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John Boehner
I'm beginning to think this fellow
has no idea what he's doing.
 
The bishops may or may not be backing down (really, they don't have a leg to stand on here anymore, since the Obama compromise means they aren't going to be paying for birth control coverage, which is exactly what they said they were peeved by) but Speaker of the House John Boehner is doubling down. He's convinced that this is a winning issue—or at least, he's convinced the House would rather putter around with this than try to deal with that disastrous payroll tax cut again, or jobs, or any of the other things that the House has proven so incompetent at doing. Politico quotes Boehner spokesman Brendan Buck, phoning in from the 1950's:
"It’s clear that these [religious] organizations were not included in developing the so-called compromise offered today. The President should take up the Bishops’ offer to find a resolution that respects all Americans’ constitutional rights. In the meantime, the House of Representatives, led by the House Energy and Commerce Committee, will continue to work toward a legislative solution that achieves that same goal."
Again, the vast majority of the American population (including Catholics) doesn't have a problem with birth control. The notion that insurance should pay for it is not controversial. The small set of social conservatives that have a problem with it are heavily, heavily outnumbered—which isn't stopping Boehner from claiming he's doing it "on behalf of the American people." Sheesh.

If the Republicans in Congress want to go down this road, I think they're going to get plastered on it. I would therefore probably encourage it, except I keep thinking that maybe at some point Congress might want to actually, oh, solve some actual goddamn problems or something. They're not into that, though, so John Boehner is going instead to spend his government time trying to out-bishop the actual bishops. But only on the issue of birth control, mind you. On the issues of immigrant rights, and economic fairness, and unemployment, and war, and the rest of that stuff, forget about it. Can't you just feel the love?

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 04:45 PM PST.

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  •  If this is what the election comes down to... (31+ / 0-)

    voting for the person who wants health insurance to provide no co-pay contraception to those who wish it, vs. a person (Santorum) who thinks states should be allowed to outlaw contraception, well then I say "Bring it on wingnuts!"

    Santorum 2012: Your Womb Is Mine!

    by jazzmaniac on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 04:49:16 PM PST

    •  F the church (2+ / 0-)
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      All they want is to restrict all forms of birth control and abortion so more brainwashed little Catholic lemmings who bow to Emperor Palpatine at the Vatican.  The Vatican has already become a laughingstock over their covering up of the mass child rape committed by it's Priests.  What they're too stupid to realize is that American Catholics are slowly following the lead of European Catholics.  Pretty soon American Catholics will look at their church as more or less an out of touch joke.  Most Catholics I know are already in that category.  They claim Catholicism due to family history but rarely if ever go to church or take Dark Lord Benedict seriously.

      •  How about fuck organized religion and the (1+ / 0-)
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        idea that there is an invisible sky wizard at all?
        Oooops...too much logic and common sense there. I guess I better walk that back.
        Not.

        "We're right in the middle of a fucking reptile zoo! And somebody's giving booze to these goddamn things!"-Hunter S. Thompson ;-)>

        by rogerdaddy on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 05:40:58 PM PST

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    •  HA HA HA Not even several Popes have been able (0+ / 0-)

      to sell Boner's line of shit to a captive audience.

      Why do Democrats still persecute gays? Is a vote for Democrats a wasted vote? I voted for change. Where is my vote?

      by SGWM on Sat Feb 11, 2012 at 12:45:09 AM PST

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  •  Let them commit political suicide (22+ / 0-)

    as Greg Sargent noted today:

    a new poll came out just today illustrating how perilous this position may be among Americans overall. It found that a big majority, 61 percent, approve of “requiring employer health plans to cover birth control for women.” Only 34 percent disapproved. Independents approve 58-34; women, 67-29. Republicans, conservatives, and Tea Partyers all oppose it.

    The polling organization that published these findings? Fox News.

    "In the long run, Americans will always do the right thing — after exploring all other alternatives." - Winston Churchill

    by puakev on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 04:50:12 PM PST

    •  The Bishops will probably double down too (9+ / 0-)

      further destroying any legitimacy they might have had.   They can give in, or they can make it clear that their whole agenda is anti woman.  I'm guessing they choose the latter.

