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      Here's the thing let's let's look at the iPad and the iPhone with a $500+ list price tag. Sorry from my perspective this is a luxury item. Let's review they have a small screen size limited memory and expensive network connectivity. What this is in a general sense is a tool;some would say a toy for the 1%'rs or from the business worldview "Decision makers".

             At one point the Blackberry was slung from the hip of decision makers. Now comes the iPhone and the iPad. Problem is decision makers can't;or at least shouldn't; make decisions without "The Info" as Dr. Evil would say. The Info is provided by who at one point have been referred to a "Knowledge workers" who are they the 99%. These are the folks who crunch the numbers, prepare reports, generate the PowerPoint slides for consumption of the "decision makers". Well guess what the iXXXX can't do squat for the knowledge worker. With it's limited memory, storage, connectivity relatively tiny screen what good is it? Oh and in case anybody has forgotten Microsoft office still calls the shots and as of this writing when it comes "Office" there ain't an app for that!

            Now I can see how the crowd over on CNBC can say the PC is dead because their target audience is the 1%'rs in general or "Decision makers" specifically. So let's lay this out is the PC dead for the "Decision maker", most likely. But from the perspective of the other 99% of the work force aka the "Knowledge worker" it's not dead yet.

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  •  Tip Jar (0+ / 0-)

    Response: If you "got it" you wouldn't be a republican

    by JML9999 on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 08:05:54 AM PDT

  •  I Am Sure There are Plenty of 1% People (13+ / 0-)

    Who have iPads... but I know dozens (over a hundred?) people who also have them who are certainly not in that demographic.

    I am not really seeing the Occupy Wall Street connection here.

  •  You better let the millions and millions of folks (16+ / 0-)

    who've bought iPhones and iPads know.

  •  I think iPads and iPhones are pretty common (14+ / 0-)

    among regular people too.  I love my Apple stuff.

    Veritas Omnia Vincit

    by The Nephew on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 08:19:00 AM PDT

    •  They're definitely for upper-income people (2+ / 0-)
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      The only people I know who buy Apple stuff are pulling down 6 figures, which yes, puts them in the upper income bracket. You're looking at an annual cost of $800-$2000 to own and use an iPhone. That's what a lot of us pay in rent, so yeah, definitely an upper income toy/tool.

      Nothing brings people together more than mutual hatred.

      by Hannibal on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 08:29:11 AM PDT

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      •  I'm not pulling down six figures. Not even close. (11+ / 0-)

        It's called saving a little for things you want.

        •  If I'm going to sock away $800+ a year (1+ / 0-)
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          For something, it's not going to be for some useless smart phone. And yes, I don't care what anybody says, they're useless. Just a luxury item, nothing more. Then again, I don't even like text messaging, Facebook, or even the MINI (It's an ugly, cramped, crappy handling version of the original) so clearly I'm not the target market.

          Nothing brings people together more than mutual hatred.

          by Hannibal on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 02:16:02 PM PDT

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      •  Seriously? (10+ / 0-)

        I know plenty of people with Apple stuff who are in no way pulling down 6 figures.

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        by AUBoy2007 on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 08:39:49 AM PDT

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      •  Well, yeah, if you need thousands of minutes (2+ / 0-)
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        per month on your plan.

        We delivered. They failed us. We have moved on. (h/t to my good friend)

        by gooderservice on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 08:40:36 AM PDT

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      •  Life cycle studies show Apples as less (3+ / 0-)
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        expensive -

        Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

        by Wee Mama on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 09:00:27 AM PDT

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        •  You might be right (4+ / 0-)
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          I just replaced my iMac after 6 years, only because (a) I couldn't upgrade it to the newest operating system and (b) it stopped working after a short time of use because of overheating -- I think the fan finally wore out. My laptop is over 5 years old and I won't be able to upgrade it later this year, but I'm hanging on with it for one more year. I think my father-in-law went through about 2 or 3 different Dell computers in a similar time frame, plus spending I don't know how much on tech support. I've never had any problem I couldn't solve with a check on the Apple discussion boards or a quick search on one of the Mac tech sites.

