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These days a lot of people are saying a lot of crazy nut-bag stuff.  Ann Coulter used to be the undisputed queen of the crazy, with Michelle Malkin barking at her heels.  Now we get the crazy from Newt (Moon Base Factor 5) Gingrich, Rick (Contraceptives are Bad) Santorum, Allen (Progressives are Communists) West, and Virginia (Students Loans are Evil) Foxx.

So these days, Coulter has to say something that displays a Special K Brand of Crazy to get noticed among the nut-bag din. Therefore we have a situation where she suggests that the solution for Black people like Trayvon Martin - who was a minor - being profiled is for them to Get More Guns.  

Yes, really - as if America doesn't already have enough of them.

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“We don’t know the facts yet, but let’s assume the conclusion MSNBC is leaping to is accurate: George Zimmerman stalked a small black child and murdered him in cold blood, just because he was black,” Coulter wrote in a column titled “Negroes with Guns.”

“If that were true, every black person in America should get a gun and join the National Rifle Association, America’s oldest and most august civil rights organization.

Uh, What!!!??

But wait, it gets worse.

Yeah, I can see how Black People are going to feel extreme comfortable palling around with people like this.

Back to Coulter.

“It was the Republican Party and the NRA that has always supported arming blacks in order to protect themselves from the Democratic Ku Klux Klan,” she explained.

O’Reilly summed up Coulter’s argument: “So what you’re saying is if MSNBC’s and NBC News’ hypothesis is true that this was a racially-biased driven murder, that all African Americans should take that as a warning sign and arm themselves against that happening to them. Therefore, they should support the NRA, they should support he the law that allows you to fight back if threatened and they should arm themselves.

“Yes,” Coulter agreed. “And the reason I thought of it is because liberals are leaping to exactly the opposite conclusion that, ‘Oh, we have to get rid of these Stand Your Ground laws.’ They’re against easy issuing of concealed carry permits. As well as I point out in my column, Martin Luther King Jr., a Christian minister under constant death threats, applied for a gun permit after his house was fire bombed and the Alabama authorities, under the discretionary gun permit law, said, ‘No. No, this Christian minister is not suitable for a gun permit.’ That’s how discretionary permits work. The history books will often try and twist the history by referring to the KKK and the racist as Southerners. Oh, no, no, no. The Republicans in the South weren’t discriminatory. … The one thing all of the discriminators and the KKK sympathizers — or KKK themselves — had in common was they were all Democrats.

So let's get this straight here, her ideas is that Trayvon Martin - a 17-year-old - should have had a concealed carry permit, and been packing a 9mm just like George Zimmerman and then, and only then, would he be safe?

That if only Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. had been granted a gun permit, he wouldn't have been shot in the throat by a sniper?

How would that work exactly?

And what's this mess about the NRA being a "Civil Rights Organization"?  That's not how they started out, they were a marksmanship club and shooting team formed by former Civil War Soldiers in 1871.  Yes, that does predate the NAACP which was formed in 1909, but their purposes were entirely different.  The NAACP was formed to combat Lynchings of Black People and began fighting that through the courts from it's inception.  The NRA from it's beginning was focused on improving the marksmanship of U.S. soldiers exclusively until their legislative arm was formed in 1934 in support of the National Firearms Act, 25 Years after the NAACP was formed.

As to the issue of the KKK being connected with the Democratic Party - as the old Deep Throat character from the X-Files used to say, "A lie is best contained between two truths" - in this case what she claims is true, but is also a lie.  The KKK were actually linked with Dixiecrats who were in truth unrepentant Confederates who resented Lincoln the first Republican President. They were also something else, they were Conservatives.

After passage of the Civil Rights Act, those Conservatives Left the Democratic Party in Droves led by the late U.S. Senator Strom Thurman.  They became Republicans.

It was Republican Presidential Candidate Barry Goldwater who opposed the Civil Rights Act, not just Southern Dixiecrats like Thurman or the late Democratic Senator Byrd.

