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I have just finished watching "Game Change."  (OK, I can afford HBO.)

Julianne Moore's performance is outstanding.  It is not the parody of Tina Fey.  Everything you have read that you feel sorry for Palin is absolutely right.

So, what do you learn?  Maybe not a whole lot except two things.  

First, John McCain clearly did not put America First.  He made a horrible decision that was based on a desire to win.  Fortunately, his horrible decision did not come to pass.  However, that he is still respected by anyone at the national level should raise serious questions about his desire to put America First.  

See Charlie Pearce's review on this point.

Second, we learn why Steve Schmidt regularly appears on MSNBC.  He is doing penitence for creating Sarah Palin as a national figure worthy of leading our country.  Clearly, he informed this film and clearly he feels guilty about what he has done.  

It is clear he regrets what he has done.  It is unclear he should be forgiven for that realization.

Correction: I misspelled penitence in the original post.

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  •  Clearly, Sarah isn't done yet (4+ / 0-)
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    MoDem, Delilah, crystal eyes, on the cusp

    I expect her to reappear as VP.

  •  It reminded me of a certain fairy tale (15+ / 0-)

    Where the genie gets out of the bottle and then can not be controlled.

    Game Change is the story of how McCain unleashed extremism on the Republican Party.

    If cats could blog, they wouldn't

    by crystal eyes on Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 08:22:03 PM PST

  •  I enjoyed it overall (14+ / 0-)

    thought it was sort of a tragicomic farce.

    They maybe tried to make McCain look a little too good, I thought.

    In the sea, Biscayne, there prinks
    The young emerald evening star,
    Good light for drunkards, poets, widows,
    And ladies soon to be married.

    by looty on Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 08:22:08 PM PST

  •  Just finished watching Game Change on HBO (13+ / 0-)

    I was struck by how Sarah Palin would shut down when people were attempting to help her.  She was portrayed as being stubborn and uncooperative.  Had she sincerely wanted to succeed in this thing, I believe she would have tried harder to do so.  I did not feel sorry for her in the least.  The thing is, this could have been avoided has she been properly vetted.  I thought the movie was informative and interesting.  I agree, elbamash, that she isn't done just yet.

    There are few things more dreadful than dealing with a man who knows he is going under, in his own eyes, and in the eyes of others. Nothing can help that man. What is left of that man flees from what is left of human attention. James A. Baldwin

    by avamontez on Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 08:23:26 PM PST

  •  This is my view... (19+ / 0-)

    As if I didn't have enough politics this weekend after seeing President Obama in person last night at a fundraiser in Houston,  I watched Game Change tonight. Great movie.  I encourage people who have HBO to see it . Yeah yeah, I have HBO and paid to attend the fundraiser last night -- so sue me for being the chardonnay sipping liberal elite set...  I even had arugula with my chardonnay for dinner tonight (seriously).  If you don't have HBO, try to   read the book (I read it all in one night and it is 702 pages exactly). In my view, Nicole Wallace is the one who comes through it all with a prescient mind and an ethical conscience.  Steve Schmidt garnered a sense of the monster he let out of the box by the end, but in my view, Wallace is the true heroine of the show and the one person who played under McCain's banner who can claim to have put "country first."

    I vote Democratic because I am a woman with self-respect , who rejects bigotry of all kinds, subscribes to science, believes in universal health care, embraces unions, and endorses smart internationalist foreign policy.

    by Delilah on Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 08:26:35 PM PST

  •  Pertinence means having logical precise relevance (3+ / 0-)

    to a matter. I do believe the word you were looking for was "penitence" (the state of being penitent;  regret for one's wrongdoing or sinning; contrition; repentance.)

    Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people. -- Eleanor Roosevelt

    by hungrycoyote on Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 08:27:57 PM PST

  •  I thought it was a very good movie. (9+ / 0-)

    Sarah is a demogogue.

