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Rep. Mike Rogers (R-MI), primary sponsor of the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act (CISPA) bill, is "confident" that the House will pass his bill on Thursday, despite the fact that the White House has criticized the approach taken in the bill, suggesting President Obama might not sign this version.

You might have heard that there were amendments that made the bill less dangerous. The ACLU, along with many other groups, including the Center for Democracy and Technology, Free Press, the Electronic Frontier Foundation and the Constitution Project, are still opposed to it because it still poses serious dangers to individual privacy.

  1. CISPA still allows companies to share lots of sensitive and private information about our internet use with the government. [...]
  2. CISPA still lets military agencies such as the National Security Agency directly collect the Internet records of American citizens who use the public, domestic, civilian Internet. [...]
  3. CISPA still lets the government use the private information it collects about us for any purpose it deems fit outside of regulation. [...]
The bill still allows private companies to share information about their customers with each other and with the government with little more than an assertion that this information sharing is necessary for national security. No warrants, no subpoenas, and this law supersedes any other privacy protection law. Oh, and this, too: it would immunize companies from either criminal or civil liability for personal data shared under CISPA. So they have basically no incentive not to collect as much information as they can about their customers.

It's still a bad bill. Tell Congress to stop CISPA.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Mon Apr 23, 2012 at 02:15 PM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  Thanks, Joan.... (12+ / 0-)

    I signed the email, and am tipping and rec-ing this so more eyes can see this. I know there have been other diaries about this, but personally, I did not send an email to my rep, Pete Defazio, until today. Life sometimes gets in the way :).

  •  Tipped & recced, & this belongs on the Rec List. (7+ / 0-)

    People need to know about this so we can stop it, & fast.

    •  Ditto. How many goddam times are they gonna try to (5+ / 0-)

      push this crap down our throat.

      Every effin month it seems they come up w/another egregious piece of shit bill with another cutesy harmless sounding acronym. We are playing 'whack-a-mole'.

      The intent is to desensitize the minimally informed public, and wear the rest of us down.

      G2 is right. Pushback is necessary.

      •  Until we all are forced.... (4+ / 0-)

        ... to fork over the money to get the telescreens that spy on us inside our homes/apartments (which makes communications corporations richer, of course, just like insurance, medical, and pharmaceutical corporations are going to profit from us not too long from now (as pharmaceutical ad insurance corporations do now from senior citizens and disabled people).  Y'know.  The kind Winston Smith and that group were forced to endure, awake or asleep in Nineteen eighty-four.

        I knew nothing good would come of telecom immunity in the FISA fiasco '08 bill..., which Obama voted FOR, remember.

        He couldn't justify his actions then, and neither he nor our Congress Critters can justify it now.

        Thanks to the first piece of unconstitutional legislation (the Patriot Act), the encroachment on our civil liberties and our civil rights has become more and more insistent.

        George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "Nineteen eighty-four was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

        I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

        by NonnyO on Mon Apr 23, 2012 at 05:53:20 PM PDT

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        •  And how many (3+ / 0-)
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          social programs like food stamps, Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security are going to be slashed to pay for things like the NSA and Homeland Security.  Don't these extra departments require additional funding?  What good is all this security if we don't have jobs, a stable ecomony and social safety nets for the disabled, poor and elderly.  

          Perhaps, I don't' understand the situation, but I don't want to feel like everything I'm doing is being recorded and monitored like I'm in a prison.  I like it when we were trusted as citizens.

          "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolution­ary act. " George Orwell

          by zaka1 on Mon Apr 23, 2012 at 06:40:42 PM PDT

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          •  To protect the 1% from democracy, of course. (2+ / 0-)
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            What good is all this security if we don't have jobs, a stable ecomony and social safety nets for the disabled, poor and elderly
            We're just the serfs who are supposed to shut up & shop — & tithe the fundy megachurches every Sunday.

            All this Heimatsicherheit is simply the 1%ers' means to protect their status from those of us who want to live freely & decently.

            Tell Congress: DON'T BREAK THE INTERNET! Fight CISPA! Stop Cyber Spying!

            by Brown Thrasher on Mon Apr 23, 2012 at 07:00:04 PM PDT

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            •  I think if the ecomony (3+ / 0-)
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              doesn't start growing at a better rate and wages stay depressed and they don't recognized that people are struggling to find employment that pays for a standard of living that covers everything they want us to shell out of pocket for, then yes, people will get upset.  They already are and everyone wants a peaceful resolution to some of the problems that face us, that's all.

