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and I recycle the used oil at the local auto parts. I am careful and do a minimum of impact to the environment, other than driving a fossil fuel device etc, etc.
   That said, I occasionally get a coupon that makes it a "wash" cost wise, so I let the good people at the local oil change place take care of the chore.
Then, I go to change my oil and I can't get the oil filter off because they have overtightened the damn thing to the point of me saying all kinds of things very loudly that are just not right. See the neighbors wince, kind of stuff.
   I can always get it off (screwdriver and a hammer when all else fails) because I have dealt with this dumbass move too many times, which is why I don't overtighten the oil filter. One can hand tighten an oil filter and it will do just fine. Take it off with two hands and a rag, depending on the angle, works just fine. My oil filter is easily accessed so angle isn't an issue. These guys are pros they should know that, so why all the torque?

That said, I realized I may be isolated in my frustration so I turn here.

I know this is a rant, not a diary, but it's got a poll!

Over the orange cloven hoofprint to vote, please.


How tight do you tighten the oil filter?

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  •  Tip Jar (14+ / 0-)

    Occupy- Your Mind. - No better friend, no worse enemy. -8.75, -6.21

    by Thousandwatts on Tue Feb 28, 2012 at 02:00:03 PM PST

  •  I take it in (9+ / 0-)

    because I now only have one hand and it's really just easier for me to let someone else do even though I did it myself for years and years, and taught my children how to do theirs.  If any of my kids lived close enough, I'd ask them to do it for me but their jobs have taken them away.

    All knowledge is worth having.

    by Noddy on Tue Feb 28, 2012 at 02:04:26 PM PST

  •  When I change my own (8+ / 0-)

    one half turn past snug by hand. Any more though I take it to a small local garage that can use the business, he does the same thing.

    Trade always exists for the traders. Any time you hear businessmen debating "which policy is better for America," don’t bend over. -George Carlin-

    by not4morewars on Tue Feb 28, 2012 at 02:07:24 PM PST

  •  Alas (6+ / 0-)

    I can't do it anymore ... mostly because I don't have a falt area to do any work.  Can't even change my own tire in the driveway.

    But they do tighten things way too much -- both the oil filter and the lug nuts.  However, they make up for it by forgetting to put the oil cap or the tire thingy cap back on.  Gotta give them credit where credit is due.

  •  Always used to change my own (back in the day) (10+ / 0-)

    and never had a problem. Once, when I went to one of those discount places, I knew right away that they screwed up, as oil began rhythmically shooshing out and my oil pressure light went on in my little red Toyota Tercel. I pulled over, shut off the engine, got a tow to the dealership, where the mechanic told me I had averted a major engine repair. Yeah, no kidding.

    Some drink deeply from the river of knowledge. Others only gargle. -- Woody Allen

    by cassandracarolina on Tue Feb 28, 2012 at 02:28:07 PM PST

  •  My husband changes the oil, and he says the (6+ / 0-)

    same thing. He took the car in and specifically told them not to change the oil because he had just done it, but the guy didn't write it down, and bingo it was changed again. At least the owner did the next repair for nothing to make up for it.

  •  teh hubban' sez... the oil-place guys aren't tight (6+ / 0-)

    ening it, the oil filter is built to tighten itself on over time (rather than loosen and fall off while you're driving). the heating and cooling cycle as you use the engine also contributes to tightening.

    there's something called a "filter wrench" that is designed specifically for getting oil filters off. standard tool, only a few dollars.

    "real" work : a job where you wash your hands BEFORE you use the bathroom...

    by chimene on Tue Feb 28, 2012 at 04:35:55 PM PST

    •  I appreciate teh hubban's opinion, looking (4+ / 0-)
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      for opinions is why I put this out there.
      I jus' know when I do it myself the oil filter doesn't tighten itself up nearly as tight as when I take it to those fellers.

      Yeah, I had to go digging around in the mess I call my tool box to find the filter wrench I bought to take off the filter on my mom's car when I changed her oil.
      I only need it when I change oil behind the "pros".  ;)

      Occupy- Your Mind. - No better friend, no worse enemy. -8.75, -6.21

      by Thousandwatts on Tue Feb 28, 2012 at 05:17:18 PM PST

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  •  I used to change my own (5+ / 0-)

    but I can't get under the Toyota, and I don't have a jack I trust that much.

    "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." - Goethe

    by jlynne on Tue Feb 28, 2012 at 04:43:00 PM PST

    •  I used to have ramps cut from a railroad tie, (6+ / 0-)

      so I didn't worry so much about the jacks, but I don't trust jacks at all, even with safety stands.  My first boyfriend's cousin died under a car when the jacks failed.

