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NV-St. Sen: This is an absolutely amazing story, and I'll tell you right now that Nevada state Sen. Sheila Leslie is my new hero. Democrats hold an incredibly slim 11-10 edge in the Senate, and they face a number of very competitive races this year which could hand control to the Republicans. Leslie wasn't among that number; her district is the safest in Northern Nevada. But in a move of stunning selflessness, she chose to resign her seat and run against Republican state Sen. Greg Brower in a much tougher district, where she bought a house more than a year ago.

The new seat, now numbered SD-15, is evenly split by voter registration, though Barack Obama won 57% here and Harry Reid took 54%, plus Leslie represented part of it when she served in the Assembly. It's also worth pointing out that Brower was appointed to his current post, and while he, too, once was an Assemblyman, he was defeated by none other than Sharron Angle a decade ago after the last round of redistricting drew their seats together. So I'd say Leslie definitely has a shot, and if nothing else, she's already won the "Team Player of the Year" award.


FL-Sen: I only mention this because I myself was unaware until recently that GOP Rep. Connie Mack's main business experience before entering politics was working as a special events coordinator for none other than Hooters. It's the kind of thing that will always be good for a laugh, so maybe Mack should have thought twice before accepting $2,000 last quarter from Ed Droste, the founder of Hooters.

MI-Sen: The eleventy-seventh poll of the Michigan Republican Senate primary (by the Glengariff Group) once again shows Pete Hoekstra with a commanding 50-5 lead over Clark Durant. Given how badly he damaged himself last week with his racist "Debbie Spend-it-now" ad, Democrats ought to be happy to see Hoekstra get the nomination.

MO-Sen: I'm pretty skeptical about whether this will work: Crossroads GPS is spending some $65K on radio ads attacking Dem Sen. Claire McCaskill for her support for President Obama's contraception insurance coverage compromise, but the fact is that everyone except for Republican extremists in Congress and the Conference of Bishops is on board with this plan. Republican Senate hopeful Sarah Steelman is also out with a TV ad (with really weaksauce production values) trying to make hay of the same issue. I suspect she'll have better luck with it in the GOP primary, though.


NC-Gov: Dem Rep. Brad Miller, who had been considering a run for the gubernatorial seat that unexpectedly became open the same day he announced his retirement from Congress, will not join the race. Says Miller: “Although my determination to hold elective office appears now to be in remission, I may seek elective office again."

WA-Gov: Republican AG and gubernatorial candidate Rob McKenna is taking the business of not-dancing-with-them-that-brung-you to a whole new level. In response to questions about which of the top-of-the-ticket lead weights he'd caucus for on March 3, McKenna isn't just punting on the question by protesting that "it's personal" or something along those lines. Instead, he's now simply saying that he isn't even going to bother with voting in the GOP presidential caucus at all. So much for that whole "participating in democracy" thing.

Also, that same PubliCola link has the latest developments in Snohomish County Exec—and one-time Democratic rising star—Aaron Reardon's having-an-affair-on-the-county's-dime troubles, making him look much less likely to appear as the Dems' gubernatorial nominee in 2016 or 2020. (David Jarman)

WI-Gov: Is this a sign that Democrat Tom Barrett may run in the gubernatorial recall election? Next month, Chicago mayor Rahm Emanuel is keynoting a fundraiser for Barrett, who is running for re-election as mayor of Milwaukee but is virtually unopposed for the job. So why go to the trouble of raising all this dough unless it's going to be put to good use in a competitive race? Meanwhile, EMILY's List endorsed former Dane County executive Kathleen Falk, one of two announced Democrats so far, in the recall.


AZ-05: Ex-Rep. Matt Salmon, who is attempting a comeback bid after being out of Congress for a decade, is touting a new internal poll from GOP pollster Arizona Opinions showing him with a big 43-14 lead over former state House Speaker Kirk Adams, his chief primary opponent. Salmon didn't exactly raise a ton of money last quarter—$152K—but it was triple what Adams took in (just $51K).

CA-03: Dem Rep. John Garamendi is out with a positive introductory-type spot, a move that makes sense since almost 80% of the constituents of the redrawn 3rd District are new to him. Interestingly, as The Hotline's Shane Goldmacher points out, Garamendi is re-using footage from an ad he aired when he ran for Lt. Gov. in 2006, featuring him on horseback, among other things. No word on the size of the buy, though you can view both ads, old and new, at the link.

CA-09: The NRCC is out with another one of its micro ad buys, this time a whopping $6K on a spot trying to blame Jerry McNerney for Solyndra. Is that really the best they've got?

CO-06: Well, this is certainly unexpected. Wealthy physician Perry Haney, who had already plowed a bunch of his own money into the race, is dropping out of the Democratic primary for the right to take on GOP Rep. Mike Coffman. Haney cited concerns about managing his medical practice as his reason for leaving the case but said that an FEC complaint that Republicans recently filed against him had nothing to do with his departure. Who knows if the business excuse is true, but I actually believe him on the FEC front—has anyone every bailed on a race just because someone filed a complaint?

Anyhow, rather remarkably, this leaves state Rep. Joe Miklosi all alone on the Democratic side. Miklosi is well-liked by progressives but hasn't raised a ton of money and doesn't seem like much of an establishment insider; despite this, he's now warded off three other big players (Haney, state Senate President Brandon Shaffer, and state Senate Majority Leader John Morse) from seeking the Democratic nomination here. Well, now it's time to just win, baby.

FL-22: Senate race drop-out Adam Hasner just picked up the backing of ex-Gov. Jeb Bush, and ordinarily, that's just a dog-bites-man story—I mean, you expect one Republican to endorse another. But the important detail here is that Hasner may face a primary from Broward County Commissioner Chip LaMarca, so this is clearly a warning shot fired in LaMarca's direction. Given how unappealing the redrawn 22nd is for a Republican, I suspect that Hasner was promised all kinds of establishment support (and a clear primary) as part of a deal to quit the Senate contest to make way for Rep. Connie Mack. I just hope LaMarca (who says he'll decide by next Friday) isn't frightened off!

