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    Every day we wake up, more and more of our rights are being yanked away. It is as if an alien world is walking among us and designed a way to conquer the entire planet and our great country through the systemic and incestuous purging of freedoms and liberties. Inexplicably, Michigan put a law on the books to stop tankers of salt water waste from being dumped into fresh waters and this law has transistioned into a perverted Nazi right for Michigan's DNR (Dept of Natural Resources) to force farms to "immediately" kill their hogs and piglets as a measure of the ISO (Invasive Species Order). Thus protecting large food lobbies.

     According to the story in the Sodahead Blog "Michigan Forces Slaughter --"; it denotes that the armed raids on livestock farmers throughout Michigan is the brain child of DNR Director Rodney A Stokes. But you get a better sense of it all from Michigan's Cadillac News story and lead in apropos "MCBAIN" "Local Farmers Take Fight against swine mandate to Lansing" - as it denotes this from Senator Darwin Booher;

[it's] -- estimated close to 2,000 small farm operators could be put out of business as a result of the order, which defines a swine as invasive based on their phenotype characteristics — or what they look like.

"This is the problem," said Booher. "Their definition of an invasive (swine) species is not clear."

For example, the order defines the ear structure of an invasive swine as both erect and floppy, depending on if the pig is a hybrid breed or not.

     As noted on the "Natural News" website - a farmer was informed he was a felon, that the Michigan (Nazi type) Police were coming - and he is considered to be a felon. The perverted law that defines "Invasive Species" as pigs with "Unapproved" hair color or "unacceptable breeds". This compelled him to slaughter his hogs and piglets - before the facist police arrived. As the Natural News website denotes;

Even after this farmer informed the DNR that he had destroyed his entire herd of pigs, the DNR continued to illegally acquire a search warrant by providing false information to a court Judge, then conducting an armed raid on his ranch to verify that the entire herd of pigs had indeed already been shot to death. That this took place satisfied the DNR, which is now showing itself to be engaged in the mob-style destruction of targeted farming businesses through its mass-murder agenda of Michigan's small-scale farm pigs.

   Mark Baker, a retired Armed Services officer from the Air Force - has his own website quaintly titled "Bakers Green Acres". Mr. Baker denotes the absurdity of the whole saga. He believes it is just a perversion of law, influenced by the mass slaughter houses - to quash independent farmers that breed a better pork product. That what is being "invasive" is big money quashing the species "independent" farms. As he states on his blog - that;

***Baker’s Green Acres has worked hard to raise hogs that can yield world-class pork products and have a very small carbon footprint.  Our F-1 Mangalitsa crosses do just that.  They are comparable in breeding to the Swabian Hall that won Cochon 555 last year, thus yielding fantastic pork.  Yet they can grow on a non corn and soy diet, feeding on forages that we plant for them and some small grain input.  They thrive at all stages of growth in our permaculture system, thus benefitting the soil/water/air, the animal, and the humans.

The big ag lobbies including the pork producers, milk producers, chicken producers, and big ag financiers have undermined legislative efforts and insisted on supporting the ISO as it stands.   The DNR put your representatives into a headlock to force an oppressive agenda on your farmers.  This is not a democratic solution to a relatively minor problem


     Mark Baker served our country for decades, risking his life to fight for the freedoms that our tyrannical governments now seek to take away from him. He wins me over - 4 times more - with his Youtube video stating that he is proud to be in this battle.

     I am proud to see this American putting it all on the line again - fighting tyranny.


     We are witnessing the end of our lives as we use to know it. Wall Street can sell your home 20 times and get "Bailed" Out when it starts to catch up with them. Previously, we provided you with a Diary about Milk Farmers being raided = for selling Milk that customers wanted - but the government does not approve of your choice in drinking.

       What's next? Cow breeds not permitted? Horses? Chickens? We can only eat "Plump when you Cook'ums"? Unless we say no to tyranny, cronyism and corruption - it will just keep rolling over us. We need more farmers like Mark Baker -

                                                        Don't We?

UPDATE 10:41 am Pacific

Link to the Michigan Code on Forbidden species - quite telling


Is the Michigan Government going Hog wild?

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  •  have these idiots never heard of heirloom breeds? (16+ / 0-)

    Give me an invasive characteristic and I will give you an example of a heirloom breed, maybe one with 100 examples or fewer left.  If they are killing heirlooms, then they are murdering our genetic heritage.  The heirlooms carry in their genes characteristics bred out of mass raised hogs.  One day we may need that diversity.