      “Never argue with an idiot. He’ll bring you down to his level and then beat you with experience.”

      by MadRuth on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 04:59:16 PM PST

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    •  So then why (0+ / 0-)

      does the Obama admin propose a compromise to the bishops? It's just plain wrong for religious authorities to expect special dispensation and step on the path to ever greater roles for religious leaders in shaping social policy. I'm quite skeptical about Obama's openness to compromise on this.

      Don't ask me nothin' about nothin'. I just might tell ya the truth -- B. Dylan

      by ponderer on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 05:13:13 PM PST

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      •  I'm not. (7+ / 0-)

        Obama provided a very doable compromise, with the result being that all women are still covered for contraception. That's the most important thing.  AND, reasonable Americans, which is still the majority, if not by as much as we wish, understand that he tipped his hat to Catholics and their beliefs, without giving up the bottom line.

        The thing is, you can't have a reasonable discussion or debate with these people.  They will not give up.  The more you argue with them, the more they puff up, it's like feeding the fire when you try.  That's what they want.  Hell, the GOP would like this discussion to go on till November.

        Obama showed an intent to be fair.  That's what he always talks about.  Fairness.  He didn't take the hell or high water stance that many progressives here think is gold.  He followed through with his election night promise to be the president of those agree with him, and those who don't.

      •  It's not a compromise: is it actually even better? (2+ / 0-)
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        It's 100% win for our side.  Contraception will be just as available, just as conveniently, for exactly the same price as it would be under the proposed regulation, with the bonus that Catholic groups that obviously didn't want to get in the middle of it have a way to get out of the argument.

        I'm wondering if this will be more than 100% for us.  Under the previous proposal, religious institutions that didn't want to provide birth control didn't have to.  Under this proposal, since it's the insurance companies that will be doing it, maybe more people (such as direct employees of churches that are opposed to contraception) will actually get contraception covered?

  •  Takings Clause (3+ / 0-)
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    The proposal that insurance companies should be required to provide birth control funding, for free, may run into issues from another group of conservatives, for the entirely unrelated reason that it collides potentially with the takings clause.

    We can have change for the better.

    by phillies on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 04:50:40 PM PST

    •  What is the takings clause? (0+ / 0-)
    •  Except not really (0+ / 0-)

      The upshot is that all ACA compliant insurance policies will cover birth control at no copay. So every available policy will be priced accordingly, from the outset.

      The RCC will have to pick one of those policies, and possibly pay a bit extra so the insurer will handle communications required under ACA (unless the insurers are benevolent enough to perform that service for free).

      This is my life. All the pain, all the joy it brings. All through the years, the blood, sweat, and tears, my hopes and my fears -- all that has led me to now. This is my life, and I wouldn't change a thing.

      by harrije on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 06:56:34 PM PST

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  •  The thing about contraception is that providing (12+ / 0-)

    it must be profitable to the insurance company, right?  All the bc in the world has to be cheaper than all the unwanted pregnancies, including prenatal care and delivery.
    So Republicans want insurance rates to rise.

    These capitalists generally act harmoniously and in concert to fleece the people, and now that they have got into a quarrel with themselves, we are called upon to appropriate the people's money to settle the quarrel. Abraham Lincoln

    by Nailbanger on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 04:52:01 PM PST

    •  This is why insurance companies (6+ / 0-)

      will buy off on this.  They can buy a month's worth of birth control pills for a dime.  Compare and contrast, as you say, with the cost of prenatal care and delivery, not to mention any pregnancy complications, not to mention that people who can't afford babies will not be able to afford medical care for them either.  

      If you've had kids, you know that the medical costs don't stop with delivery.  They are never ending.

      •  Self-insured employers won't flinch, either (4+ / 0-)

        Because in addition to the costs listed above, they are also paying short-term disability pay and 6-12 weeks of contractor pay to cover an employee on medical leave (or, conversely, lost productivity as other employees in the department pick up the slack).

