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Romney vs. Romney
Now that President Obama's strategy for bringing bin Laden to justice has been validated,
Mitt Romney totally disagrees with Mitt Romney
One more thing about Karl Rove's pathetic attempt to rewrite history and deny President Obama the credit he deserves for bringing Osama bin Laden to justice: his favorite candidate, Mitt Romney, opposed President Obama's strategy.
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney criticized Democrat Barack Obama on Friday for vowing to strike al Qaeda targets inside Pakistan if necessary as the Obama camp issued a strident defense of his plan.
This was in 2007, and then-Senator Obama made it clear that if he were presented with information leading to al Qaeda targets (including, of course, bin Laden), that he would take action—even if Pakistan refused.
"If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will," Obama said.
President Obama kept his promise and his decision brought bin Laden to justice. But Romney couldn't have been more clear in his opposition to the course President Obama ultimately took:
"I do not concur in the words of Barack Obama in a plan to enter an ally of ours... I don't think those kinds of comments help in this effort to draw more friends to our effort," Romney told reporters on the campaign trail. [...] Romney, the former Massachusetts governor who is one of the Republican front-runners, said U.S. troops "shouldn't be sent all over the world." He called Obama's comments "ill-timed" and "ill-considered."
But now that Romney's position has been proven wrong, he says he supported the president's approach all along. That's bull. Mitt Romney might wish he were an Etch-A-Sketch capable of erasing history with a few shakes of his wrist, and his campaign might believe that he is, but as he's going to find out in this campaign, he's not.

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  •  Come on, Jed! (18+ / 0-)

    That was Pro-Choice, Pro-Obamacare Romney who opposed that strategy.  The Romney 4.0 is severely in favor of it!

    Tunis...Cairo...Tripoli...Wall Street

    by GreenSooner on Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 10:32:00 AM PDT

  •  This is probably one thing Mitt was correct (0+ / 0-)

    about - Osama was harmlessly enconsed in his pornography-laden lair - might as well have let sleeping dogs lie.

    Instead of infuriate Pakistan, further damaging our relations with that already fragile country.  Not smart, not smart at all.

    •  You have got to be joking . (12+ / 0-)

      "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

      by indycam on Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 10:37:01 AM PDT

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      •  I think by "harmlessly" he means (6+ / 0-)

        "Bin Laden determined to strike in the U.S."

        Can we haz Noot for nomyknee?

        by filby on Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 10:39:33 AM PDT

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        •  Well, he didn't (0+ / 0-)

          he was aware of the 9.11 plot, but that's about it.

          He didn't do anything of substance, like plan or finance it . . . .

          •  ... (0+ / 0-)

            "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

            by indycam on Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 06:06:09 PM PDT

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            •  I'll put the New Yorker up against (0+ / 0-)

              Disney's news channel any day, twice on thursdays:  THE MASTERMIND: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and the making of 9/11

              •  ... (0+ / 0-)


                Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who faces charges in connection with the 11 September 2001 attacks in the US, is regarded as one of the most senior operatives in Osama Bin Laden's al-Qaeda network.
                In the late 1980s he moved to Pakistan's north-western city of Peshawar, where he became acquainted with Bin Laden.
                and it is not ABC's words you need to listen to , its OBL's words on the tape that you need to listen to . Listen to what OBL says about the attack .
                You said OBL  
                he didn't he was aware of the 9.11 plot, but that's about it.
                He didn't do anything of substance, like plan or finance it . . . .
                but from OBL's own words its clear he was in on the plan and attack .

                "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

                by indycam on Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 07:54:45 PM PDT

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                •  I said he was aware of it (0+ / 0-)

                  That'a about all.

                  Seriously, read the New Yorker article.

                  You might learn something, in contrast to the constant crap and  propaganda put out by the MSM . . . . . (not sure if you're interested in doing that or not, but I assume that a few people out there are since the New Yorker seems to be staying in business by putting out article after article the rebuts the drivel found in the mainstream press)

                  •  My favorite article from the New Yorker was (0+ / 0-)

                    WHO KILLED THE MIDDLE CLASS?
                    my second favorite was
                    "THE CHINOS' ARTFUL HARVEST"

                    You might learn something,
                    SKM was an underling to OBL , that is just the truth . OBL had the money , OBL was in on the planning , OBL said on tape that he was in on the idea , he talk about what damage it would do , he said it would do more than other thought .
                    He says that on tape . The underlings were trained to not shift blame upward ?