    The feds should get involved with this as the state is destroying our heritage (ironic note; many ferals are corporate farm escapes)    

  •  it's the end of the world (2+ / 0-)
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    as we know it..

    where have i heard this before..?  could it be.. SATAN

    -You want to change the system, run for office.

    by Deep Texan on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 10:10:36 AM PDT

  •  wow (9+ / 0-)

    Holy shit - did the author really quote the complete asshats at natural news?! Please bone up on your environmental science and the effects of hybridized swine breeding on the ecology before posting anymore freakishly libertarian/anti-intellectual diatribes from the likes of the alex jones fan club. Thanks.

  •  sounds to me like the farmer you describe has (5+ / 0-)

    bred the perfect feral which could be quite a danger....tough and can survive on anything.

    States with wild or feral hog population see habitat destruction unlike any other species but our own....Hogs can tear some shit up.

    Now this isn't an endorsement of the DNR program but it wouldn't hurt to have some type of mandatory hog panel fencing as a big sow or boar can go through just about anything they want to and flat destroy the entire natural ecosystem.......If small farmers would return to the Heirloom breeds like I did with my hens, it would be a valuable resource for when some disease mutates and wipes out the standard breeds......

    Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
    I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
    Emiliano Zapata

    by buddabelly on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 10:22:05 AM PDT

    •  he shows his fencing as did all the other farmers (2+ / 0-)
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      buddabelly, Tonedevil

      If that were the issue - it would be done and over -
      as the original law was you could shoot to kill ANY outside a fence

      If you desire a better world - be a better person.

      by laserhaas on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 10:34:52 AM PDT

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      •  Fencing is not the problem (4+ / 0-)

        The hogs that escape the fencing are the problem:

        Population dynamics make eliminating feral hogs a near impossibility with current management techniques. “They multiply quickly. A sow can produce two litters a year and they start breeding at nine to 12 months old.”

        He says the math tells the tale. If one sow produces two eight-pig litters a year, she’ll add 5,000 pigs to the local population in just five years. And all the females in those litters are reproducing within a year so the numbers increase rapidly.
        Wild pig depredation on certain forest tree seedlings has been a concern of foresters in the South and West. Wild pigs have destroyed fragile plant communities in Great Smoky Mountains National Park and other preserves. They have been known to damage fences when going into gardens and can do considerable damage to a lawn or golf course in a single night.

        In California, wild pigs have entered turkey pens, damaging feeders, eating the turkey feed, and allowing birds to escape through damaged fences. Wild pigs in New South Wales, Australia, reportedly killed and ate lambs on lambing grounds. Producers in Texas and California reported to USDA-APHIS-Wildlife Services that 1,473 sheep, goats, and exotic game animals were killed by wild pigs in 1991. Predation usually occurs on lambing or calving grounds, and some hogs become highly efficient predators. Depredation to calves and lambs can be difficult to identify because these small animals may be killed and completely consumed, leaving little or no evidence to determine whether they were killed or died of other causes and then were eaten. Determining predation by wild hogs is possible if carcasses are not entirely eaten, because feral hogs follow a characteristic feeding pattern on lambs (Pavlov and Hone 1982). Photographs and additional information on wild pig predation may be found in the booklet by Wade and Bowns (1982).

        Always be aware of the potential for disease transmission when feral hogs are associated with domestic livestock. Cholera, swine brucellosis, trichinosis, bovine tuberculosis, foot and mouth disease, African swine fever, and pseudorabies are all diseases that may be transmitted to livestock (Wood and Barrett 1979). Bovine tuberculosis was transmitted to beef cattle by wild hogs on the Hearst Ranch in California in 1965. Pork that was infected with hog cholera brought into Kosrae Island in the East Carolinas resulted in the decimation of all domestic and feral hogs on the island.

        If you can separate sex from procreation, you have given women the ability to participate in society on an equal basis with men. -Gloria Feldt

        by skohayes on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 11:08:56 AM PDT

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  •  Isn't this more about feral pigs/boars being (5+ / 0-)

    accidentally released into Michigan's forests and becoming the next invasive species in MI?

    Fuck me! He made it. Will Scarlet

    by dagolfnut on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 10:24:19 AM PDT

    •  Ferals are all over Europe and Asia - Look at (0+ / 0-)

      Wiki mapping thereof

      All things can be managed - with common sense.

