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The Archbishop of Philadelphia had some interesting comments to make about the success of their plan to keep many of the catholic schools open in Philadelphia.  

I was watching tv last Friday afternoon when the news broke into the afternoons programming... you know that breaking news headline  that makes you hold your breath.  Well, something did happen.  The Archbishop of Philadelphia came on to make an announcement about their decision regarding the potential closing on several schools.  The Archbishop announced that the 4 high schools would remain open because on many response of thousands of donations and the increase in tax credits, opportunity scholarships and EITC (whatever that is) funds and scholarships.  Ok I thought I'm not in favor of using public money for private schools or projects but what could I do.  So I listen to the rest of the broadcast and I almost fall over.  Instead of thanking the government and politicians for their help in getting funds to keep the schools open he says they want more money and they want it right away, and if anyone does not support them in this endeavor that they will not support those people.  In other words give us what we want or else.  Really.....thats what you say.  

Well, let me say something.  First religious school of any kind should not get public money.  No one forced you to build a school expressly for the purpose of religious teachings so pay for it yourself.  Charge higher tuition.  Second, if you want money from the public coffers then put money into the public coffers.  In the middle ages the church negotiated a no taxes policy on the church with the kings and things have been that way eversince.  NO taxes on property or income.  Well the middle ages were over a long time ago so the agreement has outlived its time. Also, the church which still does not pay taxes does receive services such as police, fire and garbage pick-up so they are already getting money spent on them from the public coffers.  They are already ahead of the game.  

I've do not like this policy of public money going to religious or private concerns but now I'm looking at it as part of a larger agenda of the conservatives of shift wealth from the poor to the rich.  I'm not saying that all of the people who go to catholic schools are rich but I would make a wager that many of them are not really poor.  Also it perpetuates segregation.  I was a product of catholic elementary school K-8 and the reason for our going there was that the closest public school was also one of the oldest and my parents wanted us going to a "newer" school not necessarily a catholic school and I can't help but feel that many parents feel that way now.  The public schools are in disrepair and why send their children to a public school.   Well, if we had done the right thing for the past 30 years and spend the money on the schools instead of constantly cutting money to try and reach the phony goal of balancing budgets maybe things would be better.  Maybe, if we hadn't spent the last 20 years sending our jobs overseas the communities that these schools are part of would look like communities that have achieved the American dream instead of the American nightmare.  

So Archbishop be grateful for the money you have received  instead of threatening people into giving you more money. Remember you haven't given to the state for about 1200-1500 years and be happy we don't ask for retroactive collection of taxes.


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  •  For a set of (3+ / 0-)
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    agnostic, Sanuk, ontheleftcoast

    people who are supposed to be (among other things) humble, I am finding it appalling how the leaders of the Catholic church have been acting as of late.

    It is almost like they think if they yell at others about how sinful, bigoted and cheap we are; we will forget what it is they have been doing in their own house.

    Just incredible.

    •  Not just "of late" (1+ / 0-)
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      Someone posted a diary about the Pope Paul VI and the question of contraception. A whole group of laymen, religious leaders, etc. got together for months and debated the question. In the end they decided that no, contraception was not "inheritently evil". So what did the Pope do? Ignored them and issued an encyclical that in fact contraception was akin to murder. End of story.

      The upper ranks (and an archbishop is the upper ranks) of the Catholic church have been arrogant assholes for a very, very long time.

      "What profit a man, if he gain the world, but has to pay taxes on it?" Paul 8:36

      From the Gospel of St. Ron Paul in the Teachings and Misunderstandings of the Words of Adam Smith

      by ontheleftcoast on Mon Feb 27, 2012 at 05:31:10 PM PST

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    •  SilverW - only certain orders of priests and monks (0+ / 0-)

      take vows of humility and poverty. That is not the case with most Catholic priests. Such vows are not required.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Mon Feb 27, 2012 at 08:50:44 PM PST

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  •  The "no tax on churches" rulings were supposed (5+ / 0-)

    to keep the government from having undue influence over the church. The king didn't like what you said at mass last week? Why your property taxes went up 100% Surprise!

    But apparently some churches have decided it's OK for the attack to come from the other direction. George Carlin said it, "If the church wants to be involved in politics, let 'em pay the fucking admission fee. Tax the fuckers!"