        This is my life. All the pain, all the joy it brings. All through the years, the blood, sweat, and tears, my hopes and my fears -- all that has led me to now. This is my life, and I wouldn't change a thing.

        by harrije on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 06:59:43 PM PST

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  •  Look, is this Repub strategy going to hand the (14+ / 0-)

    election right to Obama?  Abortion rights are one thing:  yeah, yeah, people argue for and against.  But contraception?  Which we've had for a hundred years?  For which Margaret Sanger agitated and worked so tirelessly in the early 20th century?

    Even people who pay lip service to forced-birthers want their contraceptives.  And 50 percent of the voting public consists of women.  Including Republican women.

    I'd say the "Republic party" is going down the wrong road if they want to win this election.

    "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

    by Diana in NoVa on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 04:52:39 PM PST

    •  We've Had For About 60 Yrs Since Griswold (6+ / 0-)
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      The mechanicals have existed but not the right.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 04:55:27 PM PST

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      •  Yes, I just went to Wiki to get (4+ / 0-)

        the info.  This entry is worth reading.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/...

        excerpt: Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479 (1965), was a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that the Constitution protected a right to privacy. The case involved a Connecticut law that prohibited the use of contraceptives. By a vote of 7–2, the Supreme Court invalidated the law on the grounds that it violated the "right to marital privacy".

        Although the Bill of Rights does not explicitly mention "privacy", Justice William O. Douglas wrote for the majority that the right was to be found in the "penumbras" and "emanations" of other constitutional protections. Justice Arthur Goldberg wrote a concurring opinion in which he used the Ninth Amendment to defend the Supreme Court's ruling. Justice John Marshall Harlan II wrote a concurring opinion in which he argued that privacy is protected by the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Justice Byron White also wrote a concurrence based on the due process clause.

        When someone is impatient and says, "I haven't got all day," I always wonder, How can that be? How can you not have all day? George Carlin

        by msmacgyver on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 05:09:05 PM PST

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  •  Worst speaker ever (12+ / 0-)

    Ray Lahood said Boehner's transportation bill is the worst he's seen in 35 years in gov't. Boehner is NOT bright. He's not even cunning. I'll be real surprised if he's still the speaker in 2013.

  •  Birth control (14+ / 0-)

    50 years later and we're still talking about the right of women to access birth control.

    GOP, fuck you.

    "There once was a union maid..." Political compass: -9.75 / -8.72

    by mijita on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 04:53:16 PM PST

  •  John Boehner has a girlfriend, doesn't he? (9+ / 0-)

    Somebody younger? You'd think they'd want to be on sure-fire birth control. Anyway, back when John Boehner's wife was young enough to bear children, and they were doing it, did they have an endless number of babies? I don't think so.

    I don't know why John Boehner would want to get started on this road, I really don't. I believe your assessment is correct: he'll get his ass handed to him on a platter.

    It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

    by karmsy on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 04:53:47 PM PST

  •  Weepy: the bishops got rooked by the black knight? (1+ / 0-)
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    I don't think so.

  •  What am I missing? (8+ / 0-)

    The public is pissed at Congress because they never get anything done.  The don't want to do anything because it might benefit the President.  We had a problem.  The problem was resolved.  But Congress wants to spend time solving the problem that no longer exists.  Don't they see that if they actually got something done they might look better to the public?  It won't just help Obama, it'll help them also. Again, what am I missing?  I must be a very deep thinker.

    Corporations aren't people; they're Republicans. Rev. Al Sharpton

    by HappyinNM on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 04:54:03 PM PST

    •  Deep thinking (3+ / 0-)
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      is actively discouraged in the Republic Party.

      “Never argue with an idiot. He’ll bring you down to his level and then beat you with experience.”

      by MadRuth on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 05:04:17 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  I know, right? (4+ / 0-)
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      How long can this go on?  The same GOP that ran on jobs, jobs, jobs in the mid term, has ever since busied themselves with everything but.  Every silly thing they can get their hands on---my personal fave being when they voted to make sure that "In God We Trust" stayed on our currency.  Because as you all know, it was the democratic position that we should replace that with "Make Love not War."  LOL.