    I'm from the Elizabeth Warren and Darcy Burner Wing of the Democratic Party!

    by TomP on Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 08:28:40 PM PST

  •  I did not find her sympathetic at all. (17+ / 0-)

    She was a woman clearly out of her depth, she was petulant and lazy.  She was an(and is) and empty headed hockey mom.  She had absolutely no excuse. her parents were teachers for goodness sake.  John McCain was reckless, there is no doubt, but anyone that has read his biography knows that.  He has always been a shoot first and think about it later kind of decision maker.  He loves to spit in people's face just to do it.  I actually found the campaign rather sympathetic, yes they should have done a better job of vetting her but so should the people of Alaska, she was a dam governor for Christ sake.    

    •  I felt sympathy for her the way I feel (5+ / 0-)

      sympathy for some of the people who audition for shows like American Idol that can't sing. This woman was totally clueless. On the other hand, I've always like the proverb:

      He who knows not, and knows not that he knows not, is a fool. Shun him.

      He who knows not, and knows that he knows not is simple. Teach him.

      He who knows, and knows not that he knows, is asleep. Wake him.

      He who knows, and knows that he knows is wise. Follow him.

      Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people. -- Eleanor Roosevelt

      by hungrycoyote on Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 09:18:44 PM PST

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      •  This. (7+ / 0-)

        She was way over her head -- if they'd sent someone up to Alaska to spend a month with her and bring her up to speed, they would have found that she was nowhere near ready for the big stage, and maybe spent the next 4 years prepping her for 2012 or 2016 (2016 might have been better; Piper would be in her early teens, Trig would have been 8). With the right education and maybe a few years on the lecture circuit, she could have been a major factor. But they rushed her out too soon, and we all dodged a major bullet.

        The optimist sees the glass as half-full. The pessimist sees the glass as half-empty. The realist just knows she's thirsty.

        by Cali Scribe on Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 10:21:17 PM PST

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        •  No one should need that much prepwork. (11+ / 0-)

          I am hoping that they were taking dramatic license because if she truly did not know:

          -that Korea was split into two countries, how that happened and why

          -that Saddam Hussein did not attack us on 9/11

          -that the Queen of England is not the head of British government

          -what the FED is and what it does

          If this is all true, I don't think 4 years of prep would help, 4 years of high school and 4 years of college didn't help so why do you think 4 more years would change her basic ignorance.  

          •  I believe all of those things are true (4+ / 0-)

            She really didn't know those, it's been brought up many times in interviews with staffers after the election.

            And I also believe it was 5 years of college. She spent 5 years in college for a 4 year degree.

            "How come when it’s us, it’s an abortion, and when it’s a chicken, it’s an omelette?" - George Carlin

            by yg17 on Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 10:36:59 PM PST

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          •  The movie strongly suggested (5+ / 0-)

            she did not know the players involved in WWI and WWI.  Like, she was instructed that Germany was an antagonist in WWI.
            Also, too, (I just had to do that), she didn't know the rationales behing the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
            Believing the Queen of England is head of government is goofy enough, but to fail to recognize fucking players and rationales of 2 world wars is stunning. Was she catatonic during her history classes, all the way through all the schools and universities she attended?

          •  It's Very Possible Palin Didn't Know Those Facts (0+ / 0-)

            The average American couldn't correctly answer all those questions and Palin is very average--perhaps below average. However, she is a good actress, as the movie emphasized, so she is an average person who is able to make other average people think she is above average.

            "The problem with posting quotes off the Internet is you never know if they're genuine."--Gen. George Washington at the Battle of Gettysburg, February 30, 1908

            by Aspe4 on Sun Mar 11, 2012 at 08:01:53 AM PDT

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            •  high school history (0+ / 0-)

              for WW1 and WW2.  If the movie displayed her knowledge of history, then she had none.

              Considering she was the governor of a state and up for the VP job, inexcusable.  McCain screwed up.

              "The only person sure of himself is the man who wishes to leave things as they are, and he dreams of an impossibility" -George M. Wrong.

              by statsone on Sun Mar 11, 2012 at 08:44:15 AM PDT

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            •  Most Americans have not graduated from college, (0+ / 0-)

              according to her biography she has.  I cannot imagine how she could have scored well enough on the SAT to qualify.

  •  watched it and a few comments (11+ / 0-)

    the film was well done and worth watching.

