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Don't know if you followed the Santorum shenanigans today. You can read all about it here,but briefly, Alan Colmes went on Fox News and said this:

Colmes claimed Santorum took the baby home, after living for only two hours, and "played with it for a couple of hours so his other children would know that the child was real."
He also intimated that there was something weird about the whole thing (which there was, but then again in the Santorum house perhaps even weirder things happened all the time).

Well, as a general rule I think that you need to be very careful when talking about somebody's dead infant child. I can imagine that this is a subject of some sensitivity to the Santorums.

Anyhow, all sorts of shit rained down on Colmes, to the point that he had to track down Santorum and apologize (alas, it was too late, as Colmes reputation is on life support).  So what does Rick Santorum do?

But Colmes' comments provoked an emotional response from the Republican presidential candidate and his wife earlier Monday.

Santorum choked up when asked to respond to the comments at a campaign event in Iowa.

And there it is.

The response any of us would have in this situation - anger that somebody in the media would take something so personal and make it part of a political campaign. A desire to keep private that which is most private. I was so ready, for the first time, ever, to be on Rick Santorum's side.

But alas. It was not to be. This is what he then said:

To some who don't recognize the dignity of all human life, who see it as a blob of tissue that should be discarded and disposed of, this is somehow weird. Recognizing the humanity of your son is somehow weird, somehow odd, and should be subject to ridicule.

Keep in mind, his son was born during the second trimester, so would have been in the Roe v. Wade abortion window.  Santorum took a stupid statement made by one guy - a guy who works for Fox News! - and spinning it as representing pro-choice people who think that dead second-trimester fetuses are just peachy. He turned his own personal tragedy into a lie, and then ran with it in order to score points in the culture wars and gain more support among the more extreme anti-abortionists.

He took the most personal thing, and is using it as chum in the hunt for a friggin' political office.

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  •  That's just downright vile! (7+ / 0-)

    I mean... Really? Using one's own DEAD child as a means to score cheap political brownie points with misogynistic lunatics?

    Alan Colmes was bad enough for even taking that cheap shot at Santorum, but Good Ol' Senator Man-on-Dog, Sir Frothy-Mix-A-Lot actually crossed the line... TWICE in running with it and spinning it for political gain!

    I just finished having a decent dinner with my fiancee and now, I'm almost ready for it to come back up. Just... Beyond the pale.

  •  While Colmes's comments were easily over the (2+ / 0-)
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    line, there is the possibility of a political benefit to Santorum resulting from that over-the-top observation that Colmes made.  He is, after all, one of the FAUX Noise house liberals, so he represents what a typical FAUX viewer would expect DFH liberal moonbats to say.  All the more reason to vote for a true, staunch, CONSERVATIVE man of the people who will defend the ENTIRETY of the sanctity of life against the callous, throw-away mentality of those Godless lib's...

    "In a nation ruled by swine, all pigs are upward mobile..." - Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

    by Jack K on Mon Jan 02, 2012 at 09:50:10 PM PST

  •  I don't see that at all (2+ / 0-)
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    His statement is to.about Alan's comments, and not to the larger populace. And certainly not to anyone else in particular. Colmes is obviously a dumb low class bastard though.

  •  what gets to me is the hypocrisy of the (14+ / 0-)

    "right-to-lifers" when it comes to children's well-being. Except for their own children, they seem to care only about children not yet born.
    If Santorum were known for his policies supporting children, his attempts to help all children have food, shelter, health care, good education and opportunities, then I would be more respectful of his anger.
    However, I think he and his party are the ones treating children as "a blob of tissue" by ignoring their needs and giving wealthy corporations policy priority over children. And as a person who has lost a young child, I believe I have the standing to call him on his hypocrisy.
    That said, what Colmes did was inexcusable.