      I know it seems like it's taking forever for America to catch on, but I think it's happening.  I really do.

  •  Two simple questions. (9+ / 0-)

    !. What is wrong with these people?
    2. Why in the world does anyone vote fro them?

  •  it's all craaazy, allll the time with those guys. (5+ / 0-)
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    _ I've spoken my piece and counted to three._

    by althea in il on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 04:54:23 PM PST

  •  LOL, President Obama outmaneuvered... (11+ / 0-)

    The Tan Man, but he'll keep trying dammit. LOL

    “For the first time in two decades, Osama bin Laden is not a threat to this country.” President Obama 1/24/12

    by BarackStarObama on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 04:54:35 PM PST

  •  Has anyone else noticed that.... (9+ / 0-)

    President Obama's "accommodation" to Catholics today has totally blown out the CPAC coverage from the headlines?  

    Makes you want to think (hope) it was a planned move for this morning.

    I Personally think that he hooked the Republicans again.   Fishing.  Good Fishing technique.

    ... the watchword of true patriotism: "Our country - when right to be kept right; when wrong to be put right." - Carl Schurz; Oct. 17, 1899

    by NevDem on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 04:55:36 PM PST

    •  I really think there is a pattern here. (3+ / 0-)
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      • The original announcement totally satisfied the left.  
      • Cue the Republican outrage noise machine.
      • when the noise gets loud enough and/or there is an Republican (opposition) event the campaign wants to distract from....
      • Announce a 'accommodation', 'clarification', or 'adjustment' that makes Obama seem reasonable, Republicans Crazy and unhinged,  and devours the available air time for the news cycle.  

      Not Bad.

      ... the watchword of true patriotism: "Our country - when right to be kept right; when wrong to be put right." - Carl Schurz; Oct. 17, 1899

      by NevDem on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 05:20:15 PM PST

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    •  Actually, Some of us knew about this 2 days ago. (0+ / 0-)

      I think this is the actual path and the other was a diversionary tactic.

      Newt 2012. Sociopath, adulterer, hypocrite, Republican.

      by tikkun on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 05:20:15 PM PST

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  •  Where's the 'Returns' Department?.....This Speaker (5+ / 0-)
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    is obviously defective.

  •  wow (6+ / 0-)
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    my god these people are really dumb.

  •  Quadrupple down if they deny any medical service (5+ / 0-)

    http://thinkprogress.org/...

    GOP Ups The Ante, Introduces Legislation To Allow Any Employer To Deny Any Preventive Health Service

    Earlier today, in response to criticism from Catholic groups, the White House altered its regulation requiring employers and insurers to provide no-cost contraception coverage as part of their health care plans. Churches and religious nonprofits that primarily employ people of the same faith are still exempt from the requirement, but now religiously affiliated colleges, universities, and hospitals that wish to avoid providing birth control can do so. Their employees will still receive contraception coverage at no additional cost sharing directly from the insurer.

    But Republicans and some conservative Catholic groups are not satisfied with the accommodation and hope to use their false claim of “religious persecution” to deny women access to preventive health services. Despite Obama’s decision to shield nonprofit religious institutions from offering birth control benefits, next week Sen. Roy Blunt (R-MO) is expected to offer an amendment that would permit any employer or insurance plan to exclude any health service, no matter how essential, from coverage if they morally object to it:

       (6) RESPECTING RIGHTS OF CONSCIENCE WITH REGARD TO SPECIFIC ITEMS OR SERVICES —

           

    “(A) FOR HEALTH PLANS. — A health plan shall not be considered to have failed to provide the essential health benefits package described in subsection (a) (or preventive health services described in section 2713 of the Public Health Services Act), to fail to be a qualified health plan, or to fail to fulfill any other requirement under this title on the basis that it declines to provide coverage of specific items or services because —
               “(i) providing coverage (or, in the case of a sponsor of a group health plan, paying for coverage) of such specific items or services is contrary to the religious beliefs or moral convictions of the sponsor, issuer, or other entity offering the plan; or

                “(ii) such coverage (in the case of individual coverage) is contrary to the religious beliefs or moral convictions of the purchaser or beneficiary of the coverage.