                    Is the BBC "MSM" / drivel to you ?

                    "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

                    by indycam on Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 08:16:30 PM PDT

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                    •  Yes, when the BBC reports falsehoods, that is (0+ / 0-)

                      drivel - in any event, I see you refuse to read the New Yorker article.

                      Whatever, I suppose that's just you doing your small part in being a good American (since, in reality, Bin Laden had very, very little to do with 9.11).

                      •  You "see" that I refuse ? (0+ / 0-)

                        You don't see anything but what you want to see .
                        I got the new New Yorker out of the PO Box yesterday .


                        We had agreed with [the September 11] overall commander, Mohammed Atta, may God rest his soul, to carry out all operations in 20 minutes before Bush and his administration take notice.

                        It never occurred to us that the commander-in-chief of the American forces [Bush] would leave 50,000 citizens in the two towers to face those horrors alone at a time when they most needed him because he thought listening to a child discussing her goat and its ramming was more important than the planes and their ramming of the skyscrapers. This had given us three times the time needed to carry out the operations, thanks be to God ...

                        I guess OBL refused to read the New Yorker article that you have hung your hat on . Or maybe he was trying to be a good American . Or maybe he got all his info from the MSM .

                        "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

                        by indycam on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 04:08:12 PM PDT

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                      •  The New Yorker's last email to me . (0+ / 0-)
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                        "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

                        by indycam on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 06:29:29 PM PDT

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                  •  And do you remember when the old editor (0+ / 0-)

                    was out and the new editor took over ?
                    Do you recall the issue where the new editor did something over the top ?
                    What was that ? What issue was that in ?

                    "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

                    by indycam on Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 08:29:48 PM PDT

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  •  The Etch-a-Sketch analogy... (9+ / 0-)

    was as spot on as you could have asked for.  Too bad it didn't come from the Dems, but worse for Mittens that it came from one of his own aides...

    How stupid does he believe people really are? Fact checking isn't that hard.  Shit, all you need are the googles and youtubes to disprove most of his bullshit...

  •  He was severely Ron Paul-like (3+ / 0-)
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    legalchic, pamelabrown, nellgwen

    back in the day.

    Because Obama wasn't.

    "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

    by Geekesque on Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 10:35:09 AM PDT

  •  His head is full of sand ? (6+ / 0-)

    And the wind piles it up in different drifts on different days ?

    "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

    by indycam on Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 10:36:03 AM PDT

  •  i don't think... (2+ / 0-)
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    that Romney was actually proven wrong at all. Just because this is a liberal site doesn't mean everything the other side says is wrong. Call him out for the flipflop, if you want. I for one do consider the president's action regarding Osama bin Laden to be ill-considered! (Maybe not ill-timed...)

    And more than that, it certainly has NOT helped "draw more friends into this effort." We don't have the right to invade other sovereign nations, even when our most wanted guy is inside. Although there are some questions about Pakistan's complicitness in hiding OBL, they were still our ally.

    Bad move. I also think killing him was a huge loss intelligence-wise, and a huge missed opportunity to show that we are capable of the legal and humane treatment of even our most-hated guy.

    Instead we invade another country without notifying them, kill a handful of people, and kill a prime source of intelligence.

    Just to preempt any responses, I realize there are "good" reasons for those things (such as actually not wanting to have OBL share his history of interactions with the US/CIA, etc). But that doesn't make Romney wrong in this case (as much as...sigh, it hurts to say.)

    •  Also (3+ / 0-)
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      pythonS, gratuitous, i love san fran

      Bin Laden was not "brought to justice."  He was captured, shot to death, and then his body was dumped in the sea.  

      We had the Nuremberg trials for a reason, after all.  Trials matter.  Justice matters.

      •  Indeed (2+ / 0-)
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        i love san fran, MPociask

        I'm so old, I remember when "brought to justice" meant putting a wrong-doer on trial in open court, presenting evidence and allowing for cross-examination and all that due process mumbo jumbo. Apparently, the meaning of the term has expanded nowadays. I'm trying to trim my ideals to fit this year's fashion, but I keep getting hung up on the language in some quaint old documents.