    If, in our efforts to win, we become as dishonest as our opponents on the right, we don't deserve to triumph.

    by Tamar on Mon Jan 02, 2012 at 10:16:36 PM PST

    •  Unlike a lot of them, Santorum hasn't been bad ... (0+ / 0-)

      on policies dealing with already-born children.  As but one, example, he's committed the unpardonable (for righties) sin of supporting foreign aid, has co-sponsored legislation with people like John Kerry and Herb Kohl on some social issues, and has supported the food stamp program.  He's certainly part of the loony right on any number of issues, but has had more compassion to go with his conservatism than a lot of his fellow righties.  I get the impression that he has actually absorbed at least a little bit of Catholic social doctrine, rather than being strictly a spokesman for the Club for Growth (aka, in the immortal words of Governor Huckabee, "the Club for Greed").

      PROUD to be a Democrat!

      by leevank on Tue Jan 03, 2012 at 09:10:35 AM PST

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      •  I didn't really look into Santorum's (0+ / 0-)

        record on children when I wrote the comment because I was thinking about his support and involvement in horrible Republican policies.
        But I did just check his rating from the Children's Defense Fund -- in 2005 he got 11%, in 2006 he got 10%, which, believe it or not, means he was better than about 1/2 of the Republicans.  In actual votes it means he voted in a pro-child way on one out of 9 or 10 bills in each of those years.  In each year I looked at (about 3 or 4) he voted pro-child fewer than 1/2 as often as Arlen Specter who was the senior Senator from PA and was a Republican then.
        So you're right in that he is not among the worst of the Republicans.
        But he's pretty damn awful (voting against things like child care funding, funding for education of children with disabilities, Medicaid funding).
        And that he's not the worst is a very sad statement about the Republican party.

        If, in our efforts to win, we become as dishonest as our opponents on the right, we don't deserve to triumph.

        by Tamar on Tue Jan 03, 2012 at 10:46:02 AM PST

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        •  I agree with everything you said (1+ / 0-)
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          But compared to the rest of them -- especially the rest of the loony right -- he seems to have a spark of actual humanity.  But you're right that this says more about the rest of them than it does about him.

          PROUD to be a Democrat!

          by leevank on Tue Jan 03, 2012 at 10:54:19 AM PST

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  •  The ultimate opportunist! (2+ / 0-)
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    Chilling.

    Republicans take care of big money, for big money takes care of them ~ Will Rogers

    by Lefty Coaster on Mon Jan 02, 2012 at 10:20:01 PM PST

  •  what (2+ / 0-)
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    In his run for reelection man on beast in an interview discribed these events and how in took the "jar" to his senate office....

    In all affairs it's a healthy thing now and then to hang a question mark on the things you have long taken for granted." Bertrand Russell (1872-1970)

    by lippythelion69 on Mon Jan 02, 2012 at 10:55:28 PM PST

  •  The man and his wife spent the night with the (4+ / 0-)

    dead body in their bed that night.  If what they did wasn't strange...why have I never heard of a single other person doing such things

    Not to mention their children are scarred for life....I cannot imagine how traumatized those kids were by this experience. This was these two people's personal tragedy turned into a political statement. Remember these are people that supposedly believe that the human soul enters the fertilized egg at conception....therefore the body is inconsequential. They put their own needs to justify their religio/political beliefs before the emotional needs of their surviving children.

    I thought Romney scared me when  I heard about him putting the family pet in a crate on the family station for a vacation trip with the kids. But this makes that look empathetic or at least benign in comparison. Apparently the Santorum's had no empathy for the "least among THEM" their other kids.

  •  This is strange . . . very strange (8+ / 0-)

    Here's the Wikipedia report on Santorum's child:

    Santorum and his wife, Karen Garver Santorum, have seven children. One child was diagnosed with Trisomy 18, a serious genetic disorder.[125] In 1996, a son, Gabriel, was born prematurely and lived for only two hours. While pregnant, Karen Santorum developed a life-threatening intrauterine infection and a fever that reached nearly 105 degrees. She went into labor when she was 20 weeks pregnant and allowed doctors to give her Oxytocin to speed the birth.[126]

    Karen Santorum wrote a book about the experience: Letters to Gabriel: The True Story of Gabriel Michael Santorum.[127] In it, she writes that the couple brought the deceased infant home from the hospital and presented the dead child to their living children as "your brother Gabriel" and slept with the body overnight before returning it to the hospital. The anecdote was also written about by Michael Sokolove in a 2005 New York Times Magazine story on Santorum.[1]

    And the hospital or coroner or medical examiner allowed them to take the dead infant home overnight?