      If you desire a better world - be a better person.

      by laserhaas on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 10:38:05 AM PDT

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      •  Yes and no - look at the pythons in the (2+ / 0-)
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      •  Please, suggest an effective management (4+ / 0-)

        for the coming aisian carp invasion coming soon to the Great Lakes. Frankly the best management is keeping invasive species out of the environment in the first place.

        Fuck me! He made it. Will Scarlet

        by dagolfnut on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 10:45:23 AM PDT

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      •  Really? (2+ / 0-)
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        “Control of feral pig populations is difficult at best,” DePerno says. “Research indicates that about 70 percent of the population will need to be removed each year to keep a wild population stable. Regarding feral pigs, hunting usually removes from 8 percent to 50 percent of a given wild population.”
        They breed like flies, and in temperate areas like Florida and Texas, they're a huge problem.
        They just found that feral hogs tested in North Carolina are carrying brucella, which can be transmitted to domestic hogs and people:
        For the first time since testing began several years ago, feral pigs in North Carolina have tested positive for Brucella suis, an important and harmful bacteria that can be transmitted to domestic pigs and people.
        The results surfaced in a North Carolina State University study conducted to test the state’s feral pig populations for several types of bacteria and viruses. Researchers found about 9 percent of feral pigs studied in Johnston County and less than 1 percent surveyed randomly at 13 other sites across the state showed exposure to B. suis.
        Suzanne Kennedy-Stoskopf, a North Carolina State research professor of wildlife infectious diseases, says that testing positive for antibodies to B. suis means the feral pigs have been exposed to and mounted an immune response against the bacteria. Antibodies do not eliminate B. suis from pigs, so the animals are considered infected and capable of transmitting the bacteria to other pigs and people. The United States has long had a swine brucellosis control and eradication program, which by the late 1990s eliminated the disease from all commercial pig populations.

        If you can separate sex from procreation, you have given women the ability to participate in society on an equal basis with men. -Gloria Feldt

        by skohayes on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 11:15:40 AM PDT

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    •  Well, if that's so... (3+ / 0-)
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      ....aren't there BATTALIONS of Orange-Camo'ed steely-eyed killers in Michigan?  
      Sounds like a good job for 'em...they get to hunt, the "wrong" pigs get eliminated...

      Might even distract that idiot Ted Nugent with a little blood-lust for a while.....

      ("Yay! BLAM! there's another one! BLAMBLAM!)

      "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

      by leftykook on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 10:40:28 AM PDT

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  •  I really had to stop (6+ / 0-)

    reading before the body of this diary.  I find this post incomprehensible.  Ergo, I jumped down to the comments and realize that the diary is incomprehensible on different levels.

    Vi er alle norske " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 10:27:37 AM PDT

  •  hmm, this is a rather tough one . . .. (1+ / 0-)
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    typically food safety regulations are a good thing (look at China if you're not convinced)

    but this sounds really, really bad!

    Personally, I think that keeping * any * pigs as a captive food source (as compared to, oh let's say baby seal meat) is a bit beyond the pale, but that's just me.

  •  I Just Noticed You Called Michigan Police Nazis (5+ / 0-)

    That seems reasonable...



  •  Over the top diary (6+ / 0-)

    "Nazi Police", "end of the world as we know it"...

    when the hyperbole is this think, it's hard to determine how much of a threat this actually is.

    Minority rights should never be subject to majority vote.

    by lostboyjim on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 10:43:14 AM PDT

  •  can you please explain what "DNR" represents? (3+ / 0-)
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    means... is it a dept in state gov?


  •  All you superior intellectuals reaching into your (0+ / 0-)

    brain bag - when looking down upon us mere's

    should be looking deeper into your bags.

    If you desire a better world - be a better person.

    by laserhaas on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 10:46:44 AM PDT

  •  after doing some rooting around, it would (6+ / 0-)

    appear this action is related to wild pigs and boars used for private hunting reserves - not food.

    here is another linkwith more information.

    this isn't about large commercial slaughterhouses at all - it is about raising animals for hunting.

    •  No - it t'ain't edrie. The big slaughter lobbies (1+ / 0-)
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      are supporting the over reach of the ISO Act.

      Mark Baker's own words are
      that he is raising a better pork.

