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Apparently kossacks are united in their opposition to Operation Hilarity. I'm here to say that some of us think it's a good idea and about bloody time to take the fight back. Why?

1. Airing their lunacy will neuter it. This primary fight is dragging the fundamentalist crazies into the limelight, exposing their actual views and policies – for so long hidden behind the scenes. They've finally managed to force their way onto our screens and are airing their laundry list of regressive desires – putting women back in the bedroom and kitchen, shuttering gays, xenophobic racism – right out in public. This. Is. Fantastic.

Mainstream republicans have been ignorant of the fundamentalist character for too long. Now they are being forced to watch the truth come out in undeniable bloody color on national TV, YouTube, blogs, and social media. They're disgusted and it's generating a big pushback. The more it's aired, the more they'll push back.

The longer Santorum is viable, the stronger the reaction will get.

Some people think it's better to keep this stuff hidden, that it's too strong for voters to hear about, that it might poison the debate. Hogwash. It's truth, it needs to be set free, and when it's set free, the people will see it and wish they could look away.

2. Rick Santorum will never get elected president. This is a country that was founded on the separation of church and state. The US will never elect a truly theocratic president. What are you, afraid of armageddon?

3. It's OK to do scary things. People go rock climbing. You might be afraid of heights, but you trust the ropes. People start new careers. You might not succeed, but you never know until you try. People join the military. You might be worried about being killed, but you trust your comrades.

We're wired to fear what we don't know, but over time we've developed the rational ability to overcome our anxieties and do something "outside of the comfort zone". Voting for Santorum is outside the comfort zone, but it's the rational thing to do.

So, if you're in Michigan, go outside your zone and do the rational thing. Vote for Santorum in the primary!

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  •  enabling fascists is never a good idea (7+ / 0-)

    Armageddon would be a piece of cake next to fascism.

    legitimizing fascists is the worst thing we could do at this point.

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    by BlueDragon on Fri Feb 24, 2012 at 07:56:44 AM PST

    •  good thing we're not doing that then (3+ / 0-)
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      duha, ybruti, sbwoodside

      voting in another party's primary to get an easier-to-beat candidate is not "enabling fascists." That's much more than a stretch to say!

      •  Maybe not, but it's dangerously close (5+ / 0-)
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        allergywoman, rlk, lina, Unit Zero, hardhatmama

        Obama may be ahead in all polls...but IMO it's by uncomfortably small numbers. I dont think we should ever underestimate the strength of the trailer trash vote that will go overwhelmingly to "anyone but Obama".

        If that anyone wins, damn sure I'd rather have a corporate stooge doing business as usual than a bible humping fanatic like Mr Frothy. Particularly since that corporate stooge is well known for swinging in the breeze, as actually a fairly effective governor of a liberal state, and that bible humper is well known for trying to actually accomplish his medieval fuckfacery.

        Hedging our bets, y'all. Defeat in november is more likely than I'm comfortable with.

        Left Coast Libertarian

        by pacspeed on Fri Feb 24, 2012 at 08:11:23 AM PST

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        •  Santorum won't win (2+ / 0-)
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          GRLionsFan, sbwoodside

          No chance, the current polling is a result of the bounce he is getting from all the media exposure, same as Bachman and Cain and Perry and Gingrich got. Even Republican leaders know this which is why they are frantic to prop up Romney.

          •  They said that about Reagan, Bush... (1+ / 0-)
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            Unit Zero

            Just sayin'!

            •  No THEY didn't (2+ / 0-)
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              sbwoodside, brae70

              no one well informed ever thought people who had twice been elected governor of one of the largest states could "not" be elected. No one within the repub party ever feared that if one of them got the nomination that they would "lose 35 states." Let's drop this please, Santorum can't win the GE, Reagan was in contention throughout 1980 and Bush was always considered a moderate before he was elected.