      Lost the ramps when I moved, so now the garage gets the work.  I'm just too scared.

      •  My car sits high enough no problem. I don't have (4+ / 0-)
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        to jack it up. When I was a teen, we pulled one front wheel on the curb and climbed under.
        I don't trust jacks either, I had a car slide off one time; had the front wheels off, landed on the brake discs.
        Scared the hell out of us.  

        Occupy- Your Mind. - No better friend, no worse enemy. -8.75, -6.21

        by Thousandwatts on Tue Feb 28, 2012 at 07:23:42 PM PST

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        •  I use those stamped steel ramps (6+ / 0-)

          and always block the rear wheels.  I need the room, to get the belly-plate off, because I always check the oil level in the little "angle-gear" gearbox that splits off the front drive from the rear drive.  Weakest link in a strong system, and it leaks a bit after 200k miles.  600 bucks to take it out and replace all the seals, so I just make sure it is always topped off with the special $40/liter synthetic gear oil.

          Yes, I've seen a car go off its jack, too, and I have a very vivid imagination that allows me to see all too clearly what would happen to me were I under there when it happened.

          don't always believe what you think

          by claude on Tue Feb 28, 2012 at 08:15:32 PM PST

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  •  Now that I have a car as new as a 2001 (5+ / 0-)

    I had to get a different wrench, as the filter has become all-paper, inside a permanent little filter can, like they were on my '53 Dodge Power Wagon.  The two older cars in the family fleet, a '90 and a '96 use the same spin-on filter that has been on all Volvos since the '60s.  Yes, the '96 960 uses the same filter as the  '63 122 Amazon.  The three cars have a combined mileage of around 670,000 miles and they are all still quite safe at 100mph.  I buy filters in 10-packs to save a few bucks.  The used oil gets saved in a 50 gal. barrel for various uses around the ranch.

    The ham-fists at the oil change place never touch my cars.  They always tighten the oil drain plug way too tight.  I have used the same Volvo-only independent shop since it opened 27 years ago for the major repairs, which are few and far between.

    Even though I can't do the same repair work I could on the older cars, the newer cars with computer engine control are simpler better machinery; more efficient, faster and more road-worthy.

    This community needs a Saturday Morning Auto Shop to complement the Garden and Home Repair shops.  People are, in general, woefully ignorant about automobiles.

    don't always believe what you think

    by claude on Tue Feb 28, 2012 at 07:49:11 PM PST

    •  When I was a teenager, my great uncle would (2+ / 0-)
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      let me drive his old work truck a 1959 Chevy Apache around the farm. It had a paper filter like what you describe.
      It also had an oil filled air filter iirc, strange deal sitting on top of the carb.

      Newer cars are a mixed blessing fo'sho'. More efficient and all kinds of innovations; but one is certainly limited in what repairs can be done by the shade tree mechanic.

      I would be interested in the Saturday Morning Auto repair idea-  I find that I know a lot more about car repair than I ever set out to. I work Saturdays and get my fix from Click and Clack on the way to work.

      I was a little surprised by the level of "half turn past snug by hand" votes in the poll; definitely got some "self-oil changers" at the Great Orange Satan.

      Occupy- Your Mind. - No better friend, no worse enemy. -8.75, -6.21

      by Thousandwatts on Tue Feb 28, 2012 at 09:42:27 PM PST

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    •  I had one of those too, later model, complete (1+ / 0-)
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      POS. Dual tanks held close to 100 gallons and you could go all of 500-700 miles. Of course filling it up was only about $30-40.

      my '53 Dodge Power Wagon

      "Double, double, toile and trouble; Fire burne, and Cauldron bubble... By the pricking of my Thumbes, Something wicked this way comes": Republicans Willkommen auf das Vierte Reich! Sie Angelegenheit nicht mehr.

      by Bluefin on Wed Feb 29, 2012 at 03:44:38 AM PST

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      •  Actually, it was the military version, (1+ / 0-)
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        known as an M-37, 3/4Ton  truck, cargo, 4x4. 6000 lbs of unstoppable metal. "3/4 Ton Ammo Carrier", as seen on MASH.

        Flathead 6 cyl 230 ci, 90 hp.  45 mph top speed.  3000rpm max.  These were the vehicles that created the "Power Wagon" legend that was then exploited unto death. These were a specialized tool and hardly a POS like the newer ones became.  But one had to know how to drive one.

        don't always believe what you think

        by claude on Wed Feb 29, 2012 at 06:25:18 AM PST

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        •  I knew that, just can't fail to rag on a Chrysler (1+ / 0-)
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          product. Chrysler and AMC were a merger made in hell, now with Fiat, BWAHAHAHA.