    The campaign was desperate for a win and picked Palin as a last resort.  In the rush, they didn't properly vet her.  If they did, I don't think she would have been picked.

    The comments in the reviews in the last week (from pre-screens) indicated the film would show sympathy for Palin.  It didn't.  It did make her look incompetent, abusive, unprepared, selfish, and on the verge of a nervous breakdown.  The question of if she was even mentally ill was brought up in the film by the organizer actors.

    "The only person sure of himself is the man who wishes to leave things as they are, and he dreams of an impossibility" -George M. Wrong.

    by statsone on Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 08:31:05 PM PST

    •  Yeah, I didn't get the sympathy angle either (10+ / 0-)

      It made her look like the unstable moron she is.

      If anything, it showed sympathy towards McCain. The movie completely ignored all of the mudslinging he did on his own and made it appear as if he was a victim of his own staff and Palin.

      If this was a fictional portrayal of something that never happened, I would come out of the movie with a pretty high opinion of McCain. But, knowing all of the facts and what really happened, I still think he's a dishonorable prick who's responsible for giving us Palin and the teabaggers.

      "How come when it’s us, it’s an abortion, and when it’s a chicken, it’s an omelette?" - George Carlin

      by yg17 on Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 10:42:19 PM PST

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      •  Top Comment! n/t (3+ / 0-)
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      •  Also, I think they should have included the (4+ / 0-)

        part where McCain stood up Letterman to rush back to Washington to solve the economic crisis. They had several editions of the parodies Tina Fey did of Palin on Saturday Night Live. Why couldn't they show the part where Letterman caught him being interviewed by Katie Couric when he was supposed to be on his way back to DC?

        They did include the part where McCain tried to suspend the campaign to deal with the economic crisis and Obama's retort that a President needs to be able to do more than one thing at a time ... but then they also laid that idea at the feet of McCain's staff. In fact, all the bad choices belonged to somebody other than McCain according to the movie.

        Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people. -- Eleanor Roosevelt

        by hungrycoyote on Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 11:23:11 PM PST

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    •  Agreed. Not at all sympathetic. (1+ / 0-)
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      It would take an extreme act of twisting in the narrative wind to find away to make her sympathetic. She is and continues to be a stone cold moron who has been given the gift of a populist voice. And that's a dangerous combination.

  •  McCain Hardly Was Alone Making That Decision. (5+ / 0-)

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 08:32:01 PM PST

    •  Oh he had lots of (17+ / 0-)

      influence in the wrong direction.  But the buck stops with him.  If he REALLY wanted Lieberman on the ticket, he could have darned well fought for it.  He didn't.  Moreover, at the end, he gave the Arctic Snowbilly his blessing as the leader of the party.  Please.  McCain deserves every bit of derision for unleashing that idiot on the country and fueling the most base, disgusting, and scary elements of the far right on the GOP.  The inmates are running the Republican asylum and John "Country First" McCain opened that door.  

      I vote Democratic because I am a woman with self-respect , who rejects bigotry of all kinds, subscribes to science, believes in universal health care, embraces unions, and endorses smart internationalist foreign policy.

      by Delilah on Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 08:40:23 PM PST

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  •  I just posted this comment on another diary about (10+ / 0-)

    this very subject:

    I bet my life that Sarah did not come up with the

    remark lipstick on a pig at the convention.  She could never come up with it on her own.  

    The next day I searched the net for photos of RNC night and came across several photos of a photographer (some online newspaper I can't remember) who said about his photos "I was lucky to get up close to the stage."  In one of the photos taken of her from the back but more to the left of her the words were all in white and clear on the teleprompter "LIPSTICK ON A PIG" Every time I hear or read someone saying she came up with that after he prompter failed is only parroting the staff's attempt to give her credit.  I twist in pain for not copying the photo and saving it.  I just thought the photo was already published and someone will squash the attempts at her brilliance on punchlines in no time.Wish someone out there would search and find it. So for anyone who loves debunking rumors there is a photo out there of lipstick on a pig on a teleprompter on RNC night.  I hope someone finds it.

