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Mitt Romney
"President Obama is a really nice guy, but his reelection will destroy American civilization"
(Darren Hauck/Reuters)
Mitt Romney yesterday:
Even if you like Barack Obama, we can’t afford Barack Obama
This is a slightly different formulation of an ongoing Romney refrain. In March, he said:
He's a nice guy, but he's in over his head. We need to have a president who understands the economy if we're going to fix the economy.
In January:
We're now on track to retire a guy who's a nice guy but is in over his head.
There's no question that Mitt Romney's "nice guy/but in over his head" formulation is condescending and childish, but conservative James Taranto thinks it's a stroke of political genius:
One advantage an incumbent president has when seeking re-election is that he has already persuaded many voters to cast a ballot for him. That means a challenger--or the incumbent himself, by doing a lousy job--has to convince a substantial number to change their minds. Mitt Romney or Rick Santorum will not become president this November without the support of millions who voted for Barack Obama in 2008. [...] It will be easier for them to change their minds if they believe they overestimated Obama's competence rather than that they supported somebody who posed a "foundational" threat to America.
In Taranto's view, Romney's rhetorical frame is the appropriate way to accomplish that goal:
"He's a nice guy, but . . ." is exquisitely condescending. It's probably not true: Obama strikes us as a petulant narcissist. But calling someone a "nice guy" is rarely a genuine compliment, and it never is when conjoined by "but." As any man who has ever been rejected by a woman knows, describing someone as "a nice guy, but . . ." is another way of saying he's ineffectual. That is exactly the point Romney is making about Obama.
Actually, the phrase "nice guy, but" is anything but exquisite, and using it certainly doesn't reflect a genius political strategy. It's one of the most trite expressions on the planet, and it's hard to see how using it will win Mitt Romney a single vote. It's probably better than calling President Obama an asshole, but that's hardly a powerful argument in its favor.

Nonetheless, Romney (and conservatives) have clearly put a lot of thought into this. For example, Crossroads GPS has come up with a similar formulation, but all that proves is that right-wingers are still world-class overthinkers. If you've convinced yourself that "nice guy, but" is an effective political slogan, then you're probably the kind of person who thinks cutting taxes will balance the budget, that shrinking spending will create jobs, and that attacking Iraq will avenge 9/11.

More than that, however, it suggests that these people are still baffled by Barack Obama. I'll guarantee you that neither Ronald Reagan nor Bill Clinton wasted a moment of time obsessing about something as silly as a "nice guy, but" rhetorical strategy to defeat Jimmy Carter or George H. W. Bush—and neither did their campaign staffs. Yet for some reason, today's conservatives are so bewildered by Obama that they think "nice guy, but" isn't just smart, it's brilliant.

Of course, it's anything but brilliant, especially since it's so transparently insincere. These are guys who hate Barack Obama with such red hot passion that they honestly believe the future of The Republic depends on replacing him with the guy who invented Obamacare. For them, it's not just about what Obama is doing: It's about who he is. And calling him "a nice guy" won't conceal what's truly in their heart.

Originally posted to The Jed Report on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 01:40 PM PDT.

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  •  Mitt Romney is a stiff robot with a stick plugged (7+ / 0-)

    in his asshole

    "Rick Perry talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans." --- James Carville

    by LaurenMonica on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 01:44:56 PM PDT

  •  Romney is the epitome (8+ / 0-)

    of childish in sincereity.   He feels entitled.  Ann Romney told Dianne Sawyer pretty much that.

    It is all about his destiny as the first Mormon President and the White Hourse philosophy.

    After Ann Romney's it is Mitt's turn entitlement, she's not looking so nice aftr all.

    They are very arrogant and entitled.

    •  I pride myself on being able (4+ / 0-)
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      to put my feelings aside and assess people pretty coldly. Romney is the guy who sold you a car once. No one has good memories of that guy. And the more he tries to dispatch that sense, the worse it gets for him.