    Response: If you "got it" you wouldn't be a republican

    by JML9999 on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 05:01:04 PM PST

  •  Is it "Lysistrata" time yet? (8+ / 0-)

    Republican women all across America should "just say no" until their menfolk start to get a clue.  

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 05:01:07 PM PST

    •  They should just become Democratic women. (2+ / 0-)
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    •  Can't work here. Too many mistresses and (4+ / 0-)
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      professionals.

      Yes, there is a correlation between President Barack Obama and Neville Chamberlain. (-9.00,-8.86)

      by Jonathan Hoag on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 05:07:48 PM PST

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      •  Them too, of course! (0+ / 0-)

        "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

        by lgmcp on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 05:08:22 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  ??? Them too, what? (0+ / 0-)

          Yes, there is a correlation between President Barack Obama and Neville Chamberlain. (-9.00,-8.86)

          by Jonathan Hoag on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 05:40:24 PM PST

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          •  Them too = mistresses and working girls (0+ / 0-)

            would necessarily have to join in a boycott for it to have effectiveness.

            In the 80s a few activists in the sex industry promised to kissntell on legislators active against the ERA, especially those with unusual proclivities.  I don't think they got too far but it made some good headlines and a few excellent political cartoons which I still recall.

            "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

            by lgmcp on Sat Feb 11, 2012 at 09:39:51 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  IMHO and no one can speak for all or even most (0+ / 0-)

              sex workers.  However, firstly, as they say, "It's a living."

              Secondly, a goodly portion of sex workers understand that those who are not conventionally attractive shouldn't be forced into celibacy. This includes political non-attractiveness. Should your dentist stop treating you because of how you vote? And no, the converse is a logical fallacy. I can stop patronizing a dentist for their political opinion, but I do so only because FSM knows where his campaign contributions may go.

              Lastly, sex workers are pretty good at boundaries. The woman I was dating who got me my first porn shoot ran for a county office in LA as a true-blue Ayn Rand Libertarian. She, I and her boyfriend wound up living together in a house in the 'burbs. Boundaries. (I've forgotten in my dotage how to do that, so I've been mourning a loss lately...)

              As far as mistresses, they probably know the political views of their lovers already, why would they want to rock the boat?

              Yes, there is a correlation between President Barack Obama and Neville Chamberlain. (-9.00,-8.86)

              by Jonathan Hoag on Sat Feb 11, 2012 at 10:33:46 AM PST

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          •  Them too go on strike (0+ / 0-)

            as was done on Lysistrata.

  •  My son and I saw Al Gore speak (10+ / 0-)

    a couple of months ago, and what struck me was his level of frustration about still trying to convince people that global warming is real.  I had the real sense that when he started down that path 20+ years ago, it never occurred to him he would still be in the 'convincing stage' at this late date.

    This issue feels the same.  Really, we are STILL arguing about contraception?  It's insane enough that we are still arguing about abortion, but contraception, really?  At what point can we just accept that 99% of women have used it or will use it and it's just a fact of life?

    There are so many other issues, so many people in need, that it just feels artificial to spend our time on this.  It's just another manufactured crisis of the day, by the pols, by the media to grab our attention.

    I'm weary of this election cycle already...

    I refuse to believe corporations are people until Texas executes one

    by k8dd8d on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 05:01:42 PM PST

  •  What this does is gives the gop House something to (7+ / 0-)

    do while they're not busy stimulating job growth.
    They can throw out a little red meat, and try to pinch off a piece of the news cycle with this.
    However, they've already lost big time on this issue. They're on a roll.

