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A diary to bring attention to the process through which Holocaust survivors (and other non-Mormons) end up being baptized after their deaths by the Mormon Church.

While the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the Mormon Church) tries to keep Holocaust survivors and the relatives of other non-Mormons from being baptized, it is very easy to submit a name for baptism:  

This excellent blog entry (http://mormonslides.com/...) provides step by step how a name is submitted for proxy baptism and shows pretty conclusively that a dead person doesn't even have to be a relative of a Mormon (the argued position) to be baptized after death.  

I really don't have much more to say on the matter since the blog entry is self explanatory with screen shots of each step.  The process is ripe for aversion (the blog shows how the paltry safeguards can be skirted) and it is easy to see how prominent celebrities and historical personalities can be baptized after their death by the Mormon Church.

Not a ton of content on my part but I certainly want to show off the blog post I linked to (not my blog).  Also the person who submitted the Holocaust survivor to show how the system works later removed the name.

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  •  I wonder if there is a sect somewhere which (1+ / 0-)
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    condemns certain of the the dead to Hell.  If so, I'd have to doubt its effectiveness.

  •  I was "baptized" Mormon while alive (but young.) (4+ / 0-)
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    Later, when I went to the University of Utah, I started ignoring it. That was 1965, and I'm still ignoring it.

    My total energy spent ignoring since then was between nothing and negligible.

    Nah, it was nothing.

    (On the other hand, maybe dead people have more spare time than we do, and can afford to fret over meaningless things like this.)

    There can be no protection locally if we're content to ignore the fact that there are no controls globally.

    by oldpotsmuggler on Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 06:49:43 PM PST

    •  for you to be associated with the Mormon Church... (0+ / 0-)

      is perfectly fine then.  You have the agency to say "I don't care" and make it publicly known.  It's different however if people who died for their beliefs or mainly because of their religious identity (such as the case of Holocaust victims) to be sullied by a religion after they died.  

      •  You're way over my head there. n/t. (0+ / 0-)

        There can be no protection locally if we're content to ignore the fact that there are no controls globally.

        by oldpotsmuggler on Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 07:59:27 PM PST

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        •  So if you're currently a member of the church... (0+ / 0-)

          You have the ability to either remain a member or to resign your relationship as well ask them the church to not contact you.  You have agency over your direct connection with the Church, excluding any family members who are church members and/or random interaction with church members.

          Now what agency does Anne Frank have in regards to the LDS Church?  She died during the Holocaust.  She was put up for proxy baptism and was proxy baptized at least nine times by LDS members.  She died because she was Jewish.  
          It should be evident that for anyone to suggest Anne Frank or any other victim of religious strife or religious warfare might change their religion should be slightly offensive.  Some might find it mighty offensives.  Others might not care at all.  

          My opinion is its slightly offensive.  I'm not in a total uproar about it, but I think that people can make their decisions about their spirituality in their lifetime.  Or if the soul lives on it can sort itself out in the afterlife.  Either way it shouldn't be up to other people to even suggest how people should live their lives.

          •  An updated version of this post below (0+ / 0-)

            If you're currently a member of the LDS Church you have the ability to either remain a member or resign your relationship with the Church.   As well you have the right to ask them the church to not contact you.  You have the choice to attend or not attend LDS services.  You have the choice to belief or not belief and to read or not read LDS scripture.  

            You have agency over your direct connection with the Church, excluding any family members who are church members and/or random interaction with church members.  Basically you have as much or as little contact with the LDS Church as you want, even if you were brought up in the LDS church until college.  

            Now what agency does Anne Frank have in regards to the LDS Church?  She died during the Holocaust.  She was put up for proxy baptism and was proxy baptized at least nine times by LDS members.  She died because she was Jewish and from all accounts she, like a lot of other people throughout history, had no contact or interest in Mormonism.  Now why would she want to join a church she'd never had any contact with?

            It should be evident that for anyone to suggest Anne Frank or any other victim of religious strife or religious warfare might change their religion should be slightly offensive.  Some might find it mighty offensives.  Others might not care at all.  

            My opinion is its slightly offensive.  I'm not in a total uproar about it, but I think that people can make their decisions about their spirituality in their lifetime.  Or if the soul lives on it can sort itself out in the afterlife.  Either way it shouldn't be up to other people to even suggest how people should live their lives.

          •  Mormons believe the LDS church (0+ / 0-)

            is the one true church, and that proxy baptisms "save" the unbaptized. That's why Mormons do all the genealogy work; to "save" the unbaptized dead.

            I believe the only meaning of those proxy baptisms is found in the minds of the Mormons who believe the LDS dogma and teachings of rituals. Other than whatever satisfaction Mormons get, I don't believe those baptisms have any effect whatsoever and I don't believe in black magic and voodoo dolls, either.

            For me, the irksome part has its foundation in the "one true church" dogma, whether LDS or other religious organization. As if any human construct has an edge on defining the undefinable. Certainly, that belief in "one true church" drives elitist, arrogant, offensive opinions and practices.

            The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little. -FDR

            by SoCalSal on Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 10:33:43 PM PST

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  •  So they could baptize my cat? (0+ / 0-)

    It seems from reading the "how to" blog that they could baptize my cat or anything else with a fictitious name.  i have it on good authority that my cat has no connection with the LDS church and when asked she said, "No, I'll pass on the dunk tank thing.  I really don't like baths you know."

    So count Pootie Tater out for now.  

    A bad idea isn't responsible for those who believe it. ---Stephen Cannell

    by YellerDog on Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 11:42:55 PM PST

  •  A different perspective....... (0+ / 0-)

    While those who upon discovering this practice are horrified...... as I was in the early 1990s when I worked at the University of Utah....  (moved from Los Angeles with my Jewish husband).... I, too, have come to ignore it.  

    LIke alot of things the Mormon church does - this is just plain dumb.  NOone can take away anyone's identity - without their permission.  

    I think embarrassing the the practice - holding it up to the sunshine and continually displaying it to the world for it's phoniness...  and humiliatingand ridiculing  the church - will probably bring it to end.  If they want to be part of the mainstream - they cannot act like extreme idiots.  

  •  I wonder what Dawkins would say on the issue? (0+ / 0-)

    The dude abides, now get off my lawn.

    by Boris49 on Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 07:58:12 AM PST

  •  What do you expect (0+ / 0-)

    from people who believe their magic underwear protects them from demons?

    "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

    by happy camper on Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 08:15:14 AM PST

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