IL-10: Businessman Brad Schneider has released a poll of the Democratic primary from Normington Petts, showing him in the lead at 29, with activist Ilya Sheyman back at 14, businessman John Tree at 4 and attorney Vivek Bavda at 2. The only other poll of the contest was a PPP survey conducted for the PCCC in early January which had Sheyman at 23 and Schneider at 21. But with the primary now little over a month away, the race has changed since then. Schneider's memo makes several references to "direct communication" with voters (i.e., mail), which is probably a better use of resources than the money Sheyman recently put toward a TV ad. A response from Sheyman (at the bottom of the link) says they're stepping up their own mail program but doesn't mention any contradictory poll numbers.

MA-04: No surprise at all, but now it's official: Prosecutor Joseph P. Kennedy III, son of ex-Rep. Joseph P. Kennedy II and grandson of Bobby Kennedy, will indeed run for Rep. Barney Frank's open House seat. Kennedy had created an exploratory committee last month, but since that time a number of developments made it quite clear that he intended to follow through on a bid. (For instance, the Massachusetts AFL-CIO endorsed him just the other day.) A recent UMass-Lowell poll showed Kennedy absolutely obliterating one of his potential Republican opponents, Sean Bielat, by a 60-28 margin. With any luck, things will stay that way from now until election day.

MD-06: Looks like we have some dueling internals in the Democratic primary. Financier John Delaney is touting a survey from Garin-Hart-Yang showing him tied at twenty apiece with state Sen. Rob Garagiola. Delaney claims his numbers have him moving up a bit from his last survey in November. Meanwhile, Garagiola has his own poll from Anzalone Liszt (PDF), but annoyingly, it doesn't include actual toplines—it just says that "Garagiola starts with a 10-point lead." It's also worth noting that the poll was taken in late January, before Delaney went on the air with a TV buy. (Garagiola isn't on the air yet.)

Meanwhile, Garagiola picked upa nice endorsement the other day: AFSCME Maryland gave him their backing, which follows similar moves by the SEIU and the National Education Assocation (NEA).

NC-06, NC-12: Guilford County Commissioner Billy Yow, who said last month that he was considering a challenge to Rep. Howard Coble in the GOP primary, will indeed join the race. As we noted when we first wrote about Yow's renewed interest in the race, there are a lot of reasons to think Coble will be particularly vulnerable this year, so I wouldn't be surprised if other Republicans got into the race.

Incidentally, the same article notes that another Guilford commissioner, Skip Alston, also won't seek re-election to his current post. Alston, though, is a Democrat, and he could be a possible successor to Rep. Mel Watt in the 12th, if Watt chooses not to seek another term. We're still waiting on Watt to decide, and it's not clear whether Alston knows something about Watt's plans. On the one hand, Alston says that he's looked at higher office but those positions are not available "at this moment"; on the other, he adds that the " time is going to come when those positions will be available." I guess we'll know soon enough.

NY-13: Wow, this New York Times article about GOP freshman Mike Grimm's business dealings is just a litany of sleaze—and this is on top of the brewing campaign finance scandal the NYT busted into the open just the other week. The story is hard to summarize, given just how many shady connections Grimm forged, but most center around his questionable business dealings with a corrupt former FBI agent who worked with Grimm when they were both at the FBI and who later served 18 months in prison for stealing $2 million from Texans' electricity bills. (That sounds like some kind of Superman III crime, doesn't it?) But you really need to click through and read the entire piece for yourself.

PA-17: Well, that's pretty flaky. Luzerne County councilman Stephen Urban began circulating petitions last month but said he wasn't sure whether he'd actually jump into the Democratic primary, where Blue Dog Rep. Tim Holden is already contending with a primary challenge from the left from attorney Matt Cartwright in this re-drawn (and bluer) district. A week later, Urban made up his mind and declared he was in. But the filing deadline came and went earlier this week, and only Holden and Cartwright actually filed—Urban's name is nowhere to be seen on the candidate list. Whatever!

RI-01: For a while there last year, it seemed like a whole host of Democrats were ready to primary freshman Rep. David Cicilline, who endured a huge spate of bad news related to his fiscal stewardship of Providence, the city where he'd served as mayor before winning a seat in Congress in 2010. But we haven't heard anything from any potential challengers in quite a while—except when they're informing us that they're not running. The latest is former state party chair Bill Lynch, who also ran for this seat last cycle but says he won't try again. Last month, Lynch's brother, former state AG Patrick Lynch, also said he won't get in. That largely leaves conservative businessman Anthony Gemma (who once upon a time said he was "95%" in) and former state Rep. David Segal, both of whom also sought this seat two years ago, as possible contenders, but like I say, they've both been quite for some time.

Other Races:

MT-St. Sen: This would be one of the weirdest elections of the cycle if these two guys faced off in November:

A local state Senate race keeps collecting candidates, with the unlikely addition Wednesday of a former Republican who said that he is running as a Democrat so he can change the "would-be communists" from within.

Michael Comstock filed this week to run as a Democrat in Senate District 34 - despite a campaign website that features common GOP talking points and is critical of President Barack Obama's health care overhaul. The announcement follows news that Kurt Bushnell, an active union political leader and supporter of Democrats, is seeking the GOP nomination in the conservative district.

Grab Bag:

ACU: The American Conservative Union is launching a radio ad campaign to help a whole bunch of Republicans, but given that we're only talking "several hundred thousand dollars" split 17 ways, that's not really the kind buy that's going to have a major impact. But anyhow, you can get a full list of the candidates ACU is supporting at the link.