      Also, it really doesn't matter whether someone is a nice guy or not. The President is not chief BFF. He is there to do a job, sometimes a pretty unpleasant one. So whether Obama or Romney is a "nice guy" doesn't really interest me nor should it anyone. Anyone who even gets to be a nominee assuredly has some charm. But it's not something to run on.

      Fructose is a liver poison. Stop eating it today.

      by Anne Elk on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 05:24:38 PM PDT

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  •  It's the Obama 2008 approach in dealing w McCain (11+ / 0-)

    really - "we respect and honor his military history but..."

    He's trying to make it okay for folks who like Pres Obama to vote against him without feeling bad about it.  

    In reality this is just setting up for the SpuerPAC's to go swiftboat nuclear with Romney attempting to keep his hands clean by saying "Hey, I'm saying he's a nice guy, you guys know I can't control SuperPAC's..."

  •  whenever anyone starts out (7+ / 0-)

    he's a nice guy, I always know the but is coming and is going to entirely contradict the nice guy part.

    It is condescending and disingenuous.   Mitt Romney isn't even a nice guy.  But other than that, what little character he's got is ok.

  •  Exuisite In Terms of Connecting With Masses of (1+ / 0-)
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    everyday voters.  It's a lot more effective than many things Obama says and virtually anything John Kerry says.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 02:02:43 PM PDT

    •  I think the President has Mitt beat as a connector (2+ / 0-)
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      I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth, connects. Ridiculing marvelous as an adverb in everyday conversation, exposes Mitt and connects with normal people. Doing college basketball brackets connects in a way that dressage does not. There is no way in the world that Mitt comes close to connecting with ordinary people as well as a guy who couldn't pay off his student loans for decades, is familiar with using food stamps and knows what it's like to navigate among white relatives, Indonesian relatives and black culture. The President know the Jay-Z trumps Kanye. Mitt sings who lets the dogs out. The President sings Al Green and it becomes instantly viral and pushes Al Green's song up the charts. Mitt sings Davey Crockett and talks about liking the height of trees. Mitt's disingenuous putdown of an accomplished black man--He's a nice guy butt....--is nowhere close to helping Mitt relate to the nearly 70 million voters that elected the President.

      “The only thing that happens in an instant is destruction... but everything else requires time." - First Lady Michelle Obama

      by FiredUpInCA on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 07:59:07 PM PDT

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  •  condescending, patronizing crap (5+ / 0-)

    The President is Will Smith's Fresh Prince to Mitt as Carlton Banks

    Phillip Banks: Carlton, will you relax? My money makes money. We're rich!
    Carlton: That's right, we are rich.
    Will: If we're so rich...
    [Camera pans up to reveal the studio lights]
    Will: ...why we ain't got no ceiling?

    slutty voter for a "dangerous president"; Präsidentenelf-maßschach; Warning-Some Snark Above"Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) "Sciant terra viam monstrare." 政治委员, 政委!

    by annieli on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 02:06:29 PM PDT

  •  His a'hole endorser John McCain (12+ / 0-)

    tweeted this a couple of hours ago

    John McCain‏@SenJohnMcCain

    Good pic of my son Jimmy's bulldog, Apollo - I'm sorry Mr. President, he's not on the menu!

    Tosser hasn't done enough damage sicking Palin, that substance free slogan robot on the world?

    "Rage against the machine, vote for Newt, annoy a liberal." Sarah Palin on Fox News 1.28.12. - HaHaHAHaHaHa! me for the next 10 minutes.

    by AnnetteK on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 02:06:38 PM PDT

  •  Romney is trying to work around (11+ / 0-)

    the fundamental problem of his campaign, which is that America doesn't like rich bankers very much right now, and Barack Obama strikes most of us as a decent smart man (setting aside the usual 27%).

    So if he just attacks Obama he loses, because no one likes him to begin with.

