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Paul Babeu

Here's one little detail from the whole Paul Babeu saga that hasn't gotten much attention, but which my fellow blogger-in-arms James L took note of. The Phoenix New Times article which broke the story about Babeu—the Republican Arizona sheriff running for Congress who allegedly threatened to deport a former lover if he failed to keep their relationship secret—included this passage about Jose, Babeu's ex:

Jose admits that he lashed out on news websites featuring stories about Babeu. He says he commented anonymously that the sheriff was not who people thought he was. He says he once wrote a comment on Chino Valley eNews that Babeu had an account on adam4adam.com, where gay men arrange sexual liaisons.
The comment in question was posted back in January, long before the New Times piece exploded on to the scene this past weeked. When the comment appeared, though, eNews attempted to follow up on the story with Babeu's campaign, and this is what they were told:
However, in that Phoenix New Times article, there is mention of a comment that was left on one of the eNewsAZ networked websites. When that comment, dated January 7, 2012, was posted, it was immediately deleted by the eNewsAZ editorial staff due to the nature of the content.

At the time, we asked Chris DeRose, Babeu's campaign manager, about the comment, and he responded that Babeu had a sister with a mental illness who was posting comments like this on various websites. We had already deleted the comment, so we pursued it no further.

Did you catch that? Babeu, in trying to hide his relationship with Jose, tried to blame these comments on his mentally ill sister. What a guy.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Tue Feb 21, 2012 at 10:00 AM PST.

Also republished by Baja Arizona Kossacks.

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  •  This guy is a hypocrite (16+ / 0-)

    "Rick Perry talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans." --- James Carville

    by LaurenMonica on Tue Feb 21, 2012 at 10:03:32 AM PST

    •  that does not begin to describe what an awful (14+ / 0-)

      person he appears to be.

      I changed by not changing at all, small town predicts my fate, perhaps that's what no one wants to see. -6.38, -4.15

      by James Allen on Tue Feb 21, 2012 at 10:04:34 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Not really a hypocrite (4+ / 0-)

      I mean, as far as I know he doesn't have a history of spewing homophobic hate speech; he has a history of spewing xenophobic hate speech.

      He's consistently looked upon brown people with contempt, and feels comfortable dehumanizing them, including his partner.  While it might seem hypocritical for him to date an illegal immigrant while enforcing these cruel laws, his primary attraction to both the law and his former partner appears to be the crazed power rush he gets from holding life-altering authority over others.

      Why should we be surprised that such a person would hide in the closet behind his mentally ill sister?  This is a loathsome human being, but his loathsomeness is not contradictory.

      •  wait please and think about (1+ / 0-)
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        what you just wrote eg4190.   xemophobic hate speech equals homophobic hate speech equals speech about fear of those who are different or are powerless when it comes to the majority.  It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that if you are hating some group or scapegoating some group, that all "different and not white straight men" groups are part of big picture.  I certainly think there is a deep connection between oppressed groups in our country.

        Reactionaries just don't go after one group... look at the German concentration camps.  Hate and fear based on one group is hate and fear based on many groups that are not part of what they think the norm should be.

        But I certainly agree he is loathsome but he is part of a bigger problem of hate for those who are different, including gay people.  One might call it self-loathing.  But I still feel his actions do point him out as a hypocrite when it comes to gay people.

        Pass new laws to end media monopolization now.

        by john from vermont on Tue Feb 21, 2012 at 11:03:21 AM PST

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        •  Sorry, but that is fallacious (3+ / 0-)
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          Your assertion that all hostilities are ultimately of one is both logically specious and indicates a limited life experience.  I am sad to say there are plenty of gay men who are not self-hating, but are racist.  Hate is not expressed only by those who are "not different," which appears to be your position.  All people are capable of hate, regardless of how politically marginalized they are.  I thought that was obvious to all.

          All people are different in some form or another and that difference can easily the form the basis of hatred (race, religion, weight, skin color, language, domicile, ethnicity, etc ad nauseum).  

          I agree that putting hate out into the cosmos has a deliterious effect, but that's a different point.    

