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It's not breaking news that Cardinal Timothy Dolan, the president of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, has been engaging in some serious false witnessing when it comes to women's health care and the Church's full assault on it in the name of, um, freedomz 'n stuff. Dolan has fully embraced his new role as de facto mouthpiece for the Republican Party, happily appearing on TV to do the party's dirty work of blasting President Obama and the Democrats, while conveniently ignoring the many positions of the Republican Party—like the Ryan budget plan—to which the Church supposedly objects, but without threats of lawsuits, hunger strikes, or calls for violent resistance.

But on Face the Nation, host Bob Schieffer helped the cardinal and the Republican Party by repeating these blatant falsehoods about the health care mandate to cover birth control:

Well, there was certainly no duct tape on your mouth when the president came out and let it be known that his health care plan included Catholic institutions having to buy birth control pills for their employees in churches, in schools, and in hospitals.
Epic fail, Bob. While that absurd claim has been repeated ad nauseum by Republicans and bishops, it's also 100 percent false. The president's mandate—from the very beginning, even before he tweaked it to "accommodate" the faux concerns about religious liberty—specifically exempts churches. (An exemption, by the way, that should be unnecessary, since Catholics don't use birth control, right?)

As for Church-affiliated institutions, like schools and hospitals, the president gave them a special loophole too by allowing them to opt out of the mandate and shift the burden of coverage directly onto the insurance companies:

The new compromise offered by the White House is that the insurer for the religious entities in question, rather than the employer, would be responsible for providing contraceptive coverage free of charge for employees. Insurers would also be responsible for informing employees of those benefits.
So, in other words, what Schieffer said was completely wrong. And the following five-minute lie-filled rant from Cardinal Dolan about how women's health care violates freedomz 'n stuff was also the sort of thing one might expect a Very Serious Journalist such as Schieffer to actually correct. But when such a Very Serious Journalist as Schieffer clearly has no idea what he's talking about, I guess it makes sense that he'd sit there and nod along with the cardinal instead of challenging him to make sure the audience at home gets the facts instead of the spin. You know, like a Very Serious Journalist should.

Originally posted to Kaili Joy Gray on Mon Apr 09, 2012 at 09:48 AM PDT.

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  •  Not Bob Scheiffer?!?!?!? (20+ / 0-)

    I get your point, but Schieffer is an idiot of longstanding.

    Hell, I can not even attribute malice to him necessarily.

    He is one of the dumbest people in public life. up there with Grassley.

  •  Scheiffer once inadvertently made some... (9+ / 0-)

    painfully accurate observations about the incompetence of certain George W. Bush administration members around the time of Katrina. I made the mistake of thinking he had a soul.

    Since that time, Ol' Bob has been a consistent kiss ass for the corporate powers that be.

  •  Bob Shieffer is way past his "sell by date!" (8+ / 0-)

    And that comes from another senior citizen!

  •  You expect too much (4+ / 0-)

    from Schieffer. He has been a putz forever.

    "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

    by happy camper on Mon Apr 09, 2012 at 10:16:25 AM PDT

  •  in greece when TV journalists give legitimacy (7+ / 0-)

    to hate groups and those who provide false information, they get treated much differently than they do here:

    hope springs eternal and DAMN is she getting tired!

    by alguien on Mon Apr 09, 2012 at 10:16:30 AM PDT

  •  Just look at those two faces. (15+ / 0-)

    Old, white, male, and mean as hell.  Young women better wake up if they don't want these grumpy geezers to roll back 100 years of progress.  

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Mon Apr 09, 2012 at 10:17:04 AM PDT

  •  Please -- (0+ / 0-)

    find something important to FP.

    "I've seen the flame of hope among the hopeless/ And that was truly the biggest heartbreak of all" -- Bruce Cockburn

    by Cassiodorus on Mon Apr 09, 2012 at 10:18:14 AM PDT

  •  Do we have contact info so we can (6+ / 0-)

    call or email our complaints about disinformation?