    •  But wait (11+ / 0-)

      If the infection would have killed her, but giving oxytocin was guaranteed to expel the fetus, isn't that the same situation he is saying other women should be denied the same treatment in? Isn't he one who believes that there are no circumstances under which a woman should be allowed to abort, even if it kills her to continue to carry the fetus?

      •  Well I guess he didn't mean that..... (3+ / 0-)
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        since the child was being born not aborted.  At 6 months a cold can live, but with trisomy 18 that is difficult at term because of deformations.

        Arkansas couple with 19 children recently miscarried and sent out picture of the mom holding 4 month fetus' tiny hand.  They are in Iowa with 12 of the kids to campaign for Santorum.  Remember, Santorum's religion is advocating for no birth control except abstinence.  So, truth is he is pretty consistent in his beliefs, which are not mine so I won't vote for him.

        You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

        by murrayewv on Tue Jan 03, 2012 at 05:16:54 AM PST

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      •  Yep, as a Catholic that is what you are taught to (2+ / 0-)
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        beleive. If you go to a Catholic hospital to have your children, they make you sign something that says, if they have to choose between the life of the Mother and the life of the baby, you agree they choose the life of the baby. It is beleived if you die in childbirth you go directly to heaven, if the baby dies, he/she dies with "original sin" because it is not baptized, and can never enter heaven. That is what I was taught growing up as a Catholic. I am sure Rick was taught the same.
        It doesn't matter if you have other children at home to care for, the baby lives and the Mother dies, no matter what.
        Perhaps that is the point Colmes should have pointed out rather than what they did with the dead fetus.
        The Santoriums chose the life of the Mother over the life of the child. Why was it right for them and wrong for so many others?
        I think it was wrong for Colmes to bring this up, it was personal, weird, but personal, he should have focused on how the procedure Santorium's wife had can be considered an abortion.

        •  The Santorums wrote a book (2+ / 0-)
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          about it so while personal, it sure isn't private.

          Twenty years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. Throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. --Mark Twain

          by Debby on Tue Jan 03, 2012 at 07:37:52 AM PST

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          •  I didn't mean to infer it was private, but I still (0+ / 0-)

            think Colmes was wrong, it really was none of his business what they did with their dead child, and it was not wise for him to bring this up. There is plenty of stuff to hit Santorum with, this one was out of bounds.

  •  Your crass title isn't supported by the diary... (0+ / 0-)

    ...or link so the HR.

    Also, IMHO, and not the reason for the HR, since Santorum's reply was a direct answer to the smear and not a wider political statement, this diary is beyond the bounds of the public political sphere.

    Eliminate the Bush tax cuts Eliminate Afghan and Iraq wars Do these things first before considering any cuts

    by kck on Tue Jan 03, 2012 at 06:01:23 AM PST

  •  Santorum is a baby killer! (2+ / 0-)
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    That is as resonable as some of the statements this pathological liar has made.  Fair is fair.  Santorum is also unpatriotic, anti-American and a traitor to hard working Americans everywhere.

    No war but class war !

    by Gareth G on Tue Jan 03, 2012 at 06:51:15 AM PST

  •  It may be personal but certainly not private (1+ / 0-)
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    for the Santorums. They wrote a book about it, didn't they?

    This is Santorums only attraction, really. He's not a great policy wonk from what I've read. He appeals to fundies because he is one. That is his one winning point. The rest of us are going to find him weird. Colmes is an idiot but Santorum doesn't benefit from the story when ultimately it's going to leave people saying, "Ewwww!"

    Twenty years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. Throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. --Mark Twain

    by Debby on Tue Jan 03, 2012 at 07:29:45 AM PST

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