    "What profit a man, if he gain the world, but has to pay taxes on it?" Paul 8:36

    From the Gospel of St. Ron Paul in the Teachings and Misunderstandings of the Words of Adam Smith

    by ontheleftcoast on Mon Feb 27, 2012 at 05:19:52 PM PST

  •  Might want to fix your title (4+ / 0-)

    ... extortion.

    Free: The Authoritarians - all about those who follow strong leaders.

    by kbman on Mon Feb 27, 2012 at 05:32:55 PM PST

  •  f*ck those xians. you wanna play? you gotta play. (0+ / 0-)
  •  Not the time or place, but heck (1+ / 0-)
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    home solar

    Is it just me, or does Pope Benedict look an awful lot like Emperor Palpatine?

    I know which side I am on: the one that does the math.

    by Grassroots Mom on Mon Feb 27, 2012 at 06:05:26 PM PST

  •  i'm reluctant to be so absolutist about this (1+ / 0-)
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    i'm somewhat biased as, in a former life, a little more than 10 years ago, i was the director of a small concert series that presented and headquartered in a church.  funding for this small non-profit was already scarce and i hate to think of what would happen if it were to lose that funding from the california arts council or the hotel tax fund or any of the several other government entities who doled out in small amounts for a lot of work.  

    i don't know if the church itself was receiving any government funding-probably not as it wasn't running a school or other education wing-but they did do services (needle exchange, meals for homeless, etc.) that certainly deserved to be funded.  i'm just wondering if things like my concert program would be affected by a cutting off of government money to religious institutions.

    hope springs eternal and DAMN is she getting tired!

    by alguien on Mon Feb 27, 2012 at 06:20:08 PM PST

  •  Actually tradition for 1200 - 1500 years is NOT (1+ / 0-)
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    the reason churches (Catholic and other) are granted their 501(c)3 tax exemptions.

    In the interest of full disclosure:  I am NOT a Catholic, neither do I adhere to any other religion. However, for many years, I was employed to manage a 501(c)3 scientific and educational organization including the direction of its finances and tax liability.

    The theory behind the 501(c)3 exemption is that certain organizations perform a religious, educational and/or charitable function that benefits society as a whole and that this function could not be performed on a financially feasible basis by any organization required to produce a profit for its owners and pay taxes. Thus, a 501(c)3 exemption is granted in order to support the performance of the activities described by the organization in its application and to secure the benefits for society.

    There are certain constraints on a 501(c)3. None of its earnings my accrue to any individual or entity other than another 501(c)3, although it may pay for services and award grants consistent with its purpose. No 501(c)3 may advocate for or against any piece of legislation nor campaign for or against any candidate for office, although it may lobby an undefined insubstantial amount for educational purposes.

    One of the most misunderstood aspects of not-for-profit organizations is that they're not allowed to accumulate annual surpluses. In fact, in order to assure their continuation, most of them do.

    Aside from performing its exempt activities, a 501(c)3 may have income from unrelated business activities, such as renting out real estate it owns to commercial enterprises. In that case, the unrelated business income is fully taxable.

    Of all the NFP tax exemptions, the 501(c)3 is the only one that carries the privilege of collecting donations that are also tax deductible for the donor.

    Eliminate tax breaks that stimulate the offshoring of jobs.

    by RJDixon74135 on Mon Feb 27, 2012 at 07:12:04 PM PST

    •  That's it, I'm outta here. Anyone else that wants (0+ / 0-)

      to play can come to the BusyDome where for only US$4.99/month you can have all your religious needs attended to. Need a tearful funeral card missive? We've got you covered. Even if your Mom calls (extra fees may apply, long distance charges not included)

      Want to golf but Ms. made you come to her aunts funeral? Ask about our not dead but looking package. we can hook you up for an afternoon of lustgolf. (golf fees extra)

      Additional fees may apply depending on which parish you reside in. Discounts for Methodists and decline to state voters. Ask about our atheist package. Life time guarantee for members over 70.

  •  His name is Chaput, dont be diffuse or polite. (0+ / 0-)

    "Chief Outtatown" is Benedict's hatchet man and his temporary assignment in Philly is to oversee and deal with the biggest child abuse ring and trial in the U.S. That out of the way, he is on his way to Rome.  The 4 rescued high schools are borderline burb, mostly white and important to the RCC/GOP voting base. Nobody kept the inner city H.S.s open even though alumni associations pledged millions. Hispanics and black vote DEM - to hell with them.

    just because man invented God, does not mean that God does not exist

    by MikeMcShea on Tue Feb 28, 2012 at 06:22:27 AM PST

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