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In the following video, a San Diego police department spokeswoman calmly explains how a naked white guy screaming and masturbating in the street got treated by the San Diego cops:

Apparently, if you're white, you can do such things and have them treated as a medical emergency.  Who knew?!?  Please note that he was not arrested.  He was not pepper sprayed.  He was not tazed.  He was not beaten.  He was not shot multiple times.  He was not sodomized with a nightstick.  Instead, he is now resting comfortably in a local medical facility, where he is being evaluated and treated.  And that is as it should be.

Now just try to imagine how dead this guy would be if he were black.

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  •  The fact that we treat humans so horribly is bad (8+ / 0-)

    enough.

    The fact that white males are exempt from such treatment is horrifying.

    Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance.

    by Horace Boothroyd III on Fri Mar 16, 2012 at 10:00:22 PM PDT

  •  There were also family members (5+ / 0-)
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    on hand to help explain and defuse the situation.  That helped too.

    •  white people explaining, yes (18+ / 0-)

      black or latino family members explaining means more people get tased/arrested/beaten.

      •  no white guys get beaten to death (0+ / 0-)

        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/...

        But again, can't let reality get in the way of selling your view point, oh no, can't have that happen.  Because the cops never do anything to white people ever.

        lol

        "Foolproof systems don't take into account the ingenuity of fools."

        by overclocking on Fri Mar 16, 2012 at 10:15:38 PM PDT

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        •  Certainly, it has happened that Poor white people (7+ / 0-)

          are attacked and beaten by police, but if your at all under the impression that it happens any where near as often to white people than it does to people of color then you need to do some more reading.  

          There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

          by AoT on Fri Mar 16, 2012 at 11:19:51 PM PDT

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          •  I'm not but here is the catch (5+ / 0-)
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            This sort of shit is largely a socio-economic issue.  And given that minorities are largely of lesser socio economic status that makes them easier victims.

            I live in a very nice part of the Washington DC area (Rosslyn/Georgetown) and we deal with such problems daily.  If you are in a suit or high end clothes and driving a nice car, it doesn't matter what race you are, you're OK.  God fucking help you if you are not.  If you are dressed low class, say a hoodie, you'll get shit.  I got arrested in my own area and tossed through the legal hell hole for pretty much wearing a torn up hooded sweatshirt and cut off old camies that I turned into shorts from my stint in the military.  Roughed up pretty good by the Arlington PD in the process and caught a slew of charges.  

            Of course, one private lawyer and a few thousand dollars later it pretty much went away, though I'm still paying for it.  And it largely went away because I showed in work clothes, ie a suit, and they realized I fucking live here.

            And this is precisely the problem.  We terrorize those lower on the socio economic ladder.  Not only that, but they lack the financial ability to defend themselves against a legal system that is predatory at best.  Minorities in many areas are far more likely to fall into this trap and they become the overwhelming amount of victims here.

            But that's what it is.  Being white won't save your ass if you're poor and not dressed well.  And being black is not a death sentence if you're dressed nice and have access to proper legal defense.

            "Foolproof systems don't take into account the ingenuity of fools."

            by overclocking on Fri Mar 16, 2012 at 11:42:58 PM PDT

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    •  the sad thing is that when the color (1+ / 0-)
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      is different, even with family members on hand, the results are horribly different than this situation.

      i am so glad the young man got help - my fervent prayer is that EVERY individual gets help instead of getting arrested or  shot!

  •  no, they shoot white guys as well (0+ / 0-)

    you can google plenty of that going on.  You're also leaving out all the white people that got sprayed, tazed, and beaten in the OWS protests for doing far less than what this jerk did.

    But go ahead and pretend that doesn't happen if it helps suit the point you have stuck in your head.  We can't let reality get in the way of that now can we.

    "Foolproof systems don't take into account the ingenuity of fools."

    by overclocking on Fri Mar 16, 2012 at 10:10:01 PM PDT

  •  I Want To Temper My Comments (26+ / 0-)

    I've talked here about the fact a number of years ago I got a DUI. White dude. I was 39 at the time. Never had a legal problem. When I went to court I was stunned.