    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra En théorie, il n'y a aucune différence entre théorie et pratique, mais en pratique, il y a toujours une différence. - Yogi Berra

    by blue aardvark on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 02:10:55 PM PDT

    •  LOD discussed a recent poll which (8+ / 0-)

      had 15 questions about character and the President beat Romney on every question.

      This from August, 2011:

      Pew Poll: Voters Grade Obama Low for Performance, Higher for Character

      The other piece of good news for the president is that despite his low ratings on job performance, voters seem to like the man and view him as someone of character.

      The better news for Obama is that he continues to be seen by majorities as someone who stands up for what he believes in (71%), as caring (63%) and trustworthy (59%). Moreover, his 43% job approval rating, while much lower than his rating just a few months ago, is relatively strong given the widespread dissatisfaction with national conditions, increasingly negative views of the economy, and broad distrust of government. And Obama's approval rating continues to be much higher than those for congressional leaders of both parties.

      When someone is impatient and says, "I haven't got all day," I always wonder, How can that be? How can you not have all day? George Carlin

      by msmacgyver on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 05:18:16 PM PDT

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  •  I think you underestimate its effectiveness (8+ / 0-)

    He's talking to relatively uninolved, uninformed voters. Many who did vote for Obama, and who are certainly not buying the "Obama is evil incarnate" hyperbole. Some even on this site - I've seen the "in over his head" frame often enough here. They like Obama. they can see the economy is getting better, but are disappointed it's not there yet. This opens the door a crack to the notion that it might be much better if Obama had been a bit more...competent? seasoned? Next thing you know, they are receptive to giving Mitt another look.

    from a bright young conservative: “I’m watching my first GOP debate…and WE SOUND LIKE CRAZY PEOPLE!!!!”

    by Catte Nappe on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 02:29:24 PM PDT

    •  Tough to say that a guy is in over his head (8+ / 0-)

      when Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive.  The economic picture today seems to validate what he said/did, not undermine it.  Romney has to give a compelling vision of why he should be President.  I haven't seen anything to that effect.

      Alternative rock with something to say:

      by khyber900 on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 05:11:57 PM PDT

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    •  Before Bin Laden maybe. After not close. (7+ / 0-)

      When Bin Laden was killed, the whole frame about Obama shifted. I mean, some of us here, went into the he's not tough enough routine.

      Then he got Bin Laden. Not only that, he was conducting it while whipping out his birth certificate and slapping it across Trump's face over and over at the Correspondent's Dinner. a lot of people saw it as completely tough and resolute.

      A lot of people saw him in a whole new light then. People started to believe in him.

      Sure - from time to time - people have their criticisms. However, in over his head isn't one of them.

      It's going to backfire when the opposition seeks nothing less than complete annihilation of Obama. Anything less for Romney would be seen as weakness.

  •  In this case (1+ / 0-)
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    Taranto may have valid premise but false conclusion. Those changing their minds may not in fact change their votes.

    by kjoftherock on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 02:32:58 PM PDT

  •  Even if we concede Romney's claim... (9+ / 0-)

    ...the fact remains that Romney is a not-nice guy who's in over his head.  Obama wins.

    But nobody's buying flowers from the flower lady.

    by Rich in PA on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 05:03:34 PM PDT

  •  Their definition of "narcissist" is not mine. (6+ / 0-)
    Obama strikes us as a petulant narcissist.

    "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." - Thomas Jefferson

    by rfall on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 05:04:24 PM PDT

  •  Why didn't Romney run for re-election? (7+ / 0-)

    Seems like that is a greater indication of someone who was in over his head. If you can't run a state, why should we expect him to be able to run a country.

    Stop the war against the poor.

    by Dave the pro on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 05:05:17 PM PDT

  •  We Missed Another Chance at Great Pics (4+ / 0-)
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    Yesterday of the mittens speaking in a big sports facility, where 'O' is to give his acceptance speech,  with empty seats all around including the folding chairs.

    According to local TV news reports, the campaign wanted him to speak at the Bank of America stadium, but alas they brought rainy cold weather to Charlotte with them so they had to settle on a site not far away and a banquet room for weddings etc.!

    Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

    by jimstaro on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 05:08:30 PM PDT

  •  I liked Romney better when he played that (3+ / 0-)
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    judge guy in Caddyshack.

    It's not a War On Religion -- it's a War Against Theocracy

    by here4tehbeer on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 05:10:02 PM PDT

  •   I think Romney's critique would have some (8+ / 0-)

    weight if there was something behind himself other than a defensively smug grin.  I have no idea what this man stands for, and neither do most Republicans.  He has no policy positions that cause one to say 'hey, that's an interesting idea or take on a vexing policy issue'!  Even Bush had some nuanced positions during his 2000 campaign on immigration and education which made him seem different than the average Republican. Romney really just comes across as an empty suit.  I don't believe he has demonstrated an ability to get over 46% of the vote on election day.  

    He doesn't even have the ability to acknowledge or critique Obama's stated achievements.  The more one sees Romney the less one likes him.  That doesn't bode well for him in November.

    Alternative rock with something to say:

    by khyber900 on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 05:10:23 PM PDT

    •  Don't feel left out. (3+ / 0-)
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      Even people who know him have no idea what he stands for:

      Dushku is a professor at Suffolk University who for many years was a member of the suburban Boston congregation where Mitt Romney became bishop, occasionally butting heads with him over issues of women in the church.
      “He’s not a man who has a moral core,” she said. “He’s very loyal to the Mormon church, pays his tithing, is faithful to his wife, but he doesn’t have a set of core values you can count on.”
      Can Mitt Talk to Women?
  •  Variant:"He's a really smart/bright guy, but...." (3+ / 0-)
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    Seen that used way too many times

    Response: If you "got it" you wouldn't be a republican

    by JML9999 on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 05:12:43 PM PDT

  •  How lame! (1+ / 0-)
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    The Romney message should be very simple: The economy tanked. Obama said he could fix it. He hasn't. Time for a new approach.

    Fructose is a liver poison. Stop eating it today.

    by Anne Elk on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 05:17:45 PM PDT

    •  That one is easy to respond to (0+ / 0-)

      "Time for a new approach"?  We're listening.  Mitt hopes he can get thru an entire campaign without telling us about his secret to plan to erase a deep recession in three years, while simultaneously letting Detroit go bankrupt and letting the housing market hit bottom.  

      New approach?  Really?  More tax breaks for the wealthy?  Ripping out the safety net, so as to build character in the shiftless underclasses?

      Not really all that new.  As Obama has said over and over

      •  I am not saying it is a winning strategy, (0+ / 0-)

        just his best. He has to make this about the economy and hang a sagging economy around Obama's neck or he has zero chance.

        Fructose is a liver poison. Stop eating it today.

        by Anne Elk on Fri Apr 20, 2012 at 08:29:05 AM PDT

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  •  mitt is a good liar but he will say anything to (3+ / 0-)
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    anybody we can't afford 4 years of him.. he's over his head with no foreign policy experience

    •  he's over his head with no foreign policy......... (3+ / 0-)
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      Case in point

      Romney At Odds With Key Voters On Afghanistan, Says New Poll

      During the Republican primary season, Mitt Romney strongly criticized President Obama's "failed leadership" on Afghanistan and support for a timetable to end the war. But those views are putting him at odds with an increasing chunk of the voters he will need to win the White House in November.

      According to a Pew poll released on Wednesday, 59 percent of swing voters now favor a "rapid U.S. troop withdrawal." The survey defined swing voters as those who are either undecided between Romney and President Obama or may still change their minds.

      Even among Romney's committed supporters, the numbers were not strong. Forty-eight percent of his voters said they want to end the war as soon as possible, compared to 46 percent who want to remain until the situation is "stabilized."

      Those numbers come after other recent polling confirming that the Republican party base Romney needs to court is abandoning its war support in larger numbers. Last week, The Washington Post found that a nearly equal number of Republicans and GOP-leaning independents, 55 percent, no longer back the mission in Afghanistan.

