the spell of differentiation be broken" - Winter Rabbit

        by cotterperson on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 01:24:18 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  23. Free the media from corporate domination (27+ / 0-)

    News should be the accurate reporting of information, not unending infomercials to protect the rich.

    If cats could blog, they wouldn't

    by crystal eyes on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 07:34:39 AM PST

  •  OWS Grows AND Matures! (13+ / 0-)

    Awesome!

    This post is dedicated to myself, without whom, I'd be somebody else. Though I'd still be an asshole. My Music: [http://www.myspace.com/beetwasher]

    by Beetwasher on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 07:41:43 AM PST

  •  OWLS (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    divineorder, elwior, DawnN, PSzymeczek

     Innovates and adapts to change.

  •  On board with most of these. (8+ / 0-)

    A few quibbles along the way:

    I don't know what this means, but it sounds like a conservative-ish disproportionate grudge against the public sector:

    3. Elimination of All Private Benefits and "Perks" to Public Servants. The 99% of the American People demand the immediate prohibition of special benefits to all federal elected officials, public employees, officers, public servants, officials or their immediate family members including a corrupt “revolving door” in and out of our government.

    There are downsides to term limits of legislative bodies, and I'm not sure the creators of this list have thoroughly considered them.  If you have permanent, professional lobbyists but a constant turnover of legislators, doesn't make them even easier pickings?  Reconsider:

    4.  Term Limits. Members of the United States House of Representatives shall be limited to serving no more than four two-year terms in their lifetime. Members of the United States Senate shall be limited to serving no more than two six-year terms in their lifetime.
    12. Ending of Perpetual War for Profit. Recalling all military personnel at all non-essential bases including but not limited to Europe, South Korea, Japan, Australia and Cuba and refocusing national defense goals to address threats posed by the geopolitics of the 21st century,

    I differ with this group's view of "nonessential."  China is very much a threat, and will grow to be even more of one, so bases in Asia and the Pacific islands are definitely essential.  Moreover, just because we don't have bases somewhere doesn't mean any other country will refrain from doing so, so everywhere that China would be likely to be move into our absence as a strategic expansion of their power we should stick around.

    20. Ending the War in Afghanistan and Care of Veterans. An immediate withdrawal of all combat troops from Afghanistan and a substantial increase in the amount of funding for veteran job training and placement.

    Way simplistic and ideological demand.  The basis for our presence in Afghanistan has not abated, and simply leaving is not a solution to the legitimate problems that brought us there.  It would be a violation of our responsibilities, a mindless abrogation of clear national and regional security imperatives, and a rolling death sentence to countless Afghans into the indefinite future.  We would just have to go back again when we are attacked again.

    Republicans are a party of seven-digit inherited wealth, two-digit IQs, and subzero conscience.

    by Troubadour on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 08:08:06 AM PST

    •  did you see this: (10+ / 0-)
      It cannot be overemphasized that The 99% Declaration Working Group is purely a facilitation group which has two functions: (1) organize a transparent democratic election of the 876 delegates in March and (2) provide a venue for the delegates to meet in July so they may produce a petition for a redress of grievances to be served on the federal government before the 2012 general election in November.  We take no position on what should be in the petition for a redress of grievances and the 20+ grievances and solutions in the 99% Declaration are only examples of the types of issues that are of great concern to this group and, we believe, the 99% of Americans.

      I found this on their site under the About the 99% declaration

      Their goal seems to be to elect delegates to forge a document and these 20 demands are just a sort of starting point.

      I refuse to believe corporations are people until Texas executes one

      by k8dd8d on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 08:51:19 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  I was gonna post the same then re: term limits (7+ / 0-)

      In my mind, the concept of "term limits" follows from a concern with corruption and the obvious advantages incumbency has in winning an election.  The idea seems to be that if a legislator falls to corruption, at least they won't be there long enough to do any lasting damage.

      But in my mind, this falls prey to a classic fallacy when thinking about the government.  You don't really notice when the government's doing its job well.  When you're driving down a road free of potholes, you don't really notice the road.  You almost never think, "Wow, this is nice, I should really drop a line to my legislator and thank him for keeping the funding going to let these roads stay in good repair."  The only time you really notice something like that is if the road used to be full of holes, but has just been resurfaced, and it's the first couple of times you've been on it since.  

      The idea of term limits strike me as rather like being used to driving on roads with no potholes, but some holes have since developed on your commute.  Rather than petition to have that specific road repaired and those specific holes filled, you come up with an idea to keep anyone from having to deal with potholes again: "Let's resurface all the roads every other year!"  Good job, no more, or at least much fewer potholes for people to deal with.  Unanticipated consequence: all that bleeding construction on the road you now have to deal with.

