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Karl Rove
Paid liar Karl Rove.
Did you know Wall Street is the new black people? Or maybe conservative special interest groups are the new black people. In any event, trying to get transparency on which companies are donating unholy gobs of cash to Super PACs in an effort to sway elections in their favor is definitely just like segregation, because Karl Rove says so:
Karl Rove said Monday that efforts by state treasurers to make hedge funds that manage state pension funds disclose donations to “super PACs” are meant to intimidate donors, comparing the situation to efforts by segregationists to scare NAACP donors in the 1950s. [...]

“I think it’s a sign of their fear of democracy, and it’s interesting that they have antecedents and those antecedents are a bunch of segregationist attorneys general trying to shut down the NAACP, it goes to the philosophy behind most of this.”

The Unholy Maw of Sponsored Plutocracy may have a point here, if you consider that ... um ... hmm. No, there's no goddamn way he has a point here. I don't think saying that maybe corporations doing business with state pension funds maybe ought to disclose how much money they may be blowing to "anonymously" influence elections and legislation in those states really counts as oppressing anyone. The Republican Party, of course, feels very differently, and is pretty sure that corporations are the most oppressed people on the planet, much more oppressed than those nasty actual citizens that are always hectoring them.

I think we have to remember, every once in a while, that we really should be astonished when the movers and shakers of the conservative movement say such asinine and offensive things. It's hard to do, since there's been so much of it, but really: does Karl Rove really think campaign finance disclosure laws represents a form of segregation? Really? Or is he just peddling bullshit because, by golly, a group of entirely anonymous corporations get to pay him cash to peddle bullshit on their behalves, happily knowing they can hide said bullshit-peddling from the public so as to not tarnish their brand name by associating with it? Good Lord, what a happy prostitute this man is. I bet with enough of a cash donation, there's literally nothing we couldn't get him to say. All it would take is some billionaire with deep pockets and Karl Rove would start advocating liberalism, free love or to return the Fed to the Cheese Standard.

The ability for corporations to write our laws and elect our leaders should be a national disgrace, which is exactly why they're so determined nobody find out quite how much they're spending, and for what. But truly, what a cowardly position.

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  •  Interesting how (19+ / 0-)

    folks like Rove find the "niggras" useful in so many ways:  picking cotton, serving, ironing, raping and co-opting actual struggles.

    Fucking asshole.

    Vi er alle norske " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Mon Apr 02, 2012 at 03:34:00 PM PDT

  •  GOP Platform 2012 (12+ / 0-)

    Karl Rove, the Koch Brothers, the Heritage Foundation, Cato Institute, and the Republican National Committee have announced that they have developed a new platform for 2012.  They are encouraging all of their candidates to endorse the platform and the principles that are stated therein:

    Wealth without Work
    Pleasure without Conscience
    Science without Humanity
    Knowledge without Character
    Politics without Principle
    Commerce without Morality
    Worship without Sacrifice
    When Rove was asked whether there was any reason that the new GOP Platform seemed to mirror the Seven Deadly Sins of Mahatma Gandhi, Rove seemed surprised.

    Rove stated that the Platform was the result of a great deal of thought and consultation of the greatest conservative minds in the Republican Party.  After a great deal of discussion, the Republican Party leaders all agreed that this Platform summarized the ideals of today's GOP in a clear and concise statement.

    Impeach Grover Norquist! Defeat a Republican!

    by NM Ray on Mon Apr 02, 2012 at 03:36:32 PM PDT

  •  All he is doing (5+ / 0-)

    is putting out talking points.

    Now let's watch and see how many buy his line.

    I am not religious, and did NOT say I enjoyed sects.

    by trumpeter on Mon Apr 02, 2012 at 03:37:37 PM PDT

  •  Race (1+ / 0-)
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    What is it, 98% of blacks are going to voter for Obama and democrats?  Hispanics are overwhelming democratic now from the last poll I saw.

    So, making anything and everything about race does nothing more than keep our own base in our house.  Here on kos, it gets people good "recs" but at the end of the day, we all know that republicans are racists and we all know they will continue to be so and we all know that regardless of what we say here we have the minority vote sewn up.

    I really want to see more posts about issues other than race.  I know diaries about race always get a lot of respondents but we need to discuss jobs and gasolline prices and the economy and the preeminent republican nominee Romney.  