    I know the county I live in is 87% white. Of all the people going into court I think there were like 11 white people. Maybe 70 of color.

    I was also one of the only people with a lawyer.

    I walked up and the charges were read. Kind of a long list.

    I didn't get harm anybody or any property, but the list was long.

    I could hear people gasp behind me. I walked out with a slap on the wrist. Those before me of color and without a lawyer, not so much.

    This is just how shit is. People hate to hear it, but it is fact.

    When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

    by webranding on Fri Mar 16, 2012 at 10:15:44 PM PDT

  •  Or how they would have been treated if.... (5+ / 0-)

    ...they were occupy members sitting in protest?

  •  So this fellow was 5150'd, right? (4+ / 0-)
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    202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

    by cany on Fri Mar 16, 2012 at 10:31:09 PM PDT

    •  Yes. n/t (2+ / 0-)
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      "Let’s just move on, treat everybody with firmness, fairness, dignity, compassion and respect. Let’s be Marines." - Sgt. Maj Michael Barrett on DADT repeal

      by kyril on Fri Mar 16, 2012 at 10:37:34 PM PDT

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    •  He was "detained," but it's still unclear... (2+ / 0-)
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      to me whether his medical treatment was voluntary or involuntary.  Given the notoriety of the man because of his Kony 2012 video and the extensive coverage that this incident is garnering (including a video of his nude meltdown which I've chosen not to link to), I'm sure that more details will be forthcoming.

      •  well, it is interesting that they chose this route (1+ / 0-)
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        v. arrest and drunk tank. This won't go well with his church-ie buddies, that's for sure.

        202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

        by cany on Fri Mar 16, 2012 at 11:12:17 PM PDT

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        •  nah, not really, here is the deal (2+ / 0-)
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          If you are acting royally screwy, you go to the hospital.  They'll try and figure out what's going on with you and deal with it later.  This happens all the time with people that have acid or pcp freakouts.  And having had a few friends that have been carted off for that sort of thing, it's not abnormal.

          Of course once there, it's up to the cops to charge you or not.  And that generally depends on just what you did and what you pop for.   If there is anything in his system they'll let him know when he leaves and he'll catch the charge for that after the fact.

          There is a certain threshold of "what in the hell" behavior you can cross that lands you in the hospital rather than the drunk tank.  This obviously clears that hurdle.  

          From my experience here in DC it's that (and this is regardless of race despite what the author of this diary claims) you cross that line you land in either the hospital or the mental hospital.  Once you get better, detox, whatever, then a doctor evaluates you.  Depending on what happens, you can be let go (rarely) get put on trial (depends on if you have drugs on you and just how epic your rampage was) or be committed against your will (very not good).  At times if they let you go you'll get some court ordered psychiatric help as well.  And if charged criminally, you're often just let go as well provided you aren't a danger along with a fine, some AA/NA sort of meeting, and some psychiatric work.

          Make no mistake about it.  The man is either facing charges for criminal behavior, or he's in for some fun time with the head doctor.  The fact that he's on a 5150 hold is evidence enough of that.  But he's either going to be on the hook for being high as a kite in public, or he's going to be legally written down as a lunatic and forced to treat it.  This isn't over yet.

          His only real hope here is that he has some underlying yet treatable psychiatric condition and his lawyer can spin the ever loving hell out of it as a one time psychotic break.  If he has PCP in his system, he's fucked.

          "Foolproof systems don't take into account the ingenuity of fools."

          by overclocking on Fri Mar 16, 2012 at 11:29:41 PM PDT

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          •  It's hard to argue with someone (1+ / 0-)
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            who has had multiple friends carted off for being nuts.  That makes you the expert.  

            •  not nuts, high as a kite actually (1+ / 0-)
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              The first thought that went through my mind on seeing that video was "this guy is on PCP, mescaline, or acid" all of which are stupidly easy to get around here.  I've seen that sort of stuff happen several times.

              In my younger and dumber days I went to a lot of raves, one of which was famously raided by the DEA and busted by Fox News (Buzz in Washington DC, clips are still on youtube) in part because of the amount of people hospitalized due to drug induced freak outs.  I still hang out at some of the clubs and bars in Dupont and the gay house scene there is still pretty drug heavy, though it's an older and more responsible crowd.