              •  Anything can happen in any given election (0+ / 0-)

                There's no such thing as "can't be elected".  It may appear unlikely in the extreme, but that doesn't mean impossible.  As soon as the silly season is over, whoever's nominated is going to run to the center, and people who aren't paying attention now will get their first glimpse of the candidate.  If Santorum manages to repackage himself as something other than a cultural warrior, and the economy tanks or some other nasty happens, matters might look very different in November.

                Someone who's too scary to be president shouldn't be someone anyone supports even tactically.

          •  This is factually untrue. This is an important (0+ / 0-)

            point.

            Santorum PROBABLY won't win.

            But there's still a nonzero probability.

            What if something goes terribly terribly wrong and convinces the nation to oppose Obama?

            What if there's an ill-timed uprising in Iraq, and we have our embassy staff taken hostage Iran style? Not saying that's likely, but what I'm saying is, something could go horribly wrong. Something can ALWAYS go horribly wrong. This has happened in elections before.

            An Fhirinn an aghaidh an t'Saoghail.

            by OllieGarkey on Fri Feb 24, 2012 at 10:18:27 AM PST

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            •  What if the armageddon comes? (1+ / 0-)
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              Davidsfr

              ... it's a nonzero probability.

              Let's not be paralyzed by fear.

              •  Thank you! (1+ / 0-)
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                sbwoodside

                We don't go running around with our hands over our heads because we might get hit by a meteor or struck by lightning, do we?

                Do we walk gingerly every step when we are outdoors because a sink hole could suddenly appear and swallow us up?

                Even if there is a hostage taking at an embassy or an uprising in Iraq, SANTORUM STILL CAN'T WIN! He is the McGovern/Goldwater of 2012. BTW, Carter could have won reelection simply be raiding the embassy in Iran regardless if whether the hostage survived or not. The immediate result of the hostage taking was for Carter's approval rating to spike over 20 points.

              •  but Obama losing face is much more likely (0+ / 0-)

                The election is about Obama.   If he loses, then the GOP candidate wins.  The identify of the GOP candidate will not alter that.

                Considering the Citizens United decision, it seems likely Obama will be on the receiving end of a media smear campaign of unprecedented proportions.  If this costs him the election, I'd much rather see Romney in the oval office than Santorum.

                •  Stop acting out of fear (0+ / 0-)

                  one, Obama will also have enormous financial resources to use. Two, he is such a well-known entity attack ads will have a limited impact. Three, Citizens United hasn't affected elections nearly as much as people here seem to think; although I would like to see it reversed, it didn't keep two Wisconsin State Senators, a Michigan US representative, and an Arizona state senator from being recalled last year. It also didn't stop a slew of referendums from going against the right-wing interests (the union busting law in Ohio being the most prominent).

                  And how much better will Romney be anyway, based on what he has said during the primary campaign?

                  •  not fear, common sense (1+ / 0-)
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                    pacspeed

                    Romney's record as governor shows him as a moderate.  If he is elected, he will govern in a moderate way.

                    Santorum, unlike Romney, believes the right wing talking points.  If elected, he will govern accordingly.

                    Has Romney said many of the same crazy things as Santorum lately?  Sure.  He is trying to grab some of the crazy support of the GOP.  It doesn't mean he believes any of it.

                    I am completely baffled w.r.t. why you believe Santorum can't become President, should he secure the nomination. The electorate can not be relied on to reject such a candidate.  I would think that you'd be aware of that, if you have any memory at all of the 2000 presidential election.  Gore's only real fault was that he has a boring image.  Also, Gore was part of an administration that had done a pretty darned good job.  W's faults were many, and they were well known to us lefties before the election.  We did our best to publicize them.   Didn't matter.  W still won the electoral college, and he was within 1 or 2 percent of the popular vote.

                    Support Santorum if you like, but you are playing with fire.

    •  not legitimizing (1+ / 0-)
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      GRLionsFan

      Putting someone in the public eye is not legitimizing. If that were true, then shows like My Strange Addiction would be in big trouble.