Polltopia: Charles Franklin has a good essay on the continued refusal of many traditional media outlets to acknowledge automated polling, and how weird a bind it's putting them in. I was particularly struck by how awkward Chuck Todd sounded here:

But if you tuned in to The Daily Rundown with Chuck Todd this morning (Feb 15), you didn’t see this chart. You instead heard Todd report on an OHIO poll from Quinnipiac showing Santorum leading Romney 36-29. And then you heard Todd say “Ohio, Michigan, there’s a lot of similarity there.” OK. But what of the data represented in the above chart about Michigan, the critical current topic? Todd continued, saying “We haven’t seen some great polling out of Michigan yet that we are willing to quote, that meets NBC News standards, but its clear Santorum is on the move. We are seeing it nationally. We are seeing it there.”
Of course, if the tradmed wants to keep ignoring firms like PPP, it'll only make places which are open to discussing all pollsters even more popular—and I won't complain about that.

WATN? (PDF): Well whaddya know! Former Republican Rep. Virgil Goode, who represented VA-05 before getting turned out in 2008 by Democrat Tom Perriello, has filed a new FEC committee... to run for president! He lists his party as "CON," which I'm guessing either stands for "Conservative" or "Constitution"—if you're familiar with his career, you know Goode has a history of party switching, so maybe he's planning a third-party run. Fun! Also, if you've never actually heard Goode's speaking voice, I strongly suggest you check it out. It's quite a treat.

Redistricting Roundup:

FL Redistricting: As expected, Gov. Rick Scott signed Florida's new congressional map into law on Thursday. Two lawsuits have already been filed challenging the plans. And in related news, this is some serious chutzpah:

A House committee passed a bill along party lines Thursday that would shield legislators and their staffs from ever being required to testify or produce public records when they get sued.

The Republican-controlled Legislature’s proposal to grant itself what’s called “absolute privilege” in any civil suit or legal proceeding emerged for the first time Wednesday....

Would such a bill, particularly an after-the-fact one like this, even pass constitutional muster? Sadly, it very well may—but there are other issues. Via email, Prof. Justin Levitt (the mastermind behind Loyola Law School's indispensible All About Redistricting site) tells me:
As a rule binding state courts (including the Florida Supreme Court that will take first crack at reviewing state legislative plans), it seems (broad brush) permissible under the federal constitution. There are serious questions, though, about whether it'd be preempted by the new Amendments 5 and 6 of the state constitution, which prohibit drawing lines to favor or disfavor a party or incumbent; there's at least a good argument that this amendment preempts an attempt to confine the inquiry to circumstantial evidence only. And either way around, I think it's unlikely to be valid as an evidentiary rule for federal court... but then again, the federal courts wouldn't tend to weigh in on the meaning of Amendments 5 and 6.

The general upshot—it raises quite serious (state) constitutional issues with respect to the forum where the battle will really be highest-stakes. And I've not heard of any comparable analog. But at the end of the day, it'll likely depend on a Florida court's construction of Amendments 5 and 6, in an opinion that could reasonably go either way.

Originally posted to Daily Kos Elections on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 05:00 AM PST.

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  •  Mitt Romney as Ted Kennedy (15+ / 0-)

    I was really struck yesterday while leaving a comment at RRH, of the similarities of the failings between Kennedy's '80 campaign and Romney's now, and it really feeds into why I think Sanotrum is a better candidate. Most saliently I was struck by Kennedy's famous non-answer in response to "Why do you want to be President?" it really reminds me of the empty platitudes from the Romney camp:

    "Well, I'm - were I to make the announcement and to run, the reasons I would run is because I have a great belief in this country. That it is - there's more natural resources than any nation in the world; the greatest education population in the world; the greatest technology of any country in the world; the greatest capacity for innovation in the world; and the greatest political system in the world."
    Romney is one answer like that from collapsing, and I really doubt he will make it through the campaign without being put in a parallel situation. From what I've seen of his campaign so far, I doubt he's any more prepared to answer. Also, this quip sounds like it belongs in a Romney campaign strategy session:
    "Our mistake at the beginning of the campaign was thinking we're at 65 percent, so why would we take tough positions?" recalls Bob Shrum, Kennedy's speechwriter and press secretary during the campaign.
    If Romney wants to make it through the primary, let alone the general, he needs to find his base, and to do that he needs to find himself, his political core. You have to stand for something, and while I'm sure Romney does he needs to hurry up and tell us what that is. I was reading a really good series of Boston Globe articles on Kennedy's candidacy and I was really reminded of the similarities, I'll go ahead and post this excerpt from one of them and tell me it does not sound like it could have been written yesterday about Romney:
    His verbal clumsiness was already the stuff of legend. Edward Fouhy, a CBS Washington bureau chief in the early '80s, says, "He couldn't articulate an English sentence. He was hopeless on the stump and wasn't great with a prepared speech either."

    Nor did he open up in public. After a poor performance on a Sunday morning talk show before the 1980 campaign, a reporter traveling with him on a New York subway told Kennedy he had been awful. Couldn't he open up a bit? Kennedy turned to him and snapped, "What do you want me to do? Lay my intestines on the table?"

    I think it's worse though, for Romney, because liberals were really with Kennedy because of his record, not the empty platitudes of his campaign. You knew he was a liberal, and you knew Carter was a much worse bet in the general. Republican primary voters now do not know that, they do not have a conservative record to look at and to reassure themselves. They do not have any reason to suspect Santorum's favorability rating will plummet in the near future, the way we knew the rally-around-Carter moment was just that -- a brief moment in time.

    And I strongly disagree with the assumption that "if Romney loses, he will lose narrowly" I think there is no such guarantee, in fact I think the opposite, if you nominate Santorum then at least you know the red states will be there. It's not going to be 1964, with Romney, how can you assure that? If the economy begins to really heat up, Romney would be Aldai Stevenson, his entire strategy depends on a weak opponent because he has no appeal of his own.

    (-7.62, -6.31), Blood type "O", Democratic-socialist, social anarchist, KY-01, "When smashing monuments, save the pedestals. They always come in handy." — Stanisław Lem

    by Setsuna Mudo on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 05:08:32 AM PST

    •  agree for the most part (16+ / 0-)

      But with either candidate it could be as close to 1964 as it's possible to get nowadays.  Romney could collapse and lose tons of blue collar voters because he's an out of touch rich dude and Obama is leading us out of the recession.  His worst weakness is in the Midwest.