And today the KKK and those who oppose Civil Rights are STILL Republicans and Conservatives.

What Party did former Grand Wizard David Duke run under?  Republican.

What Party has both Ron and Rand Paul who have both echoed the Goldwater objection to the Civil Rights Act, arguing that Property Rights are More important than Civil Rights? Republican.

The argument that the KKK is exclusively or totally "Democratic" is just plain bull crap.

But let's get to the deeper issue, the view that "Stand Your Ground" is a good thing in general for Black people - but gee - if only more of them were armed people would just leave them alone.

Yeah, uh huh.

It was because a 9-11 caller lied when he claimed he was robbed at gunpoint, that police shot and killed 19-year-old Kendrec McDade in Pasadena last month.  Kendrec wasn't armed, and he also wasn't the right person.

Here's video of Police Shooting and Killing 22 year-old Shonchy Thaopraseuth because he had a gun. Allegedly.

The claim was that Patrick Dorismond had a gun, when Police shot and killed him.  He didn't.

They said they thought Amadour Diallo had a gun, He didn't.

And there have been many, many others.

2003: While surrendering on his knees in front of four Las Vegas police officers, Orlando Barlow is shot with an assault rifle by officer Brian Hartman from 50 feet away. Hartman argued that he feared Barlow was feigning surrender and about to grab a gun. Barlow was unarmed.

2006: Just hours before his wedding, 23-year-old Sean Bell leaves the strip club hosting his bachelor party, jumps into a car with two friends, and is killed when police fire 50 shots into his vehicle, wounding his friends. Police say they opened fire after Bell rammed his car into an unmarked police van filled with plainclothes officers. They say they followed Bell and his friends outside the club suspecting that one person in their group had a gun. Referring to Bell and his friends, Mayor Bloomberg told the Associated Press "there is no evidence that they did anything wrong."

2009: On New Years morning, three Bay Area Rapid Transit officers pull 22-year-old Oscar Grant and four other black men off a train in Oakland. You can view what happened afterwards in this Youtube video. In it, now former-transit officer Mehserle can be seen shooting Grant in the back. During the trial, Mehserle argued that he thought Grant was reaching for a gun near his waistband.

As I type this, I'm listening to the Zimmerman bail hearing  where George himself took the stand and claimed he thought Trayvon was an adult and he didn't know if he was armed or not.

So Zimmy claims his assumption going into their confrontation was that Trayvon could be armed and he simply acted accordingly?

Just like Police did with McDade, and Dorismond and Diallo and hundreds upon hundreds of others I guess. Hmm.

Yeah, let's have more of that. Not.


Originally posted to Vyan on Fri Apr 20, 2012 at 09:26 AM PDT.

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  •  Black people tried that once... (15+ / 0-)

    When black people armed themselves in America out of fear, they don't get the NRA...they get the FBI and COINTELPRO shooting them dead in their beds while they slept.

    All Trayvon Martin had was a bag of skittles and they managed to turn him into a dangerous juvenile delinquent.

  •  Let's assume that there are people (13+ / 0-)

    who will shoot black people whether they are armed or not.

    One solution is for black people to arm themselves and kill their attackers, vigilante style, and let the gutters overtop with blood.

    The other would be for America to continue the difficult work of achieving racial harmony so that people don't get shot for the color of their skin.

    Evidently O'Reilly and Coulter find the first alternative less threatening than the second.

    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra En théorie, il n'y a aucune différence entre théorie et pratique, mais en pratique, il y a toujours une différence. - Yogi Berra

    by blue aardvark on Fri Apr 20, 2012 at 09:32:29 AM PDT

  •  Debunktion Junction at its best (7+ / 0-)
    As to the issue of the KKK being connected with the Democratic Party - as the old character from the X-Files used to say, "A Lie is best contained between two truths" - in this case that is true, but also a lie.  The KKK were actually linked with Dixiecrats who were in truth unrepentant Confederates who resented Lincoln the first Republican President. They were also something else, they were Conservatives.