      The problem with term limits is that sometimes it can take decades to craft a fully comprehensive body of law and funding to deal with a novel situation.  If you start swapping out legislators a quarter of the way through the process, you hamstring your ability to craft that legislation well and you increase the ability of lobbyists and wealthy contributors to pull that legislation off track.

      I'm so against term limits that I don't even think the term limits for the Presidency are a good idea.  We'd have been much better off if we could have elected Clinton to a third term rather than Bush Jr, and nobody can tell me that W would have beat Billy in that general election, even after Monica.  Term limits are a bad idea to a problem that can be much better addressed in other ways, like public matching funds for all campaigns and increasing the wait time for the revolving door between jobs as a legislator and jobs lobbying for special interests.

      From such crooked wood as that which man is made of, nothing straight can be fashioned. -Immanuel Kant

      by Nellebracht on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 09:11:14 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  I've never been a fan of term limits. (4+ / 0-)

        On the face of it, they're anti-democratic (prohibiting a constituency from electing the person of their choice).  And so long as lobbyists and corporate CEOs aren't term-limited, they create a structural disadvantage for our elected representatives.

        There are many better ways to accomplish what term-limits are supposed to do...many of which are among the other items on the list of demands.

        One thing that isn't there, but should be: dramatically increase the number of members of Congress.  

        After growing for the first century and a half of our nation's history, the House of Representatives has stayed the same size since the 1920s. The result is that our Representatives have grown further and further from the people as the size of the country has grown.

        Simply doubling the size of the House would be a good start...though we'd need to triple it to return districts to their 1920 sizes.

        Tunis...Cairo...Tripoli...Wall Street

        by GreenSooner on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 09:42:26 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  your point about term limits (7+ / 0-)

      is spot on. The poster child for the downside of term limits is California.

  •  Great Post, Great Video, Great Movement! n/t (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Evolutionary, elwior

    Convict Bush, Cheney and their torture cabal. Support universal health care,unions, WikiLeaks and Occupy Wall Street! Time for a totally new, democratic economic system. Turn the corporations into worker cooperatives!

    by Justina on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 08:10:21 AM PST

  •  We Need People who are willing to serve (8+ / 0-)

    The point of this National General Assembly is to create a finalized document of the grievances we want fixed.

    It is not to flood Philadelphia with 100,000 people next summer, but for each of us, in our own congressional districts, to organize ourselves and select from among ourselves 2 representatives to attend this national General Assembly.

    Those representatives who volunteer to serve on this will then hammer out the final language of the document. This is our Petition.

    While the representatives sent to the National General Assembly will "sign" the finalized version, I believe we should also have an electronic final copy available so that ALL citizens have an opportunity to add their own names to the Petition - one, national People's Microphone. The point being it does NOT come from less than 900 representatives - it comes from MILLIONS.

    The plan is to then deliver the finalized to every single member of congress, the Supreme Court and the President.

    "When gratitude replaces judgment, peace spreads through your body, gentleness embraces your soul, wisdom fills your mind." - Neale Donald Walsch

    by Cinnamon on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 08:29:44 AM PST

    •  I would be willing to serve. (4+ / 0-)

      As things progress I am hoping that there will be concrete information available which calls for candidates as well as procedures for elections, etc.  

    •  A couple thoughts on this (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      angelajean

      First off, if it is a bunch of representatives of various occupations it isn't a General Assembly.  GAs are open affairs and are decidedly not a matter of representation for others.  Participatory democracy means that it isn't representative, by definition.  That said, I do have a problem with the actual meat of the proposal, a couple problems really.  

      First is that it uses existing districts, I think that is a giant mistake as it perpetuates a number of problems with the current system.  The second is that a lot of the GAs aren't going to endorse this specifically because of the representative aspect of it.  It's fine that people want representation, but this movement has been and will continue to be about the empowerment of the individual, not just about financial disparity.  The financial disparity is an aspect of the disempowerment of individuals, but it isn't the whole story.

      I think this will be far to divisive to gain any traction.  I know that neither New York or Oakland will approve this, and I feel like they might explicitly distance themselves from it, which would be a death blow.

      On another note, this did not come out of a Philly working group, it came from an individual in upstate New York.  He came and pitched it in New York and made no headway with it, specifically because it wasn't developed by consensus.  I don't know if he went to Philly next or if Philly was the first that was receptive, but while this was approved of by Philly it in no way "came out of a working group" in Philly.