      •  You pay $800 a year in rent? (8+ / 0-)

        Where do you live?

        I'm a single dad of two kids ages 10 and 7. I'm a high school teacher making about 56k a year. Our salaries have been frozen since 2008 because of California's budget problems. We've had three pay cuts in that time, one big one (I was making $65k). Our school covers about $7000 a year of my health insurance, which is closer to $13,200 a year. I have to cover the balance out of that 56k. My daughter has cerebral palsy and there are lots of added costs for her.

        If you think for a second that I'm in some upper income bracket because I own an iPad and an iPhone you are smoking something a lot stronger than what we grow here in Humboldt County.

      •  We're an Apple family (6+ / 0-)

        (iMac, MacBook, iPhone -- no iPad yet) and my spouse and I are nowhere near 6 figures -- nor is my mother-in-law who bought her iPad last year because it saved us the hassle of setting up WiFi in her apartment (though we're now looking into the possibility so she can have higher download speeds). We bought our first Apple (clamshell iBook) in 2001 because while yes, it was more expensive than a comparable Windows laptop, I already had the needed software for it from years of attending MacWorld Expo and other tech events) to network with other tech professionals (and gifted amateurs like me) to see about job possibilities. Having to repurchase the software would have increased the price of the Windows laptop enough to make the prices pretty much equivalent.

        I admit that I'm fortunate, because when I bought my first iPhone they were still offering unlimited data, but when the iPhone 4 came out I and the rest of us were grandfathered in, so the cost of the data plan for the iPhone is nowhere near the numbers you reference, and are merely added on top of the family plan that my spouse and I share. And the convenience of the phone is more than worth the extra cost; I can go directly to the important voicemails without having to listen through several unimportant ones, I always have transit schedules at hand just by looking them up on the Web (as a non-driver, that's really handy), and I can keep myself informed and entertained.

        And I don't immediately upgrade when the Next Big Thing comes out; I used my old iPhone 3G until the muting switch wore out (I had to use a pen to turn the ringtones on and off) and still held onto it till the iPhone 4 came out...and I'm still using that iPhone instead of running out to buy the iPhone 4S. I can hold off on upgrading till this one wears out.

        I don't see why I have to apologize for buying the tools that help me have a more productive life. So I won't.

      •  vast majority of ipads sold without... (5+ / 0-)

        Mobile Data.  They just connect to wifi so you can use the connection you would pay for anyways in your house or for free at a coffee shop.

        The iPad has actually been found to appeal to elderly persons who find it far less intimidating than a PC and is easier to use and see.

        The ipad appeals to very young persons e.g. even toddlers.  It appeals to animals as witnessed by youtube videos of dogs, cats, monkeys enjoying them.

        iPad applications are often cheaper to purchase than applications for PC's and usually updates are free.  Your applications are freely re-useable between all of your IOS devices.  

        And here's an interesting trend.  Young people are choosing to give up things like cars in order to live in more socially oriented city neighborhoods with technology like iPads and smartphones.

         

        --Mr. President, you have to earn my vote every day. Not take it for granted. --

        by chipoliwog on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 10:41:24 AM PDT

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      •  You must live in an unusual place where there (0+ / 0-)

        is a lot of people with six figure income and yet rent is $80/month.

  •  Oddly enough... (7+ / 0-)

    I wonder why anti-OWS people do a hostile fetishization over Occupiers reputedly carrying around iPods, iPads, and iPhones?

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    by Stude Dude on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 08:20:46 AM PDT

  •  my new iPad cheaper than previous laptop purchase (11+ / 0-)

    I think you're way off-base here.

    I am a "knowledge worker".  I use a laptop for work.    I also have purchased my own laptop(s) for home use, because I feel I should have my own computer besides the one that I get from work.  

    My most recent laptop purchase was an HP Laptop for $650.  That laptop is now a paperweight since I got my $500 iPad.  The iPad has everything I need for at least 80% of what I do at home.  I only use a laptop when I have to write a longer email or document, although  I also bought an external keyboard for my iPad for that purpose.