    "I think it is much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers that might be wrong." Richard Feynman

    by leema on Mon Apr 09, 2012 at 10:19:01 AM PDT

  •  Two men (2+ / 0-)

    who control my body.  Get off my body, both of you!

  •  It's not rocket science, Bob (11+ / 0-)

    If a plan covers prescriptions, it should cover prescriptions.  Your employer shouldn't get to choose WHICH prescriptions.

    I have an acquaintence who is an employer who, if given a choice, would not cover lipitor.  He's controlled his cholesterol through a combination of diet, exercise and fantastic genes.  He doesn't need lipitor and therefore doesn't see why anyone else would either.

    Newt Gingrich: Believes marriage is between one man and a series of ever younger women. Wife #1 born ~ 1936, divorced when in her mid-40s...Wife #2 born ~1947, divorced when in her mid-40s...Wife #3 born ~1966.

    by trillian on Mon Apr 09, 2012 at 10:21:05 AM PDT

  •  Bob Scheiffer is a doddering old fool. (1+ / 0-)
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    His mind is too far gone to learn anything new. The staff just props him up and tells him what to say.

    Barack Obama: So morally bankrupt that he thinks people who tortured other people to death should get a pass. Likes to prosecute whistleblowers and pot smokers, though.

    by expatjourno on Mon Apr 09, 2012 at 10:21:11 AM PDT

  •  o/t why are these rc clerics who stand up in (2+ / 0-)
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    positions of authority, TELLING the rest of us JUST WHAT TO DO AND WHAT IS RIGHT TO DO, placing themselves as paragons of example and virtue, why, oh why are most of the obese?

    I thought gluttony was a sin?

    I carry excess baggage myself, but I don't get up and promote myself as a paragon for you follow or tell you how to live your life.  

    I guess its

    do as I say, not as I do...

    I belong to the “US” of America, not the “ME,$,ME,$,ME,$,ME,$” of America!

    by SeaTurtle on Mon Apr 09, 2012 at 10:21:12 AM PDT

    •  Established religion vs personal religious freedom (6+ / 0-)

      Is the Catholic hierarchy implying that its church is the established church in the U.S.?

      If a person chooses not to use artificial contraception, is she  not free not to do so?  However, if a person working for a Catholic institution choose to use contraception, is the Church allowed to deny her being reimbursed for a legal prescription?  In which of these two scenarios is a person's religious liberty being denied? If so, is it because one church has become established? Does its rules trump federal law?

      Nebraska farmers are their own worst enemy.

      by jeturek on Mon Apr 09, 2012 at 10:33:38 AM PDT

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      •  Very well put! --Aspiring to be established church (0+ / 0-)
        Is the Catholic hierarchy implying that its church is the established church in the U.S.?
        Somebody needs to ask Cardinal Dolan exactly that.

        We're all pretty strange one way or another; some of us just hide it better. "Normal" is a dryer setting.

        by david78209 on Mon Apr 09, 2012 at 11:20:13 AM PDT

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      •  I think that the problem… (0+ / 0-)

        …is more that by making contraception and abortion hard to do the hierarchy is interfering with the person's free will, upon the exercise of which he or she will be judged. Cardinal Dolan has every right to announce a doctrine that forbids these acts for Catholics; his parishioners have every right to choose eternal damnation by deciding to ignore their church's doctrine. By interfering with their ability to choose evil, Dolan is diminishing their ability to display virtue and improve their position in heaven by choosing conformity to Dolan's message. By this argument, the church should be strongly in favor of the Affordable Care Act.

        This argument also implies that Dolan should be strongly against any law that uses the power of the state to reduce the freedom of his parishioners to express their moral choices.

        Old man—waiting…

        by Karl Balke on Mon Apr 09, 2012 at 03:50:05 PM PDT

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    •  check my comment below (1+ / 0-)
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      for links; shielding pedophiles is several levels lower in Hell when it comes to sinners

    •  Sitting on your high horse isn't good exercise? nt (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Cardinal Dolan is a disgusting pig (7+ / 0-)

    And he's leading the Catholic Church's efforts to make Obama a one-term president with his lies and hysterical hyperbole.