              I've also done volunteer work in DC and you get to see people that are genuine whack jobs in that sort of work as well.

              Honestly, this sort of fiasco is FAR more common than most people realize.  It only becomes news when either 1) the cops kill someone which happens far to often, or 2) the person who freaked the hell out is someone famous like this case.

              The police department here has done the right thing so far.  Personally I'm in favor of decriminalizing drugs and just treating people, but we'll see if anything was in his blood stream or not.  But again, everytime I've known someone to pull this sort of stunt, well PCP is a bitch.

              "Foolproof systems don't take into account the ingenuity of fools."

              by overclocking on Fri Mar 16, 2012 at 11:50:22 PM PDT

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  •  I think this incident demonstrates how (5+ / 0-)

    anyone who is not a threat to others should be treated.  NOT, as the SD police treated the occupiers in Oct. 2011.  http://www.nbcsandiego.com/...

    Headline:  
    Police in Riot Gear End Occupy San Diego Protest
    Lines of officers in riot gear moved the protesters off the property overnight

    Source: Police in Riot Gear End Occupy San Diego Protest | NBC San Diego

    Abstinence makes the heart glow flounder.

    by LinSea on Fri Mar 16, 2012 at 10:39:49 PM PDT

  •  history is (1+ / 0-)
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    proof enough for me that the diarist's claim is legit.

  •  I read the diary, then I read the comments (all 25 (15+ / 0-)

    of them). Then I read the linked article online.

    Then I thought about it all for a bit, and I'm ashamed to say that I didn't want to agree with your summation.

    Not at first.

    And it makes me feel ashamed to realize that that feeling of shame is the proof that I, the person who thinks they are not prejudiced, not.one.whit, is, to some extent.

    Because I want, really wanted to say, hey, but this is a really strange one-off event. Look at the guy and all the sudden attention and stress. It could happen. A guy could have a mental collapse and act out.

    But you are right.

    Just change who was the apparently mentally unstable man in the story to some random black man in Southern California, and the end of the new news story?

    Black man killed in a hail of gunfire, as he runs amok in neighborhood, clad only in a pair of underwear and allegedly masturbating in public. Multiple reports to local police were received and a routine officer response ended in a deadly confrontation with the as yet unnamed suspect.
    America. 2012.

    I thought racial issues would be better by now.

    :(

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    by Angie in WA State on Sat Mar 17, 2012 at 12:12:01 AM PDT

  •  Excellent diary, but there's the issue of context (0+ / 0-)

    I'm absolutely agreeing with your conclusion.  My problem is that WHO this white man was might have some significance in this discussion, and it's not enough just to put who he was in the tags.

    All it takes is security in your own civil rights to make you complacent.

    by Dave in Northridge on Sat Mar 17, 2012 at 07:14:43 AM PDT

    •  I agree (0+ / 0-)

      But that only comes into play after the police assess his identity.  

      Lenin Cat says "In soviet Russia Cat chases Dog"

      by DanceHallKing on Sat Mar 17, 2012 at 08:09:50 AM PDT

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    •  I think "Angie in WA State" makes the key point... (5+ / 0-)

      in her comment above.  In such police encounters, there are a precious few moments during which decisions get made by the police as to how to respond; in those few moments, there is a tendency for white men to get the "benefit of the doubt" in a way that black men do not.  

      Before the police know whether the naked raving man is rich or poor, settled or homeless, dehydrated or strung out, recently famous or a random citizen, they know that he's a white man... that's what the 911 callers report when they are asked, that's what the cops observe on arrival, and that, too frequently, is the principle "context" that determines whether the police response is treatment or tazers.

      And it's not just cops.  Look at some of the comments in this diary.  I have identified myself as being black, and armed only with that factoid, commenters here have implied that I am not educated (I was editor in chief of the law review at an Ivy League law school), that I don't know how to dress properly (I don't own a hoodie), that I don't understand police procedures (I actually get paid to understand and enforce them), that I can't differentiate between issues of race and socio-economic status (I can and do), and that I am lazy, racist, etc.  That's the "context" that comes my way.  