    After passage of the Civil Rights Act, those Conservatives Left the Democratic Party in Droves led by the late U.S. Senator Strom Thurman.  They became Republicans.

    It was Republican Presidential Candidate Barry Goldwater who opposed the Civil Rights Act, not just Southern Dixiecrats like Thurman or the late Senator Byrd.

    And today the KKK and those who oppose Civil Rights are STILL Republicans.

    What Party did former Grand Wizard David Duke run under?  Republican.

    Excellent Diary, thanks.

    When someone is impatient and says, "I haven't got all day," I always wonder, How can that be? How can you not have all day? George Carlin

    by msmacgyver on Fri Apr 20, 2012 at 09:36:17 AM PDT

  •  Coulter is a virus. You can bet that if Trayvon.. (9+ / 0-)

    had been armed, all any one of these racist defenders would be saying would be "if he was so innocent WHY was he carrying a gun?"

    Draw the LINE: Ted Nugent is a Pedophile. Tell anyone who will listen and shout it to those who won't.

    by LiberalCanuck on Fri Apr 20, 2012 at 09:37:22 AM PDT

  •  Well, the (7+ / 0-)

    title Negro With Guns is taken from a 50s work by black radical and NAACP leader Robert Williams, who advocated that blacks arm themselves to protect themselves from Klan violence. Not that Coulter cares about the lives of blacks...

  •  Just spoke with Robert Franklin's ghost about this (7+ / 0-)

    His response:

    "Um, not quite what I was saying. Please tell the nice lady to stop using my book title."

    Fair's fair. I don't vote in your church; don't go preaching in my government New video: "The Future Just Ain't What It Used to Be"

    by Crashing Vor on Fri Apr 20, 2012 at 09:39:51 AM PDT

  •  So our society is to revert (4+ / 0-)

    back to the days of the wild west, where duels in the street can solve petty differences.

    Think about it.  No longer will we need small claims courts.  Problems with your neighbor over a fence-or garbage pails?  Call him out at high noon.

    And that guy who cut you off on the freeway?  He won't be driving anymore.

    And, with every citizen carrying an armed weapon, our motto can be changed to- Shoot first, ask questions later.

    Growing old is inevitable...Growing up is purely optional

    by grannycarol on Fri Apr 20, 2012 at 09:53:34 AM PDT

    •  From The Great James Baldwin... (2+ / 0-)
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      blue aardvark, Knucklehead
      "There are days -- this is one of them -- when you wonder what your role is in this country and what your future is in it. How, precisely, are you going to reconcile yourself to your situation here and how you are going to communicate to the vast, heedless, unthinking, cruel, white majority, that you are here?  I'm terrified at the moral apathy -- the death of the heart which is happening in my country. These people have deluded themselves for so long, that they really don't think I'm human.  I base this on their conduct, not on what they say, and this means that they have become, in themselves, moral monsters. It's a terrible indictment -- I mean every word I say.  It doesn't matter any longer, and I'm speaking for myself, for Jimmy Baldwin, and I think I'm speaking for a great many Negroes too. It doesn't matter any longer what you do to me; you can put me in jail, you can kill me.  By the time I was 17, you'd done everything that you could do to me.  The problem now is, how are you going to save yourselves?"
      [Emphases added]
    •  i have been saying this for awhile Granny (2+ / 0-)
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      grannycarol, Knucklehead

      just wild need for police forces....that well armed militia..A lot of savings there for the state.  The pepper spray will plummet on the nasdaq and every man woman and child for themselves.  i also brainstormed the left have their own version of a rifle association ( which I don't like guns)  That American Rifle Association.  Thats the ticket !!!!

      wow just wow......Coulter has finally lost her one working brain cell which only worked part time.

      We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

      by Vetwife on Fri Apr 20, 2012 at 01:31:50 PM PDT

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  •  Show of hands KKK members, how many of (2+ / 0-)
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    Dave in Northridge, Knucklehead

    you are democrats? Thought so.