    The point is, Apple designed the iPad for the way people use computers at home, not for how they need to use them at work.  For that purpose, it's actually a lower-priced option compared to the cost of the average laptop.  

    •  "not for how they need to use them at work" (0+ / 0-)

      So how do they "do work" without the PC hence the whole not dead yet thing.......

      Response: If you "got it" you wouldn't be a republican

      by JML9999 on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 08:29:52 AM PDT

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      •  It depends on your work (6+ / 0-)

        If you do a lot of intensive writing with special formatting, the iPod isn't the ideal machine; in earlier versions there was also the problem of it being clunky to save documents though that's supposedly been resolved with "cloud" computing. Also if you do a lot of image or video editing (I'm working on a project digitizing several years of family slides my late father-in-law took) the iPad isn't the tool for that. But for the average user like my mother-in-law, who can't hold a regular hardback because of her arthritis but loves to read, who likes to read the newspapers on the Web, who sends the occasional email to friends and businesses, and who enjoys the occasional game of solitaire, the iPad is perfect. And as the technology improves, the price is going to come down; there are rumors of upcoming iPads that will be slightly smaller than the current iPad but still functional and with sub-$300 prices.

      •  breaking WinTel monopoly is the point (2+ / 0-)
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        The point is that the iPad could possibly be the first home computer that challenges the dominance of WinTel machines.

        Once that monopoly is broken and competition is opened up - who knows what computers will step in?

        For example, it could become the norm that work computers become "dumb terminals" that just connect to a central Citrix Server.  

        You already see this with services like the OnLive Desktop for iPad.  

        Actually, an iPad connecting to something like OnLive Desktop and doing AirPlay mirroring to an external monitor could become something like the work computer of the future.

  •  You don't have to use Microsoft Office... (7+ / 0-)

    ...on your PC or Mac. There's OpenOffice, which is a free download. It works like a charm for me.

  •  iPads are the best computers ever made (9+ / 0-)

    for senior citizens.  iPads are easy to use, there are thousands of free games, free apps, free everything to add for each individual's experience.

    The iPad brings a whole new world to the young and old without the hassle of worrying about security issues or the blue screen of death or having to become adept at using a mouse.  And those are just a few examples.

    The learning curve is almost zilch.  The iPad wins hands-down for ease of use, and that's what a lot people need in order to join the rest of us on the tubes.

    We delivered. They failed us. We have moved on. (h/t to my good friend)

    by gooderservice on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 08:37:04 AM PDT

    •  " iPads are the best computers ever made" (0+ / 0-)

      With that price tag it better be.

      It boils down to if you're a "Knowledge Worker" PC is still your work platform.

      Response: If you "got it" you wouldn't be a republican

      by JML9999 on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 08:43:19 AM PDT

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      •  you left out the rest of my sentence: (4+ / 0-)
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        "... for senior citizens."

        Oh, and by the way, the iPad costs less than the last three PCs I bought.

        We delivered. They failed us. We have moved on. (h/t to my good friend)

        by gooderservice on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 08:50:56 AM PDT

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        •  Is it, though? (2+ / 0-)
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          I'm a few years away from seniordom, but even at my age the iPad screen is too small for my eyes.  And the lack of a full-sized keyboard is another problem for me and, I suspect, a lot of older users.  When you've been touch-typing for so many decades, being forced to hunt & peck is terribly frustrating.

          •  You can pick up an external keyboard (6+ / 0-)

            that has Bluetooth capability and use that with the iPad -- my mom-in-law uses one when she's doing a lot of typing such as email or letters; for short things like entering URLs or filling out online forms the onscreen keyboard works fine. (She's pretty much a one-handed typist because of her frozen shoulder.) And you can set the size of the type on the page in Accessibility Features, or you can zoom in to the page just by double tapping on the screen.

            For senior citizens without extensive computer experience -- like my MIL and many of her fellow senior complex residents -- the iPad is an ideal tool; now that it has FaceTime seniors can stay in touch with the kids and grandkids with video chats, they can read books without having to buy special large-print editions (and you're not just limited to iBooks; there are free apps for reading Kindle and Nook editions as well), and there are plenty of games to keep them entertained.