      There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

      by AoT on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 02:27:22 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  They really need... (5+ / 0-)

    to spruce up that Geocities looking website though. Looks a little scammy.

    "Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest" - Diderot

    by Reverend Floyd on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 08:46:33 AM PST

    •  yeah. If anyone knows the organizer (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Reverend Floyd, Shakludanto

      please PM with the info. I'm happy to give them a modern website that doesn't make people's scam-dar go up.

      It's pet peeve of mine.

      I'm not sure these are the same folks that I got involved with a month ago or not. The name is the same thought and everything else.

      Anyway, as I said, I'm willing to build them a site that looks credible and modern.

      PM if you know who I should connect with.

      I've become re-radicalized. Thanks a lot you bunch of oligarchical fascist sons-of-bitches. But once again, I have no choice. Bring it the fuck on.

      by mdmslle on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 10:50:03 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  the second video was powerful! (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    elwior

    This video gave me goosebumps.  I love the way it evokes the original assembly by visual, auditory and sentimentality (?) - that elusive quality that convinces us that we too can be as daring, dedicated and effective as our countries founders.  

    These two videos have given me hope that this movement will last and give us profound, lasting changes in our country's social / political character and operating procedures.  These changes have the potential to be as politically revolutionary as the original conception and birth of the USA.  

    It is time that this country matures from its teen-age years and moves into adulthood.

    Long live the USA; Long live the occupy movement!

  •  Other than some needed clarification about what (7+ / 0-)

    they think of as 'perks' for Civil Servants (being one I only get 'benefits' like collectively bargained for health 'insurance', sick and vacation time, etc.) - I think this is great.  
    A big question for many was - how to we bring Direct Democracy (General Assembly) to America on a larger scale.  Having each Occupy send delegates to what appears to be a People's Congress is what we call "Representative Democracy".  This is a welcome step for everyone.  This is how the Founding Fathers did it, and it's about time.

    #OccupyOMC - "We have a permit, its called The Constitution".

    by Evolutionary on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 08:55:15 AM PST

  •  term limits are a terrible idea (5+ / 0-)

    It takes a couple of years for people to really get to know a job as complicated as being a rep. or a sen., so what ends up happening is that the unelected staff develop more and more (and more and more) real, behind the scenes, power since they are the only ones who know how anything works. And, if you use California as an example, because the legislators aren't really worried about developing long last working relationships with folks on the other side of the aisle, but are concerned about their post elected career, they end becoming more extreme, both to the left and to the right, and the legislature becomes more and more dysfunctional.

  •  Good job. n/t (4+ / 0-)

    The surest way to predict the future is to invent it. — Stephen Post. [Me at Twitter.]

    by Meteor Blades on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 09:07:44 AM PST

  •  At last, a OWS post I can rec with a fair amount (6+ / 0-)

    of enthusiasm.

    I like the idea of putting Rebuplicans, Blue Dog Dems, and progressive Dems who have a hard time keeping track of their spine all on notice. Get your shit together now or we will come after ALL of you in 2014.

    Regarding this:

    it's going to take dealing with half-steps and half-measures that don't quite get us where we need to be - it may require a considerable amount of adjustment and tweeking to be practical

    That's nekkid pragmatism yer talkin' about there. That's been wholly unpalatable for what seems to be a majority of folks around these parts. Careful Vyan, before you know it you'll be painted as a corporatist sell out.

    Thanks for a very encouraging post.

    Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

    by JTinDC on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 09:10:10 AM PST

  •  Sounds like an America I could live in. (3+ / 0-)

    Right now, even with the Euro crisis, Finland beats the socks off of the States' current situation.

    It would be nice to see America as an option.

    (For starters, universal health care and a real Dept. of Defense rather than the current imperial office it is [Anyone trying to convince me that bases in over 100 nations doesn't constitute a 21st century empire has one hell of an argument to make])

  •  good start, but i would add equal rights amendment (5+ / 0-)

    for women, as well as true equal rights for people of color and the poor, and addressing treaty issues and rights of Indians.

    Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Mohandas K. Gandhi

    by Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 09:30:41 AM PST

  •  99% declaration is silly (5+ / 0-)

    Yeah I agree with most of their politics, but we don't need a convention on July 4, 2012 with two representatives from each of the 435 gerrymandered districts (who knows how these representatives are supposed to be decided - particularly by a movement that thus far has shunned representative democracy).  It also doesn't seem right to call for a convention to determine grievances, while including a list which "may or may not" be decided upon at the convention.