          •  oh well, you missed my point.. (0+ / 0-)

            of course hate is different from different groups... but I was talking about power relationships and oppression.  That there are deep connections to those who are fighting agaist that power and those who are oppressed.  To find a marginal person who happens to be black and has power and uses it against women doesn't mean anything.  Cain e.g was a jerk. It doesn't take away the history of oppression for blacks nor does it take away the relationships by women and gay people who fought for African American civil rights partially because they understood the connection.   But building coaltions for justice agaist ruling oppressors has been and continues to be a thoughtful approach.   And who are you to start talking about limited life experience.  Those kinds of remarks are actually pretty baseless given the reality of this site.  Most people don't know anything about who it is that is writing.  I'd stick to information and not draw such drastic conclusions from one post.

            Pass new laws to end media monopolization now.

            by john from vermont on Wed Feb 22, 2012 at 10:11:14 AM PST

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            •  I strongly disagree (0+ / 0-)

              To use your example:  to say that Cain's harassment of women "doesn't mean anything" is wrong IMO.  One can be both oppressed and oppressor, as your Cain example explains.  It is no comfort to a woman who is harassed that her harasser is a member of a disadvantaged group.  Her oppression is no less painful and offensive.  

              Do you really intend to say what you do?  I confess that much of your comment seems unclear to me.  For example, it is quite possible for two groups to fight against their oppressors, but still be antagonistic towards one another.  It seems that you have a binary attitude towards this issue.  This could explain our disagreement because I tend to approach human behavior on a more micro level.  Power dynamics shift and change depending upon the context.  I do not believe in absolutes in this area.

              I apologize for my comment about limited life experience.  It was meaningless and not thoughtful.  

              •  again I am not talking about (0+ / 0-)

                individuals... I am talking about movements.  The Civil Rights Movement called on other oppressed groups to join in coalition.  The idea being that if you change the oppressor in some ways -- that is the power dynamics that keep blacks oppressed, that perhaps some change can be drawn for all oppressed groups.  Cain and other leaders who happen to come from a oppressed group should not be the example but the exception.  I would not support Thatcher but I would support women who are fighting for equal rights for women because I know as a gay man that those power dynamics and change that comes from those struggles actually help our cause too.   I find closet homosexuals who work against gays, usually are against other oppressed groups.  I have seen a history of change that comes from coaltions from oppressed groups.  But much of this is usually comfounded when a single individual like Babeau (who is gay) or the single black politiican who is used by the oppressive majority to fight back on the gains by those who are oppressed is given a free ride.  Many people end up confused which seems to be the case here in our back and forth.

                Pass new laws to end media monopolization now.

                by john from vermont on Wed Feb 22, 2012 at 11:54:05 AM PST

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    •  Babeu...vintage Republican... (3+ / 0-)
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      "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis, 1935 --Talk of foresight--

      by tuma on Tue Feb 21, 2012 at 10:46:20 AM PST

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    •  A hypocrite, and a Republican (4+ / 0-)

      ...but I repeat myself.  :-)

      -Jay-
      
  •  Wow. (17+ / 0-)

    Okay, so he threatened his lover with deportation, and is now blaming his sister.

    What a creep. I mean, how low can one person be?

    P.S. I am not a crackpot.

    by BoiseBlue on Tue Feb 21, 2012 at 10:04:27 AM PST

  •  There's a violation of some kind in there for sure (5+ / 0-)

    I mean, isn't there something in the law that says that before an American man can have sex with another man from another country you first have to check to make sure he's legal...or at least has his green card or something?

    I think so.

    - If you don't like gay marriage, blame straight people. They're the ones who keep having gay babies.

    by r2did2 on Tue Feb 21, 2012 at 10:04:45 AM PST

  •  Well sure... (12+ / 0-)

    Why wouldn't a Republican blame his mentally ill sister?

    The "party of personal responsibility" is as consistent as the "party of life".

    If Liberals hated America, we'd vote Republican.

    by ord avg guy on Tue Feb 21, 2012 at 10:05:05 AM PST

  •  Isn't That What Mentally Ill Siblings Are For? (4+ / 0-)
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    What a guy!

    This head movie makes my eyes rain.

    by The Lone Apple on Tue Feb 21, 2012 at 10:07:05 AM PST

  •  HBO is gonna love making this movie. (3+ / 0-)
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  •  So he aslo , on top of everything else (1+ / 0-)
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    DontTaseMeBro

    admits that he can't control access to his computer / computer accounts ?
    Or maybe his sister hacked her way past his passwords ?
    Let me guess 123 abc ?