      Santorum, though, represents a dying way of life that's confined to narrower and narrower area and population of the country that most people just can't relate to anymore.  He said a child was better off with a parent in prison than being raised by gay parents.  He's against birth control and women having the same kinds of jobs as men.  His weakness is in the Dem-trending West and New South, where more socially moderate and progressive white collar voters will be alienated by his backwardness.

      That's my assessment, anyway.

      I changed by not changing at all, small town predicts my fate, perhaps that's what no one wants to see. -6.38, -4.15

      by James Allen on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 05:24:35 AM PST

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      •  mostly agree (3+ / 0-)
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        But I think the worst case for Romney is somewhere between 1984 and 1996, probably closer to 1996. Romney passes the sniff test and isn't going to scare any voters the way Goldwater did, he's just a poor campaigner.

        I agre with most of what you said about Santorum, but I would say that his weakness is in pretty much all urban or suburban areas. He might do ok in rural areas, small towns, and exurbs of conservative metros but I would bet that he wouldn't be able to beat McCain's share of the vote in any of the top 100 metro areas. He would probably come closest in Pittsburgh and Indianapolis.

        SSP poster. 42, CA-5, -0.25/-3.90

        by sacman701 on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 07:56:38 AM PST

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      •  That's a pretty good summary of things. (1+ / 0-)
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        In some ways, the danger is that a chunk of people just stays home, and this includes both people that would be easy pick ups for Romney were he the nominee and easy targets for a Democrat like Bill Clinton.

        I'm trying to think of the best way to put some numbers to this, but it's hard, because I don't think the liberal/moderate/conservative break down that CNN gives us is specific enough. Assuming PPP's break down with five categories is better, that's what I will use. Its latest national poll has the split at 11/20/28/25/17, from very liberal at 11 percent to very conservative at 17 percent.

        Assume the turn out is like that. Against Santorum, I think Obama's split might be like 96/92/75/12/3, or 53.47 percent overall. Against Romney, perhaps it would be like 93/87/68/7/5, or 50.27 percent.

        But what if the turnout is more like 10/18/26/26/20? That's a pretty sharp increase in the turn out of more conservative voters, perhaps too sharp, but assume it happened. If Obama were to post the same numbers against Santorum, he'd get only 49.38 percent.

        Now, I think that last result is kind of ridiculous. There's almost no way in hell that Santorum would beat Obama. But I left it as is to (a) prove I am not fishing for one particular result and (b) to show how a big surge in conservatives could make him do a lot better than we expected. Depending on the distribution of such voters, it might not make as big of a difference in the Electoral College, but if the results there align pretty good with the national results, and he does in fact do better than we expected because he would have turned out a lot of very conservative voters, he might end up more like McCain rather than Walter Mondale.

    •  I think yesterday's RRH discussion was remarkable (2+ / 0-)
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      (in a positive sense) in light of what I've heard about the SSP religious wars between Obama and Hillary supporters in early 2008.

      side quibble -- As much as I loved Ted Kennedy in '80 ("the work goes on, the hope endures, the cause lives on, and the dreams shall never die"), I certainly didn't believe that he'd do better than Carter in the general election campaign. After Carter clinched, I wanted to believe that Anderson could win as a true believing moderate....

      "I hope; therefore, I can live."
      For SSP users, see my Tips for Swingnuts diary

      by tietack on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 06:43:32 AM PST

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      •  Can you summarize (2+ / 0-)
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        the RRH conversations? I haven't been over there. Thanks.

        •  Basically a detailed look at strenghts/weaknesses (4+ / 0-)
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          of both Romney and Santorum, based on both perspectives of electability, given their policy positions.

          Where they're more optimistic about Santorum is based on their hope that he's positive enough, and speaks eloquently enough, in a populist economic sense, to carry midwestern Reagan Ds. But there's an understanding that there's no path to 270 for him without both OH and PA -- and an understanding that's going to be quite difficult.

          "I hope; therefore, I can live."
          For SSP users, see my Tips for Swingnuts diary

          by tietack on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 06:54:28 AM PST

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      •  I think the primary wars were more on kos than ssp (2+ / 0-)
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        interesting observation about rrh though

        26, originally OK-1, currently NY-8. Former swingnut.

        by okiedem on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 07:15:03 AM PST

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        •  It wasn't a war, it was a massacre. There (3+ / 0-)
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          was maybe one Clinton supporter for every 100 Obama supporters. Toward the end, I'd swear that it was just me and 2 other people who supported Clinton.

          Hillary Clinton's Liberal Ranking

          by tigercourse on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 07:29:17 AM PST

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        •  To be clear (13+ / 0-)

          There were zero primary wars at SSP. It was a primary-free zone, and everyone liked it that way. In fact, a lot of people told me during and after the election what a blessed relief it was that we were a primary-free zone. And trust me, I felt the same way.

          I'm already thinking about how to deal with 2016. I may just put a disclaimer at the top of every single post I write saying, "THIS IS A PRIMARY-FREE ZONE."

          Political Director, Daily Kos

          by David Nir on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 07:41:51 AM PST

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          •  OMG please do - thanks David (4+ / 0-)
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            The primary wars were one of the two must unpleasant periods at liberal blogs IMHO (along with the "kill the bill" hysteria).

            26, originally OK-1, currently NY-8. Former swingnut.

            by okiedem on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 07:45:03 AM PST

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          •  might wanna start in December. (5+ / 0-)

            I changed by not changing at all, small town predicts my fate, perhaps that's what no one wants to see. -6.38, -4.15

            by James Allen on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 07:48:09 AM PST

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          •  primary (0+ / 0-)

            I assume you mean presidential primary free zone. DKE without discussion of house, senate, and governor primaries wouldn't be much fun.

            SSP poster. 42, CA-5, -0.25/-3.90

            by sacman701 on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 07:59:22 AM PST

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          •  At a lower level (5+ / 0-)
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            there have been remarkably few D primary wars since the move from SSP, especially to the level of Fisher/Brunner. Though I have no doubt that Burner/DelBene and Kucinich/Kaptur may get more heated as primary day approaches.