    •  We should have just asked him to... (4+ / 0-)
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      legalchic, sherlyle, doroma, nellgwen

      turn himself in for questioning.  Or told Pakistan where Bin Laden was and had them arrest him - like they didn't know where he was living for those 8 years.  

    •  What load of bullshit. (6+ / 0-)
      I realize there are "good" reasons for those things (such as actually not wanting to have OBL share his history of interactions with the US/CIA, etc).
      OBL was a minor figure used by the CIA in a covert war against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.

      Way too much conspiracy theory in that aspect of your comment and a lot of faux leftism.  

      I'm from the Elizabeth Warren and Darcy Burner Wing of the Democratic Party!

      by TomP on Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 10:47:47 AM PDT

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    •  What's Wrong, IMHO... (0+ / 0-) accepting the alternative which follows your analysis, which is allowing OBL to continue to live in safety, indeed in luxury (as opposed to a cave), and with impunity, by mere geographic location - despite the slaughters of 9/11.

      "Force is as pitiless to the man who possesses it, or thinks he does, as it is to its victims; the second it crushes, the first it intoxicates.” Simone Weil

      by chuco35 on Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 10:56:28 AM PDT

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  •  I recall an even more damning quote from Romney... (3+ / 0-)
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    TomP, sherlyle, nellgwen

    but for the life of me I can't find it.  In it he basically said Bin Laden wasn't a concern of his.  

  •  Romney lies. (7+ / 0-)

    I'm from the Elizabeth Warren and Darcy Burner Wing of the Democratic Party!

    by TomP on Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 10:43:11 AM PDT

    •  Yes, he does TomP (3+ / 0-)
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      as Rachel so diligently documented last night on her show.

      BTW, Jed, if I'm here and see a diary referring to "Mr. Etch-A-Sketch", especially in the title, I'm gonna rec. it.  Repetition upon repetition is needed for this to reach the nonpolitical junkies.

      I still think that pocket Etch-A-sketches should be distributed at the Dem. National Convention.

  •  He's a Muppet - The words come out of the mouth (3+ / 0-)
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    sherlyle, eve, leonard145b

    but the thoughts come from the hand methinks inside the party suit and change with each new episode of "Romney's Big Adventure". Move over Pee-Wee Herman.

    just because man invented God, does not mean that God does not exist

    by MikeMcShea on Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 10:44:20 AM PDT

  •  You Can Bet Letting The Air Out Of OBL... (4+ / 0-)
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    sherlyle, eve, nellgwen, leonard145b

    ...will be as much part of the 2012 campaign, as failing to get him, and what to do about it, was a part of the 2008 campaign. Rove is trying to inoculate the public on this overwhelming D advantage.

    "Force is as pitiless to the man who possesses it, or thinks he does, as it is to its victims; the second it crushes, the first it intoxicates.” Simone Weil

    by chuco35 on Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 10:45:50 AM PDT

    •  Bush started pressing the valve way back when, (1+ / 0-)
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      saying "I just don't think about him that much" but amping up the search close to the 2004 election.

      But of Romney wouldn't have done what Obama did, by Rove's squawk isn't he a lesser candidate?

      •  Well... (0+ / 0-)

        Willard and everyone else is now saying they would have done the same thing as Obama. Taking it one layer deeper, and saying that it was a routine, mundane, decision that anyone in that position would have taken, is another kettle of fish. Obama's people will trounce the Rs on that argument, as they can't come out looking bad any way you cut it (except for the argument of "over-tooting" your own horn as Rove uses).

        "Force is as pitiless to the man who possesses it, or thinks he does, as it is to its victims; the second it crushes, the first it intoxicates.” Simone Weil

        by chuco35 on Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 11:20:51 AM PDT

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    •  after skimming Rove's piece in the WSJ (1+ / 0-)
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      I googled Rove's bio.
      It's quite different from the one Rove has up on his own web site.

      I suggest reading this, if one wishes to do so, on an empty stomach because what the wikipedia bio says is pretty sickening re: Rove and those who used him, such as George H W Bush after Bush learned of Rove's dirty tricks and apparently admired them.