      Response: If you "got it" you wouldn't be a republican

      by JML9999 on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 05:31:36 PM PDT

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  •  This "over his head" is so offensive!! (10+ / 0-)

    And meant to be. Why not just call the president "boy." Same difference to me. It has a racist tinge to it for sure to this old white woman.

    I ask you:

    If President Obama were white would he make that statement repeatedly to try to win right-wing votes?


    "extreme concentration of income is incompatible with real democracy.... the truth is that the whole nature of our society is at stake." Paul Krugman

    by Gorette on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 05:23:22 PM PDT

  •  I disagree Jed. I think it's perfect. (1+ / 0-)
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    If you're a racist or a bigot or hate Obama, this is exactly what you need to moderate your tone. This is your escape hatch. "He's a nice guy...but..." fill in the blank.

    "Not up to the job" is Mitt Romney's message and I think its a pretty good one.

    •  brooklynbadboy, I was working with the Dem Party (1+ / 0-)
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      in another state when one of my co-volunteers was a wealthy woman who had grown up in a privileged Connecticut community--she told me about the way some individuals were black-balled from exclusive clubs.  

      The upwardly mobile individual who wants to join the club asks his (it was usually "his") supposedly good friend to sponsor him for club membership.  The "friend" says more or less, "I'll call right now and ask them to admit you."

      Then the "friend" calls and says i.e., "My good friend, Joe BlueCollar, has applied for membership and I'm asking you to support him. Yes, good, thank you."  But the particular wording really says, "Don't let him in."

      Joe BlueCollar is happy that his "friend" has supported him. His "friend" has both shafted him and his off the hook.

      "'s difficult to imagine what else Republicans can do to drive women away in 2012, unless they decide to bring back witch-hanging. And I wouldn't put it past them." James Wolcott

      by Mayfly on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 06:09:48 PM PDT

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  •  "he's a nice guy, but (6+ / 0-)

    he's black.  And I'm not."

    Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. --Mark Twain

    by SottoVoce on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 05:25:13 PM PDT

  •  One thing for sure, Mitt's no nice guy (3+ / 0-)
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    On the other hand, he knows how to fire people who don't serve him and he wants all women to pursue their "careers" as docile baby makers.  If, god forbid, he ever finagles his way to the White House no one's job, pension or health care will be safe and women who aren't productive, obedient child bearers will be vilified.

  •  "Nice guy" is the first resort of rich (5+ / 0-)
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    assholes, in my experience. It's totally ambiguous and so can be used either to undermine the qualities of an outsider or excuse the stupidity of one of their own. It's spoken in the most vacuous way possible, like a 1980s Valley girl. Either way, it says, "I don't have to justify my opinions because I'm a ruling class insider. All I have to do is speak the code words and anybody that matters will know what I mean, and who cares about the rest?"

    In America, a rising tide lifts all yachts and drowns the workers who built them.

    by DaveW on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 05:26:02 PM PDT

  •  Petulant narcissist? REally???? (3+ / 0-)
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    where do they get this shit?

    "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

    by eXtina on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 05:26:06 PM PDT

  •  Maybe it's just me... (6+ / 0-)
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    ...but this sounds like a dog whistle to me. As in "oh the black guy is nice enough, but you know he's incompetent." Wink. Wink.

    I'm just outraged by this. Democrats should be furious about this. The Black Caucus should be screaming about this.

    " a society governed passively by free markets and free elections, organized greed always defeats disorganized democracy." Matt Taibbi

    by Getreal1246 on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 05:26:59 PM PDT

  •  Reminded of an event from my past (4+ / 0-)
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    I once worked the counter at a fast-food joint, long ago.  One night, a black guy placed an order with me.  As I turned to shove the ticket at the crazy guys in the back who made the pizzas, I saw the manager glaring daggers at the black guy.  He even came up behind me when the guy came up to pay and take his pizza.  After the customer left, I asked the manager what was wrong.  "Nothing, just keep an eye on the black customers."  "Why?"  "Don't get me wrong, some of them are nice guys, but you never can tell."