    It also seems strange that they are advertising this on TV rather than trying to first involve the grassroots.  In fact, the group promoting this has been very divisive in the movement by the way they went about things.

    •  i remember the beginnings of it. (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Catte Nappe

      I bowed out at the time because it was a bit "authoritarian" and rushed which earned my suspicion enough to take a wait and see attitude.

      It seems now that they've aligned with OccupyPhilly. I guess it didn't work out with OWSNY.

      I left the group after watching a week of squabbling in the forums. I was not happy about the "decisive take-it-or-leave-it tone" exhibited by the originator of the group. Or the setting up of payment avenues before anything else. Too much money talk, too much rush rush and not enough consensus for me. It felt like one guy's idea and damn anyone who didn't agree or wanted to bring another viewpoint.

      I have no idea how or whether things have smoothed out. But from the looks of it they are collecting money and buying ad time (although 48 seconds is an odd time for ads - I'm not sure they're BUYING ad time as much as getting some publicity around their ad. I'm not aware of anyone selling ad blocks in 48 second increments).

      I've become re-radicalized. Thanks a lot you bunch of oligarchical fascist sons-of-bitches. But once again, I have no choice. Bring it the fuck on.

      by mdmslle on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 10:56:46 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  they may be jerks in the working groups (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        mdmslle

        but this is a good move.

        Being ignored is the difference between being a one percenter and an American.--sweeper

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 12:09:35 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  i liked it too at the time. I still do (0+ / 0-)

          but I left saying that if they couldnt organize better they'd end up doing harm to the movement. Honestly, it was chaos in there. I'm not a skittish person nor am I afraid of change or revolutionary concepts. But it was an utter mess at the beginning. So much so that I didn't want to be associated with it and thought that it might actually HARM the movement in that sort of way that one violent person can "harm" the movement. Like that.

          I've become re-radicalized. Thanks a lot you bunch of oligarchical fascist sons-of-bitches. But once again, I have no choice. Bring it the fuck on.

          by mdmslle on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 12:26:56 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

    •  Not silly at. all! The Constitution calls for a (0+ / 0-)

      redress of grievances and belittling the process of democracy by saying  "who knows how these representatives are supposed to be decided"  shows your lack of understanding of how the Occupy movement operates. At every Occupy location ( yes EVERY location) there are teams of Legal advisers who guide and require that all decisions are made by consensus and that no one is hijacking the movement. Going the official route of calling for a grassroots convention representative of the people is EXACTLY the proper method to make changes to a government that is everyday, more and more being bought and paid for by the wealthy and powerful. In fact, I think it's the only way.

      Use this for our causes! "Goodbye American Dream" music: http://tinyurl.com/3hhtuyo lyrics: http://tinyurl.com/3jm7g2k

      by Fireshadow on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 02:33:10 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  So glad this is real... (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    elwior, Killer of Sacred Cows

    I had the same initial reaction as the diarist.  Was watching Olberman Monday night and I accidentally saw a frame from a commercial with a flag and referencing the 1% (WTF?) ... so I backed it up and watched it and went to the website.  Called my buddy and pointed him to it,  Seems the video only went up that day (12/5).

    I was so excited I came to dKos looking for some reference to it and posted a comment in a MoT diary asking about it... wanted to make sure this wasn't some Rovian trick... but nothing... until this diary.  I kinda expected Kieth to make some reference to this commercial during his broadcast, which I don't believe he's done (yet anyway).

    So this REALLY lifts my spirits for the holidays.  Welcome to the next phase of the revolution which will not be televised.

    Some folks trust to reason. Others trust to might. I don't trust to nothing. But I know it come out right.

    by dalemac on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 09:46:38 AM PST

  •  They forgot "direct" democracy (0+ / 0-)

    Ballot initiatives are the origin of most reforms, recently including publicly financed elections (passed by initiative in 7 of 8 states with such "clean" elections), medical marijuana  (in 10 of 16 states with it), term limits (in 14 of 15 states with them) and increasing minimum wages (in all 6 states that tried in 2006). See http://Vote.org/... for references and more examples. The media have focused on the few problem initiatives in order to please politicians, who resent sharing power with the people, and who keep the initiative process difficult for us. (It's easy for the wealthy, who also control politicians.)The most fundamental reform is NATIONAL ballot initiatives with improvements like Oregon is now using: http://HealthyDemocracyOregon.org  The best project is led by famed former Senator Mike Gravel:  http://Vote.org

    Vote at http://Vote.org to take the "mock" out of democracy!

    by Evan Ravitz on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 09:58:17 AM PST

  •  I don't support the election of reps... (0+ / 0-)

    but I would support a national assembly of folks participating via internet, with a central gathering place if people can make it. No elected reps. Direct democracy.