  •  Boehner found a way (7+ / 0-)

    to decrease his popularity!  I did not think it was possible

    www.tapestryofbronze.com

    by chloris creator on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 05:03:53 PM PST

  •  Okay, John. First of all, you don't develop (5+ / 0-)
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    compromises. You offer them. Secondly, maybe the fact that we're not a theocracy and this is not a religious issue but rather a health care one, has something to do with this.

    "It’s clear that these [religious] organizations were not included in developing the so-called compromise offered today.

    "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

    by eXtina on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 05:05:20 PM PST

  •  Republicans just aren't very good at wedge issues (4+ / 0-)
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    anymore. Add it to a growing list of things they aren't good at.

    "I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your fuckin' mouth." --- Bill Hicks

    by voroki on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 05:08:31 PM PST

  •  I'm posting this Creamsicle Boy (1+ / 0-)
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    because very soon it's all you'll have left. http://www.youtube.com/...

    God be with you, Occupiers. God IS with you.

    by Hohenzollern on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 05:11:27 PM PST

  •  This is very comfortable for them (1+ / 0-)
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    because it feels to them like they are standing on a very important principle - while 90 percent of the country is just moving on.

    Still enjoying my stimulus package.

    by Kevvboy on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 05:12:02 PM PST

  •  I've noticed a pattern (1+ / 0-)
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    "It’s clear that these [religious] organizations were not included in developing the so-called compromise offered today. The President should take up the Bishops’ offer to find a resolution that respects all Americans’ constitutional rights. In the meantime, the House of Representatives, led by the House Energy and Commerce Committee, will continue to work toward a legislative solution that achieves that same goal."
    The Administration always compromises. The Administration never sees any benefit for these compromises. No matter how much ground they give, the people to whom they give the ground never say "Hey, thanks for meeting us halfway!"

    It was an endearing sign of hopeful optimism the first few dozen times. It has since gotten old watching Lucy yank the football away from Charlie Brown every single time.

    •  This wasn't a compromise (1+ / 0-)
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      This was giving them what they SAID they wanted while actually continuing to do the thing that they ACTUALLY disliked.

      so....

      You get to keep universal free coverage of contraception for women, like you want all along

      You provide political cover to all the reasonable Catholics, because you addressed the "church vs state" argument.  Sure enough, every wavering Catholic organization except the Bishops and every wavering Dem is back in line

      You get to demonstrate that you are being all bipartisan and respectful.  (some voters still care about that - the target audience for calling it a compromise isn't the Bishops or House Republicans, it is swing-voters)

      You get to eat popcorn while your political opponents, who took the bait, double down on a deeply unpopular policy, nakedly exposed for what it is (control over women) rather than the dressing up it had at the start of the controversy (infringement on 1st amendment rights)

      Just because it is called a compromise, doesn't mean it isn't entirely one-sided.   There wasn't any halfway to this at all.   This is probably the most unambiguous pure win for an Obama "negotiation" I've seen since he has been elected.

    •  You are absolutely.... (1+ / 0-)
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      correct (I did not say right).  There seems to be this strange tendency on the part of Obama to make an absolutist assertion (FISA, Guantanomo, etc...) so he can then give in.  Something wierd is going on here.  I no longer believe that Obama will stand firm on any policy assertion, I beleve (based on experience) that he makes progressive assertions for the purpose of backing down to some (bogus) public pressure.  

  •  Things I would like to ask Republicans running for (0+ / 0-)

    President...Democrats too, anyone running for any public office.

    Have you ever paid for birth control or an abortion either directly or indirectly?

    Have you or your spouse, girlfriend or boyfriend ever used birth control of any type? Did taxpayer funded health insurance pay for it? Have you ever used a comdom? If not, why not?

    So Newt, did you just play roulette with your health and the health of your partners?

    These conservative, self-proclaimed religious men can try to control my most private body, then I have a right to know what they are doing with theirs.

  •  Please, give him a pill, anything... (0+ / 0-)
  •  I cant believe they (1+ / 0-)
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    would widen their gender gap this way.  Let 'em do it!

