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    It is a bit of a relief to me that George Zimmerman is behind bars. I suppose it is his right to be somewhat safely alive for his trial rather than trying to get various media personalities to aid and abet him, which is what would have happened since Monday.
     It is my opinion that any adult who persues and shoots a lad is committing Animality, that instinctive relentless aggression of the bigger versus the smaller just because you think you can, without any thought of consequenses.
     In first seeing Tryvon Martin's pictures I thought that he looked younger than 17 years old. My first impression was of a lad at the beginning of his high school years, not at the end. This has gotten me wondering of a possible scenario that no one I have seen in any of my media coverage gleanings has made Here is the entirely theoretical possible scenario. I have no evidence that this is what happened, or, sorry to say, ever will.

    I said that when I first saw images of Trayvon Martin I thougfht he looked about 15 or thereabouts, not the 17 I found out later. Of the many problems associated with being an American teenager one of them is the lurking fear opf sexual abuse by predators. When Trayvon made his last call to his girlfriend he seemed disturbed that a man in a car was following him. Why?
    How could Trayvon possibly know that this large armed man in a private vehicle wasn't some sexual predator trying to kidnap him, take him miles to the back of beyond, and try to sexually assault him? How could he know?
    IF, and this is is an enormous IF, he threw any punches at Zimmerman, couldn't it be that Trayvon was Standing His Ground, like every Florida citizen has a right to do, in order NOT to be possibly victimized? Was he SHOT because he was defending himself?!
    Don't get me wrong. I am not a homophobe. The overwhelming majority of child abusers are absolutely heterosexual. To them, little boys and women are all equal opportunity prey.
     But it could be that Trayvon is a Hero, for standing up for his dignity in not allowing himself to become a victim. This is a credit to his upbringing. I am sad to see such determination come to such a merciless end.
     It will be interesting to see how his  stalker/killerwill manage with his "He hit me back first" defense.

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  •  Wouldn't base anything on a picture (5+ / 0-)

    of Trayvon taken a few years before he was killed.  It was a good and successful PR effort -- along with the even older and scarier looking photo of Zimmerman that was displayed next to the sweet faced Trayvon for weeks.

  •  Zimmermans accomplices go free. (2+ / 0-)
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    sockpuppet, a2nite

    The Sanford PD and norm Wolfinger's office are getting away with what they did- letting a killer go free.  There is NOT a single investigation by an outside entity focusing on their behavior in the wake of the shooting.   Don't be fooled by the DoJs look into civil rights violations.  We need a real investigation with subpoena powers and search warrants looking into institutional racism, bias, incompetence, cronyism and corruption that lies at the heart of this outrage.

    •  Look into what Holder said about (5+ / 0-)

      expanding the DOJ's investigation into the matter.  Sounds like they might be looking into some of these things.


      may we not be strangers in the lush province of joy - Charles Wright

      by AlyoshaKaramazov on Sun Apr 15, 2012 at 01:06:11 PM PDT

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      •  I did. They aren't . (0+ / 0-)

        Trayvon's parents sent a separate letter to the DoJ requesting an investigation into Sanford PD and Wolfinger's handlIng of the initial version of this case.   They have yet to receive an answer.

        Yes, to his credit holder said he'd follow the clues wherever they led but that was in regards to a civil rights investivation and before this letter was sent.  

    •  Not preferred. It was the only one available. (2+ / 0-)
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      skrekk, pat bunny

      There was no other publicly available photos of Zimmerman.

      Check out the link for the issues how new orgs choose photos.

      For one thing, they need permission to use photos for copyright issues.

      Even when the photo of Zimmerman is a suit and tie came out, it was only released to one new organization.

      The Sentinel obtained the photo through an unnamed source, but the paper hasn’t given anyone else permission to use it. It has, however, made the photo available to clients of McClatchy-Tribune Information Services.

      “We got it from a source and published under fair use,” said the Sentinel’s Burton. “We are not selling it because we don’t own it. If someone takes it from our website, we are not going to pursue them.”

      Staff at The Miami Herald saw the photo of Zimmerman in the tie and wanted to run it with a profile last Sunday.

      “When one sees a solitary mugshot of Zimmerman …, with a negative expression on his face, that kind of photo can influence the story,” said Herald photo editor Roman Lyskowski. “You look at it and say, ‘A booking mug. Yes, of course, he’s guilty.’ “

      Yet the Herald had to run the old booking photo on Sunday. Only the Sentinel knew where the newer one had come from, and it wouldn’t grant permission to publish the image.

      •  His family and defenders did nothing about that (0+ / 0-)

        If they wanted to have different pictures of George available for the media it was their responsibility to provide them. Did they possibly give that one picture to the Sentinel? Probably, but that's one picture given to one news organization. What are you too cheap to make copies or scan in copies?

  •  it appears from previous cases involving this (1+ / 0-)
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    law, no matter what the legislators intended, the practical effect for judges and DAs have been to tender immunity to the survivor once SYG is invoked or so it would seem.

    The effect of the law seems to be to shoot fast, shoot straight and then have your story ready when the DA interviews you  

  •  That could have been one of the fears (2+ / 0-)
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    that ran through Trayvon's mind, though I would think that under the circumstances were a number and all menacing.

    Had Zimmerman not been menacing as he approached Trayvon and simply at a distance asked why he was there, it could have probably been easily cleared up....if Zimmerman wanted it to be....which I doubt.