  •  This particular group has operated (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    mdmslle, lastlegslaststand

    outside of the GA in New York. I would tread carefully here, as I'm wondering how much of this proposed assembly and demands was actually born out of a consensus process that is part of an encampment, or an encampment that was...

    •  i think part of the "problem" is that the NYCGA (3+ / 0-)

      doesn't actually have any authority.

      I mean, we treat the Zucotti occupiers as if they are the "central government" of the movement or something. It's not true. They are ONE occupation. They happened to the be first. But there are dozens across the country and they each are doing their own thing based on their own consensus. No one is looking to NYCGA as if they are the ones who have to "approve" or "deny" actions. Or at least nobody should be. I thought that was the idea of the leaderless movement.

      So the thing is, it doesn't really matter whether it's connected to OWS or not. Anyone anywhere can start are movement that dovetails with the message and spirit of Occupy and there is no centralized "approval" process that needs to take place.

      I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the idea or not. I got involved at the inception when they were organizing through the NYCGA working group page. That created confusion. I left because it was too top-down for my taste at the time. But regardless, there is no necessity of someone putting this idea out there and promoting it and it certainly doesn't need to be "approved" by NYCGA or any other occupation.

      I've become re-radicalized. Thanks a lot you bunch of oligarchical fascist sons-of-bitches. But once again, I have no choice. Bring it the fuck on.

      by mdmslle on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 11:04:27 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  In Boston, we've never once referred to whether (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        mdmslle

        NYCGA would agree or approve of anything we're doing. We may state solidarity with something out of NYCGA, but we recognize no authority from there.

        Please remember to Witness Revolution. It means so much to them that we pay attention.

        by UnaSpenser on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 12:04:24 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  absolutely correct. and part of the issue (0+ / 0-)

          with this 99declaration was that there were a ton of folks saying they didn't have the "sanction" of OWS or the NYCGA. It became an issue, people saying they had "no consensus" on this effort etc. Which is bullshit. An independent actor doesn't need NYCGA consensus (or any other occupy consensus) to form an action group.

          So it was an issue for some and created some tension.

          When I was involved my position was that either they align with OWS or not. But if they were aligning, they should seek the consensus of each occupy group, none more important than the other. If you are not seeking to officially align, then don't.

          Seems like they are somewhere in between. They seem to be working with the Occupy Philly group so...I guess OP is OK with it.  But it's not, on its face, an "occupy" action, IMO. Which is fine by me.

          I've become re-radicalized. Thanks a lot you bunch of oligarchical fascist sons-of-bitches. But once again, I have no choice. Bring it the fuck on.

          by mdmslle on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 12:31:14 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  Part of the problem to my understanding (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            mdmslle

            is that they functioned largely online, and made declarations without a consensus process.

            •  But why do they need to do it that way? (0+ / 0-)

              They are not affiliated officially with OWS. They can create action in whatever way they choose, right?

              What's the difference between, for example, this group and say, SEIU, who decided to do an action in DC this week. That had nothing to do officially with occupy DC. It was about jobs. Or what about "Move your money" who existed before OWS but found that it dovetailed nicely with the spirit of OWS and decided to "do" a move your money day, and sort of sprang off of OWS?

              Im saying the occupy movement is a leaderless movement by choice. That means if oother people groups and organizations "activate" in a way that happens to dovetail with the OWS message, OWS has no authority to insist on consensus or to question how other groups decided to do what they're doing. The best OWS can do is say: this isnt an OWS action. But otherwise, unless they want to set themselves up as some sort of "central governing body" of any and all affinity groups or activities, I can't see why the 99devlaration would need to have "consensus" among anyone other than those who are actively participating in shaping the group's actions.

              I've become re-radicalized. Thanks a lot you bunch of oligarchical fascist sons-of-bitches. But once again, I have no choice. Bring it the fuck on.

              by mdmslle on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 05:20:57 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  I have a problem with their process... (1+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                mdmslle

                but its okay for you not to have a problem with their process. Early on they were proposing the kinds of grievance or demands that just didn't jive with me. Some were pro-democratic party. I also don't appreciate them naming a conference with elected reps without a consensus process from all of the encampments. Difficult as that sounds, it can be done. I prefer direct democracy, anyhow, and a nationwide conference with some participating by internet, for anyone in the movement who wants to attend. As mess as that sounds, it will serve to energize tens of thousands, and prevent cooptation by any one political group or ideology.