      Towards the end of the bio, one learns how George H W Bush, being in a position of power to arbitrate a "fair" resolution between Rove and another Republican, chose to stab that other Republican in the back and hire the dirty trickster Rove.

      How on earth is George H W Bush looked up to in the Republican Party?

      Well, as for Karl Rove, the only way to stomach "turd blossom" is how Stephen Colbert does it. Smack a pair of glasses on a large ham, straight from the ham can and voila.
      check out about half way through this vid, when ham head shows up.
      p.s. In this bio one learns that Rove had help from nice guys who turned the other cheek - too bad that was NOT a good idea.

  •  We need to stop pushing the "Etch-a-sketch" thing (1+ / 0-)
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    Nancy on Lake Michigan

    and start pushing what his campaign manager was really saying, "Romney's a phony". It will be easy for Romney to blow off the "Etch-a-sketch" statement as bloviation by his campaign manager. It will be much harder for him to blow off the "phony" label.

    I'm no philosopher, I am no poet, I'm just trying to help you out - Gomez (from the song Hamoa Beach)

    by jhecht on Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 10:46:44 AM PDT

    •  Nonsense, now-you-see-it-now-you-don't (4+ / 0-)

      property of etch-a-sketches is the PERFECT metaphor for the exact kind of phony he is.   Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth!  It doesn't matter WHO said it as long as it was a Republican.

      "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

      by lgmcp on Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 11:02:10 AM PDT

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    •  "Phony" doesn't come ready-made with a prop (1+ / 0-)
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      Etch-a-Sketch is a self-inflicted wound by Team rMONEY with a near universally recognized visual prompt as added bonus. It's going to stick because Santorum and Gingrich are going to use it for the next few weeks and help embed it into the campaign narrative.

      Let's not abandon what amounts to Manna from Heaven because some other tool that we may or may not be able to create and effectively utilize might be "more aesthetically pleasing."

      When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative. --Martin Luther King Jr.

      by Egalitare on Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 11:13:56 AM PDT

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  •  Does etch-a-sketch-man actually have (1+ / 0-)
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    the audacity to show up for his debate against President Obama?

    "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

    by Sybil Liberty on Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 10:46:59 AM PDT

  •  Facts, reality don't matter 2 Repubs. What matters (1+ / 0-)
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    is which team you root for.

    If Obama endorsed driving on the right side of the street and stopping when the traffic signal turns red, Repubs would oppose it because Obama is a Democrat (among other things), and those kinds of peoples is Bad Peoples, and we doesn't likes Bad Peoples.

    If Republican Newt Gingrich suggests founding the 51st State on the Moon, it's a great idea!

    Don't let millionaires steal Social Security.
    I said, "Don't let millionaires steal Social Security!"

    by Leo in NJ on Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 10:53:51 AM PDT

  •  couple points: (1+ / 0-)
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    In regard to Rove's comments and selective editing of the Wall Street Journal, it is well established that WSJ is not a fair source of news. It is a poor source of right wing talking points. Few value what they have to say other than extreme right wing tea party people. Rove is very unpopular in this country (and around the world). His words, therefore, won't be given credibility by any people other than rabid right wingers. The rest of us dismiss anything he might have to say out of hand. The selective editing simply demonstrates why we are right to do so. Rove is commonly called "Bush's brain". In light of the "accomplishments of Bush, that is quite a statement. This was a guy who was the brains behind the policies that nearly bankrupted the world and brought an end to Western Civilization. This alone marks him as the one of the worst human beings of all time. It is well known that he is a dirty scumbag who won't hesitate to pass along vile lies even about members of his own party.

    The opposition by Mitt Romney was not one of principle. Since Mitt Romney has no principles other than that he should be President, this much is obvious prima facie. Rather, this was opposition for its own sake. Romney's record of pandering to whatever group whose support he is trying to win naturally led to the right wing's suspicion of him. Since the rabid right wingers in the Republican Party who make up its base hate without reason the President, an easy way to make points among these people is to oppose the President on any issue. Mitt Romney's only international experience is shipping jobs overseas and banking in Switzerland. The supposed expert on the Republican side of foreign policy was completely wrong on how to find and capture/kill Bin Laden, John McCain. President Obama clearly knew what he was doing.