      If you desire a better world - be a better person.

      by laserhaas on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 10:57:34 AM PDT

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      •  No, it's not the "slaughter lobbies" (4+ / 0-)

        It's the DNR, who doesn't want to have to deal with the feral hog problems like Texas, Florida, Georgia, Alabama, etc., are dealing with- millions of dollars in damages caused by feral hogs.
        Mark Baker is raising a specific domestic breed, which is exempted in the DNR regulations:

        Wild boar, wild hog, wild swine, feral pig, feral hog, feral swine, Old world swine, razorback, eurasian wild boar, Russian wild boar (Sus scrofa Linnaeus). This subsection does not and is not intended to affect sus domestica involved in domestic hog production.

        If you can separate sex from procreation, you have given women the ability to participate in society on an equal basis with men. -Gloria Feldt

        by skohayes on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 11:22:10 AM PDT

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      •  do more research here... please! (3+ / 0-)
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        when ted nugent is one of the ones leading the charge against the ban (he owns private hunting reserve, btw)

        The ban was originally set to go into effect in June 2011 but was pushed back. Since that time, game ranchers and livestock farmers have protested the requirment. Even rock musician Ted Nugent, who is also an avid Michigan hunter, has called for the state to enact more stringent regulations on farms with the swine, instead of issuing a ban all together. Here’s what Nugent, who owns a game hunting ranch himself, said about the issue in the summer of 2011:
        and states
        “People have lost their minds in Michigan. If there are 7,000 pigs running around Michigan, I’m a gay banjo player in a hee-haw band,” Nugent said, according to the MIRS report.
        Nugent said it is unfair “to paint responsible game ranches with irresponsible ones that let their animals roam free,” according to the MIRS report. “It is killing an industry that brings hundreds of thousands of tourism dollars to the state every year, Nugent said.”
        then, to me, this issue is about guns and hunting - NOT raising meat for food.

        are there legitimate concerns over wild boars and those which escape these "hunting reserves"?  well, here's one account. (same article further down - worth a total read, btw).

        While this may seem a localized issue, Pennsylvania proposed a similar ban six years ago and several other states such as New York are considering one as well. The flip side to Mark Baker’s story, who believes he will lose his livelihood with the ban, are other farms experiencing crop decimation and diseased livestock, which they attribute to the wild pigs. The Philadelphia Inquirer recounts a recent story of one of its local farmers who had this experience:

        Tom Barkman, a Bedford County dairy farmer, got a shock one morning a few years ago when a 15-acre section of his just-planted cornfield was ripped to shreds, the seeds gone.
        The culprits, he would soon find out: a group, or sounder, of feral swine, 300-pound crop consumers that destroy most everything in their path.
        They were escapees, he believed, from a neighboring game-hunting preserve.

        the feral pigs (about 30) destroyed his crop for after three plantings.  AND the pigs are quite dangerous - you can't out run them and they will attack, as they did this same farmer's dairy calves.

        invasive species without natural predation to control that species is extremely destructive to the habitat into which they are introduced.

        the invasive european grapevine moth is threatening severe damage in california - the burmese python in florida - cane toad in australia - eucalyptus tree in california - so many invasive species (and the carp in the great lakes) - why would we deliberately exacerbate the problem?

        again, feral pigs will attack humans, dogs, etc. - they are aggressive and can easily run faster than you can.  if they are not native to the area, why on EARTH would someone try to breed and introduce them?  oh.  i forgot.

        private hunting reserves.

        more resources:
        invasive species - usdas - usda

        pest risk assessment for feral pigs in oregon

        the best and most interesting article is this one -the feral hogs of texas (no, not the ones running for office... the four legged ones...)

        my concerns with this diary is that it only presents one side of a much larger problem.  it isn't as simple as big government against the small "family farm" (that is raising cute piggies to grow up to be hunted down and shot for profit).

        this is a distraction that is an nra pot stirrer to get people to feel threatened - and we shouldn't fall for the deception.

      •  mark baker is not the issue (3+ / 0-)
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        the real problem (quoting from the conservative site "theblaze" ) is the constant reference to the "private hunting reserves" - that is why the feral pigs are being bred.

        these particular animals are hunted for food - i've eaten wild boar and it is very tasty - not as gamey and very lean - but the real issue is the damage the wild pigs do to the environment.  they breed rapidly and are capable of destroying crops and killing lifestock, plus spreading disease.

        they are found widely in california and in many southern states from texas to louisiana and more.

        i think that the article you quoted and mark baker's "selling" of his position is a cover for the desire to raise animals to hunt on these very profitable "small family businesses" - where hunters can come and shoot domestically bred "prey".

        this isn't as simple as it is being presented by those who oppose the law.  and the dangers of allowing ANY invasive species to overrun a habitat means the loss of that natural habitat in ways that may never be recovered.