    Only horses should wear blinders.

    by independantman on Mon Apr 02, 2012 at 03:41:01 PM PDT

  •  Wow. (5+ / 0-)

    I guess it's always a good idea to recall that Bush's Brain does not compute with rational input, let alone decent boundaries.
    Remember his first foray into the world of politics was shaped by his beloved (first to go to jail in Watergate crew) Jeb Magruder - they were getting into the manipulation of computer data for political profiling way back then. And his first big splash onto the scene was his reprimand-worthy hiring of the homeless to send to a black tie Democratic Fund Raiser.
    He's a bundle of remarkable evasion of criminal liability. He doesn't like it when there is even a chance that someone may look behind his curtain.

  •  I just can't get over the fact (7+ / 0-)

    that I've never seen Porky Pig and Karl Rove in the same place at the same time.

    The way to combat noxious ideas is with other ideas. The way to combat falsehoods is with truth. - William O. Douglas

    by PSzymeczek on Mon Apr 02, 2012 at 03:43:25 PM PDT

  •  Gawd, do we have to see that fuckhole's piggy (1+ / 0-)
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  •  It's not as if a human being said it, it was (2+ / 0-)
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    hnichols, filby

    Karl Rove, alien from Planet Bizarro, for chrissakes.

  •  It is a National Disgrace. Also hypocrisy. They (2+ / 0-)
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    hnichols, joynow

    never abide by the Laws - so really care about abusing the Law.

    If you desire a better world - be a better person.

    by laserhaas on Mon Apr 02, 2012 at 03:44:33 PM PDT

    •  The "Laws" seem right to me (2+ / 0-)
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      laserhaas, laurnj

      Wealth without Work
      Most of them didn't "work" for their wealth. The koch boys did inheriting
      and most let their money make money

      Pleasure without Conscience
      Any evidence they have a Conscience?

      Obviously they should start right out with
      Politics without Principle
      Commerce without Morality

      They should have facial tattoos made of these but they live down to them so beautifully they speak for themselves.

      Honesty from republicans!!!

  •  His donors hate sunlight Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! (4+ / 0-)
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    hnichols, laserhaas, laurnj, gsenski

    Republicans take care of big money, for big money takes care of them ~ Will Rogers

    by Lefty Coaster on Mon Apr 02, 2012 at 03:44:52 PM PDT

  •  Undisclosed Super PAC donors... (5+ / 0-)
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    hnichols, kitebro, filby, laurnj, rosabw

    are modern day Anne Franks.

  •  Mr. Rove would have a point (1+ / 0-)
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    if disclosure lead to a series of lynchings of hedge funds...except you can't exactly lynch a hedge fund, now can you? They don't have any neck.

  •  Just throwing it out there; that's all. (2+ / 0-)
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    hnichols, chrismorgan

    There's absolutely no price to pay for this. If anyone said "Hey Karl, we're not inviting you onto our show, or to write editorials, anymore because you're dumb as dirt, clearly hate this country and are possibly a racist as well," he's shape up.

    But no one, particularly Fox News, is going to tell him that. So it's an absolute free pass to say whatever he wants, and whoever doesn't like it, well, they'll Etch-A-Sketch it from his reputation.

    Fight until we win. Then we can begin arguing about the details. - Kwickkick (RIP) 2009

    by RickMassimo on Mon Apr 02, 2012 at 03:48:54 PM PDT

  •  Rove should be in jail (6+ / 0-)

    for the  Valerie Plame lies and all the other lies, too many to list. The Gop have been Carpet Bomb lying for a long time now, just look at Rmoney~~

    America, We blow stuff up!!

    by IndyinDelaware on Mon Apr 02, 2012 at 03:49:40 PM PDT

  •  Why does he hate capitalism so much? (2+ / 0-)
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    hnichols, chrismorgan

    After all, those state pension funds are OWNERS of the companies involved here.  Don't they have a right to know what is being done with their money?

    Ultimately, the only thing that matters with respect to preserving choice is who will be nominating the next Supreme Court Justices.

    by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Mon Apr 02, 2012 at 03:51:45 PM PDT

  •  Uh, "possibly?" How kind of you. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    Ginny in CO

    I can just about forgive the Brits for starting our revolutionary war and burning DC to the ground during the war of 1812 for giving us Led Zeppelin.

    by Pager on Mon Apr 02, 2012 at 03:53:13 PM PDT

  •  Rove and his ilk have no shame. (3+ / 0-)
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    filby, independantman, Eric Nelson

    They specialize in making these perverse, tasteless, offensive, and inaccurate analogies and the MSM simply repeats it without challenge.