                •  well i actually bowed out early on too. (1+ / 0-)
                  Recommended by:
                  scorpiorising

                  in fact I haven't been back.

                  I left because yes, there as confusion about its connection to OWS and NYCGA in particular. I thought it was deceptive to put the thing on the working group section of the NYCGA website when it wasn't officially a OWS thing.

                  Once that got cleared up (and yes, I was one of the people who suggested that IF they were going to affiliate with OWS they needed to get consensus from all the occupy encampments), the thing that made me step away was this sense of urgency and the rush to set up bank accounts and non profit status and donation capabilities. I was unhappy with that and also felt that the guy who started it was a bit too "authoritarian" - unwilling to listen to others. dead set on his own agenda. That's why I sent him an email and said that while I thought the thing could be an important step for the movement, the way he was going about it risked harming it. (He'd put out a number of press releases and gotten quite a bit of media attention around it). And since I didn't want to contribute to anything that would harm the movement, I was bowing out.

                  that was a month or so ago. I have no idea what they're up to now or whether the issues that disturbed me then have been smoothed over. I personally don't think there's enough organization for this to go anywhere as quickly as he'd like it to.He was full steam ahead for July 4 blah blah while I felt it would be smart to get consensus from all the occupy encampments about just having a big national delegation, not so much the demands at all. I had even suggested building a website where the individual occupies could intereact with each other and build consensus around the idea of selecting a few delegates to go to the national convention as well as a streaming and participation portal for those who were not there.

                  He was dead set on july 4, 800+ delegates and making that list of actions or whatever you call it. I felt it was too fast and not beneficial to do it that way.

                  As I did before, I'll keep my eye on it. But I don't think it's going to get far on its own.

                  I've become re-radicalized. Thanks a lot you bunch of oligarchical fascist sons-of-bitches. But once again, I have no choice. Bring it the fuck on.

                  by mdmslle on Thu Dec 08, 2011 at 07:55:31 AM PST

                  [ Parent ]

  •  this isn't new per se. They started putting (0+ / 0-)

    this together and organizing it a month or so ago at least.

    I loved the idea. At the time it was a bit "crazy" in the organization of it and it was seeming a bit rushed to me and  made me uncomfortable. I decided to wait and see how things went before casting my lot.

    I loved the idea of the congressional district delegates and running people for office in each of them in 2014. I believe that the candidate that says: "I'm not taking money from big companies who are trying to buy the loyalty of my opponent. So you wont see my campaign put up 1000 ads on TeeVee telling lies about this or that to trick you into getting your vote. But here's what you get when you vote for me: someone who isn't listening to or being influenced by anyone but YOU, the voter. Take your pick."

    THAT candidate will win. THAT candidate would win today in 2012. Money or no money. People are sick of the influence of money in politics and recognize (or are beginning to) the connection between the laws that are passes that shit on us and the money that the big donors contribute. People are starting to GET IT and they're over it.

    I'm glad to hear this is moving along well. Maybe I'll look into it again.

    I've become re-radicalized. Thanks a lot you bunch of oligarchical fascist sons-of-bitches. But once again, I have no choice. Bring it the fuck on.

    by mdmslle on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 10:40:12 AM PST

  •  ARGH! Bogus Jefferson quote is bogus. (4+ / 0-)

    Talking about the one that begins the second video. Right-wingers of a more populist/libertarian stripe love this one too (only they believe that Democrats, not Republicans, are the allies of big money). Do we have to make the same mistakes they do?

    http://www.monticello.org/...

    Quotation: "The end of democracy and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of lending institutions and moneyed incorporations."

    Variations: "The country is headed toward a single and splendid government of an aristocracy founded on banking institutions and moneyed incorporations and if this tendency continues it will be the end of freedom and democracy, the few will be ruling...I hope we shall...crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations which dare already to challenge our government to trial and bid defiance to the laws of our country.  I sincerely believe that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies."[1]

    Sources consulted:

    Papers of Thomas Jefferson: Digital Edition
    Thomas Jefferson: Papers collection in Hathi Trust Digital Library
    Retirement Papers

    Earliest known appearance in print: 1994[2]

    Earliest known appearance in print, attributed to Thomas Jefferson: see above

    Status: This exact quotation has not been found in the writings of Thomas Jefferson.  It may be a mistaken amalgamation of the author's comments in the above 1994 reference with a real Jefferson quotation.  Jefferson wrote in 1825 to William Branch Giles of "a vast accession of strength from their younger recruits, who, having nothing in them of the feelings or principles of '76, now look to a single and splendid government of an aristocracy, founded on banking institutions, and monied incorporations under the guise and cloak of their favored branches of manufactures, commerce and navigation, riding and ruling over the plundered ploughman and beggared yeomanry."[3]  Chomsky's 1994 book quotes Jefferson's 1825 letter to Giles and then comments that "[Jefferson] warned that that would be the end of democracy and the defeat of the American revolution."

