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Lol.   Notice I said "minds".... Meaning the use of their rational part of their brains to sift through confusing data and glean in Sherlock Holmes fashion,  the difference between what is real, and what is perceived......

What is "perceived"  is that this is an attack on religion.  What is "perceived" is that this is making Catholics pay for contraception that their head hancho has decreed unholy, and therefore a sin.....  What is "perceived" is that the Federal Government is stepping on religion's toes, and that, is forbidden by our Constitution.....

If any of these were true, Catholic Bishops would be right to do so...

Some jaded members of the public may find it ironically amusing, that ........

,,,,,,,,the very same church which throughout the world, portrays in effigy another innocent man who was accused, misjudged and then expeditiously hung on a cross to die rather quickly, well before facts could be sifted and a second opinion emerge which might prove that judgment was indeed rushed...........

..... is now following the example of the Pharisee's and Sadducee's, rushing to judgment before even considering any of the facts, and whether or not, they actually impinge upon religion...... at all.... ?

Let us (considering the subject), use a parable to illustrate....

Once there was a Presbyterian.  This Presbyterian was by nature possessing a scientific and inquiring mind.   This Presbyterian, devoted considerable study of the Bible, correlating it's miracles to what we now know of historical facts and earthly cataclysms. This Presbyterian got a grant from other Presbyterians to engage in printing this Bible with notes he compiled. They recognized that this version of the Bible, addressed a lot of concerns Atheists kept bringing up over the old statements made by religious doctrine....  and this new Bible, made God more believable to a modern society.

One of the more odd occurrences out of this  endeavor was as more scientific  information turned up showing the nation's vaccine stock was poisoned by by-product chemicals, it became first a practice, then a philosophy, then dogma of this sect of Presbyterians, to boycott vaccines.   It became their religious belief .. to believe that getting vaccinated, was a sin....  God showed He was against vaccinations, in their view.... otherwise he never would have allowed pharmaceutical companies to taint vaccines with mercury.

Now, this bible operation, hired people off the street.  Very few of them were Presbyterians, many were Catholic, some were Protestant, and a large segment was Muslim.  In fact, only the top five of the organization, actually practiced  the no vaccination policy....

Guess what.  They had to buy insurance.  And guess what the insurance covered?  You are so smart... Vaccinations.....  They had to buy insurance that covered vaccinations when vaccinations were an act against God.....

The world came to an end.  (The Mayans were off by 10 months......)

"How dare you cover vaccinations", they clamored!  "You are violating our first amendment rights... to worship as we choose...."

How dare you NOT cover vaccinations their multi-religious workers clamored back... Just because you don't agree with vaccinations, does not mean we all agree with you... In fact we would rather have vaccinations because scientific proof shows that vaccinations prevent epidemics.  More people, including my child, will die from not covering vaccinations than will die from the vaccine itself.....
So... do you think each and every Republican presidential candidate jumped up in support of the "religious freedom" of the cult of Scientific Presbyterians?  Do you think the Speaker of the House swore that no such vaccination mandates would be coming forth in health care legislation?  Do you think Fox News and the Wall Street Journal, (both Rupert Murdoch entities) would be going non stop over President Obama stomping out all types of religious expression?

No...

They wouldn't.    They would look at the science, and say:  if you choose not to undergo vaccinations for religious reasons, that is your right.  But you have no right to prevent others the right to have themselves and their children vaccinated,  simply because they happen to get their income... by working for 'you'.... 

Sound like fiction?

This kind of tragedy occurred in the United States.  Between 1990 and 1991, there was a measles outbreak in Philadelphia. The outbreak was traced back to a church whose members refused immunization on religious grounds. In the outbreak, 1,600 children were infected.  Of those, nine died.  Of the nine innocent children who died, seven were from that church. The other two who died were babies who lived nearby and had not yet gotten their MMR vaccination.  Had the church not been anti-vaccination, these nine precious ones would still be alive today.  

Back to pregnancy....