    •  Haas Is Correct (2+ / 0-)
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      Some of these are being bred for food... specifically to be sold to upscale restaurants the likes of which I will never set foot in... but food none the less.

      The overwhelming majority of family hog farmers are completely unaffected by this though....because they're raising breeds that don't proliferate in the wild.

      •  Breeds that don't proliferate in the wild? (4+ / 0-)

        Just about any hog is going to go feral if it escapes.

        I'll need some room for this...

        by duckhunter on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 11:09:58 AM PDT

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        •  Careful - "red nosed" Mallards are next (0+ / 0-)

          just saying

          quack quack

          If you desire a better world - be a better person.

          by laserhaas on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 11:18:51 AM PDT

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        •  yup and a hog goes feral faster than about any (1+ / 0-)
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          other domesticated animal...I've seen numbers of about 2 weeks average from friendly piggy to 500lb bulldozer with tusks...............

          Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
          I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
          Emiliano Zapata

          by buddabelly on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 11:59:15 AM PDT

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          •  hogs - domesticated - don't have the same (2+ / 0-)
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            tusk of the wild boar and i'm not familiar with domesticated hogs killing lifestock.

            there IS a danger -  it is in the years of genetic breeding that separates the wild from the feral boar.

            •  My 700+ lb Barrow most definitely has tusks (7+ / 0-)

              they usually aren't as developed in domestic hogs because it's the rare hog that lives as long as Willie has, he's about 8 now, most go to slaughter at 9 months or so.

              Let an average domestic boar go and grow and he'll tusk at about 3....Also most breeding boars have their tusks removed for safety.......

              As for killing anything, he has never had any meat in his diet and as such just doesn't recognize it as food at this point....

              He even lets the hens and roosters eat with him....

              He did lay down on a quail once and squished it flat....that's the only thing I know of that he's killed....but he also flops for belly scritches if you touch him so...not your average feral or even hog as my sow was never that sweet tempered........he's a Hampshire cross and a sweet guy, but I stay very aware when in his pens, he could gut a person with a head swing accidentally....

              Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
              I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
              Emiliano Zapata

              by buddabelly on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 12:27:47 PM PDT

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              •  he sounds absolutely beautiful! (2+ / 0-)
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                you should post a picture of this guy in the pootie/woozle/furred and hoofie diaries - i'd love to see what he looks like!

                i like hogs and pigs - they are so intelligent - and quite the personality, too.  pot-bellied pigs are amazing "housepets", too!

                •  since my windoze box died and I'm using an iMac (4+ / 0-)
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                  I can't get into my photobucket account at all or I would....

                  I have one of him wandering the yard in front of my VW and he's bigger than it is....

                  Big beautiful boy with a very sweet temper....

                  He misses the attention he got before he got so big, it's just too dangerous to let him out any more as he could hurt you bad, even though he never would it takes upright wrought iron to hold him now if he wants out.  They truly are the bulldozer of the animal world...he decided he wanted a different pen closer to the house so he broke out of his old one and moved into the one he wanted...I tried moving him back a few times but realized it was futile and let him have the one he's not even close to as secure as his last pen yet he has never tried to get out of the new's right at the front door so he gets his ears scritched every time we go in or out now.

                  They are very intelligent and a lot of fun when he makes a hell of a deterrent when he comes running and snorting up to the fence, people tend to stay out of his AO.......

                  Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
                  I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
                  Emiliano Zapata

                  by buddabelly on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 01:13:05 PM PDT

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            •  Feral pigs, from domestic stock, are very (1+ / 0-)
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              dangerous. Wild pigs fear humans. Ferals not so much. My mom's family is from the Louisiana-Texas area and back in her youth (1940-50's), it was tradition to raise piglets to a point that they can survive on their own, brand them and turn them loose in the forest. Every year, neighbors would convene a pig hunt and round up as many now-feral pigs as possible, portioning out by brand and making sure everyone got a share just for helping.