    "The great lie of democracy, its essential paradox, is that democracy is the first to be sacrificed when its security is at risk. Every state is totalitarian at heart; there are no ends to the cruelty it will go to to protect itself." -- Ian McDonald

    by Geenius at Wrok on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 10:42:19 AM PST

  •  Jobs for all Americans? (0+ / 0-)

    Has anyone observed the irony of a movement, railing against the corporate/political machine that keeps them down, then asking that same corporate/political machine to give them "jobs"?

    At the very least, some message reshaping ought to be considered there.  Better yet, we all ought to rethink this mindless expectation of being given "jobs" by some inevitably corporate-driven entity, and instead shift focus toward models where the individual has greater power and self-sufficiency.

  •  I recommend that Occupy Philly, (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    TriangleNC, Shakludanto, shaharazade

    Occupy DC and DKos's Frank Lee all look into using Kickstarter to fund their efforts.

    Two days, a group finished funding ($11K)  to print 100,000 copies of the the Declaration of the Occupation of Wall Street.

    People want to fund Occupy-Related Occupy-Related Projects on KickstarterProjects on Kickstarter.

  •  More OWS third-party trolling nt (0+ / 0-)

    Frank Luntz: "Occupy is having an impact on what the American people think of capitalism.”

    by DeanObama on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 11:28:08 AM PST

    •  Not at all. (0+ / 0-)

      It begins with the idea of submitting a petition for redress of grievances not with starting a third party.  Only after refusal to implement or address the concerns of the petition would a third party become necessary.

      DeanObama, the politicians are being given every chance to start dealing with the real problems before us--or explain, clearly, honestly, and to the point, why they cannot.

      As horrible as the Republican party is, simply pointing at them and saying they are bad guys is no longer an adequate justification for inaction, not after the Dems had a 60-person majority in the Senate for 2 1/2 months, a large majority in the House and an extremely popular President with the nation behind him.  The ugly and inconvenient truth is that Republicans could never have stonewalled so effectively without help from the right wing of the Democratic party.  It is currently unclear to me whether Obama considers himself part of the right wing of the Democratic party or not, but either way, he and others need to acknowledge the role of several key Democrats in the obstruction of change and the continued pandering to the wealthiest among us, and he and others need to move against those in government from both parties who are collaborating in driving millions of Americans into poverty.

      Being ignored is the difference between being a one percenter and an American.--sweeper

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 12:18:27 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Just saw Sen Manchin... (0+ / 0-)

        on MSNBC this morning with his buddy Kirk promising to kill the payroll tax idea. This goes directly to your point that we can't trust anyone except Sanders...or so it seems.

        Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do. Benjamin Franklin

        by golfervet on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 01:12:15 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  Better to send reps from each occupation (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    JayRaye

    than to go by congressional district, which strikes me as futile and counterproductive

    "We are individuals gathered with voices in unison to make a stand for our right to the opportunity to live our best life" -Lexington KY GA

    by Whimsical Rapscallion on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 11:46:10 AM PST

  •  Sadly, no mention of the Prison Industrial Complex (0+ / 0-)

    or the corruption of our justice system in this list of grievances.

    For a vast swath of the 99%, this is the number one thing to address. yet, we keep ignoring it.

    And who put that debt limit piece in? That's what feeds into the constant federal gov't hostage crises situations we have.

    Please remember to Witness Revolution. It means so much to them that we pay attention.

    by UnaSpenser on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 12:00:38 PM PST

  •  Add this one to the list: (0+ / 0-)

    "That State, Local and Federal governments enact legislation that reverses the effects of the “Kelo v. City of New London” supreme court decision."

  •  Wow. Oh wow. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Killer of Sacred Cows

    I feel like I am witnessing the historic restructuring of our nation.
    I HOPE I am witnessing the historic restructuring of our nation.

    I want to go back to believing in everything and knowing nothing at all.

    by Audri on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 12:06:20 PM PST

  •  I'm a bit suspicious of where this comes from (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    angelajean

    and how well it is actually connected at the grassroots level to all the existing occupations.