Every minute, at least one woman dies from complications related to pregnancy or childbirth – that means 529 000 women a year. In addition, for every woman who dies in childbirth, around 20 more suffer injury, infection or disease – approximately 10 million women each year.

Five direct complications account for more than 70% of maternal deaths: haemorrhage (25%), infection (15%), unsafe abortion (13%), eclampsia (very high blood pressure leading to seizures – 12%), and obstructed labour (8%). While these are the main causes of maternal death, unavailable, inaccessible, unaffordable, or poor quality care is fundamentally responsible. They are detrimental to social development and wellbeing, as some one million children are left motherless each year. These children are 10 times more likely to die within two years of their mothers' death. 

Pregnancy may seem pretty tame to anyone who has NOT lived through it.. But there are, coupled in there with a marvelous finale that is both joyous and celebratory, some moments of sheer terror....   There IS a health risk to getting pregnant;  there IS a viable insurance cost factor behind mandating birth control.... since it cuts down the number of unwanted pregnancies, and possibly prolongs the health of that many more mothers..
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So, you see.... these two scenarios are perhaps quite similar... Vaccinations and birth control......

One, we'd laughingly dismiss as over stretching, and the other gets screeched at the top of the lungs by conservative pundits just as guilty as Caiaphas and Annus...

"Just the facts, ma'am....."

The facts are, if you do not want contraception, you do not buy it; and if you do not buy it, your insurance company does not have to reimburse you or pay for it; so NONE of your premium, goes toward that item, you are sin-free....  but if you DO employ people who may not share your views, then, they deserve to live under the law of the land as it stands....which is they have a right to a healthier life, and that includes insurance companies covering contraception.
That law which belongs to all mankind, follow for the benefit of all mankind. ;  that practice which pertains to the Lord, follow it personally, for Him......
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  •  Can we send this (2+ / 0-)
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    phonegery, Rustbelt Dem

    to Tweety and Shields and the other idiot believers of Papal Hogwash? That the issue is THEY want to violate the 1st Amendment rights and force their religious beliefs on their employees and students?

    •  Matthews (2+ / 0-)
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      NotGeorgeWill, filkertom

      is making himself look like a damn fool with this. He needs to have other Irish Catholics (because that seems to be the only people he'll listen to on this one) stage an intervention. Maybe starting with his wife.

      "People who defend the indefensible lose all credibility" (h/t Karl Rover). And racism, anytime, anywhere, and by anyone is indefensible.

      by Rustbelt Dem on Thu Feb 09, 2012 at 09:23:27 PM PST

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  •  If you were paying attention to the front page (4+ / 0-)
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    phonegery, NotGeorgeWill, TexMex, Ahianne

    you'd know that polling showed Catholics to be more supportive of the rule forcing coverage of contraceptives than the general population is.

    I changed by not changing at all, small town predicts my fate, perhaps that's what no one wants to see. -6.38, -4.15

    by James Allen on Thu Feb 09, 2012 at 09:10:44 PM PST

    •  The open question . . . (0+ / 0-)

      from a purely political stand point, is to what degree are the ones who do care actual swing voters.

      As a matter of anecdote, I know of at least one person who this decision might impact (e.g. a friend who is a GOP leaner, but who is so disillusioned at this point with the GOP field that not voting is probably the most likely outcome).

      I was raised as a Catholic, but to me, this is one of those issues where I definitely don't get the controversy.  I think part of this is probably manufactured by the Bishops who tend to be hostile to the Democratic party anyways these days.

  •  Just those (1+ / 0-)
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    NotGeorgeWill

    in the pre Vatican II mindset

    "People who defend the indefensible lose all credibility" (h/t Karl Rover). And racism, anytime, anywhere, and by anyone is indefensible.

    by Rustbelt Dem on Thu Feb 09, 2012 at 09:21:24 PM PST

  •  Yet another stupid, ignorant Catholic-bashing (1+ / 0-)
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    TexMex

    diary on DKos, where the only tolerated anti-religious bigotry is against Catholics and Christians generally.