            "I hope; therefore, I can live."
            For SSP users, see my Tips for Swingnuts diary

            by tietack on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 08:06:06 AM PST

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            •  I doubt it (0+ / 0-)

              The regular crowd here has largely moved intact from SSP, and the tone here has remained mostly the same.  So I'm actually expecting things won't get all that heated in discussing those primaries.  Sure there will be some contentious exchanges, but I don't expect to see anything out of the ordinary.

              43, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and a boy, Democrat, VA-10

              by DCCyclone on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 11:47:21 AM PST

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              •  Most of the conflict comes from mixing (1+ / 0-)
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                While some who have come from the main site fit in well with the SSP ethos, others do not....

                If I get in a combative mood, I'll be putting together a diary on why Delbene makes WA-01 likely D -- and how Burner would make it lean R.

                "I hope; therefore, I can live."
                For SSP users, see my Tips for Swingnuts diary

                by tietack on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 12:55:33 PM PST

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          •  I bet 2016 won't be so emotional for us (5+ / 0-)

            Granted, once contests get going, they become emotional to some degree, but 2008 was unique because we had two rivals with such large and intense personal followings.  Hillary's had grown over time, and Obama's was organic and more spontaneous.

            We don't have anyone looking ahead to 2016 who is likely to have that kind of following.  Certainly there is no one with a predictably large following like Hillary had even years out of her Prez run, and the spontaneous organic following Obama had is extremely rare.

            I think odds are that we'll get through 2015 and 2016 with people split on favorites, but not with nearly as much intensity or emotion like in 2008.  I think it will feel very, very different to us all.

            I remember very well that in 2004, for example, as much love as there was for Howard Dean, there wasn't any serious antipathy toward Kerry or Edwards.  Lieberman was hated, but that was universal in the netroots and so didn't cause any fissures in the netroots.  Gephardt was just dismissed without discussion.

            43, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and a boy, Democrat, VA-10

            by DCCyclone on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 08:21:26 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  If the race comes down to a man and a woman (3+ / 0-)
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              DCCyclone, Setsuna Mudo, Odysseus

              Then there will be tension for sure. There have already been small dustups here and there when people have suggested various white male nominees (ie O'Malley, Cuomo)

              •  Great point (1+ / 0-)
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                I hadn't thought of that, there definitely was a gender rivalry involved last time.  The white feminist crowd and allies really were frustrated to get trumped by a serious black male candidate, it was the worst-case scenario for them, maybe the only thing that could've stopped Hillary.

                43, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and a boy, Democrat, VA-10

                by DCCyclone on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 09:06:58 AM PST

                [ Parent ]

              •  If it is Cuomo vs Warren it will be a huge fight (0+ / 0-)

                and I'll be on the wrong side again.

                Hillary Clinton's Liberal Ranking

                by tigercourse on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 09:20:38 AM PST

                [ Parent ]

                •  It won't be Warren. (0+ / 0-)

                  I really, really like her, but I would be amazed if she tries to run for president in 2016.

                  •  I'd be surprised, at this point, if she (0+ / 0-)

                    doesn't. If you ever google something like Warren 2016 (I do that for most of the people I see as candidates to gauge sentiment) you'll see that there is quite alot of activist support for it. And when people are asking you to run, it become tempting.

                    Hillary Clinton's Liberal Ranking

                    by tigercourse on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 10:16:05 AM PST

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              •  If a white man wins the Democratic nomination (2+ / 0-)
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                HoosierD42, askew

                in 2016, I would be astonished if the vice presidential nominee were not a woman and/or a non-white person. As I've said many times, there's going to be enormous pressure for the Republicans to check off all of the boxes in order to try to win, even if picking someone who isn't a white male isn't going to make a big difference for them. The Democrats won't want to take any chances, especially if the vice presidential pick for the Republicans this year ends up being someone who isn't a white male.

                •  Republicans won't feel any pressure at all (2+ / 0-)
                  Recommended by:
                  NMLib, Setsuna Mudo

                  Rank-and-file Republican primary voters and caucusgoers don't care about elevating women or minorities except as occasional tokens.  They decide the nominee, and they don't and won't feel any particular compulsion to elevate a woman or Hispanic or other minority to the top of the ticket.

                  They don't think like we do.  On our side, we feel like we need to elevate women and minorities in politics beyond mere token numbers, and specifically at the top of the ticket.  I don't think most Republicans feel that way.

                  For this reason, I tend to be dismissive that Marco Rubio or Bobby Jindal would have any leg up over others.  If people like Bob McDonnell and Chris Christie and Jeb Bush and others don't run, then the weak competition could propel one of those guys to the top, but GOP voters won't care about electing the first Hispanic President.

                  43, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and a boy, Democrat, VA-10

                  by DCCyclone on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 11:45:36 AM PST

                  [ Parent ]

              •  I don't believe it was gender that fostered.. (0+ / 0-)

                ...hostility and conflict.  It was the artificial nature of the basis for support and opposition.

                Position by position, Obama and Clinton were nearly identical (on the few issues you could pin either of them down on).

                Rhetorically, while their style was dramatically different, the substance was pretty damn close to identical.

                Each had different micro-focuses, but the general theme for their candidacy/campaigns was very similar.

                Gender and Race were obvious things people could see differentiating between the candidates in the absence of anything substantive.  It wasn't that they were different gender and race, it was that there wasn't a damn thing else on which to divide them.

                Had it been a contest between candidates with wider ranges of substantive differences, I believe the conflicts would have been far less personal and divisive.  When we can't identify good reasons to choose X over Y, we focus on either a) the reasons to reject X/Y or b) morphing opinion in to fact to back up arguments.

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                by mp on Tue Feb 21, 2012 at 01:10:35 PM PST

                [ Parent ]

            •  I am not as optimistic as you are (5+ / 0-)

              We've already had more than one heated discussion about Gillibrand with the comment threads racing waaay out to the right-side margin. If Cuomo (or Jay Nixon) gets in, there will be ugly debates about supporting the "most electable" Democrat.