    I had a similar conversation with my boss at the tool rental store a few years later (I had a lot of crappy jobs when I was an undergrad and a graduate student).  This time I was a little older and countered that argument with one of my own:  "You do realize that the last dozen or so people who have intentionally broken our equipment, cheated us out of rental fees, or never returned the equipment have ALL BEEN WHITE?  Not one of our black customers have been anything other than good customers?  Don't you realize that?"

    Please feel free to HR me for my informative and argumentative nature. 'To know what is right and to do it are two different things.' - Chushingura, a tale of The Forty-Seven Ronin

    by rbird on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 05:31:40 PM PDT

    •  Good for you, rbird, for dragging in facts. nt (2+ / 0-)
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      "'s difficult to imagine what else Republicans can do to drive women away in 2012, unless they decide to bring back witch-hanging. And I wouldn't put it past them." James Wolcott

      by Mayfly on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 05:57:44 PM PDT

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      •  I'd like to say it made a difference.... (1+ / 0-)
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        ....but it didn't.  He was still a closet bigot.  My tool-store boss didn't use ethnic slurs or anything overt, but every time there was a black or hispanic customer in the store while he was there, he'd do the creeper bit and walk up behind me and watch.  If you're white, it would be easy to miss, but it's there like elevator music.  That's why the Mittens line "He's a nice guy, but..." grates in my ears.  I don't know if Mittens meant it as a racist dog whistle or not,  it sounds like one to me.

        Please feel free to HR me for my informative and argumentative nature. 'To know what is right and to do it are two different things.' - Chushingura, a tale of The Forty-Seven Ronin

        by rbird on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 07:09:07 PM PDT

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  •  decent rant but stop using the term "Obamacare" (2+ / 0-)
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    thats a rhetorical formulation from the right. I know you were deflecting their own rhetoric back at them, but in doing so, you make it more ingrained.

    You could be listening to Netroots Radio. "We are but temporary visitors on this planet. The microbes own this place" <- Me

    by yuriwho on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 05:32:01 PM PDT

    •  Good point, yuriwho, but I don't worry about the (1+ / 0-)
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      long-term definition of "Obamacare" because I believe it will be an honor and accolade.

      "'s difficult to imagine what else Republicans can do to drive women away in 2012, unless they decide to bring back witch-hanging. And I wouldn't put it past them." James Wolcott

      by Mayfly on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 05:54:58 PM PDT

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    •  The President embraces the term Obamacare (1+ / 0-)
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      "By the way, I have no problem with folks saying Obama cares. I do care," Obama said.  "If the other side wants to be the folks that don't care, that's fine with me.”

      “The only thing that happens in an instant is destruction... but everything else requires time." - First Lady Michelle Obama

      by FiredUpInCA on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 08:07:14 PM PDT

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  •  I really wish people would stop (0+ / 0-)

    bringing race into everything involving the president. Race is obviously the reason (or at least a reason) many people don't like the president; some people haven't been that subtle with it. But, really it just seems to me paranoid and overbarring to accuse everyone whom mentions the president of racism if it's insulting/stupid or in this case not even that clever or offensive.

  •  Completely aside from the fact that he's a (3+ / 0-)
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    Mayfly, vcmvo2, Creosote

    member of a party that's historically wrong and completely deranged as of late:
    Where the hell would Romney be without the legacy of his father? If he'd been born into a family of working stiffs, like the President was, we wouldn't even know who the hell he was. These are hard times, and this shit is serious, and we can't afford to let a second-rate intellect like Romney anywhere near that office.

    ...and dropping a bar bell he points to the sky, saying "The sun's not yellow-it's CHICKEN!"

    by porchdog1961 on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 05:43:30 PM PDT

  •  Women who have dated widely before marriage all (2+ / 0-)
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    greycat, Creosote

    have known someone like Romney:  smug, condescending, self-proclaimed "good guy", incredibly boring, and immoral on a level he will never understand.  Oh, phleeze!