    The diary is just plain too stupid to respond to beyond this.  What a bunch of bigoted crap.

    •  I agree (1+ / 0-)
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      kavips

      You can't paint all Catholics with the same brush.  
      Italy, where Vatican city sits, is probably the most Catholic of all countries and they legalized abortion in 1978.

      Yes...1978...

      Italian women are eligible to request an abortion for health, economic or social reasons, including the circumstances under which conception occurred. Abortions are performed free-of-charge in public hospitals or in private structures authorized by the regional health authorities.
      I'm pretty sure birth control is even more readily available.  They of course advocate for procreation, further the species, etc... But they aren't stupid.  The Catholic church is trying to get more people to come to church not push them away.  The Bishops are out of touch and being played like pawns.

      Oh and BTW, most regular folk catholics are not rabid like evangelicals.  But then again, evangelicals do not consider them to be Christian... go figure  

    •  Looks like someone didn't read the article.... (2+ / 0-)
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      IllanoyGal, NamelessGenXer

      Instead, ... just responded to the title....

      You are so busted.

    •   Looks like someone didn't read the article.... (0+ / 0-)

      Instead, ... just responded to the title....

      You are so busted.

    •  Catholics enable the bullshit even if they don't (3+ / 0-)
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      Pandoras Box, bluegrass50, dinazina

      believe it.

      Yeah, yeah, we know that 98% of Catholics call bullshit on the bishops telling them not to use birth control because it's oh so sinful. Yet, they still finance those morons, and show up to act like they believe in it, and it gives powerful cover to the ignorance.

      It's not enough to silently oppose stupidity anymore when you're enabling it.

    •  why should superstitions get special protection (0+ / 0-)

      from ridicule?

      I get so sick of religious people declaring that they get to have special privileges  just because they refuse to accept reality.

      To be a Republican, you have to believe that our economic problems are caused by the poor having too much money and the rich not having enough.

      by Tommy Jones the Band on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 06:05:05 AM PST

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  •  Good diary, but you might change the title. (1+ / 0-)
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    Ahianne

    Most Catholics have used birth control, and I suspect a great many are embarrassed by their Church's political position. I wouldn't equate being a Catholic with responsibility for every boneheaded notion their occasionally chaste leadership comes up with, any more than I'd accept responsibility for every boneheaded compromise my Democratic leadership falls into.
    Speaking for myself, anybody who opposes contraception as a universal principle with 7 billion people consuming the planet isn't worthy of political regard. They are my ideological enemy.

    "As long as people believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities." ~ Voltaire

    by Andhakari on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 03:41:58 AM PST

  •  Rubio was asked vaccination question. If religion (2+ / 0-)
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    against it do we honor that? He didn't give the leeway that you did. No way, that was a health issue and others could suffer.
    But oh so blithely... pregnancy is not contagious he said. It does not pose a threat.

    I thought of things as you wrote in diary. It poses threats of all sorts, physical, economic, social, psychological

    It might not be contagious but and if I recall right we sure catch it from somebody! Nobody staying in an isolation room alone will end up pregnant

    and that got me thinking about the man part of this. I realized the church and the complaining senate writing bills against this and so on have surely included this part but I just haven't heard it due to all the noise.

    Common sense says that church says no contraception because sex is for making babies...
    So they are battling for no viagra type drugs except for men married to fertile women. And then only a couple a month. We don't have that many  fertile days and there needs to be time in between tries to let sperm build up... because we don't want sex just for fun. That would not be holy.
    Viagra at all is a question though. God knows what he is doing and hating sex as he does maybe he doesn't want that person to do it any more or he would allow erections

    And... really if we are good enough god would cure us of everything. Who are we to decide what virus or bacteria or cancer cell should live or die?

    OK that goes further than church teaching... but allowing viagra only for men with fertile a wife fits exactly with their teaching

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