  •  Palin was and is unable to understand her (17+ / 0-)

    own limitations. (That's the kindest way I can put it.) The blame for her pick rests in the end with McCain. He has always been a lazy, hot headed man who cares only about himself and this pick was only the latest example of his limitations.

    Further, affiant sayeth not.

    by Gary Norton on Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 08:36:22 PM PST

    •  didn't we see that again with this year's primary (1+ / 0-)
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      Gary Norton

      ...this year's primary field?  Like Sarah Palin, they had been successful at their previous levels of endeavor.  Remember how seriously we took each in turn, here on dkos?  Each was capable of looking formidable until the spotlight focused on them nonstop for a period of time.

      My takeaway from this year's primary plus the rise and ?fall? of Sarah Palin is that Presidential campaigning is a big step up from almost everything else.  It requires greater poise, greater stamina, broader knowledge, the ability to think on one's feet, maintain persona when exhausted, and relate to a much broader audience than statewide campaigning.  President Obama, of course, is good at it.  So was Bill Clinton.

      I don't see Sarah Palin as unique.  And I sympathize with her over any of these others because her expectations were informed (I think) by some key people telling her she really was qualified.  She didn't have the perspective to know they were wrong.  How can you blame someone for engaging in denial in the face of evidence that there is no floor beneath their feet, none at all?

      I can sympathize with each and all of these ex-candidates to the extent that they are no longer a threat.  As long as they are doing damage I save my sympathy for elsewhere.

  •  I didn't feel sorry for Palin at all. (13+ / 0-)

    Also just finished watching, and I feel no sympathy. She was portrayed as someone all about "me" from the outset. She failed to disclose to the vetters the truth about herself, for example perpetuating the lie that she was against the bridge to nowhere. She failed on so many levels. That the campaign, and Schmidt in particular, also failed big time, does not let her off the hook.

    There's no such thing as a Free Information Kit. There is, however, advertising.

    by lotac on Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 08:39:25 PM PST

  •  She's even MORE toast now. How embarassing... (7+ / 0-)

    and the whole country that DID not watch it will now be subjected to endless more clips of it.....Kudos to Nicole Wallace for putting her country first and not voting for that dunce Sarah for VP  - to be a pulse away from the Presidency.

    •  I wish, but there are still people who will (1+ / 0-)
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      on the cusp

      blindly follow her. They'll watch this and just say it's a leftest plot to keep her from reaching her calling.

      Just like the left conspired to get Limbaugh to self-destruct when they asked him stop calling Fluke a "slut" and a "prostitute," and yet he continued you to do it for three days straight. Didn't you know the left conspired to change the topic from "religious freedom" to reproductive issues? Well, that same Left is trying to destroy Sarah Palin too.

      Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people. -- Eleanor Roosevelt

      by hungrycoyote on Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 09:24:08 PM PST

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  •  I wonder if McCain really did say (5+ / 0-)

    those last words to Palin as portrayed in the movie.  That was something like, "You are one of the leaders of the party now.  Don't be co-opted by the likes of Limbaugh or the other extremists, or you'll destroy the party".

    If so, that was a wise thing for him to say (though she obviously didn't listen).  Too bad he didn't follow his own advise, cuz now he's just as extreme (and bitter) as the rest of 'em.  And they are destroying their party (thank gawd).

  •  (obligatory) (3+ / 0-)
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    "FOUR more years!!! (Obama Unencombered - The Sequel)

    by jwinIL14 on Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 08:47:48 PM PST

  •  I must return to (4+ / 0-)

    Peggy Noonan's quote: "Sarah Palin doesn't think before she says things. She just ... says things."

  •  Excellent movie (9+ / 0-)

    I find Sarah to be a very interesting study of severe narcissism, low IQ and delusions of grandeur all wrapped up into a vindictive personality & Julianne Moore did an excellent job.
    I was riveted by the movie and was actually glad that I didn't feel one ounce of sympathy.  I did feel the pit in my stomach after Sarah went "rogue" - I remembered the real campaign and the horrible racist crowds she garnered. That felt like an overwhelmingly dangerous time in our country and I hope this movie puts her out of the spotlight once and for all.