    The only group I know of doing communications amongst all the occupation is InterOccupy.

    I know that no one here in Boston has voiced support for this piece of work.

    Please remember to Witness Revolution. It means so much to them that we pay attention.

    by UnaSpenser on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 12:07:38 PM PST

  •  F*&%$ing A BRILLIANT... (0+ / 0-)

    This has be spread across the land! Hell, I'm poor but I'm gonna make my way there somehow!

    Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do. Benjamin Franklin

    by golfervet on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 01:08:47 PM PST

  •  Electoral College: progress towards abolition. (0+ / 0-)

    From the diary:

    19. Abolish the Electoral College and Enact Uniform Election Reforms. The 99% demand the abolishment of the Electoral College in favor of the Popular Vote in presidential elections to avoid situations where the Electoral College elects a candidate who does not receive a majority of the popular vote.

    The National Popular Vote plan would elect the Pres via majority vote using "interstate compacts," which would only require states with a majority of electoral votes to sign on--no Constitutional amendment needed. This could be done with just the 11 most populous states. California has already signed on.

    The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in the entire United States. The bill preserves the Electoral College, while ensuring that every vote in every state will matter in every presidential election. The National Popular Vote law has been enacted by states possessing 132 electoral votes — 49% of the 270 electoral votes needed to activate it.

    http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/

    "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

    by HeyMikey on Wed Dec 07, 2011 at 01:37:30 PM PST

  •  I would rather see something else first (0+ / 0-)

    i.e. the creation of a commission, like the National Commission for the Protection of Human Subjects of Biomedical and Behavioral Research back in the 1970's that confronted serious ethical problems about medical research on human beings.

    The OWs comission would conduct a comprehensive examination of our current economic and political systems,  identify basic principles that our systems should follow (like  equality) and then lay out  some basic guidelines our institutions should start following to meet those principles (like keeping money out of our political system, separation of corporation and state, etc.).

    Any candidate or political party could ascribe to those basic principles and guidelines. We don't need to confine the principals to a new - or old - political party. Once a political party is formed, the emphasis rapidly turns  to mechanics, fundraising, the "game", etc.

    I think we need a re-committment ceremony to our democracy first.

Meteor Blades, ogre, dalemac, glitterscale, importer, cotterperson, x, Just Saying, jancw, niemann, rasbobbo, Justina, missLotus, TravnTexas, 714day, susakinovember, CoolOnion, boadicea, mkfarkus, denig, oceanview, Cedwyn, sockpuppet, HeyMikey, Sychotic1, joliberal, zerelda, averageyoungman, molsen, Duke1676, NoMoreLies, OpherGopher, Alice Venturi, Brooke In Seattle, skotrussell, ratzo, PSzymeczek, Beetwasher, lotlizard, Isara, Ozzie, peacestpete, reddbierd, Reality Bites Back, Bright, golfervet, Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse, Keone Michaels, cookseytalbott, kestrel9000, Audri, sleipner, praenomen, gatorcog, Libby Shaw, Bruorton, joe shikspack, Zwoof, thenekkidtruth, zeke7237, shaharazade, Statusquomustgo, crystal eyes, pale cold, Noor B, offgrid, deepeco, bnasley, artisan, pioneer111, spearfish, Don midwest, bkamr, Ms Citizen, flowerfarmer, ferment, poligirl, elwior, Therapy, monkeybrainpolitics, hwmnbn, smartdemmg, pickandshovel, LaEscapee, J M F, emboyo, divineorder, ewmorr, cantelow, FinchJ, shopkeeper, sfarkash, angel d, deviant24x, Larsstephens, Words In Action, David Harris Gershon, k8dd8d, DeanObama, DiegoUK, Yasuragi, Publius2008, Floande, USHomeopath, redlum jak, DrJohnB, poorbuster, gmats, deeproots, CoExistNow, Cinnamon, LSmith, Metalman68, Regina in a Sears Kit House, Mentatmark, SouthernLiberalinMD, No one gets out alive, DawnN, livingthedream, GenXangster, papa monzano, JTinDC, OldDragon, greenbastard, oldcrow, Ginger1, Evolutionary, congenitalefty, peachcreek, ricklewsive, DSWright, Kinak, ItsaMathJoke, raina, Glen The Plumber, katiec, AZ Sphinx Moth, lastlegslaststand, Kurt Sperry, Greatwyrm, Dumas EagerSeton, Fracturedchaos, Lensy, DamselleFly, remembrance, JayRaye, Setsuna Mudo

Subscribe or Donate to support Daily Kos.

Click here for the mobile view of the site