    "'s difficult to imagine what else Republicans can do to drive women away in 2012, unless they decide to bring back witch-hanging. And I wouldn't put it past them." James Wolcott

    by Mayfly on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 05:52:09 PM PDT

  •  Cookiegate featured on The Ed Show (2+ / 0-)
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    vcmvo2, varro

    tonight.  Not only did he not say "thank you for the snacks" or eat any of them, he also insulted the cookies which were provided by...

    The Bethel Bakery, a Pittsburgh institution:


    An interview with the owner proved that these hard working Pennsylvanians have more class than the gazillionaire who would be President.

    When someone is impatient and says, "I haven't got all day," I always wonder, How can that be? How can you not have all day? George Carlin

    by msmacgyver on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 06:12:43 PM PDT

  •  Republicans just think Obama would be more (0+ / 0-)

    comfortable working as a janitor or a tap-dancer.

  •  As opposed to Mitt Romney.... (0+ / 0-)

    ....who is an a-hole who knows how to pry the money from you and give it to the super-rich.

    9-11 changed everything? Well, Katrina changed it back.

    by varro on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 07:02:34 PM PDT

    •  He's a rich guy, but (0+ / 0-)

      Don't be stupid enough to think he's going to make you rich too.

      Mitt is the quintessential late night infomercial hustler.  Look at me, I'm a gazillionaire, so give me your money/vote, and all that good stuff will magically rub off on you too.

      Does it never occur to people, that sometimes a guy is a rich guy, not because he knows how to create wealth, but because he knows how take it?

    •  Mitt tries to seem like a nice guy, but. . . n/t (0+ / 0-)
  •  Romney thinks Obama has a nice guy butt? NT (0+ / 0-)

    We lose if we choose to forget; the lives of men, and money spent.

    by DeanDemocrat on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 07:24:05 PM PDT

  •  Romney is a true GOPer (1+ / 0-)
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    Grand Old Projectionist. Clearly a guy who could not keep Santorum and Newt Gingrich from being competitive and who has the lowest favorability of a frontrunner in modern American history is in over his head. How can you be the wealthiest candidate in the current campaign season and not eliminate Santorum and Gingrich in the first month with all of their well-documented toxicity?

    How can you lose Iowa to Rick Santorum and not consider yourself in over your head? How can you have a staff so incompetent that you don't qualify for the ballot in Illinois? How can you have such lousy message discipline that after you've won a state, you lose the news cycle to "I like firing people"?

    The list goes on and on. Calling post-Cold War Russia are number one foreign adversary. Choosing a poorly attendended event in a stadium that seats thousdand in Michigan--the state deeply associated with you--which makes you the laughingstock of the news cycle? Having surrogates that are either poorly vetted (Ted Nugent) or screw up your message (the surrogate that said the President was right to bail out GM).

    Romney's entire campaign has been telegraphed from Day One. Every area in which he is vulnerable, he will project on the President whether it has any basis in reality or not.

    The 'he's a nice guy but in over his head' line coming from the guy who ranked 47th in job creation with a highly-qualified job pool like Massachusetts, is clearly Romney projecting on the President.

    The President was up against the both Clintons and prevailed. Romney with all his wealth and experience in running for President couldn't eliminate Gingrich and Santorum. That tells you everything you need to know as to who is in over his head.

    “The only thing that happens in an instant is destruction... but everything else requires time." - First Lady Michelle Obama

    by FiredUpInCA on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 08:24:01 PM PDT

  •  I had the misfortune of listening to Glenn Beck (0+ / 0-)

    the other day. I turned on my radio (which I'd forgotten to change stations on) and heard the quote from Romney. I knew it was Beck's show, but I listened with morbid curiosity, because I knew what he was going to say and couldn't believe I would be right. Sadly, I was.