    "Good God, Lemon! What happened to you in childhood to make you believe people are good?"--Jack Donaghy

    by Scott Wooledge on Mon Apr 09, 2012 at 10:23:40 AM PDT

  •  I believe the comment (1+ / 0-)
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    will get a mostly true from politfact.  You are just parsing the part about who buys it so in reality it is mostly true right?

    •  The key is (1+ / 0-)
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      "institutions".  A hospital or University is an institution.

      "You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity"

      by newfie on Mon Apr 09, 2012 at 10:35:29 AM PDT

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      •  Institutions are like corporations (1+ / 0-)
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        I'll believe they're people when Texas executes one.  In this land, don't we purport to put individual liberties ahead of what groups and government are allowed to impose?  People have consciences and ethics (or at least some people do).  Corporations and institutions don't.  They're intrinsically amoral.  Yeah, some institutions, particularly religious ones, try to behave ethically.  They often fail.  Sometimes they fail spectacularly.

        We're all pretty strange one way or another; some of us just hide it better. "Normal" is a dryer setting.

        by david78209 on Mon Apr 09, 2012 at 11:26:46 AM PDT

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        •  Only when it suits our needs. (0+ / 0-)

          Funny thing about what liberties "we" value.  

          Not sure a corporation or institute is necessarily intrinsically amoral any more than people.  But they carry more weight/have more power and therefore need more guidelines.

          I need to clarify my above statement.  I was adding to the justification Politifact will use to mark the statement as mostly true.

          "You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity"

          by newfie on Mon Apr 09, 2012 at 11:40:38 AM PDT

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  •  aside from his importance to the history of JFK (1+ / 0-)
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    in Dallas, Bob should have retired years ago.

    Epic fail, Bob. While that absurd claim has been repeated ad nauseum by Republicans and bishops, it's also 100 percent false. The president's mandate—from the very beginning, even before he tweaked it to "accommodate" the faux concerns about religious liberty—specifically exempts churches. (An exemption, by the way, that should be unnecessary, since Catholics don't use birth control, right?)

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    by annieli on Mon Apr 09, 2012 at 10:31:07 AM PDT

  •  Another insecure stupid white man (11+ / 0-)

    scared shitless of women having as much power as he does, as much because it violates his unearned male sense of entitlement as because he personally fears being outmatched by women younger and more competent than him.

    To women, the left, and all decent and thinking people, this is all about women's health. To these decrepit old braying hosebags, though, it's about protecting their shrinking and shriveling male prerogatives and privileges, cowardly hiding behind and pretending to be about religious freedom.

    One always has to try to get beyond the public, bullshit reasons to the real, root sources of these issues. This is about power, not religion. This is a circle jerk of epic proportions, in which the self-obsoleting try to block progress (and justness).

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Mon Apr 09, 2012 at 10:33:27 AM PDT

    •  Rant of the week award! (1+ / 0-)
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      To these decrepit old braying hosebags, though, it's about protecting their shrinking and shriveling male prerogatives and privileges, cowardly hiding behind and pretending to be about religious freedom.
      I particularly appreciate the phallic implications in "shrinking and shriveling male perogatives."  It's not just their male perogatives they see shrinking and shriveling.

      We're all pretty strange one way or another; some of us just hide it better. "Normal" is a dryer setting.

      by david78209 on Mon Apr 09, 2012 at 11:31:43 AM PDT

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  •  Meet the Press had another religiously stacked (5+ / 0-)

    deck on Easter Sunday morning that had all guests from a particular religious point of view, but no one really there to articulate a secular, non-religious viewpoint.  They even had a Mormon on the panel, who by the most recent US Census figures at 1.7% of the US population are outnumbered by the avowed Atheist/Agnostics at 4.0%.  Half the panel was talking about how religion is being picked on, yet no one was there to express an opposite viewpoint about how organized religion was attempting to push their view on society at large.  And no one bothered to as the Archbishop why the majority of US Catholics simply ignore the teaching on birth control that has the Bishops all in an uproar.  Religion gets a relatively free ride on our popular media who just goes along with all the conflicting arguments that come from the religious lobby.