      •  Nonsense. I use a mac. I am an (1+ / 0-)
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        unpaid knowledge worker. and I use open office.

        But I have a Samsung phone which beats an iPhone and works on the cheaper, better T-mobile.

        My son has an iPhone tho'. A friend of his gave him his when he upgraded.

        I'm asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about real change in Washington ... *I'm asking you to believe in yours.* Barack Obama

        by samddobermann on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 01:58:43 PM PDT

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  •  Give me a break (12+ / 0-)

    Our iPad is a phenomenal tool and a money saver. I almost don't know where to start. First, no more expensive laptop to lug around wherever we go. Huaaa! Second, the wife hates computers - used to make me do it all. She loves the iPad and does most of it herself now. We're both artists and it holds full portfolios, records, etc. No boxes, etc. any longer. Get to a hot spot and Skype does wonders. Books for the both of us, all of our magazines now. The free stuff is great - crossword puzzles especially. Games like Scrabble become very portable. Access the home computer when needed. And hey, the fact that it is so stable and solid, makes it a great and safe thing to give to kids when needed. Sure, a lot of this can be done on a phone, if you have 15 year old eyes. It even accepts charge cards for sales - a money maker. Off base, no, not even in the ball park on this one. Our Spanish/English dictionary, complete works of Shakespeare, any record keeping we want, email, internet. My gosh - could one ever bring the list to an end?

    Without heroes we are all losers with nothing to aspire to.

    by qua on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 08:43:23 AM PDT

    •  It is a beauty, that's for sure. (4+ / 0-)
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      And here's a great podcast/netcast to watch that's done weekly that covers all categories of iPad apps.

      The iPad is a great tool for people who can't or don't get out often, it's a way to stay in contact with friends, family, and the rest of the world, and it's so easy to use, unlike a PC.  

      iPad Today

      We delivered. They failed us. We have moved on. (h/t to my good friend)

      by gooderservice on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 08:57:24 AM PDT

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      •  I saved the link (3+ / 0-)
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        So many apps come out that the only way to scan them is let someone else do it for you and check their list out. Never know what you'll find to make life easier, etc. without being glued to a stationary computer or luggable laptop. And hey, I'm still that happy with the original iPad.

        Without heroes we are all losers with nothing to aspire to.

        by qua on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 09:49:23 AM PDT

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  •  as someone who is legally blind (10+ / 0-)

    I love my iPad.  It allows me to easily enlarge the screen for reading e mails, books and web sites.  It is the nest toy that I have ever bought for myself.

  •  I see more and more iphones (2+ / 0-)
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    or droids or similar screen touch style phones.  

    As annoying as the iphone screen pad can be, I can still type on it better than the blackberry.   I shuttled between the displays on several occasions before deciding.  I got it for work to get email and document attachments on the go.  It works well for that.

    I have even managed limited posting here.

    But it is a luxury item.  More shameful is the price paid by workers here and in China so this item can be cheap enough for the masses.    I am not ready to give up the convenience, and go backwards from a technology point of view, so that just makes me part of the problem.

  •  I have no love for the cult of apple (7+ / 0-)

    but this diary is a mess.  I don't know a lot of 1%ers - but I know a lot of people with iCrap.

    Try again.  With actual facts or a point, maybe.

    And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

    by Mortifyd on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 11:04:46 AM PDT

    •  Can I interest you in paragraph 2 (0+ / 0-)
              At one point the Blackberry was slung from the hip of decision makers. Now comes the iPhone and the iPad. Problem is decision makers can't;or at least shouldn't; make decisions without "The Info" as Dr. Evil would say. The Info is provided by who at one point have been referred to a "Knowledge workers" who are they the 99%. These are the folks who crunch the numbers, prepare reports, generate the PowerPoint slides for consumption of the "decision makers". Well guess what the iXXXX can't do squat for the knowledge worker. With it's limited memory, storage, connectivity relatively tiny screen what good is it? Oh and in case anybody has forgotten Microsoft office still calls the shots and as of this writing when it comes "Office" there ain't an app for that!
      No Full blown office for the Ipad that's a fact.

