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The work Limbaugh did to interfere in the 2008 primaries was not a Limbaugh operation, it was probably a Rove/GOP operation. Rove was still in the White House coordinating GOP political operations through the think tanks that feed the talk radio megaphone every day.

Limbaugh is merely the point man and gets first dibs. He can decide to take credit of blame someone else if things go wrong. He may even have pissed Rove off for claiming credit. The whole thing may have gone unnoticed by the Left and the MSM if he hadn't claimed credit.

The actual voting was likely done by what are now commonly called teabaggers, but have always been the talk radio base, or 'dittoheads'. If Rove hadn't lost the White House they may never have been given bus passes by Dick Armey and the Kochs and might still have been working their invisible magic from the Limbaugh closet.

Regardless of what the real effects of interfering in primaries like this are THERE IS NO WAY TO KNOW because there is no written record to study. There is no record of how many national and local right wing talkers were encouraging interference voting and for how long and in how many races.

How long did it take before Limbaugh's efforts were noticed? My memory is lousy on this but it seems Limbaugh was encouraging interference in a number of states. The local and national talkers follow his lead and probably even got talking points from the think tanks to help coordinate. There were probably paid callers to grease the topic and 'get out the vote'.

I think I remember yelling at the talking heads that were ignoring or downplaying the interference while it was happening. It may have helped Hillary in a number of states. Whether or not the effect was positive or negative in the long run for Dems can be debated but Kos is right to suggest playing the same game. It is a problem in elections and a problem for Dems if the GOP can interfere to sabotage them. And they can do it more easily because they have their dittohead/teabagger army ready to obey aural orders.

How many primaries will the GOP interfere in to help progressive candidates lose to blue dogs? And then the Left blames something or somebody else.

Doing it back to them is one way to draw attention to the problem and hopefully find a fix for it.

That the Democratic Party or some mighty Left organization has not provided a searchable database of what the main (and coordinated) national and local right wing radio talkers are repeating over and over and over continues to be a 20 year long crying shame. Analyzing in a talk radio vacuum and playing political catch-up all the time is a monumental political blunder that will continue to waste countless volunteer hours and small donations. Especially with Citizens United and global warming coming on. The right's most important weapon will once again be practically invisible to those who read and watch- until they can read and watch the effects.

This is another perfect example of how ignoring the radio is such a huge mistake.

PS On the same topic..... Just heard, in defending Santorum from Sen Alan Simpson's criticism, Limbaugh points out Simpson didn't pronounce 'bestiality' correctly even though Simpson should know about sex with animals- since he comes from Wyoming).

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  •  Tip Jar (1+ / 0-)
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    mightymouse

    This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and partisan lying by broadcasting sports on Limbaugh radio stations.

    by certainot on Thu Feb 23, 2012 at 10:16:53 AM PST

  •  good luck getting Dems to coordinate like that (1+ / 0-)
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    we're like herding cats ya know.

    their side can do some things we can't because of the very nature of their ideology.

    we have the opposite problem.  we think for ourselves, come to our conclusions and don't fall in line, just because.

    -You want to change the system, run for office.

    by Deep Texan on Thu Feb 23, 2012 at 10:34:26 AM PST

  •  At least this is a different argument than usual (2+ / 0-)
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    But it boils down to "We don't know what the consequences of such an action are, but we should do it because our enemies are doing it."

    We may not know what the consequences are, but we know what they aren't: a win for the team that tried it.

    •  they wanted to run against hillary- they had almos (0+ / 0-)

      almost 20 years of swiftboating and distorting the clintons already in place. they were (then) nervous and reluctant to go all out racist on obama.

      if they had more open primary states they might have had what they wanted.

      what it boils down to is, and what my point is-  is how do we know what the consequences really were?

      yeah obama won, and bush was pres for 8 yrs before that, and clinton was hamstrung for 8 yrs before that, and the GOP is still strong enough to obstruct almost everything we need to do. then the idealists stayed home in 2010. and we still have a major party that can't recognize global warming, largely because of talk radio keeping them in line, and wants to enslave women. we still haven't won much at all.

      This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and partisan lying by broadcasting sports on Limbaugh radio stations.

      by certainot on Thu Feb 23, 2012 at 10:50:59 AM PST

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      •  Was that the plan? (0+ / 0-)

        I thought Limbaugh's whole objective there was just to stretch out the primary as long as possible.  He actually suspended the "operation" at one point when it appeared Clinton was catching up with Obama.  