    "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

    by indycam on Tue Feb 21, 2012 at 10:11:36 AM PST

    •  His sister is... (2+ / 0-)
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      Lisbeth Slander?

      'Osama Bin Ladien is still dead and GM is still alive' - Joe Biden

      by RichM on Tue Feb 21, 2012 at 10:18:44 AM PST

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    •  Actually, Babeu is claiming that his (0+ / 0-)

      sister wrote José's comments.  Which is just bizarre on its face and also raises the question - so the sister knew about this relationship?  Did she know about the deportation threat?

      It's one of the most bizarre excuses I've seen - well, ever since his PREVIOUS bizarre excuse.

      I'm shocked that he's still in office, I do not see how Babeu lasts the week.  Hell, I didn't expect him to last until close of business on the day that the deportation threat came to light, but Babeu apparently has an unexcused absence for that day in teabagger class when they taught aspiring teabaggers to, well, get out of Dodge while the getting's good.

      I love failed Republicans who never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

      "What Washington needs is adult supervision" - Barack Obama

      by auron renouille on Tue Feb 21, 2012 at 10:58:28 AM PST

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  •  Anyone spot the pattern here? n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    Cato come back

    GOP = Greedy One Percent

    by Palafox on Tue Feb 21, 2012 at 10:12:13 AM PST

  •  GAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (3+ / 0-)
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    annieli, RichM, denig

    This pathetic folly happens over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, because people like this man seek and obtain power over others before they have taken responsibility for empowering themselves.

    Over and over and over and over and over and over and....

  •  Wtf? I didn't think I could hate this guy more... (0+ / 0-)

    I also wonder if he does have a mentally ill sister, or if he's even lying about that!

    Completely, utterly despicable, but particularly if he does indeed have a mentally ill sister.

  •  So I just clicked the link perused the comments (11+ / 0-)

    And looky what I found:

    Paul has other lovers he has threatened when he broke up with him. I have been threatened by my father through Paul. Paul has told my family not to talk to me. Paul is spreading slander comments about me along with his lawyer Chris as you see above that I am mentally ill. Paul and his lawyer are now attacking another group of people. They are so stupid. The truth stands, no matter what lies they say about me. I will not back down from their lies and threats.Lucy Babeu

    P.S. I am not a crackpot.

    by BoiseBlue on Tue Feb 21, 2012 at 10:13:47 AM PST

  •  Well, he can kiss his primary race goodbye (7+ / 0-)

    after saying yesterday that he supports gays in the military and gay marriage. Someone should tell him who runs the GOP in Arizona. Here's a hint: gay-bashing recall Senator Russell Pearce was just elected the #2 man in the state GOP.

    stay together / learn the flowers / go light - Gary Snyder

    by Mother Mags on Tue Feb 21, 2012 at 10:13:49 AM PST

  •  classhole acthole /nt (0+ / 0-)

    dangerous voter for a "dangerous president"; Präsidentenelf-maßschach; Warning-Some Snark Above"Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) "Sciant terra viam monstrare."

    by annieli on Tue Feb 21, 2012 at 10:15:31 AM PST

  •  Yet abother sob story about a gay Republican (2+ / 0-)
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    tuma, OMwordTHRUdaFOG

    who is desperate to try to stay in the closet at all costs. It never ceases to amaze me how many just exactly like this guy there is in the Republican party. I keep reading stories in the Advocate from conservative writers that claim the Repugs will overtake the Dem party when it comes to gay acceptance, gay marriage and everything else gay. I don't think so!!! Here is another example why.  There is only one that I can now think of , the former frontman for the RNC, I can't think of his name, who is now out, after being in the closet for years and years, Ron Mehlman, I think his name is.

  •  How far would you have to look for the source (2+ / 0-)
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    annieli, Cato come back

    of the sister's 'mental' problems?  He gives me a tic just hearing about him.

    . . . from Julie, Julia. "Oh, well. Boo-hoo. Now what?"

    by 88kathy on Tue Feb 21, 2012 at 10:17:25 AM PST

  •  What an awful person. (0+ / 0-)

    I try to limit my criticisms of politicians to their policies, but he seems like a genuinely bad person.