              And your view of 2004, well... I just gotta say I emphatically disagree! Were you hanging around here back then? It was precisely because of the Dean-Clark primary wars that I founded SSP in 2003. I got really bored of those fights and wanted to move on to discussing the general election.

              People get very, very invested in presidential primary candidates. What's more, the subject also draws in people who otherwise never care about primary elections at other levels - which means people who either don't know or don't care about our folkways here.

              And on top of that, like I always say, this is a huge fonkin' site. There will be so, so many places to discuss the primary. I'd really like to keep this as one clear primary-free zone.

              Political Director, Daily Kos

              by David Nir on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 09:27:18 AM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  I discovered DailyKos in mid-2003, and... (1+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                Setsuna Mudo

                ...I didn't think, and still don't think, any of the online candidate-supporter rivalries back then were that big a deal.  I guess it's eye-of-the-beholder, I thought the site had heavy enough traffic even in those early days that you could see whatever you wanted to see.  I certainly didn't think any of the rivalries then came remotely close to the 2008 rhetorical wars, which were far more consuming on DK.  I felt in 2004 there was an anti-Bush unity that overwhelmed intraparty squabbles, on DK and other netroots venues.  That wasn't there in 2008 because Obama and Hillary both had such strong and loyal blocs of support, and victory in November with any nominee was practically assumed with the sad state Bush and his party were in.

                43, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and a boy, Democrat, VA-10

                by DCCyclone on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 11:40:35 AM PST

                [ Parent ]

                •  Well (2+ / 0-)
                  Recommended by:
                  Setsuna Mudo, DCCyclone

                  It got so bad that at one point late in the game, Markos banned advocacy on behalf of anyone but Dean and Clark, because it was clear that only those two had a shot at the nomination. Sigh.

                  I agree with you 2008 was much worse. But even 2004 I wouldn't want a replay of here at DKE.

                  Political Director, Daily Kos

                  by David Nir on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 12:53:06 PM PST

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    •  It could be 1964, (2+ / 0-)
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      itskevin, Setsuna Mudo

      or 1694 as I originally typed, with either of them. As I said yesterday, Santorum is at least bound to have the strong support of social conservatives. Other groups may be way of him, to say the last, but not social conservatives. With Romney, even if nobody hates him, nobody really likes him. It's probably not that likely, but then, it's probably not that out of the question that he could lose by a slightly worse margin than Santorum.

  •  PPP has Santorum up 9 in WA: (8+ / 0-)
    PublicPolicyPolling @ppppolls  Reply  Retweet  Favorite · Open
    Santorum up about 9 points on Romney on the first night of our Washington poll...would be big win sandwiched between MI/AZ and Super Tuesday
    If he wins MI he could lock this one up easy.

    (-7.62, -6.31), Blood type "O", Democratic-socialist, social anarchist, KY-01, "When smashing monuments, save the pedestals. They always come in handy." — Stanisław Lem

    by Setsuna Mudo on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 05:10:44 AM PST

    •  No, not easily (0+ / 0-)

      This is Romney's last chance at the nomination -- and he knows it.  He believes himself to be the anointed one and he wants this office more deeply than anyone since Bill Clinton.  He'll fight at least until the Utah primary (in late June) and probably beyond, trying to pick off delegates like Hart in 1984.  (I look forward to his pursuing an eventual last-ditch alliance with Ron Paul.)  By the last day of the convention, he'll have made Hillary look like Fred Thompson.

      Democrats must
      Earn the trust
      Of the 99% --
      That's our intent!

      "I love this goddamn country, and we're going to take it back." -- Saul Alinksy OCcupy!

      by Seneca Doane on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 08:39:02 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  It figures (0+ / 0-)

      Social conservatives in Washington are busy organizing for an anti-marriage equality referendum, which can only help Santorum.

  •  NC-Gov (6+ / 0-)

    Is Miller being wry by comparing the desire for public office to cancer?

    “Although my determination to hold elective office appears now to be in remission, I may seek elective office again."

    But nobody's buying flowers from the flower lady.

    by Rich in PA on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 06:12:05 AM PST

  •  I'm sorry HoosierD42, but I've intruded on (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Englishlefty, Setsuna Mudo

    your "doubling the house" territory.

    I changed by not changing at all, small town predicts my fate, perhaps that's what no one wants to see. -6.38, -4.15

    by James Allen on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 06:14:29 AM PST

    •  Hahaha (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      James Allen

      I saw that, and I don't own it. So please, go ahead! I wasn't planning to do Oregon until there was political data, because, as you note in your diary, I tend to draw maps that unduly favor Democrats.

      I liked your map by the way.

      24, Solid Liberal Democrat (-4.75, -4.51), DKE Gay Caucus Majority Leader, IN-02; Swingnut. Gregg for Governor! Donnelly for Senate! Mullen for Congress!

      by HoosierD42 on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 10:19:34 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Rick Snyder's approval/disapproval at 40/47, (4+ / 0-)

    per PPP. That seems higher than I would have expected.

    Perhaps his agenda has been less well-publicized than those of Kasich and Walker.

  •  Ok what's up with Warren (0+ / 0-)

    now being a 9 point underdog to Brown in the latest Suffolk poll.

    Republican Family Values: Using the daughters from your first wife to convince everybody that your second wife is lying about your third wife.

    by jsfox on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 06:33:01 AM PST

  •  Women are team players. . (4+ / 0-)
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    Marcus Graly, Odysseus, HoosierD42, askew

    Rep. Marjorie Margolies Mevinsky who provided the final vote for Clinton's budget -- (the budget that would have balanced the budget if W hadn't destroyed it in later years).  Dozens of Dems in safe districts refused to provide that vote.  She lost her seat for it.  I hope there's no repeat of that.

  •  TGIF (4+ / 0-)

    later today, after classes, I will finish up my map of TN theoretical maps.  I draw a Nashville vote sink first (more or less what the TN GOP drew), then splitting Nashville in half (and taking in red area), then three ways.