  •  Nicolle Wallace? (4+ / 0-)
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    statsone, 57andFemale, Ckntfld, Stripe

    Integrity?  The woman was on George W. Bush's media team!   So she didn't vote for the ticket?  Bee-Eff-Dee!

  •  The film does NOT make Palin sympathetic (5+ / 0-)

    I don't understand the reviews saying that the film makes the viewer sympathize with Palin. I thought it portrayed her as not just dumb but selfish, deranged, petty and dangerously self-centered.

    There's a short period where she is so bereft of self-confidence that she almost breaks down. At that moment, maybe she evokes a tiny bit of sympathy. But once she beats expectations in the debate with Biden, she becomes a monster. She falls in love with the image of herself that her crowds project onto her.

    The portrait may still be too kind because it leaves out the extreme demagogy, but it's certainly not a kind portrait.

    As to McCain, it damns him indirectly. His consultants are the only ones who come to see the recklessness of the choice and the only ones who show remorse. McCain himself seems utterly un-reflective and completely without remorse.

    The authors don't seem to intend to slam McCain but they give the audience what it needs to know to judge him a reckless failure.

  •  Sarah has the last laugh (0+ / 0-)

    There's an old saying in Hollywood..."There's no such thing as bad publicity."

    "By your late thirties the ground has begun to grow hard. It grows harder and harder until the day that it admits you.” Thomas McGuane, Nobody's Angel

    by Keith930 on Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 09:42:27 PM PST

  •  Two thoughts: (5+ / 0-)

    1) My wife and I were playing armchair psychiatrist of a sort, guessing what they were implying she may have had.  I found myself thinking she was less personality disordered than I did in 2008, and more the victim of Major Depression.  The middle of the movie looks to be portraying her as more near-catatonic than lazy.  This raises the question, if this is actually a realistic depiction of what Schmidt saw (a big IF), then they may have given her stimulants to try to perk her out of it (more appropriate canonical anti-depressants would have taken too long).  That could have led to the paranoia and irritability that marked all of October's presentation of Sarah.

    2) I wonder whether these clowns actually sent her out with the Ayers attack lines, having already realized how bizarre she could get.  I doubt it.  I think, as it seemed at the time, that she was single-handedly tapping into "dark vein of populism."  I think Schmidt implied in interviews (and it's hinted at indirectly in the film) that part of yanking the plug on her "concession speech" was not about precedent but the inflammatory attacks on Obama that were within it.  Some interviewers, struck by Schmidt's refusal to reveal what was in that text at any point in the next few decades, have tried goading him into telling whether she bordered on discussing "Second Amendment Remedies" in that speech.  So far, his lips have been sealed.  I think that may be his ace in the hole if she tries getting back on the electoral stage.

    For those of you who prefer Bartlett to Obama, re-watch the West Wing. For those who prefer Clinton, re-watch old news videos.

    by Ptolemy on Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 09:44:27 PM PST

    •  Probably too late for you to see reply but ABC (0+ / 0-)

      did get a copy

      Sarah Palin's Never-Heard Victory, Concession Speeches

      The contents of those never-heard speeches, and the controversy surrounding Palin's last planned public appearance on election night, are featured in a new book entitled "Sarah From Alaska" by Scott Conroy and Shushannah Walshe.
      ABC News verified the authenticity of the speeches independently.

      In the never-delivered concession speech, Palin planned to say that if Obama governs with "the skill and grace we have often seen... we're going to be just fine."

      But the prepared concession speech also contained this dig on Obama: "It would be a happier night if elections were a test of valor and merit alone, but that is not for us to question now," Palin would've said.

      CLICK HERE to read the two speeches.

      •  The verification has been questioned (0+ / 0-)

        Schmidt has never confirmed those speeches that surfaced, at least not publically.

        Some have even surmised that Sarah herself floated the speeches, and that allies have "verified" them.

        We're not going to live to know this one conclusively.

        For those of you who prefer Bartlett to Obama, re-watch the West Wing. For those who prefer Clinton, re-watch old news videos.

        by Ptolemy on Tue Mar 13, 2012 at 08:43:40 AM PDT

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  •  I just watched it and thought it was (2+ / 0-)
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    on the cusp, OleHippieChick

    pretty good. Julianne Moore's portrayal of Sarah Palin was so spot on that I cringed every time I saw her and heard her voice just like I do when I see the real Sarah Palin.