  •  I agree (3+ / 0-)
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    Davidsfr, sbwoodside, GRLionsFan

    I believe if Santorum were the GOP nominee, he would have no shot.

    Every election comes down to the independents. The staunch Democrats will always vote D. The staunch Republicans will always vote R. The deciding group will be the people in the middle - the moderates and independents. An extreme candidate will not appeal to that crucial group.

    In fact, I believe an extreme candidate such as Santorum will energize the Democrats, we'll have massive turnout, and the down-ticket races will give us a chance to take back the house and secure the senate.

    If I lived in Michigan, I might even join Santorum's campaign for the primary!

    "Every Pootie is a masterpiece." - Da Vinci

    by mdsiamese on Fri Feb 24, 2012 at 08:21:46 AM PST

  •  As soon as I read the title to this (3+ / 0-)
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    Davidsfr, GRLionsFan, sbwoodside

    I knew (well actually was sincerely hoping) that this was a reference to making sure the republican candidate was least likely to win. Love the post.

  •  Disagreed, especially with point 1. (2+ / 0-)
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    Unit Zero, hardhatmama

    Airing their lunacy has only served to mainstream it over the past thirty-plus years.

  •  BTW we on this site are not "united" (4+ / 0-)
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    sbwoodside, GRLionsFan, JayRaye, Unit Zero

    in opposing Operation Hilarity, there are many of us who either support it or just don't think it is worth getting upset about.

  •  Are you fucking kidding me? (4+ / 0-)
    1. Airing their lunacy will neuter it. This primary fight is dragging the fundamentalist crazies into the limelight, exposing their actual views and policies – for so long hidden behind the scenes. They've finally managed to force their way onto our screens and are airing their laundry list of regressive desires – putting women back in the bedroom and kitchen, shuttering gays, xenophobic racism – right out in public. This. Is. Fantastic.
    They're airing their dirty laundry all by themselves. And it's not so fantastic when you're not straight and live in the south. When that lunacy gets these people riled up, hate crimes increase.

    Rick Santorum being the candidate will kill people. This is shit that you DO NOT want stirred up if you care about human life.

    2. Rick Santorum will never get elected president. This is a country that was founded on the separation of church and state. The US will never elect a truly theocratic president. What are you, afraid of armageddon?
    Rick Santorum, Mathematically, will have a nonzero chance of being elected president.

    If there is a complete fucking disaster that explodes all over Obama during the campaign, yes, Rick Santorum could end up being President, and I do not trust the country that elected GW Bush twice not to elect Mr. Frothy.

    Tactical voting like this actually has caused total fucking disaster for Political parties.

    A tactic similar to this one by the SNP was what got Maggie Thatcher elected in the UK. "Scots will never vote conservative!" Enter Thatcher.

    Don't say it can't happen, because it can.

    3. It's OK to do scary things. People go rock climbing. You might be afraid of heights, but you trust the ropes. People start new careers. You might not succeed, but you never know until you try. People join the military. You might be worried about being killed, but you trust your comrades.
    THIS IS NOT ABOUT MY FUCKING COMFORT ZONE.

    This is about my lesbian, gay, bi, and trans friends in the south who didn't fucking volunteer to be YOUR political pawn in a dangerous game!

    Every single day my trans friends have to worry about being beaten to death for the awful crime using the fucking toilet. And you want to give a bigot a platform so he can spew his hatred?

    It's really fucking arrogant for you to sit there safe and sound and demand that OTHER PEOPLE have their lives put in danger for the sake of your fucking politics.

    Now I'm sorry for the vitriol. I don't know you. You're probably an awesome Kossack. But this chorus of "What's the worse that could happen, lol" is pissing me the fuck off.