    Sh*t politicians say: "I'm Pete 'Spend-It-Not' Hoekstra and I approve this message." -'Police State' Pete

    by KingofSpades on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 06:53:59 AM PST

  •  MD-06 (0+ / 0-)

    Something that seems odd to me has popped up in this contest. State Senator Rob Garagiola's campaign is pointing to FEC records showing that his opponent in the Democratic primary, financier John Delaney, gave Congressman Andy Harris (MD-01), a teabag Republican supported by the Club for Growth, the maximum allowable donation just one week before the 2010 election. Whassup with that?

    " 'In this world, Elwood, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant.' Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. You may quote me." Elwood P. Dowd

    by paulbkk on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 06:55:13 AM PST

  •  lucky you - I would need a new hero too (0+ / 0-)
  •  Ilya Sheyman (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Audrid, Setsuna Mudo, Odysseus

    All but two IL-10 Democratic Township Organizations have gotten behind him and will be pounding the ground for him over the next month.

    That poll doesn't pass my smell test. I see no enthusiasm for Schneider in IL-10 and a lot of liberals have absolutely fallen head over heels for their guy Sheyman. Schneider doesn't inspire much enthusiasm. His campaign hasn't been as strong as Sheyman's. Even if Schneider is up, he's not up by that much.

    Disclaimer- I live in the current IL-10 and volunteer for my Congressman's campaign.

    18. R. IL-10. Justin Amash-ite. “Freedom granted only when it is known beforehand that its effects will be beneficial is not freedom.”- F.A. Hayek

    by IllinoyedR on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 07:17:48 AM PST

    •  hmm (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Setsuna Mudo

      I was skeptical about whether Sheyman would go over well in an upscale suburban district given his youth and thin resume, but he must be doing something right. I'm still not sure whether he can get to 50% in the general just by appealing to committed Dems, though.

      SSP poster. 42, CA-5, -0.25/-3.90

      by sacman701 on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 08:04:42 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  He has a very good shot. (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Setsuna Mudo

        This district did vote for Pat Quinn and even Dan Seals would have won it back in 2006 or 2008, and certainly in 2010.  Dold is in an uphill battle as the numbers are stacked against him.

        Sh*t politicians say: "I'm Pete 'Spend-It-Not' Hoekstra and I approve this message." -'Police State' Pete

        by KingofSpades on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 08:25:33 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  All we know is the polls. (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:

      That poll a month ago had Sheyman ahead by 2, this one with Schneider ahead by 10.  Both had sky-high undecideds so this can easily go either way.

      Sh*t politicians say: "I'm Pete 'Spend-It-Not' Hoekstra and I approve this message." -'Police State' Pete

      by KingofSpades on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 08:23:19 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Visible enthusiasm is meaningless (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        KingofSpades, tietack

        Most rand-and-file primary voters, everywhere, are quiet types who think for themselves, and frankly also are older and more habitual voters than November will see.

        And this guy is on Dold's side, he of course isn't in the loop on what's really happening on the Dem side.

        43, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and a boy, Democrat, VA-10

        by DCCyclone on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 10:11:07 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Hmm (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          sawolf, tietack
          he of course isn't in the loop on what's really happening on the Dem side.
          So, my being a Republican means I can't and don't have friends who work or volunteer for local Democratic politicians?

          18. R. IL-10. Justin Amash-ite. “Freedom granted only when it is known beforehand that its effects will be beneficial is not freedom.”- F.A. Hayek

          by IllinoyedR on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 10:22:55 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  While I'm tipping you (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:

            --friends-- from the opposite party is too small of a sample.

            "I hope; therefore, I can live."
            For SSP users, see my Tips for Swingnuts diary

            by tietack on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 11:41:32 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  I can't gauge my own side's contested primaries... (1+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:

              ...locally in Fairfax County even being involved actively in party politics, unless someone who knows the real scoop shares it.

              And "the real scoop" comes from people who have the polling data or aggregated (not anecdotal) field data.

              That information is a close hold, and IL-10 Democrats who have it are definitely not letting IllinoyedR in on it.

              43, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and a boy, Democrat, VA-10

              by DCCyclone on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 09:56:56 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

  •  PPP tweets (5+ / 0-)
    PublicPolicyPolling @ppppolls  Reply  Retweet  Favorite · Open
    Democrats lead generic legislative ballot in Michigan 48-34, should give them chance to retake House:…
    PublicPolicyPolling @ppppolls  Reply  Retweet  Favorite · Open
    Only 38% in MI support Snyder's ban on benefits for same sex partners of public employees. 45% opposed:…
    PublicPolicyPolling @ppppolls  Reply  Retweet  Favorite · Open
    City of Detroit's favorability with MI Republicans is 14/61. Probably ok with letting it go bankrupt:…

    (-7.62, -6.31), Blood type "O", Democratic-socialist, social anarchist, KY-01, "When smashing monuments, save the pedestals. They always come in handy." — Stanisław Lem

    by Setsuna Mudo on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 07:27:59 AM PST

  •  WI-Redist: More documents released (4+ / 0-)

    I know this was posted in the live diary today, but here is also the pdf of emails:

    To me, one of the most interesting passages is where they admitted the "wildly gerrymandering" of the 7th district to maximize the hispanic percentage of SD 3.  To me, this could help to indicate an illegal racial gerrymander.

    All Wisconsin, All the Time, Social Democrat, currently NY-22 (College), WI-05 (Home)

    by glame on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 07:29:30 AM PST

    •  I don't think so (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Seneca Doane, Setsuna Mudo

      As much as I would like it if they threw out these districts and wrote new ones, that doesn't look like what's happening here.

      Right now there is only one Hispanic in the state legislature. They drew the white incumbent out of the 9th assembly district and increased the Hispanic voting age population in the open assembly district to help ensure that another Hispanic could get elected.

      Meanwhile there are zero Hispanics in the state senate. This is the only area in the state where a plausible state senate district can be drawn, so they're trying to bring the voting age population of the district up to a majority. It's not like they drew two solid majority Hispanic districts into one super majority district and one that's lily white.