    - screwing over someone he "loved"

    - being an anti-immigrant hypocrite

    - using his sexual orientation to mask his actual real horrific actions

    - blaming a relative dealing with mental illness for his problems

    Wow.

    Read my stuff at burn after writing and The Huffington Post @indiemcemopants on Twitter

    by Scottie Thomaston on Tue Feb 21, 2012 at 10:17:32 AM PST

  •  Franklin Graham says that Babeu is a Christian. (1+ / 0-)
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    annieli

    But Obama likes Muslims more than Christians.

    Okay, I made up that first part.

  •  Nice! What a douchbag (0+ / 0-)

    I hope his entire career implodes.

  •  OT - TU's check the hiddens. RonnieMexico needs to (0+ / 0-)

    be gone.

    Sig seen on Redstate: ABO Anybody But Obama. Sorry, I'm stealing that.... Another Barack Opportunity. Vote Obama/Biden 2012!

    by mrsgoo on Tue Feb 21, 2012 at 10:24:03 AM PST

  •  May 2010 profile (2+ / 0-)
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    Eddie L, OMwordTHRUdaFOG

    When he was all new and shiny

    Babeu's border-hawk stance and penchant for self-promotion have led some to label him a less abrasive version of Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio. But Arpaio was a law enforcement officer who turned politician, while Babeu is a politician turned sheriff.

    Raised in North Adams, Mass., in a family of 11 children, he was elected to the City Council at age 18............
    Babeu (pronounced "BAB-you"), unmarried and with no kids, downplays his political aspirations, but he molds his personal image by posting his latest TV appearances on his Facebook page and his personal website - Sheriffpaul.com.

    The increasingly public face of Pinal County also has a scar: As a young teen, he was abused by Catholic priests. But even in that context, Babeu became a sort of spokesman for the often shattered church-abuse victims.

    http://azstarnet.com/...

    from a bright young conservative: “I’m watching my first GOP debate…and WE SOUND LIKE CRAZY PEOPLE!!!!”

    by Catte Nappe on Tue Feb 21, 2012 at 10:24:58 AM PST

  •  It's curious how often the most (0+ / 0-)

    destructive people there are in society turn out to be closeted gays.

    It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

    by karmsy on Tue Feb 21, 2012 at 10:37:41 AM PST

    •  Ha ha, I dated one (2+ / 0-)
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      karmsy, BoiseBlue

      A gay conservative, that is.  Dumped his self-hating ass, and my life has been so much better ever since.

      ~ Nothing insightful to say ~

      by EagleOfFreedom on Tue Feb 21, 2012 at 10:44:14 AM PST

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      •  I suspect the virulence of the self-hatred (1+ / 0-)
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        in closeted gays often results in the virulence of the destructiveness directed outward.

        It was rumored that Senator Joseph McCarthy was gay, and we have it on pretty good evidence that bully and Reagan confidant lawyer Roy Cohn was also a deeply closeted homosexual.

        It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

        by karmsy on Tue Feb 21, 2012 at 10:48:21 AM PST

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        •  Read Citizen Cohn by Nicholas Van Hoffman. (2+ / 0-)
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               That book's description of Roy's last days is unforgettable.

          ¡Viva Baja Libre!

          by Azazello on Tue Feb 21, 2012 at 11:53:51 AM PST

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          •  I've seen Tony Kushner's (1+ / 0-)
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            "Angels in America," in which Al Pacino played Roy Cohn. The play depicted Cohn's death from AIDS, in which he was stalked by the ghost of Ethel Rosenburg (portrayed by Meryl Streep in an unforgettable performance).

            Goes to show that if you've spent your life bullying and alienating people, you just might die all alone.

            It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

            by karmsy on Tue Feb 21, 2012 at 12:09:47 PM PST

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  •  Read the nutjob comments in the New Times story (2+ / 0-)
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    Seriously. Even for crackpot Teahadists, this some thin gruel.
    Here's onecomment from the New Times story from someone named "Jesus Cristo de Nogales":