    An Fhirinn an aghaidh an t'Saoghail.

    by OllieGarkey on Fri Feb 24, 2012 at 08:53:38 AM PST

    •  I am not fucking kidding you (0+ / 0-)

      The US is a fucked up country. That is a fact.

      •  That's all you have to say? (3+ / 0-)
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        BoiseBlue, Unit Zero, joanneleon

        That's the entirety of your rebuttal?

        "Shit's fucked up, man."

        That's it?

        An Fhirinn an aghaidh an t'Saoghail.

        by OllieGarkey on Fri Feb 24, 2012 at 09:48:45 AM PST

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        •  Yes (0+ / 0-)

          Would you rather that I attack your closely personally held fears? Doesn't seem to be a productive discussion, or likely to end well.

          In this country, gays, blacks, atheists, trans, etc. etc. are all at risk right now, today, and have been forever. It sounds to me like you're arguing that we should avoid conflict because it could have admittedly scary repercussions. Whether that is true or not, I don't know.

          What I do know, is that if we don't use the tools available to us, the nuts will continue to slowly and steadily gain ground. If we pick up the tools, we can expose them and do them great damage.

    •  +4 - Never take it for granted (2+ / 0-)
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      OllieGarkey, BoiseBlue

      This is the only image of Santorum that shoould be pushed.

      Photobucket

      -6.25 -7.08 The glass is neither half-full nor half-empty. The glass is just twice as large as it needs to be. If you play Microsoft CD's backwards, you hear satanic things, but that's nothing, because if you play them forwards, they install Windows.

      by Unit Zero on Fri Feb 24, 2012 at 09:27:17 AM PST

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    •  "Santorum being the candidate will kill people" (1+ / 0-)
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      sbwoodside

      That's absurd! No one is going to go out and kill someone just because Santorum is the repub nominee, anyone who is inclined to do that will do it regardless.

      •  Santorum being the candidate (1+ / 0-)
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        OllieGarkey

        will allow him & his supporters to spew more of the racist/homophobic/misogynistic crap that inflames the seriously maladjusted amongst the right wing zealots.

        -6.25 -7.08 The glass is neither half-full nor half-empty. The glass is just twice as large as it needs to be. If you play Microsoft CD's backwards, you hear satanic things, but that's nothing, because if you play them forwards, they install Windows.

        by Unit Zero on Fri Feb 24, 2012 at 10:10:59 AM PST

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      •  Actually, there have been a TON of statistics (0+ / 0-)

        dropped showing that hate crimes INCREASE when gay issues are discussed by republicans.

        What are the democrats going to HAVE to talk about? Marriage Equality and Gay Rights.

        What is the response from Santorum going to be? Bigotry.

        This is not absurd.

        When republicans campaign legislate the gay away, LGBTs die.

        That's a fucking fact. If you'd interacted with a gay community in the rural south, you'd know that.

        You just don't want to believe that this is a fact because it's politically inconvenient to your perspective.

        An Fhirinn an aghaidh an t'Saoghail.

        by OllieGarkey on Fri Feb 24, 2012 at 10:11:34 AM PST

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  •  I encourage everyone here who supports OH (0+ / 0-)

    to go and vote for Santorum.

    All seven of your votes are going to be epic.

    P.S. I am not a crackpot.

    by BoiseBlue on Fri Feb 24, 2012 at 10:38:57 AM PST

    •  At least we understand what we are up against (0+ / 0-)

      and there are a lot more than seven of us, BTW, but rather than engage in unhinged emotional manipulation, we know that some unpleasant and even ugly actions have to be taken to save the nation from those who seek to impose an extremist theocratic autocracy upon us.

      •  Oh, sure there are. (1+ / 0-)
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        OllieGarkey

        There are a lot more than seven of you. You're going to make all the difference in the world, and you're brave, brave soldiers.

        I mean, really.....

        P.S. I am not a crackpot.

        by BoiseBlue on Fri Feb 24, 2012 at 11:03:13 AM PST

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