    And it feels like I'm livin'in the wasteland of the free ~ Iris DeMent, 1996

    by MrJersey on Mon Apr 09, 2012 at 10:37:21 AM PDT

  •  Would that be this Tim Dolan making these (3+ / 0-)
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    statements about morality:
    http://www.caringforourchildrenfoundation.org/...
    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/...
    http://www.bishop-accountability.org/...
    http://www.bishop-accountability.org/...
    This is only over issues of pedophile priests and the Church concealing assets from their victims; I could post more about his position on LGBT issues or his support of closing hospitals in healthcare shortage areas if they provide contraception services or on any other number of issues.
    The question I have for Bob is, how could he, with a straight face, present this man as a moral authority on anything?

  •  But you cannot challenge a man of god. (4+ / 0-)

    It says so, right there, in the Vatican media handling manual. Being a self proclaimed minor prince, accountable only to the Rat, it leaves him immune to prosecution, to hard questions, and to being questioned about utter lies and deceit that priests so often practice.

    What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

    by agnostic on Mon Apr 09, 2012 at 10:38:47 AM PDT

    •  Actually I was just reading a great (5+ / 0-)
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      and very entertaining history of Rome by Robert Hughes, just so enjoyable. But he discusses in one chapter about the response of the RCC to loss of temporal political power as Italy began to unify and liberal ideas began to sweep through Europe. The RCC response was to become much more authoritarian and doctrinaire. The Pope (Pius IX) used a lot of intimidation on the College of Cardinals to push through infallibility, and the worship of Mary, essentially as a goddess, came also from that time. Hughes thinks that the RCC never recovered from that, and that's the reason we are where we are.

      Fructose is a liver poison. Stop eating it today.

      by Anne Elk on Mon Apr 09, 2012 at 10:48:18 AM PDT

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      •  Historical overtones there (1+ / 0-)
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        ...it leaves him immune to prosecution, ...
        Wasn't that the dispute that got Thomas Becket murdered?  Back then, if a priest was accused of a crime, he got to be tried in an ecclesiastical court rather than in the regular English courts.  

        If we still had that system, we would never have heard about all the pedophile priests.

        We're all pretty strange one way or another; some of us just hide it better. "Normal" is a dryer setting.

        by david78209 on Mon Apr 09, 2012 at 11:38:03 AM PDT

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      •  Mary has always represented (2+ / 0-)
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        the Goddess; they just never want to admit it.  The problem with most Americans is they know very little ancient history, and therefore are ignorant of how many elements of Christianity (virgin birth, baptism, resurrection) are just reworked from other societies.  That's why the Catholic Church used to forbid (later 'discourage') parishioners from reading the bible.    The power to interpret "God's Word" was the exclusive right of the priests.

    •  And when I ever see one, I will remember that! nt (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Disappointing doesn't begin to capture my reaction (2+ / 0-)
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    I hope that your media voice brings some attention to this. It's ridiculous to get something like this so wrong, after it has been all over the media for months.

    My forthcoming book Obama's America: A Transformative Vision of Our National Identity will be published in Summer 2012 by Potomac Books.

    by Ian Reifowitz on Mon Apr 09, 2012 at 10:39:32 AM PDT

  •  Liars lie! (1+ / 0-)
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    That's what they do.  There's no need to clean it up.

    "What Elephant?" - Jimmy Durante, "Jumbo"

    by FresnoBill314 on Mon Apr 09, 2012 at 10:41:34 AM PDT

  •  The Little Condom that Could. (3+ / 0-)
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    Hard to believe those flimsy little things are strong enough to bring the entire Catholic corporate enterprise to its knees :)

    Michigan's new state motto: "Fuckin' Coup"

    by here4tehbeer on Mon Apr 09, 2012 at 10:46:31 AM PDT

  •  Dolan's god doesn't like lies, is the line (0+ / 0-)

    so we can hope for payback.

    Do you think Dolan has allowed for this?  Does he go to confession in trepidation...?