    The only reason the new times rag took up this story is because they were afraid the the net illegal Mexican occupiers in the US would be decreased by one. Help end the illegal Mexican occupation of the United States of America. Vote for candidates that support deportation and not pathway to citizenship. It is the only way to prevent the total destructiom of the US.
    Here's another by "Citizen", with some serious projection issues:
    What if a professional executive woman had dated a man for a little while and then ended the relationship? Then the man initiates a campaign of cyber-stalking? The man steals passwords to the woman's social media and professional websites. He posts damaging comments on public sites using the woman's identity. He doesn't stop, he keeps cyber-stalking the woman. What would be the story then, Monica? Why isn't that the story now? Who is in the right and who is in the wrong in this situation? What is not clear about that?
    Got it? You see "Jose" is the real stalker. Fine, if that's what you believe, but do you seriously expect us to swallow that tripe. Really. If the chief LEO in Pinal County is being blackmailed/cyber-stalked, then why wouldn't they report that to other members of the law enforcement community? It's not like they have text messages. Oh wait, the Sherif sent those to "Jose" as well as semi-nude and nude photos of his genitals.
  •  Did Babeu...try to lay McCain (0+ / 0-)

    during the filming of that ad at the border?

    "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis, 1935 --Talk of foresight--

    by tuma on Tue Feb 21, 2012 at 10:49:45 AM PST

  •  he also pals around with white supremicists (0+ / 0-)

    I just read. He's a real peach.

  •  Babeu is a poseur (3+ / 0-)
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    As has been pointed out numerous times here on DK, THink Progress, TPM, etc. that Pinal County is, at its closest, at least 70 miles away from the Mexican border. Me thinks he interjected himself into the xenophobia to make a name for himself.

    •  yup you have to go through my back yard to get to (3+ / 0-)
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      Pinal county...Pima is the major border county affected, the most border miles of any county in the country at least southern border...Now, the Vekol Valley in Pinal is a real problem....so is the Altar Valley where I live yet you don't see our sheriff crying....Ours, Dupnik, is a liberal who opposed 1070 and all of the subsequent and most of the prior bs......

      Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
      I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
      Emiliano Zapata

      by buddabelly on Tue Feb 21, 2012 at 11:34:22 AM PST

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  •  Babeu (1+ / 0-)
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    Blue Boy Red State

    His sister isn't the only one in the family who is mentally ill.

    •  Mentally ill does not equal (1+ / 0-)
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      BoiseBlue

      cruel hypocritical  bigot.

      © grover


      So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

      by grover on Tue Feb 21, 2012 at 11:30:29 AM PST

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  •  Typical Republican. (0+ / 0-)

    Rules, including the personal behavior restrictions right wingers like him want others to heed, are indeed for others, not him.

    Does he even have a sister?

    "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

    by happy camper on Tue Feb 21, 2012 at 11:21:25 AM PST

  •  Did you catch that? (0+ / 0-)

    Babeu's CAMPAIGN MANAGER tried to blame those comments on Babeu's sister.  This is a nasty story about a nasty lovers quarrel between 2 apparently nasty people.  In other words, not a story..
    Its also a story that should be of concern only to voters in Babeu's district.  

  •  My only question for the lover is (0+ / 0-)

    What did you see in this emotionally abusive asshat?

    Really.

  •  What a peach of a guy (0+ / 0-)

    Threatens to deport his gay lover; blames his mentally ill sister for things she didn't do.  Clearly, the guy doesn't hesitate to do scummy things.

  •  Freedom... (0+ / 0-)

    You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

  •  He needs to resign, (0+ / 0-)

    quit the race and lie low for a while. He can probably avoid too much further public humiliation if he does this.

    Otherwise, as the saying goes, "you ain't seen nothin' yet."

  •  now Tom Horne, AZ att'y general is investigating (0+ / 0-)

    Babeu's  ex at the request of Babeu...sooo, our friggin' state dollars are being used for this...and we all know how reliably objective att'y general  Tom Horne is when it comes to Latinos.

    tom horne is the ex state superintendent of schools who cut Tucson's TUSD Mexican -American studies program  ON HIS LAST DAY in that office. I'm sure tom will never decide anything in Jose Orozco's favor.....

  •  plus, he HIRED the guy to do his websites (0+ / 0-)

    i mean Orozco had all the passwords , etc. because he managed Babeu's campaign websites, so i don't see how they can say he stole them...plus he can comment on other news sites to his heart's content ..that's a jilted lover and that's what you get for mixing business with intimate relationships.
    that just isn't in the sheriff's  control...though methinks the sheriff see's no limits to his 'right' to control...

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