        •  how do we know why he suspended? (0+ / 0-)

          limbaugh says it'll be good to stretch out their primary as long as possible because it will make them stronger. his reluctance to get behind mccain was largely why they had to go with palin- to make him happy and give him an excuse to get on board on the eve of their convention. palin was announced minutes before his friday show started and that's what happened. without him the convention would have been a disaster. besides palin, what would he be able to extract- a swiss bank account?

           his support or non support in these primaries is a major factor but largely escapes MSM analysis. it could probably be graphed to correlate strongly with the up and down results. certainly his lack of endorsement is keeping romney down- but who's he working for and willl he pull a 'palin' at the last minute again.? he can rationalize anything so he could come around fo rromney in the end. it's amazing, he's the most important factor in this, destroying the party essentially because htey've given him so much power, but there's no regular analysis of what he's saying except to point out he's a racist, liar, sexist, etc. it's ridiculous- there's no way to analyze that situation then, or now, without regular analysis of his transcripts and how the other mirror him.

          This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and partisan lying by broadcasting sports on Limbaugh radio stations.

          by certainot on Thu Feb 23, 2012 at 05:49:39 PM PST

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          •  Huh? (0+ / 0-)
            limbaugh says it'll be good to stretch out their primary as long as possible because it will make them stronger.
            No, I think what he had in mind was that stretching out the primary as long as possible would create the most division between two important Democratic party base factions -- blacks and women.  And the chaos he had in mind, ideally, would be a deadlocked Democratic Convention with colorful floor fights and a severely weakened nominee.  That was the whole idea behind "Operation Chaos".  

            As for Limbaugh's influence over the Republican nomination, I have no comment other than to say that he's always seemed to think he has a lot more influence over it than he actually does.

            •  i was referring to their 2012 primary relative to (0+ / 0-)

              the value of stretching out primaries.

              No, I think what he had in mind was that stretching out the primary as long as possible would create the most division between two important Democratic party base factions -- blacks and women.  And the chaos he had in mind, ideally, would be a deadlocked Democratic Convention with colorful floor fights and a severely weakened nominee.  That was the whole idea behind "Operation Chaos".
              yes, i can see that as the ultimate goal, although i wouldn't ascribe that strategy to limbaugh- his personal motivations are always going to be more... personal. he would have loved to spend the rest of the election season sniping at the clintons and women and using all the old material instead of trying to be 'subtle' with his racism.
              As for Limbaugh's influence over the Republican nomination, I have no comment other than to say that he's always seemed to think he has a lot more influence over it than he actually does.
              his influence is huge and worth billions (trillions when counting radio importance in selling 'wars' and deregulation and the bushes) and he knows it. the end result is unpredictable, like all politics. he probably singlehandedly kept cain in the front until even he couldn't save him. if he goes all out to bring down a particular candidate he could do it in  most cases. but his influence can't be measured in a campaign season. every issue being discussed has been poisoned and distorted by years of misinformation he has been paramount in disseminating. most of their candidates are diddling around the edges of that alternate reality only the radio could create. romney is bound by its social and environmental lunacy but empowered by the 'free market' economic/tax myths it has been instrumental in selling nationally. gingrich, bachmann, palin, santorum, bush, perry owe their political careers and 'relevancy' to team limbaugh and that alternate reality talk radio created. cain rode it. and paul is navigating.

              This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and partisan lying by broadcasting sports on Limbaugh radio stations.

              by certainot on Fri Feb 24, 2012 at 07:07:21 AM PST

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  •  So much for "facts": (0+ / 0-)
    The work Limbaugh did to interfere in the 2008 primaries was not a Limbaugh operation, it was probably a Rove/GOP operation.
    Limbaugh ... may even have pissed Rove off for claiming credit. The whole thing may have gone unnoticed by the Left and the MSM if he hadn't claimed credit.
    The actual voting was likely done by what are now commonly called teabaggers, but have always been the talk radio base, or 'dittoheads'. If Rove hadn't lost the White House they may never have been given bus passes by Dick Armey and the Kochs and might still have been working their invisible magic from the Limbaugh closet.
    etc.  (sigh)

    "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the universe." -- Albert Einstein

    by Neuroptimalian on Thu Feb 23, 2012 at 12:45:56 PM PST

    •  you needed certainty. so you would have believed (0+ / 0-)

      me if i was certain?

      i added that 'probably' in the editing because i am not certain- he might have been working for someone else on that but in general he was very well coordinated with the white house but for instance went astray not getting behind mccain until they added palin for him. and then he went even more independent.

      part of my point is there's no way to know because there's no way to corroborate with the radio gods what's really happening. a sad state of affairs.

      This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and partisan lying by broadcasting sports on Limbaugh radio stations.

      by certainot on Thu Feb 23, 2012 at 05:36:45 PM PST

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