              The pigs were flat out mean. They were just as likely to attack as run, would maim or kill and if they did feel trapped. Cornered in someone's fenced pasture, they probably would panic and attack livestock in there. (I doubt they'd be so aggressive if they were passing through, just as wild animals pass through fields trying to be unnoticed.) Bulls and cows probably could hold their own, but not calves, sheep, goats. A horse would be a bit iffy, depending on the brains the horse had. They don't need tusks to do serious damage.

              She helped her grandfather out a few times, so, yeah, I have some first hand accounts.

              I am much too liberal to be a Democrat.

              by WiseFerret on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 02:34:08 PM PDT

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      •  Oh, yes, they do (4+ / 0-)
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        They eat everything and anything and can survive quite well in the wild.
        However the specific animals the DNR is referring to is feral breeds used for hunting.
        Also, all hog farmers are affected because of the disease potential these pigs can carry.

        If you can separate sex from procreation, you have given women the ability to participate in society on an equal basis with men. -Gloria Feldt

        by skohayes on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 11:31:35 AM PDT

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        •  i linked to an excellent study and in depth (3+ / 0-)
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          laserhaas, skohayes, flowerfarmer

          look at feral boars in another post.  i'll link it again herebecause it is really worth the read for explaining the problems with the wild boars.

          there is a reason states such as california ban any transporting of plants into the state, that all states require health permits for interstate travel with livestock, etc.

          disease is just one of the issues.  there are many reasons to be concerned.  this isn't just a "pork industry" problem.

  •  If the purpose of the law is to reduce feral hog (1+ / 0-)
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    numbers because of destruction and disease the law makes absolutely no sense.  Just about any escaped domestic pig will quickly become feral.  

    Why not ban all pigs?  Even better ban game farms that actually release wild Russian Boar in MI for "canned hunts":Are these the flop eared feral hogs from down south or are these the real deal?  Yes, they are the real deal!

    Why is releasing a Eurasian hog into a "confined" area permissible but farming strains of hogs that share some aspect of their ancestors' appearance illegal?

    I'll need some room for this...

    by duckhunter on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 11:04:18 AM PDT

  •  After reading the post and the comments (2+ / 0-)
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    laserhaas, marina

    and one of the links, I don't know what to think.  

    Except, this is the Michigan of Gov. Snyder and that's bad to the bone for starters.

    OTOH, feral pigs/swine are definitely a problem in some areas.

    However, what this reminded me most of is Scott Walker's actions against craft breweries in Wisconsin:

    It might be enlightening to check the political contributions of large pig factory operators in Michigan.  

    We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. B. Franklin

    by Observerinvancouver on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 11:31:30 AM PDT

  •  Oh wow - see what I started - now I'm boar'd ☺ (0+ / 0-)

    If you desire a better world - be a better person.

    by laserhaas on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 12:23:13 PM PDT

  •  OOPS Section 404 (☺) - "Prohibited Species" ☻ (0+ / 0-)

    (1) Possession of the following live species, including a hybrid or genetic variant of the species, an
    egg or offspring of the species or of a hybrid or genetically engineered variant, is prohibited:
    (a) New Zealand mud snail (potamopyrgus antipodarum).
    (b) Wild boar, wild hog, wild swine, feral pig, feral hog, feral swine, Old world swine, razorback,
    eurasian wild boar, Russian wild boar (Sus scrofa Linnaeus). This subsection does not and is not
    intended to affect sus domestica involved in domestic hog production.

    We are piggy farmers and makin bacon activists

    If you desire a better world - be a better person.

    by laserhaas on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 12:32:40 PM PDT

  •  Meat species (1+ / 0-)
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    Don't forget that PETA and HSUS are in the war against omnivores. They want to require all of us to become herbivores. They want to end the use of animals for any purpose. How?

    By making normal animal husbandry practices illegal or so expensive to follow as to drive legitimate breeders/ranchers out of business. By making ranch-bred mink (and the coats they produce) an object to be destroyed by throwing red paint on. By decrying the use of dogs as search and rescue, seeing eye or bomb detection dogs.

    They start small, such as indicting "invasive"species, or requiring that chickens must be free range or pigs not being allowed to give birth in small spaces or some other bizarre requirement that has not been proven to be better or more humane than the current practice.

    Anyone who breeds animals knows that you don't get the best quality of anything by abusing the animals you are producing. But that doesn't matter. PETA and HSUS with the assistance of looney-tunes in government will make sure that no one is allowed to even have a pet to tie to the top of the car.

    I reject your reality and substitute my own - Adam Savage

    by woolibaar on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 03:50:23 PM PDT

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