    If the events portrayed in the movie are even only half accurate, it shows just how irresponsible McCain was in picking her and just how closely this country dodged a bullet.

    "How come when it’s us, it’s an abortion, and when it’s a chicken, it’s an omelette?" - George Carlin

    by yg17 on Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 09:54:58 PM PST

  •  Posting a link to this on our Pre movie Diary (1+ / 0-)
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    You can make a difference in the world; just by doing something good for someone else today.

    by laserhaas on Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 10:11:28 PM PST

  •  OPINE . Moore gets a nomination and Palin is (0+ / 0-)

    a duck out of water.

    What won her the Gov spot in Alaska,
    did not bode well for the country as a whole.

    McCain knew (as did Schmidt) that they were going to lose and went on a Vegas roll (under the gun to do so) to solve the problem.

    Edwards would have beaten McCain - Hillary may have even won by a greater margin....

    we were All - tired of Bush era politics and a war none of us wanted - except those who would benefit from it financially.

    I wish Palin was still in it now - Romney might have a harder climb and harder time to rig.

    You can make a difference in the world; just by doing something good for someone else today.

    by laserhaas on Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 10:15:48 PM PST

  •  Felt bad for her initially, bad for McCain at end (7+ / 0-)

    Although thanks to dkos for bringing me back to reality.  This movie did one thing:  Portray John McCain as a sort of Pontias Pilate in this whole thing.  I'm not sure that's totally the case.  John McCain had some deep seething disdain/jealousy/etc. for Barack Obama that was rampant in the debates.  He certainly has no qualms about throwing Grenades at the President (mostly on foreign policy) any chance he gets now that he's relegated to his mostly back-bencher status in the Senate.

    So we have Steve Schmidt to blame for foisting Sarah Palin upon us. Kinda like OJ handed us the Kardashians.  Pox your house Mr. Schmidt.  You have torn families apart in this country by unleashing her bile.  If it wasn't for my father, my mother (a sheep republican) would not speak to me, nor her 16 month grandson, at all.  She simply cannot get over that I'm a democrat.  

    Steve, if you have any decency, destroy Sarah Palin.  Release whatever it is you are holding back.  End the nightmare.

    •  I kinda agree. (3+ / 0-)
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      McCain did have enough sense to hold back on the Wright/Ayers attacks at the beginning. When he cut Sarah loose I think he regretted it. he did not expect the vile, racist hate out of the crowds. you see his face in the film show that, I don't know if he really did.
      Lately, he has been as crazy as he has ever been. I don't think he respects Obama as president at all.

      Also, the vetting process; they didn't ask the right questions thinking someone else would. They gambled on a mentally ill person and lost. Schmidt should tell all now and get Palin off the stage.

      The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. - Elbert Hubbard -9.62/-8.15

      by GustavMahler on Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 10:30:14 PM PST

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      •  I've always believed that McCain was (3+ / 0-)
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        horrified by the racist rhetoric coming from Palin and the crowds, and when the crazy lady at the town hall said "He's an Arab!", he had a look of "Oh shit, what have I done" on his face.

        But I think after losing the election really set in, his horror turned into jealousy and bitterness and now he's one of them.

        "How come when it’s us, it’s an abortion, and when it’s a chicken, it’s an omelette?" - George Carlin

        by yg17 on Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 10:52:56 PM PST

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    •  Halperin and Heilemann (1+ / 0-)
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      have been at the center of the MSM's deification of John "The Maverick" McCain for years now. It's no surprise that their book would continue to paint McCain as s sympathetic figure.  

  •  Phatcat, (2+ / 0-)
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    sorry about your mom.  I have lost 2 of my very closest friends this month over politics.  
    Schmidt knew 5 days was not enough time to vet anyone.
    And, if this movie is accurate, she was told by Schmidt to stop lying.  Imagine being coached by your political handlers to stop lying. While running for VP.
    Palin needs to go back to terrorizing moose, not the country.  If I never hear her again, or see her, or see her name in print, ever, ever again, life would be lots better.