      "Wildly gerrymandering" is a poor choice of words, but it doesn't look to my untrained eyes that they're doing anything illegal here.

  •  MA-Sen: bad (confirmed) Suffolk poll (9+ / 0-)

    Some of you by now have seen the new Suffolk poll that has Scott Brown up on Elizabeth Warren 49-40.

    It smells like a bad outlier, but of course coming from me or any of us that can sound like denialism and sour grapes.

    But Dave Catanese of Politico confirms that even Republicans dismiss the poll, that internal polling confirms the race a tossup:

    43, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and a boy, Democrat, VA-10

    by DCCyclone on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 07:42:25 AM PST

    •  If Santorum's on the top of the ticket (5+ / 0-)

      Brown will lose by at least 9.

      •  Yep. (0+ / 0-)

        This is not a political climate that is favorable for ticket splitting.
        I think Brown can run 8 or maybe 10 points ahead of the national ticket tops.

        In a situation where it's Romney and he can get 41-42% or so in MA, Brown has a definite shot at holding on. Mitt wont be campaigning for MA but will be on TV in Boston for NH since NH is prob part of his strategy.

        Santorum isn't getting out of the lower 30s in MA and might do worse than that. Brown would need 16 points or more in crossover voting and he's not that strong or compelling.  

        Stuck Between Stations : Thoughts from a bottomless pool of useless information.

        by Answer Guy on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 08:51:21 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  Poor Fund Raising Numbers from Obama? (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Setsuna Mudo, Odysseus, askew

    He raised about $29 million for his campaign and the DNC. I don't mean to seem like a concern troll here, but I am not sure of what context to put the numbers in. So here are some of the conflicting thoughts I have:

    1. This isn't a bad number at all, for anyone, especially when you consider expectations are so ridiculously high. In some sense, there's really no limit to how much he can raise, even drawing on the same donors as last time. As I said in a response to DCCyclone that somehow never got posted, his campaign has, if I recall correctly, at least two million donors. If just one million of them gave half of the legal limit (the primary and general totals being one sum), he'd have $2.5 billion, to take an extreme example.

    2. We might just not be at that point where fund raising really kicks in. There's not a lot to go on here, since eye popping totals are a relatively new phenomenon in American politics, but if most people have yet to seriously tune in to the presidential campaign, including those who are more active and thus likely to donate, it wouldn't surprise me if totals are down.

    3. It could also just be hang over from the holidays in addition to the rough economy and general unforeseen expenses. I can only speak for myself, but I don't think I've given anything except something small to the DSCC in the last few months. I'm thankfully not struggling, but I've had a lot of unanticipated expenses pop up. Plus, on a job application, it asked something about donations, and I figured that I would hold off until I figured that out.

    4. But when totals start to seriously increase? If he's going to raise about $1 billion, he has to start racking up huge totals sooner rather than later.

    5. And since I can never, ever do enough of the "1000 monkeys typing"-like statements, figure that if he received an average of $100 bucks from 500,000 people, he'd get $50 million. Yet, he got less than $30 in total, when factoring in the DNC's money. What gives?

    •  one month (7+ / 0-)

      for a quarter that'd be 87 million.  That's the perspective.

      I changed by not changing at all, small town predicts my fate, perhaps that's what no one wants to see. -6.38, -4.15

      by James Allen on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 08:13:46 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  And further important perspective is... (6+ / 0-)

        ...fundraising accelerates in the election year.

        Obama is ahead, by a lot, of where he was in February 2008.  He reached $750 million for the cycle.

        The same thing will happen this time, with the donations acclerating later as more supporters get engaged.

        The improving economy is a big part of it, on two levels.  First, it improves Democratic morale and makes more people want to give.  Second, it puts more money in people's pockets so that more people can give.

        43, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and a boy, Democrat, VA-10

        by DCCyclone on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 08:27:45 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  Good point. (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Setsuna Mudo

        As I neglected to mention above, it does seem like the fund raising is picking up, however quickly, as he raised all of $42 million for the last three months of 2011. I kind of expected/hoped it'd be more. The relentless partisan in me wants one month, relatively early, where his total is so bizarrely high--as in, $200 million or more--that it causes a collective brain freeze on the part of the Republicans.

  •  WI-02: (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    David Nir, sawolf

    I made a diary of Mark Pocan's campaign kickoff.  Check it out here:
    I haven't done a diary in awhile so let me know what you think, any rec's would be appreciated!

  •  AR-03 Candidate Ken Aden (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    KingofSpades, Setsuna Mudo, David Nir

    Despite intimidation and an uphill battle, Aden continues to slog onward.  Here's the diary updating his campaign.

    Rise Up! Still not thy voice - Slack not thy hand!

    by Arkieboy on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 08:06:32 AM PST

    •  I love quixotic House races. (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Arkieboy, Setsuna Mudo

      They inspire.

      Sh*t politicians say: "I'm Pete 'Spend-It-Not' Hoekstra and I approve this message." -'Police State' Pete

      by KingofSpades on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 08:20:40 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  'Quixotic' ... (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        David Nir

        Maybe... but seeing the level of frustration and disappointment with the teabagger incumbent keeps us going.  This Womack is 'agin' everything.  He's even signed on to the Repub meme about contraception.  This in a state with one of the highest teen pregnancy rates in the nation.  Not to mention that even the tea bagger rank and file don't want any cuts to SS or Medicare.  

        Besides, what the hell are they going to do to Aden?  Make him go back to that $7.75 hr job he had when he started his campaign?  Banish him to political obscurity?  

        'The most dangerous political opponent is the one who absolutely nothing to lose.'  - The Bumpkin Philosopher

        Rise Up! Still not thy voice - Slack not thy hand!

        by Arkieboy on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 08:30:05 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  I feel the same way. (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Setsuna Mudo

        There's something oddly...engrossing, about the process. If there's any silver lining to 2010, it's that people can win in seats nobody thought was possible.

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