    Still enjoying my stimulus package.

    by Kevvboy on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 05:21:46 PM PST

  •  Republicans NEED Religious "Freedom" (0+ / 0-)

    And that, as you may well ask, is for a simple reason:they have become a cult, as rooted in rationality as Jim Jones.

    Heck - there's so many ways they're wrong on this, I'm putting the rest of this comment in a diary of its own.

    "No special skill, no standard attitude, no technology, and no organization - no matter how valuable - can safely replace thought itself."

    by xaxnar on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 05:23:03 PM PST

  •  If Boehner could speak all day, everyday... (1+ / 0-)
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    it would be a Progressive's dream come true.

    "Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." -Benjamin Franklin

    by hotdamn on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 05:26:40 PM PST

  •  If you had entitled your diary.... (3+ / 0-)

    John Bohenor doubling down on Corporate Control fight, then it would have relevance.  this is not about birth control, it is about corporate control of the money that EMPLOYEES pay for the benefits they receive through deferred salaries and wages, it is a privately funded collective benefit.  Boehnor supports the corporate will to take control of the money EMPLOYEES pay for health care insurance to undermine the Affordable Care Act which seeks to establish a baseline to health care insurance.  this is an assault on ACA and Boehnor knows it and is doing it for the corporations that support him and his shillls.  It is not right wing or left wing it is EMPLOYEE versus EMPLOYER and more importantly CORPORATE EMPLOYER.  I really wish that people would resist the bogus culture war thing, and concentrate on what this really means for you as an EMPLOYEE versus your EMPOWERED EMPLOYER for what you can receive in paid for benefits.

  •  Wasn't it Napoleon Bonaparte... (0+ / 0-)

    ...who advised his generals not to interrupt the enemy while he was making a mistake?

    Shhhhh...

    The only thing we have to offer is fear itself. Republican Party, 2012.

    by KTinOhio on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 05:36:49 PM PST

  •  At this rate, the House will be Democratic by... (0+ / 0-)

    ...next January.

    "What Elephant?" - Jimmy Durante, "Jumbo"

    by FresnoBill314 on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 05:46:51 PM PST

  •  Are they really trying to lose elections? (0+ / 0-)

    Or are they just trying to cram as much in before they know they'll get voted out?

  •  My favorite BS non-issue (0+ / 0-)

    When Obama gets re-elected, I'm seriously worried about some of these people.  They're getting good at the fake outrage or my irony meter's busted.  

    Buy more guns and canned food or invest in mental health clinics for big profits?  I'm confused.

  •  Doubling down (0+ / 0-)

    means when our dog poo's more than once on a walk.  I think that's about what Boehner is standing in right now.

  •  As bad for the GOP as Terry Schiavo was (0+ / 0-)

    They are talking THEMSELVES into a frenzy over this, the way the Bill Frist led House talked themselves into trying to intervene in the Terry Schiavo case and got the whole country's back up at them.

    A real loser for them. They must be the lowest IQ people in this country.

  •  I love your analysis (1+ / 0-)
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    Hunter is the best.

    I now look for your commentary.

    the future begins

    by zozie on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 06:30:53 PM PST

  •  I don't disagree with any of the clueless (0+ / 0-)

    Republican comments here.  But NBC is reporting the firestorm that the White House is under for their handling of the situation and how they caved today.

    People here are smart.  What about the masses that are not paying attention to the truth?  Maybe I am worried about nothing.  And often, I find people to be smarter than I assume about large groups.  But still, I don't know how to read the public response.

    "Since when did obeying corporate power become patriotic." Going the Distance

    by Going the Distance on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 06:43:39 PM PST

  •  Obama's head fake sucks in the rightwing (2+ / 0-)
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    The Old Redneck  was a starter on my high school basketball and a second-stringer for four years at
    a small Alabama college.

    The head fake is an old basketball move, it's one of the first moves you learn, and when done right, it leaves your opponent standing there flat-footed with his jock strap around his ankles.