  •  That movie left me with an even (8+ / 0-)

    more nauseous feeling in the pit of my stomach. Had something horrible come out on Obama, Sarah Palin could have very well had the nuclear codes right now because McCain would have not been able to have withstood the stress of the job these last 4 years. She was to freaking close for comfort. We better never even consider putting someone like that a heartbeat away from the presidency again...even someone we think we could handily beat. You never know what might happen. She is not only mean and hateful but she is mentally unstable too. Lord have mercy, what a clusterf**k of a mess we could have had.

    •  Yep. This is why I hate Operation Hilarity. (3+ / 0-)
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      I fail to see the difference between Schmidt "playing to win" with Palin, and kos "playing to win" with Santorum.  It's the same goddamned thing; and if we're going to rightly criticize Schmidt for what he did, then I really don't understand why people are even entertaining the idea of Santorum getting anywhere near the Presidency.

      Have you googled Romney today?

      by fou on Sun Mar 11, 2012 at 12:26:51 AM PST

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  •  schmidt should not be forgiven for what he (3+ / 0-)
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    has heaped on this nation. no amount of attrition on msnbc will excuse his absolute disregard for this country. same with mccain. a pox on both their houses.

    Earth: Mostly harmless ~ The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (revised entry)

    by yawnimawke on Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 10:42:22 PM PST

  •  just one question please (2+ / 0-)
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    in terms of concession speeches... itsn't it always that the losing presidential candidate makes the concession speech and the losing vp just fades away, at least for that night...

    I don't ever remember either the winning or losing VP candidates making speeches on election night.... maybe interviews the next day, but no speeches for a while...

    I found the movie really wonderful to watch ... i never felt any sympathy for her during the film ... the one thing that always makes me stop when I am about to pity her is that she knowingly got on a plane while in labor to fly from Texas to Alaska with an at risk pregnancy ... No woman who truly cares about her child would do such a thing
    To me that said her children were props not people ... I am glad the movie dealt more with her inadequacies than her family life

    Give your heart a real workout! Love your enemies!

    by moonbatlulu on Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 10:45:44 PM PST

    •  Yup, the losing VP candidate usually fades into (4+ / 0-)


      Edwards faded away and only because the topic of discussion when his affair came out.
      Lieberman went back to the senate to become the pain in the ass he's always been.
      And who the fuck was Bob Dole's running mate? Seriously, I don't know. That's how far back into obscurity he went.

      Only Palin has somehow gotten a national stage after losing an election.

      "How come when it’s us, it’s an abortion, and when it’s a chicken, it’s an omelette?" - George Carlin

      by yg17 on Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 10:49:05 PM PST

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      •  Bob Dole's running mate (4+ / 0-)

        was Jack Kemp -- one of a now bygone breed of decent Republicans with a conscience.

        I vote Democratic because I am a woman with self-respect , who rejects bigotry of all kinds, subscribes to science, believes in universal health care, embraces unions, and endorses smart internationalist foreign policy.

        by Delilah on Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 11:02:39 PM PST

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      •  If she were 60 yrs. old, 100 lbs. (3+ / 0-)

        heavier, with grey hair, none of this would have happened.

      •  That's kind of a fun trivia game (0+ / 0-)

        "Name the losing VP candidate" -- people who follow politics usually remember the winning candidates and the losing presidential candidate. But who was the losing VP (bonus point for remembering both of McGovern's picks). People end up saying, things like "Oh, god, what was his name?  That guy from Texas who told Dan Quayle he was no Jack Kennedy."

        Next time you're bored, like if you're sitting in an airport or a doctor's waiting room, see how many losing VPs you can name.

        But the angle said to them, "Do not be Alfred. A sailor has been born to you"

        by Dbug on Sun Mar 11, 2012 at 06:29:24 AM PDT

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        •  McGovern's picks (0+ / 0-)

          Eagleton ..and then Shriver ... both far superior to Agnew

          In many ways, Palin was a throwback to Dan Quayle ..
          the female version, to the tenth power

          who ran as Ford's VP against Carter?  was it Rockefeller?
          and I can remember Goldwater's running mate:  Miller, because he made the American Express commercials...wasn't he one of the first political has beens to do something like that?