          "Double, double, toile and trouble; Fire burne, and Cauldron bubble... By the pricking of my Thumbes, Something wicked this way comes": Republicans Willkommen auf das Vierte Reich! Sie Angelegenheit nicht mehr.

          by Bluefin on Wed Feb 29, 2012 at 06:37:18 AM PST

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  •  Finally a diary with a poll... ;) (4+ / 0-)

    I have a 20 yr old 940 GL Volvo and I've let the guys at Valvoline change my oil, just once. They were really friendly and kind and damn if they didn't put an oil filter in that made my oil light come on.  Had to go home and take one from my emergency stockpile and change it.  It took me an hour to loosen the damn thing up...

    Don't know how common it is today (in other manufacturers) but I swear you can't kill a Volvo engine because of the "check value" in the oil filters.  It keeps the oil from draining back into the oil pan and you never get a "dry start".

    And how I knew the oil filter was wrong: when I turn the car on the oil light comes on and goes off very quickly, with their "premium" filter, the oil light stays on for at least 10 seconds...meaning the oil pump is priming the engine because there's no oil in it.

    As soon as I put the Volvo filter in and started the car, everything was "back to normal".

    Thanks for sharing these daily frustrations many of us have experienced.

    -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

    by gerrilea on Tue Feb 28, 2012 at 08:47:45 PM PST

    •  Wow, that is such a cool feature. (3+ / 0-)
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      I think if one car company took all those little innovations and combined them, it would be like the "best car ever".
      Really. I am amazed at the lack of shared innovation that would be pretty common sense. Not even as sophisticated as the oil filter "check value" to eliminate dry starts.
      I had a 1997 Honda Civic and was used to the features like the back seat folding forward to access the trunk for cargo storage, as well as the front seats lying back so one could sleep in the vehicle. (fish gotta swim)
      But years later, I had to have a vehicle, bought a '96 Infinity G-20, pretty much based on price and immediate need.
      No rear seat fold down, the front seats didn't lie back; I was truly surprised.
      Made me even further appreciate Honda innovation and customer  satisfaction. Infinity, not so much.

      Occupy- Your Mind. - No better friend, no worse enemy. -8.75, -6.21

      by Thousandwatts on Tue Feb 28, 2012 at 10:02:02 PM PST

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  •  ikw, 3 things i leave to the pros; (2+ / 0-)
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    Thousandwatts, BlackSheep1

    electrical, plumbing and anything car related, everything else gets my attention.

    plugged in an old metal cased rockwell drill when i was yound and it sent me halfway across the room. :-o

    nice diary, i can feel your frustration.

    There is a crime here that goes beyond denunciation. There is a sorrow here that weeping cannot symbolize. There is a failure here that topples all our success. Grapes of Wrath, John Steinbeck

    by dear occupant on Tue Feb 28, 2012 at 09:17:55 PM PST

  •  I usually do my own oil changes too, too many (1+ / 0-)
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    times it's been screwed up by the grease monkeys.
    Don't get me started: there are fittings on a 4WD vehicle they don't lube, had a transfer case wiring connector broke off, tire pressures set all over the scale, not enough quarts of oil in the engine (old Caddy 4.1 takes 6, not 5), one monkey scraped a screwdriver in his pocket on my classic car paint, etc., etc.
    Daughter had her practically new Toy 4Runner blow all the oil out the (loose-now missing) drain plug a few blocks away from driving off (and I found out that modern engines have sensors that protect from an engine meltdown due to that lack of oil, heh).
    Ex brought hers back from THE DEALER and was leaking prodigious amounts of oil in the garage floor from a simple oil change! It would have left her stranded in the morning.
    Got lots and lots more of these...

    Easier to DIY than forget to check the monkey work and have the problem escalate.

    "Double, double, toile and trouble; Fire burne, and Cauldron bubble... By the pricking of my Thumbes, Something wicked this way comes": Republicans Willkommen auf das Vierte Reich! Sie Angelegenheit nicht mehr.

    by Bluefin on Wed Feb 29, 2012 at 03:34:13 AM PST

    •  rAmen- preaching to the choir plus they value (1+ / 0-)
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      their labor much higher than I do mine.
      Changing oil and checking levels isn't really ASE certified level stuff, but they charge like it is.

      Must be the gold plated oil filters and such.

      Occupy- Your Mind. - No better friend, no worse enemy. -8.75, -6.21

      by Thousandwatts on Wed Feb 29, 2012 at 06:04:55 AM PST

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