  •  I think the problem is that many large (3+ / 0-)
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    Catholic institutions self insure and only use health insurance companies to perform administrative services and to use their provider network.  So whatever health insurance benefits employees receive are paid through the Catholic Church or Catholic institutions.  If these institutions were to stop self insurance and fully use insurance companies their cost would rise considerably.

    The real failure here is tying employment to healthcare which makes no sense and causes many unnecessary problems beyond this one.  This could be solved through either single payer or just having individuals get insurance directly with no change in income taxes.

    The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

    by nextstep on Mon Apr 09, 2012 at 10:47:48 AM PDT

  •  Easter Sunday (3+ / 0-)

    Why is Dolan sitting in a TV studio instead of church on his religion's most sacred day?

    •  What makes you think that guy is religious? (4+ / 0-)
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      He's a power politician, pure and simple. He found a way to get political power without having to go to the trouble of asking anyone to vote for him.

      He's a Pharisee and nothing else. It never fails to amaze me that that section of the Bible gets read at least once a year, but not one of the supposed leaders of that church has ever actually heard it.

      Fight until we win. Then we can begin arguing about the details. - Kwickkick (RIP) 2009

      by RickMassimo on Mon Apr 09, 2012 at 11:03:49 AM PDT

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      •  The Church would have to register as a PAC (1+ / 0-)
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        and all clerics as lobbyists if simple logic ruled.  Every time I see one of these pampered blowhards I think of Father Guido Sarducci..."Well, I'm-a very happy to announce that-a next time you see me, I'm-a gonna be monsegnior. That's right. I was-a promoted. Thank-a you, yes, thank-a you. Actually it's not until next week that-a they sign-a the papers, but nothing can-a stop me now, and I'm-a real excited getting the new costume, everything, you know. When you're monsegnior, you get to have a nice-a red stripe, (points to his right sleeve) and they say that-a nothing brings out the good veal in Italian restaurants than that-a red stripe, you know. I'm-a really looking forward to it. I just wish I was-a feeling better. Last night I got-a this-a tattoo (scratches left sleeve) and it's-a really been itching me. I have a little fever, and-a I hope I feel better by the ceremonies."  
        If all clerics were as honest about being craven and were as transparent as Father Sarducci we could laugh and go on our way.  More ridicule is called for along with serious push back against this criminal enterprise called the Church.  

  •  this should be about what Dolan said (1+ / 0-)
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    Making this about Bob Schieffer is a bit tenuous.  He did say Catholic Institutions, not Catholic Churches which I interpreted as meaning the schools and hospitals.

  •  I've always held that... (1+ / 0-)
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    Bob Schieffer was a total kiss ass even when he was younger. He seems like a nice guy, but I've never considered him a genuine investigative journalist. Dan Rather, who has been problematic and even awkward at times, is much better at his craft...IMHO.

  •  You forgot withholding communion & excommunication (0+ / 0-)
    ...while conveniently ignoring the many positions of the Republican Party—like the Ryan budget plan—to which the Church supposedly objects, but without threats of lawsuits, hunger strikes, or calls for violent resistance.
    Didn't some Church official in St. Louis rule that John Kerry was ineligible to take communion because he wouldn't oppose access to birth control -- for anyone?

    I can't remember an example of excommunication or threatening it over the issue ... yet, but that's probably coming if it hasn't already happened.

    We're all pretty strange one way or another; some of us just hide it better. "Normal" is a dryer setting.

    by david78209 on Mon Apr 09, 2012 at 11:10:55 AM PDT

  •  Glad as I am to see Schieffer's missteps corrected (0+ / 0-)

    ... it seems to me we are pressing a point that is more subtle than the briefing that most (all?) anchor persons probably receive to prepare for their shows. And, we're expecting a guy who asks, what, 8-10 or more fairly "big questions" during an hour-long show to be briefed and ready to chase down details with a titled guest like the Catholic major domo?

    That would require more tenacity than any of the Sunday morning hosts shows (with the possible exception of Fareed Zakaria). For example, all David Gregory does to chase a point on MTP is to throw up someone's else's quote and then repeat his question several times. Duh!