    He yelled in his mock outrage- "How can Romney say Obama's a nice guy?! Obama's not a nice guy! He's lying to 350 million people, he hates America, he..." To which I screamed at the radio- "Well, apart from the fact he's got a tiny shred of decency, it's because Romney's a politician and has to say it, you #$%!!! Go ahead and run Romney's campaign for him yourself! You'd have him calling Obama a racist, fascist, communist nazi, you lying anti-semetic sack of #$%^!"

    It's probably a good thing I don't carpool.

    -this space for rent-

    by EsnRedshirt on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 08:32:29 PM PDT

  •  Romney knows exactly (0+ / 0-)

    what he is saying and his supporters have already translated that dog whistle.  You did get it right when you say that he was condescending.  A lot of people have heard during their lifetime:  You are so talented but... this major is not for you because you are in over your head.  You are so qualified but... you cannot get that promotion because you are going to be in over your head.

    The moment Romney starting using this line, I knew exactly what he was saying:

    Let's pretend that we think Obama is nice, but you cannot elect him because he does not belong in the white house.  The in over his head is a "nice" way of saying that Obama with all of his degrees and Ivy League education is not smart enough to be the POTUS.  And we all know what disqualify him from the post.

    Obama has kept us "safe" since he came into office!

    by mariefla on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 08:55:55 PM PDT

  •  He's a rich guy, but (0+ / 0-)

    But that doesn't mean he knows how to make you prosperous too.

    Or gives a crap, if any one else prospers.

    In fact, you know, sometimes being a rich guy means you figured out how to take money from the other guys.

    In fact, sometimes rich guys get into government, because the see an angle there to make themselves and their friends even richer.

    So far as I can see, that is Mitt's sole credential:  Vote for me, I'm rich, so elect me and hope it will somehow rub off on you.

    So back atcha, Mittens:

    Sure, he's a rich guy, but.

  •  they say "nice guy" (0+ / 0-)

    but what they really mean is something else that starts with an "n".  Like, "We need to take our country back from that dirty "nice guy"."  

    "Yes, I know my enemy. They're the teachers who taught me to fight me, compromise, conformity, assimilation, submission, ignorance, hypocrisy, brutality, the elite. All of which are American dreams....."

    by rickrocket on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 11:50:15 PM PDT

  •  gender gap... (0+ / 0-)

    As any man who has ever been rejected by a woman knows, describing someone as "a nice guy, but"...

    dear lord taranto's article seems to assume a pre-19th amendment world where every single voter is "a man" who has been rejected by a woman... and can be politically manipulated accordingly

    It is difficult to get the news from poems, yet men die miserably every day for lack of what is found there. --William Carlos Williams

    by Richard Platypus on Fri Apr 20, 2012 at 12:18:39 AM PDT

  •  Obama is a nice guy AND a very good President. (0+ / 0-)

    Obama has done a very good job despite the problems handed to him by 30 years of Con-servative Republicans  and by treasonous RepTealian opposition.  

    Americans looking for solutions to the dismantling of the American Social Contract and the decline of the Middle Class would be suicidally insane to go back to the party that caused all of their problems.  The solution is to go back to the first two years of Obama but with stronger majorities.


  •  crush Con-servative Rommunism or be crushed by it (0+ / 0-)
  •  Willard the Rat Romney is a condescending (0+ / 0-)

    asshole but he is the condescending asshole of the Party Of
    Outstanding Patriotic Evangelical Republicans. POOPER.
    Just a pile of used bumwad.

  •  I think you're underestimating this meme. (0+ / 0-)

    It's obviously insincere bullshit (and offensive), but that doesn't matter.  

    This framing provides a smiley happy facade of reasonability to the low info types.  It gives them a way to publicily oppose the President without appearing to be mouth breathing right wing freaks, even though they are.

    "Give to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." - Robert G. Ingersoll

    by Apost8 on Fri Apr 20, 2012 at 06:08:11 AM PDT

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