    The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. G.B. Shaw

    by baghavadgita on Fri Apr 20, 2012 at 10:28:14 AM PDT

  •  Ann seems to forget one thing (5+ / 0-)

    Democrats of the mid 19th century were CONSERVATIVES and the New Republican party were the PROGRESSIVES. So calling the KKK the Democratic KKK, is misleading.  They should have been referred to the CONSERVATIVE KKK.

    Ann's totally uninformed audience, however, will never understand it.

    "Now watch what you say or they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, a fanatical criminal" -- Logical Song -- Rick Davies & Roger Hodgson

    by Over50Lib on Fri Apr 20, 2012 at 10:33:18 AM PDT

  •  Ann who? (2+ / 0-)
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    "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

    by happy camper on Fri Apr 20, 2012 at 10:41:01 AM PDT

  •  No mention of where the title came from? (2+ / 0-)
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    Negroes with Guns, Robert Franklin Williams

    First published in 1962, Negroes with Guns is the story of a southern black community's struggle to arm itself in self-defense against the Ku Klux Klan and other racist groups. Frustrated and angered by violence condoned or abetted by the local authorities against blacks, the small community of Monroe, North Carolina, brought the issue of armed self-defense to the forefront of the civil rights movement. Under the leadership of Robert F. Williams (1925-1996), Monroe became the test case of the right of blacks to armed self-defense when law and order broke down.

    •  I don't think she knew about that (1+ / 0-)
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      in fact, I'm pretty sure of it.  Crashing Vor mentioned this too.

      •  Of couse she did . . . the title of her column is (1+ / 0-)
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        exactly the same -- "Negroes with Guns" -- and about half of it is dedicated to discussing Robert Williams:

        The NRA opposed these discretionary gun permit laws and proceeded to grant NRA charters to blacks who sought to defend themselves from Klan violence -- including the great civil rights hero Robert F. Williams.

        A World War II Marine veteran, Williams returned home to Monroe, N.C., to find the Klan riding high -- beating, lynching and murdering blacks at will. No one would join the NAACP for fear of Klan reprisals. Williams became president of the local chapter and increased membership from six to more than 200.

        But it was not until he got a charter from the NRA in 1957 and founded the Black Armed Guard that the Klan got their comeuppance in Monroe.

        Williams' repeated thwarting of violent Klan attacks is described in his stirring book, "Negroes With Guns." In one crucial battle, the Klan sieged the home of a black physician and his wife, but Williams and his Black Armed Guard stood sentry and repelled the larger, cowardly force. And that was the end of it.

        As the Klan found out, it's not so much fun when the rabbit's got the gun.

        She goes on to quote the following passage from the preface to Williams' book:
        I have asserted the right of Negroes to meet the violence of the Ku Klux Klan by armed self-defense -- and have acted on it. It has always been an accepted right of Americans, as the history of our Western states proves, that where the law is unable, or unwilling, to enforce order, the citizens can, and must act in self-defense against lawless violence.
  •  The KKK in Indiana were all Republicans and (2+ / 0-)
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    Vetwife, Knucklehead

    the Governor as well as 1/2 the legislature were all members in the 1920's. This was true in most of the Midwest they were mostly Republicans. In the South they were all mostly Democrats. It depended on what party dominated the state.

    -1.63/ -1.49 "Speaking truth to power" (with snark of course)!

    by dopper0189 on Fri Apr 20, 2012 at 12:18:59 PM PDT

  •  Remember all those Wild West shows? (2+ / 0-)
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    Vetwife, Knucklehead

    I think it's back to the future for us.   I can see it now:  showdowns at high noon in the street, people flitting from cover to cover to avoid being seen and shot, neighbors opening fire when one's dog sh*ts in the other's yard.  Oh yeah, that sound just great....

    (Some of you may be too young to have seen Gunsmoke, Wyatt Earp, Maverick, The Rifleman, etc., etc.  It's not a pretty picture when you think about it as reality.)