    I'm not apologizing for either Schieffer or Dolan, by the way. The clarity in Kaili's explanation is luminous and not beyond the ken of an educated, motivated person. Who is not necessarily the type staffing Face the Nation in Easter week. This does suggest, however, that we must hone our responses and pushbacks and document our own briefing materials, so we don't contribute to over-generalizations, overly simple descriptions of "the two sides," etc.

    Obama and strong Democratic majorities in 2012!

    by TRPChicago on Mon Apr 09, 2012 at 11:11:37 AM PDT

  •  He cried 2 Sundays in a row for John McCain (0+ / 0-)

    In 2008 Schieffer came to tears two Sundays in a row because John Kerry said that having been a POW didn't automatically qualify McCain as an expert in foreign policy / President.

  •  I'd like to see the contact info for CBS (or any (2+ / 0-)
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    mainstream media org) in the diary when it's a matter of clarifying falsehoods, etc.
    I can find it myself but it would be quicker if we automatically had the info or even a petition to click on.
    I have contacted CNN a bunch.
    I don't watch CBS much but apparently they've gone over to the dark side lately.
    I think pressuring the media to be honest is one of our biggest priorities.

    I'd rather have a buntle afrota-me than a frottle a bunta-me.

    by David54 on Mon Apr 09, 2012 at 11:24:10 AM PDT

  •  Catholic Church has NO MORAL AUTHORITY (3+ / 0-)
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    left anymore, why is anyone listening to these pedophile protectors about anything??!!

    Why does no one say this?

    •  a church spokesperson with a vagina (0+ / 0-)

      wouldn't be too much to ask, would it?  

      Dolan and Schieffer remind me the of the old SNL skit 'Women's Problems.'As I recall the solution  suggested was invariably to 'Hit 'em on the ass with a car antenna.'  

      Dolan's yap has about the same moral authority as Garrett Morris' used auto part.  

      Come to think of it, where were the church's women while the pedophile priests were grooming their victims?

      Holy crap, I think some nuns have some serious fucking praying to do on that one. Guess that's why they don't have time to speak truth to the fools that run my church.

      "I'll press your flesh, you dimwitted sumbitch! " -Pappy O'Daniel

      by jakewaters on Mon Apr 09, 2012 at 12:02:56 PM PDT

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      •  They don't listen to the nuns. (0+ / 0-)

        Where did you ever get that idea?  All the Church has done to nuns in the last 30 years to to order them to be silent.  No one with a vagina will represent the official position because the people with penises are terrified of people with vaginas.  This is just another aspect of the of the last gasp of the old white men, scrabbling desperately to hold on to power.

  •  Eric Sevareid, Ed Bliss, Alexander Kendrick (0+ / 0-)

    Edward R Murrow, and even Walter Cronkite embodied the essence of the real investigative media. Even Mike Wallace. The dirt needs to be dug up but I'm afraid the corporate interests that control the media now are loathe to do any such thing.

    There is something to be said about "muckraking".

    Expose the dirt to the daylight. Of course it may dry up and blow away.

  •  I do not watch the Sunday Shows (0+ / 0-)

    because the "liberal media" never smacks down the GOPTPers talking points. Have not seen Fareeds show i just know that MTP, FTN, sold out along time ago... Unfortunately!!

    America, We blow stuff up!!

    by IndyinDelaware on Mon Apr 09, 2012 at 11:56:48 AM PDT

  •  Bob Schieffer is an asshole... (0+ / 0-)

    ...a clueless member of the DC corporate commentariat, and not eve a real reporter.  He's there to fob fuddy duddy softball questions at political and cultural villains and then not follow up.  

    You get what you pay for.  

    And we're not paying him.  

  •  Bob Schieffer is an... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...asshole, a clueless member of the DC corporate commentariat, and not eve a real reporter.  He's there to fob fuddy duddy softball questions at political and cultural villains and then not follow up.  

    You get what you pay for.  

    And we're not paying him.  