          Give your heart a real workout! Love your enemies!

          by moonbatlulu on Sun Mar 11, 2012 at 08:16:42 PM PDT

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          •  Ford and Dole (0+ / 0-)

            Bob Dole -- who later ran for President with Kemp. Republicans like to nominate people with four letters in their name: Bush (two of them), Dole (and Kemp), Ford (and Dole). On the Democratic side, only Gore had a four-letter name.

            As you get back in time, you get weird matchups. In 1960, Kennedy and Johnson beat Nixon and Henry Cabot Lodge, an old-fashioned New England moderate Republican and one-time U.N. ambassador.

            Adlai Stevenson lost to Eisenhower twice. In 1956 his running mate was Estes Kefauver (from Tennessee) and in 1952 it was John Sparkman (from Alabama -- a southern Democrat -- an attempt to appeal to people who voted Dixiecrat in 1948).

            But the angle said to them, "Do not be Alfred. A sailor has been born to you"

            by Dbug on Mon Mar 12, 2012 at 08:45:47 AM PDT

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  •  I read the book when it first came out, and during (4+ / 0-)
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    the film I kept thinking of the joke that if it was God's plan for Sarah Palin to be Sen. McCain's running mate, God must have wanted McCain to lose.

    The spirit of liberty is the spirit which is not too sure that it is right. -- Judge Learned Hand, May 21, 1944

    by ybruti on Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 11:53:52 PM PST

  •  Displays McCain's character- Me first, not country (1+ / 0-)
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    It was a fatal choice and sabotaged any chance he might have had. If you believe in divine providence, this was it.

  •  A friend of mine was her pilot and security guard (5+ / 0-)

    And all of that ego, narcissism, mean girl, and drama queen stuff is spot on. They shoulda checked with him and the other security team in Alaska.

  •  Julianne Moore's performance was spot on. (2+ / 0-)
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    I thought she was great.  I really liked the film.  Kudos to HBO.
    Oh, and Woodly Harrelson was great too.

    Have you googled Romney today?

    by fou on Sun Mar 11, 2012 at 12:24:29 AM PST

  •  Not A Speck of Sympathy For Any Of Them..... (5+ / 0-)

    Nicolle Wallace pops up regularly still spouting Republican talking points.  The only honorable thing she's done in her whole political life was not voting for McCain/Palin.  She still lies for a living.

    John McCain is bitter, jealous & horribly disrespectful to President Obama.  He's never gotten over losing.  And I've never gotten over the five planes he crashed as a military pilot.  He also sang like a song bird while he was a POW.  He is no hero to me.  He should get out of the way & retire on his rich wife's money.  

    Steve Schmidt is all over MSNBC today.  He's a smart cookie who let ambition get the best of him.  I thought the movie left him w/ some well deserved egg on his face.  He should have cared more for the country & less for the win.

    Country First?  In a pig's eye.  

  •  Watching that movie, (1+ / 0-)
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    or anything else about Sarah Palin, always brings me right back to the night of her convention speech and how I felt watching it.  Horrified.  I don't care if she was a possibly post-partumly depressed mother of five with a pregnant teenaged daughter and sincerely out of her depth.  I can't ever forgive her for delivering that dismissive, snarky, means girls, disrespectful speech.  

  •  Too Sympathetic To McCain (0+ / 0-)

    Ed Harris broguht too much vitality to the part. McCain is frail, disabled,  not that sharp any more.  It's just as well they did not attempt to recreate McCain disfiguring scars from cancer surgery.

    There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

    by bernardpliers on Sun Mar 11, 2012 at 08:19:47 AM PDT

    •  I thought it was weird (0+ / 0-)

      that every other word out of his mouth was a cuss word.  I wonder if that's true?

      •  His swearing was well known, just not reported on (0+ / 0-)

        TV. It was mentioned much more by print media.

        His bad temper was well known too but it doesn't sound like that even made the movie

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