      So while I really do hear your point about the problem with burying this guy's identity in the tags, I did that intentionally so that we could focus on the role that race may have played in the outcome of this encounter.  I think that it was the right outcome, and wish that I were more confident that I would be treated the same way if my world fell apart.

      •  I strongly agree with this: (0+ / 0-)
        there is a tendency for white men to get the "benefit of the doubt" in a way that black men do not.  
        That's not only men, but women.  I also agree with the first part of this:
        Before the police know whether the naked raving man is rich or poor, settled or homeless, dehydrated or strung out, recently famous or a random citizen, they know that he's a white man... that's what the 911 callers report when they are asked, that's what the cops observe on arrival,

        Yes, a lot of the time bad outcomes are based on racial prejudices by authority figures.  And that sucks.

        However, in my personal experience, I disagree 100% with this:

        and that, too frequently, is the principle "context" that determines whether the police response is treatment or tazers.
        Working in a high-volume, high-acuity urban 911 service with a sizable black population and an chronically overwhelmed police force, my experience has been very different.

        In my experience, the police are very quick to try to turn any call into a medical rather than a police matter.  Are you a diabetic, sir?  Does the person seem mentally unstable?  OK, here's your patient, C-YA!  That way we do the bulk of the paperwork.  If the person can be discharged with me registering them at the hospital, the police don't have to mess with booking them, and that generally suits them just fine.

        that I don't understand police procedures (I actually get paid to understand and enforce them)
        Can I ask what you do?  I'm a police activist, and would very much like to network with others who want to improve the state of public safety.

        Please see this diary.

  •  check it out (0+ / 0-)

    good series of information on this subject
    at infowars. I don't know if allowed to post links, it
    should be on the front page.

  •  Personal experience (0+ / 0-)

    Note: I'm a white paramedic/firefighter.

    I agree with the gist of what you're saying, that black people are much more likely to be treated badly by the police in general.

    However, having run some unknown number of 911 calls, I have to disagree that a black person in similar situations would be beaten and arrested.  Not saying it couldn't happen, and hasn't happened.  Just that it's unfair to say that would be standard procedure.

    I wish I had $1 for every psychiatric/behavioral patient I've been called to where we did exactly what happened here -- we try to talk them down and get them to come to the hospital voluntarily.  That's regardless of race or gender.  There aren't more mentally ill black people.  No one group is more mentally ill than another.

    I have never witnessed a psychiatric/behavioral patient being beaten or arrested for psychotic behavior that would otherwise be criminal.  Again, not saying it has never happened, just that it's by no means standard operating procedure.

    The most force I've seen applied to a psych patient has been tazering; it was a white woman who could not be restrained by four nurses laying on top of her.  The police tazed her so we could keep her still long enough to give her an anti-psychotic injection (Geodon).  

    I've taken many, many psych patients to the hospital handcuffed to my stretcher.   That's not dependent on race, but on how safe I feel with them in the truck.  The most likely group to assault me on a call is white drunks, equally divided between males and females.

    I have never seen a black patient beaten, pepper sprayed, tazed or arrested for psychotic behavior.  Again, not that it's never happened.  Just that it's a deviation from standard if it does.  I have seen many regular arrestees (non-mentally ill) pepper sprayed, and it does seem to more often be black people.

    What I have seen over and over that does not get addressed is black patients being treated differently by EMS crews in more subtle ways.  For example, a black patient with heart attack or stroke symptoms may be taken less seriously than a similar white patient.  A male black patient may be called "boss" by the same medic who calls white patients "sir."  

    It also has to be said that black people often perceive unfairness where there is none, and get angry with us when we're treating them exactly the same as white patients.  Almost all civilians think things should work much differently than they actually do.  The difference is that black people know they get discriminated against, so when the system doesn't work the way they think it should, they assume that's why.

    As stated above, the actual unfairness by EMS crews is much more subtle.  The racists among us know how not to garner complaints to their chain of command.

    So I'm not disagreeing that there is a problem, just that the way it's framed in this diary is not entirely fair.

    Thanks for listening.

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