    History will not judge them kindly.

    Santorum: Man on Dog; Romney: Dog on Car. Ren and Stimpy: Dog on Cat

    by commonmass on Mon Apr 02, 2012 at 03:54:58 PM PDT

  •  The Best Government Money Can Buy (0+ / 0-)

    Just Don't Ask WHO is Doing the BUYING.

    The CRIME that Used to Be Called Bribery is Now
    refered to as "Standard Operating Procedures".

    On Giving Advice: Smart People Don't Need It and Stupid People Don't Listen

    by Brian76239 on Mon Apr 02, 2012 at 03:55:09 PM PDT

  •  'Cause the Koch brothers are just like (2+ / 0-)
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    AdamSelene, laurnj

    donors to the NAACP during the fifties and sixties. I'm sure they're scared to death an angry mob will come to their house and burn it down or something. Yeah, that must be why they want privacy because otherwise they just don't want anyone to know what they're up to because they're assholes and you know that's not it.

    (Ouch, strained a sarc muscle on that one. Hate it when that happens.)

  •  A little OT, but speaking of secrecy, (4+ / 0-)

    nondisclosure, and corporations manipulating democracy behind the scenes:

    Arizona's mining industry is pushing a bill that would shield cases of environmental contamination from civil lawsuits and penalties.

    It would also allow companies to keep those cases secret, prompting an outcry from environmental advocates who say it would lead to cover-ups instead of cleanups....AZ Republic

    And get this:
    The bill would give companies a "privilege" of keeping their findings to themselves and out of the courts.
    Sandy Bahr, director of the club's Grand Canyon chapter, ticks off a number of objections: The bill would prevent regulators such as the Arizona Department of Environmental Quality from using any audit findings during an inspection; it would penalize whistle-blowers if they divulged confidential information; and it would keep information out of the public record.

    Bahr also said the secrecy provisions suggest there's something to hide. "Show me where such a program has actually increased compliance," she said. "How does secrecy help compliance?"

    stay together / learn the flowers / go light - Gary Snyder

    by Mother Mags on Mon Apr 02, 2012 at 03:58:37 PM PDT

    •  Probably using the NRA tactics (3+ / 0-)
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      laserhaas, Eric Nelson, Mother Mags

      that got the weapons manufacturers freedom from suits that involve firearms.

      Another objection to keeping the findings secret:
      People in the areas of contamination would not be informed of signs and symptoms to report to their physicians. The physicians would not be informed of signs and symptoms to look, test and ask about.

      Delayed medical intervention, more deaths, and bankruptcies.

      Yup, knowledge is power. No telling what it will destroy if allowed to be disseminated.

      "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

      by Ginny in CO on Mon Apr 02, 2012 at 04:45:16 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  In a way, I suppose Rove is right (1+ / 0-)
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    I do want to see Super PAC donors intimidated by the threat of disclosure so that they give less money.  There are, I suppose, structural similarities to the way that segregationists attacked the NAACP, but I see no reason to be ashamed of those similarities.

    •  I agree (0+ / 0-)

      The reason we want that information public is so that we can put pressure on the donors giving to rotten campaigns, or perhaps to put pressure on campaigns being supported by rotten donors.  Definitely a type of intimidation.

      The issue is one of power imbalance, however (as false equivalencies so often are).  A member of the NAACP during Jim Crow might have lost their life or their livelihood thanks to the powerful people in favor of segregation; corporate and wealthy donors are in no such danger.

  •  The Cons have won and now don't know what to do (1+ / 0-)
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    I've argued it for many years now, and others got it before me, but what is happening now is no accident. Deep pockets like the Kochs have been targeting the pillars of our society for assimilation for decades now, and they've been very successful. Through all sorts of insidious methods, they essentially own the media, the politicians, the Supremes, Wall Street, and most of the wingnuts. Other than us poor lefties clinging to our unions, that's pretty much everything. Their only problem is they don't know how long they can keep the puppet show going. As with oil, they count on an endless supply of repercussion-less stupidity.

  •  Disclosure rules bad (1+ / 0-)
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    Password requests good, which explains why many job applicants are being asked to disclose their Facebook/other passwords. What's good for the SupaPacman does not apply to ordinary mortals. Constitution be damned!