    -7.62, -7.28 "Hold fast to dreams, for if dreams die, life is a broken winged bird that cannot fly." -Langston Hughes

    by luckylizard on Fri Apr 20, 2012 at 12:28:58 PM PDT

    •  Funny you should mention that lucky (2+ / 0-)
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      I was watching Chuck Conners on the Rifleman the other night as he explained to Mark what happens when people quit caring about how their government works and it goes unchecked and then he said, you get the Roman empire.  Wow.. that Lucas was having a vision for us back then and it caught up with us in the reruns.

      We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

      by Vetwife on Fri Apr 20, 2012 at 01:35:52 PM PDT

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      •  The more things change, (1+ / 0-)
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        the more the stay the same.  I'm reading The Book of Snobs by Wm. Thackeray.  It was written in 1848 about English society.  If you updated the prose, it could refer to last week in the USA.  

        When I was thinking back on those old Westerns, I also remembered how naive we were then.  The reason those shows were so popular was because we'd come so far.  Now I see what an illusion that was.

        -7.62, -7.28 "Hold fast to dreams, for if dreams die, life is a broken winged bird that cannot fly." -Langston Hughes

        by luckylizard on Sat Apr 21, 2012 at 04:51:14 AM PDT

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    •  I won't be like that (1+ / 0-)
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      because you don't have to play "What If?" - it's already happening on urban streets.  It's fair to assume that most people in South Central or Central Detroit already have a gun - and are more than willing to use them.  And it's fair to assume everyone else knows that.  The result hasn't been a lowering of crime or gun violence, it's been a change in tactics leading from "gun fights" to "drive-by shootings".  From someone doing a window smash and grabbing a car to waiting until the driver themselves disables Lockjack and The Club, then bodily pulling them out of the car, from just breaking into a house when people are on vacation to doing Home Invasions while they're still in the house -  and it's led to more and more officer involved shootings, both where innocent people have been shot, and more Officers Have been Killed because the perps have guns too.

      Ain't nothing about it pretty.


      •  Well, the solution to gun violence (0+ / 0-)

        is more guns, right?  Right?

        Honestly, the more I hear that we all need to arm ourselves against each other, the more I'm convinced that we have only barely evolved from our primate ancestors.  If I were ever to buy a gun, it would be to protect myself from the vigilantes whose numbers seem to increase like rabbits.  

        I know that my neighborhood can't compare with what you describe, but there are a lot of people who would be afraid to walk through here, let alone live here.  There is a little convenience store around the corner and it gets lots of traffic.  One evening, I was going in for a pack of smokes and a young AA man was coming out.  It's a narrow doorway and I stepped back to let him out.  He did the same and held the door for me (I'm a little old brown woman).  "C'mon in, li'l mama," said he.  I just had to smile.  This young man was tough as nails and would not have backed down from anyone for any reason, I'm sure.  Still, someone had taught him right and he deferred to an old woman.

        Incidents like that give me hope, even when I hear things that sound suspiciously like gunshots in the night.

        -7.62, -7.28 "Hold fast to dreams, for if dreams die, life is a broken winged bird that cannot fly." -Langston Hughes

        by luckylizard on Sat Apr 21, 2012 at 05:06:11 AM PDT

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  •  She misspelled "Republican KKK". (1+ / 0-)
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    Though the gun control act of 1968, like most that went before it, was indeed aimed of keeping gun out of the hands of blacks.

    Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

    by Robobagpiper on Fri Apr 20, 2012 at 03:19:07 PM PDT

  •  She's a sociopath with Asperger's d/o (1+ / 0-)
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    The problem isn't really her, it's that there are people stupid or sociopathic enough to listen to her.  In a rational society she would be shunned and unemployed, except possibly as a dominatrix.  That would suit her.

  •  Ann is as crazy as a fox. She knows what she (0+ / 0-)

    is saying.
    She knows that the second amendment is for everybody except black people.
    Can you imagine young black men walking around with guns?
    Just ask Amadou Diallo about that.
    Ooops. Sorry. He is dead because they claimed that he had one.
    That Ann. She just wants to keep the police busy.

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