    Beyond the personal tragedy involved, I am hoping that this is enough of a high profile case with a clear enough focus on both justice and basic humanity, that it discourages many marginal wingnut types personally and causes many citizens to think more deeply about the destructive results of much legislation and the role of law and order in our society today.  I don't expect it to have much impact on the extreme rightwing groups or the most corrupt politicians and their enablers, but it may influence a large number of citizens who haven't been aware.  That's of course if the trial itself is open, honest, impartial.

    99%er. 100% opposed to fundamentalist/neoconservative/neoliberal oligarchs.

    by blueoasis on Sun Apr 15, 2012 at 11:45:30 AM PDT

  •  Or alternatively, the picture you saw of (3+ / 0-)

    Trayvon was taken several years ago.

    •  Old photographs. (0+ / 0-)

      Perhaps some of them were taken a while ago. But the one on a horse was taken only two weeks before he was shot. Still looks like a maturing lad. The point will be: Do still underrage lads have the same right to Stand Your ground?

  •  Yes, I've thought similarly (2+ / 0-)
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    about it.

    Sexual predator.  Kidnapper.  Or just your garden-variety racist, coming to kick your ass, because he hates blacks.

    I'm sure it isn't the first time some guy has come at him for no good reason.

    I'm hoping that Attorney Corey enlightens the jury to this possibility.

    I've read several comments on news sites where they thought Zimmerman was a security guard in a uniform and everything.


    may we not be strangers in the lush province of joy - Charles Wright

    by AlyoshaKaramazov on Sun Apr 15, 2012 at 01:04:20 PM PDT

  •  This is gun thing (1+ / 0-)
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    a2nite

    if there was no gun Trayvon Martin would still be alive.

  •  George Zimmerman (7+ / 0-)

    COULD have just said,

    "Hey, can I speak with you a moment?  Hi, I'm George and I'm on the neighborhood watch team.  We've had some burglaries lately, and I was wondering if you could help keep your eyes open, and help us out.  Thanks!"
    But George had already decided Trayvon was up to no good.  Because he was black.  So, he stared him down, making Trayvon nervous enough to run, which in George's mind was proof that he was guilty.

    How we enter a situation.  How WE act, can MAKE the situation into what we suspect it to be.


    may we not be strangers in the lush province of joy - Charles Wright

    by AlyoshaKaramazov on Sun Apr 15, 2012 at 01:13:25 PM PDT

  •  makes me not trust white people (1+ / 0-)
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    a2nite

    I get the paranoid feeling that any white guy can pull out a gun and shoot me dead. All I may have been doing was shooing away a fly on my nose and he could say he was in fear of his life and 1000 rw radio stations would vilify me me as a Black guy with a criminal history of arrest for jay walking. f-ing incredible

    •  Agreed, who should be more scared of whom? (0+ / 0-)

      The MSM created the scary black man theme. Trayvon was a victim of the evils of the lying TV and culture wars. America hates black people that is why we are being exterminated one person at a time.

      The radical Republican party is the party of oppression, fear, loathing and above all more money and power for the people who robbed us.

      by a2nite on Mon Apr 16, 2012 at 10:55:10 AM PDT

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  •  I've said this a few times. (1+ / 0-)
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    a2nite

    We've had a huge issue in Florida in the past few years with adult males stalking kids, middle school kids, high school kids, elementary kids. Boys and girls. Many kidnapping attempts and stalking issues. This has been frequent on the news, as well as advice from police what to do, including fighting to get away before you're drug into someone's vehicle. Part of that is punching, biting, scratching, kicking, whatever you have to do to be able to get away.

    Yes, I would say that Trayvon had every right to punch Zimmerman who had been following him for a while when he showed up and got in his face like that. He had every right to stand his ground, or in this case likely doing what he thought he had to do to get away. Either of my kids likely would have reacted the exact same way.

    "Madness! Total and complete madness! This never would've happened if the humans hadn't started fighting one another!" Londo Mollari

    by FloridaSNMOM on Sun Apr 15, 2012 at 07:57:27 PM PDT

  •  "Anyone Think of This?" (0+ / 0-)

    Admittedly, no.

    I never thought of this either, which totally kicked my ass:

    I joined this site determined to do only one thing: answer questions. I will not preach or lecture or even point out glaring inaccuracies where I see them.

    by Morticia on Sun Apr 15, 2012 at 09:00:43 PM PDT

    •  that guy's a hater. Ignore him. (0+ / 0-)

      Strange video indeed.  Black guy spews hate against peaceful, also black, protesters who rallied in Ohio in support of Taryvon.  

      He's intolerant, and that's all you need to know about him.   He's critical of a movement that was 2 million strong in favor of simple justice for a murdered unarmed teenager whose killer walked free after shooting someone for walking while black.  

      His other videos are even more intolerant, railing against black Christians for voting for Obama.  

      It takes all kinds I guess, and this case has brought all the nutcases out of the woodwork.    

  •  We shall see (0+ / 0-)

    From what I've seen so far it appears like Trayvon Martin easily had enough time to make it home. That is why I don't think Trayvon was in fear for his life.

    http://www.wagist.com/...

    With that said he is perfectly within his rights to not go home, or even to ask George Zimmerman why he's following him.

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