  •  Rec'd for calling Rove an (1+ / 0-)
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    idiot in the title.  Oh, great diary, btw.

    The thing about democracy, beloveds, is that it is not neat, orderly, or quiet. It requires a certain relish for confusion. Molly Ivins

    by MufsMom on Mon Apr 02, 2012 at 04:18:32 PM PDT

  •  I wonder if Rove knows of these quotes (3+ / 0-)
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    Ginny in CO, laserhaas, Eric Nelson

    from Kennedy and Scalia in the Citizens United decision:

    Justice Anthony Kennedy:

    "The First Amendment protects political speech; disclosure permits citizens to react to the speech of corporate entities in a proper way. Transparency enables the electorate to make informed decisions and give proper weight to different speakers and messages."
    Justice Antonin Scalia:
    "There are laws against threats and intimidations; and harsh criticism, short of unlawful action, is a price our people have to pay for self-governance. Requiring people to stand up in public for their political acts fosters civil courage, without which democracy is doomed. For my part, I do not look forward to a society which, thanks to the Supreme Court, campaigns anonymously and even exercises the direct democracy of initiative and referendum hidden from public scrutiny...this does not resemble the Home of the Brave."

    The spirit of liberty is the spirit which is not too sure that it is right. -- Judge Learned Hand, May 21, 1944

    by ybruti on Mon Apr 02, 2012 at 04:21:17 PM PDT

    •  And a Republican legislator who is supporting (2+ / 0-)
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      laserhaas, Eric Nelson

      AB1648, the California Disclose Act now working its way through the legislature, says this:

      “People have the right to know who is funding political campaigns and where the true support or opposition comes from. It is time to move California to the forefront in campaign disclosure."

      The spirit of liberty is the spirit which is not too sure that it is right. -- Judge Learned Hand, May 21, 1944

      by ybruti on Mon Apr 02, 2012 at 05:03:21 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  sidebar: (2+ / 0-)
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    laserhaas, Eric Nelson

    Diagnosing the Republican Brain
    Fact: Conservatives deny science and facts

    Accumulating data about you isn't just a strange hobby for these corporations [Google, Facebook] it's their whole business model, said Sen. Al Franken. And you are not their client. You are their product.

    by anyname on Mon Apr 02, 2012 at 04:21:34 PM PDT

  •  Isn't Rove a segregationist? (1+ / 0-)
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     So now Rove is comparing segregation to Super Pac disclosure rules?    When did Rove turn against segregation?  Isn't he one of the guys who developed the GOP Southern Strategy?   We cannot support his argument when it comes from a liberal viewpoint because he's not a liberal and not even close to being one.

  •  Democracy = billionaires' superpacs. Catch that li (2+ / 0-)
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    laurnj, laserhaas

    ttle admission by Mr. IdoTreasonforVotes?  

    Says to all.

  •  Funny, this: (1+ / 0-)
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    Eric Nelson
    The Unholy Maw of Sponsored Plutocracy may have a point here, if you consider that ... um ... hmm. No, there's no goddamn way he has a point here.
    Laughed out loud and knew right away, without looking at the writer's name, who wrote it.

    Hunter, I love your writing style!

    202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

    by cany on Mon Apr 02, 2012 at 05:02:08 PM PDT

  •  His ugly ass should have (1+ / 0-)
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    Eric Nelson

    been in jail a long time ago.  Ugly people start a lot of trouble, wars, conflict period.

  •  YES THAT"S RIGHT Karl... (1+ / 0-)
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    Oh Mary Oh

    What a righteous man...and lookie heah...some on the left are doing everything they can to keep corporations from having the right to vote...

    We're just like the KKK!!!

    "If the only prayer you said in your whole life was, 'thank you,' that would suffice." Eckhart von Hochheim O.P. (c. 1260 – c. 1327)

    by rosabw on Mon Apr 02, 2012 at 07:12:23 PM PDT

  •  I see. Liberals dream of an apartheid state (1+ / 0-)
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    Oh Mary Oh

    where corporations would not enjoy the same rights as so-called 'regular people'. In order to fight this tendency you need affirmative action in favor of corporations.
    They have a point there, let's hope Mitt bases his campaigns on arguments in that vein.

    Quisquis sollers subtilisque sententia a praeclaro antiquo Sapiente latine scripta, sicut consuetudo est apud Kossackos.

    by French Imp on Tue Apr 03, 2012 at 01:41:19 AM PDT

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