  •  Let 'em politicize, but annul their tax exemptions (0+ / 0-)

    It seems to me that religious groups should have to make that fundamental choice: they can be a political group with political opinions and engage fully in the democratic exchange of ideas, or they can be exempt from taxes and STFU. It's mindbogglingly unfair and dangerous to have spokespersons for tax-exempt, highly political organizations being given a voice in our secular democracy.

    If nothing else, it's an extremely revealing commentary on the [non] power of prayer. If these religions actually worked, they wouldn't need to get all political: they could get their gods to do the heavy lifting through divine intercession.

  •  ACTION LINK (0+ / 0-)

    . Fair.org Media Activism Kit:
    http://www.fair.org/...

  •  What do you expect from . . . (0+ / 0-)

       W's golfing buddy?

  •  Bob Schieffer is still alive ?? (0+ / 0-)

    Wow, I honestly thought he kicked it years ago.

    Little did I know that I could spend Sunday mornings listening to Bob Schieffer still espouse bogus garbage like this

    Catholic institutions having to buy birth control pills for their employees in churches, in schools, and in hospitals.
    Holy crap. Catholic Institutions have to buy pills for their employees in churches ??

    How wrong does one have to get things when you are a Beltway DC Insider journalist in good standing before getting fired?

    Good grief ...

  •  Haven't watched this show in years... (0+ / 0-)

    ...and this kind of thing is the reason why.  When they can get the facts straight they can give me a call and let me know.  I have as much confidence that will happen that I do they'll get their facts straight !

  •  Whole Heap of Lies (0+ / 0-)

    The notion that this was about religion was a lie in the first place. This is compensation earned by employees, who have a right to use it as they please. This was and always will be about defending the rights of workers.

    This would be like me complaining that part of the money I pay for healthcare premiums goes to people having children. It is entirely true that I'm supporting the cost of ObGyn care, delivery and post-natal expenses of other people, when I don't have children myself. How do these people defend taking my money to pay for their birthing children?

    I don't personally care that my money goes to this because it is insurance, after all. It's one of those from-each-according-to-their-means-to-each-according-to-their-needs systems. Having children is no more (or less) medically necessary than birth control.

    And if I'm going to pay for the procreation of children then I don't see why they can't pay for the relatively insignificant cost of birth control. Or abortion, for that matter.

  •  The RCC Church has no right to overpopulate... (0+ / 0-)

    the World.  We would be wall-to-wall people if they had their way.  And what misery would follow.  But the churches thrive on misery, other people's misery.  The want more people for canon fodder, I guess.

    Why are "American Interests," when spoken of in Washington, rarely the interests of the American people?

    by djohnutk on Mon Apr 09, 2012 at 08:41:48 PM PDT

  •  Christ! They're gonna crucify me! (0+ / 0-)

    Mr. Dolan claims that "Nor can we argue purely from revelation: why should other citizens respect our opinions if we do not present them as applicable to all people regardless of religion?" That's precisely the problem: hiding under your tax-exempt mantle of “revealed” holiness, you want to tell the rest of us what to do, and how to live. The bottom line is that absolutely NO ONE is coming into our Churches or places of worship and telling believers what to believe.....or forcing them to use contraception. BUT If the Bishops (and other denominations) want to continue running businesses outside of their places of worship...businesses that employ millions of people of varying faiths -or no "faith" at all- THEN they must play by the same rules and rights that other workers live by and enjoy (especially if their businesses use our tax dollars, and skip paying taxes, in the process). If the Jehovah's Witnesses church hires me, can they alter my health insurance to exclude blood transfusions? Even worse- what if they operated a hospital by their “rules”? This is not a “war on religion”. Never was. However, it IS a war BY some religions... on women and men who simply want to plan their families, to control their futures, to keep their jobs, and to have health insurance that allows them to do that. Likewise It is a war -not on religion- but on gays and others who the church deems to be second class citizens, and targets of its venom. The churches (or the IRS) need to decide whether these churches are  going to be political organizations proclaiming and practicing partisan politics from the pulpit...or....tax-exempt places of WORSHIP. Not both. Not in America.

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