    As everyone knows, when you move in one direction, your head is the first part of the body to move and the head goes in the direction you're moving.  A head-fake consists of rapidly moving your head and shoulders in one direction while keeping your feet on the ground and
    your knees flexed.  Your opponent sees your head and shoulders moving in one direction, figures that the way you're going, and he slides that way to guard you.  The instant he commits, you whip around in the
    other direction -- you leave him gasping and the crowd cheering. When executed properly, it's a beautiful thing.

    President Obama just head-faked the shit out of the rightwing with his health-insurance-contraceptives move.

    After about two week's of manufactured controversy on the question of religious institutions that are not churches providing contraceptives with no copayment, the Obama administration changed the final rule. Here they are, in a nutshell:

    --  Institutions that are affiliated with a church such as Catholic hospitals, universities, and the like will not have to include birth control in the health insurance they provide to employees.

    -- Employees of those institutions will have access to contraceptives without a copayment because the insurer will cover it with no copayments separately. This means the insurer will reach out to women to offer free contraceptives outside of any relationship with their
    employer.

    -- For religious employers who use insurance companies, this will be the final rule and women will have access to contraceptives without copayments beginning August 1, 2012.

    The goal was to make contraceptives available to women without a copayment. This satisfies that goal, because insurers will simply take care of the cost without including contraception coverage in the plan these institutions adopt. It is far less expensive for them to provide
    full coverage for birth control than it is for them to provide maternity coverage and well baby care for all of those babies that would come into the world as a result of not having any contraceptives available. The decision was a complete end-run around the bishops' plan to erode support for the ACA by making a big deal out of
    this rule.

    Meanwhile, the rightwing, especially Congressional Republicans and GOTP presidential candidates have exposed themselves as being the enemies of women everywhere, thereby driving more female voters to
    President Obama.  You can be assured this will become part of his campaign ads -- women should vote for Obama because Republicans will shut you out of birth control pills.

    What a head fake!!!!!!!

  •  One hopes the Right's focus on this (0+ / 0-)

    issue will parallel the huge push back we saw when they focused on creating Medicare vouchers...  

    In an effort to distract the mainstream from recognizing America is in deep shit and imploring Congress to pass Obama's jobs act and other responsible acts, they keep digging themselves ever deeper into their hole of insanity and ignorance of what Americans want.  I have no idea of who's driving their bus (I know the usual names -- Koch, Rush, et al., but it's someone above that), but I hope he stays in power.

    Kick apart the structures - Seth

    by ceebee7 on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 07:45:29 PM PST

  •  Someone call Auntie Em... (0+ / 0-)

    It seems that they're trying to build the perfect politcial sh_storm (in their exclusive favor, of course) around "the birth control thing."

    Is this, then, the last plank they'll try to stump on, in the upcoming election?

    Someone  call Auntie Em. I don't think the Rightwingoverse is in Kansas, any more. I don't even know if they're in the real world, any more.

  •  I Can't Even Communicate How Awesome This Is (0+ / 0-)

    I mean really, think about how insanely deluded the GOP leadership is.  The GOP is truly on the brink of complete self destruction here. It's amazing and fascinating on so many levels to see the fruits of their hate based agenda. Make no mistake about it, there was no avoiding this crack up.  When your whole governing philosophy is completely based on nothing but hate and fear, the outcome is inevitable because that approach is unsustainable in the long run.

    This post is dedicated to myself, without whom, I'd be somebody else. Though I'd still be an asshole. My Music: [http://www.myspace.com/beetwasher]

    by Beetwasher on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 08:07:28 PM PST

  •  Boner has a taser up his ass. (0+ / 0-)

    That is why he cries so much. Yes, men do cry, but most men cry over something important like a loved one dies or you cut your hand off, you know, something important. He cries because his little pet project to fuck with the people doesn't work, but he should be used to that by now.
    It is a bad sign when the easiest place to get rich quick is the government.
    Hold on to your hat because in the spring, the Occupy people will be back. YOU AIN'T SEEN NOTHING YET!

    Just as prostitution is the world's oldest profession, religion is the world's oldest scam.

    by Agent420 on Sat Feb 11, 2012 at 09:24:36 AM PST

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