    Other than extreme right wing Republicans, almost all other voters will give the President a lot of credit for capturing / killing Osama Bin Laden. Attempting to detract from that accomplishment won't succeed with independents. Thus, it is only heard and received among those who have already closed their mind to the possibility that this President might have accomplished something worthwhile.

  •  But, but, but. . . . (2+ / 0-)
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    hayden, nellgwen

    The Etch-a-Sketch Statement is the only truthful Statement that has come from the Romney Campaign!

    We should at least give the Credit to them for telling truth, finally.

    Impeach Grover Norquist! Defeat a Republican!

    by NM Ray on Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 10:54:34 AM PDT

  •  We need a new acronym (2+ / 0-)
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    In addition to IOKIYAR, we need IOGIYAR [It's Only Good If You're A Republican].

  •  O/T but (1+ / 0-)
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    I'm tripping out on the tiger face in the mirrored purple inkblot background of the picture.

  •  i'm imagining the first obama-romney debate... (1+ / 0-)
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    obama whips out an etch-a-sketch, watch romney melt down.  not that obama would do it, but i can dream, can't i?

  •  What did he say, again? (1+ / 0-)
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    "I do not concur in the words of Barack Obama in a plan to enter an ally of ours... I don't think those kinds of comments help in this effort to draw more friends to our effort,"
    Does Romney have a coherence problem? I think he does.

    "Corruptio Optimi Pessima" (Corruption of the best is the worst)

    by zenox on Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 11:06:28 AM PDT

  •  Mitt Romney is a black, shiny chunk of carbon (0+ / 0-)

    in the bottom of your oven that smells faintly of burned butter.

    I'd rather have a buntle afrota-me than a frottle a bunta-me.

    by David54 on Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 11:14:32 AM PDT

  •  Romney a patholical liar..see Maddow last nite (1+ / 0-)
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    She nailed him for the non stop liar he is, even on the stupid stuff.

  •  Etch-A-Sketch candidate the movie will air in 13 (1+ / 0-)
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    "Rick Perry talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans." --- James Carville

    by LaurenMonica on Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 11:24:45 AM PDT

  •  Wow- (2+ / 0-)
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    was looking on Youtube for an Etch-a-sketch ad I remember as a kid, and the first 5 hits are about Romney.

    Who needs Santorum?

    We already have death panels. They're called insurance companies.

    by aztecraingod on Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 11:28:45 AM PDT

  •  Ohio Art, the company that sells Etch-a-sketch (2+ / 0-)
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    nellgwen, Brother Love

    had a good day in the market.  Their stock price is up 140%.

    I'm not liberal. I'm actually just anti-evil, OK? - Elon James White

    by Satya1 on Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 11:29:58 AM PDT

  •  If Mitt Had Killed OBL...... (1+ / 0-)
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    somehow he would have been deader.  Just like the auto loan.  Mitt could have done it better.   GM is now the #1 automobile manufacturer in the entire world, but that's not good enough for Mitt.  

    Bain Capital refused to give a loan to GM, just like every other private company.  President Obama made the decision not to let our manufacturing base wither away.  

    Republicans know that.....and they can't stand it.  Instead they've conducted 11 sham investigations into the Dept of Energy & taxpayer's expense.  

    China beat out Solyndra.  That's why they call it the "free market".  


  •  is Romney a Mormon or a Moron? (1+ / 0-)
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    what, I'm just asking the question, jeez!

  •  I think he's Italian (0+ / 0-)

    like Pinocchio.
    but without Jiminy Cricket.

    "Well Mr. Santorum, it's just that you're an evil, boring, creepy, piece of cardboard." "You're not being very nice." "Have some soup."

    by nellgwen on Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 12:12:25 PM PDT

  •  It could be worse (0+ / 0-)

    When people ask: How are  you?

    I respoind: It could be worse.  Bin Laden could be alive and GM could be dead.

    Until today, I didn't have support for the first part of that response.

    I remember the last Annual Kos in Chicago.  That was the week Obama's statement on Pakistan was being attacked by the Republicans.  Obama made a full defense of his line in the break out session.

    Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens.

    by MoDem on Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 07:25:42 PM PDT

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