      People don't write code for the Ipad on a Ipad that's done on a Personal computer(and a mac is a personal computer) and downloaded to the Ipad that's a fact.

       

      Response: If you "got it" you wouldn't be a republican

      by JML9999 on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 05:56:26 PM PDT

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      •  that's ALL you have? (1+ / 0-)
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        This product/line doesn't have a word processor, spreadsheet and database so it's the most awful thing on the planet ever and only rich assholes use it?

        Still fail.

        And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

        by Mortifyd on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 09:27:27 PM PDT

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        •  Paragraph 3 (0+ / 0-)
          Now I can see how the crowd over on CNBC can say the PC is dead because their target audience is the 1%'rs in general or "Decision makers" specifically. So let's lay this out is the PC dead for the "Decision maker", most likely. But from the perspective of the other 99% of the work force aka the "Knowledge worker" it's not dead yet.

          Response: If you "got it" you wouldn't be a republican

          by JML9999 on Wed Apr 18, 2012 at 01:30:38 AM PDT

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          •  your opinion (1+ / 0-)
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            and some unsourced statement that the PC is dead - not only ridiculous but patently untrue - and you still have nothing.

            Maybe some hotsauce will make the fail taste better?

            And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

            by Mortifyd on Wed Apr 18, 2012 at 09:27:05 AM PDT

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            •  Yeah well I guess you've never had a real job nt (0+ / 0-)

              Response: If you "got it" you wouldn't be a republican

              by JML9999 on Wed Apr 18, 2012 at 10:41:07 AM PDT

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              •  Excuse me? (0+ / 0-)

                You think because I disagree with your poorly thought out and presented diary I must have never had a real job?

                Had lots of them.  Have one now.  You still got nothing, kid.

                And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

                by Mortifyd on Wed Apr 18, 2012 at 10:51:43 AM PDT

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                •  "your poorly thought out and presented diary" (0+ / 0-)

                  Well that's your opinion. I have a lifetime of IT experience what's your excuse.

                  Response: If you "got it" you wouldn't be a republican

                  by JML9999 on Wed Apr 18, 2012 at 11:24:29 AM PDT

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                  •  you are making a really (1+ / 0-)
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                    bizarre set of leaps and assumptions based on personal bias against iCrap - which I get - and an unsourced quote from somewhere to make it sound like the techno sky is falling.

                    I've worked in IT, I've handled billions of dollars of trades and you still have zip.

                    Have fun with your pixel sky falling down, it's a gorgeous day here.  I might go sailing.

                    And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

                    by Mortifyd on Wed Apr 18, 2012 at 12:30:34 PM PDT

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  •  iPads are a godsend for (5+ / 0-)

    autistic children and adults. It's really disingenuous to portray them as the tools of the elite, when they actually can level the communicative playing field for those without a voice, literally. What an odd choice of diary topic, if you ask me.

  •  I have three truly stupendous full grown boys. (4+ / 0-)
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    For the last 15 years I have dealt with major health issues - cancers, stroke.  In September, for my birthday they bought me an iPad, to "have fun with a state of the art toy".  It does not have a data plan...I run it off wifi.  They got me the keyboard as well.  This was a prelude to giving me an iPhone for Xmas.  They explained that they wanted me to learn the iOS interface on something large so my skills would easily transfer to phone use. I'm on my oldest son's plan for $20.00 a month.  When I first got the iPad my middle son set me assignments to do to overcome fear of the thing.  Like: send me a pic of the creek and email it to me in three days.  It was fun and I'm completely comfortable with both toys.

    Cats are better than therapy, and I'm a therapist.

    by Smoh on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 11:31:39 AM PDT

  •  There are 330 mln cell phones in use in US. (3+ / 0-)
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    44% of them are smartphones. 29% of smartphones are iPhones. So about 10% of population owns an iPhone. And that includes infants who don't even own phones. Clearly, iPhones are not just owned by 1%. Find a different hobby horse.

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