              But our politicians have lost touch with the 99%.  Seriously, how many of representatives actually have ever lived or currently are living on an income of less than $60,000.00 a year or a fixed income of $12,000.00 a year on disability (and childhood doesn't count).  How can you lead all the people if you don't understand the problems.  That is why the 1% are fine, our politicians can identify with them, but not us.

              "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolution­ary act. " George Orwell

              by zaka1 on Mon Apr 23, 2012 at 08:16:52 PM PDT

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          •  Today's "news" brought up... (3+ / 0-)
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            ... the "fix Social Security" meme again.

            Poor economy worsens Social Security's finances
            Government: Poor economy, high energy prices, shorten life of Social Security fund by 3 years
            This story was on local ABC "news" earlier this evening.  The phrase they're using now is "Social Security will run dry by 2033."

            When the "fix Social Security" meme first started, the realistic people could quote the studies that said "Social Security will NOT be broke in 2037; payments will need to be reduced if FICA is not increased, but it won't be broke."

            Now the drums for "fixing Social Security" will really be insistent again.

            So much for Obama's tax cut which is the one that cut so much out of FICA.  The Bushista tax cuts were given to big corporations and the uber-rich that already pay little to nothing in taxes, but the Obama tax cut plus the extension of the Bushista tax cuts while continually borrowing money to keep at least one illegal war going and drones being built and dropping bombs in countries with whom we are not at war (yet) is just the height of stupidity.

            You're being realistic.  They will cut programs that help people in favor of perpetual and undefined war with ephemeral guerrilla criminals who commit terrorist acts and fade away or die in their attacks... (and I - sadly - think SCOTUS will decide in favor of having us being forced to contribute to insurance, medical, and pharmaceutical profit margins which will give them record-setting profits).

            The corporatization of America is developing at an accelerated rate.

            Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power.
            Benito Mussolini

            Fascism, the more it considers and observes the future and the development of humanity, quite apart from political considerations of the moment, believes neither in the possibility nor the utility of perpetual peace.
            Benito Mussolini

            I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

            by NonnyO on Mon Apr 23, 2012 at 07:14:17 PM PDT

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            •  Thanks NonnyO (3+ / 0-)
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              I saw this earlier and being disabled and in my fifties my anxiety level is through the roof.  I'm on my own and seriously have been trying to figure out what am I going do since the ecomony is still not healthy and whatever job I could get would still not be enough to keep housing over my head.  My gut is screaming that they are going to trash both programs, they have all the others and it is being done by increments to get us use to the poverty.  

              I've lost my trust in believing that things will be taken care of for the people, I just haven't seen that over the last twelve years.  I know my fears are getting to me, but it isn't just about me, it is about so many people out there that are really struggling.

              Never, never in my fifty some years have I ever heard government calling its own citizens lazy, stupid, drug addicts, etc.  This to me is a real sign that those in power think their population is worthless, and I have yet heard Democrats speaking out for the poor, disabled, elderly, and children in poverty.  I know I shouldn't be saying this, but I can't go into another election ignoring these things.  I know this sounds crazy, but I think a lot of people are really concerned and no one wants a Republican Presidency either.  And I can't cheer on my own demise either.

              And if they only come out during election season and talk about all their concern for us that they have for some reason concealed these last four years, I have a hard time believing in them.  At least when FDR spoke to the citizens and tried to calm down their anxiety he was really working for them, and he inherited a pretty bad situation as well.

              "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolution­ary act. " George Orwell

              by zaka1 on Mon Apr 23, 2012 at 07:35:06 PM PDT

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  •  Shades of AT&T? (8+ / 0-)
    it would immunize companies from either criminal or civil liability for personal data shared under CISPA
    Just what we need--the AT&T fiasco codified into law.

    "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." - Thomas Jefferson

    by rfall on Mon Apr 23, 2012 at 05:02:54 PM PDT

  •  Can you say Over-Reach? (7+ / 0-)

    Just a little? This is insanity at it's most apparent. We cannot, however, believe that those legislators voting on this bill are, in any way, reasonable. We cannot presume that President Obama will, in fact, veto this nefarious piece of intrusive, privacy-busting, free-speech chilling, STUPID legislation.

    We don't have much time, but we can write our legislators, our Congressional delegations, and our President, and make absolutely certain they hear our voice on this critical issue.

    I like my internet the way it is. I don't want my voice changed, or my words evaluated, nor my private or personal information gathered, data mined, or sold. To anyone.

    " Lead would float in a pool of Michelle Bachmann."
    Economic
    Left/Right: -7.75
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.51

    by Bud Fields on Mon Apr 23, 2012 at 05:03:57 PM PDT

    •  I agree (1+ / 0-)
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      they will push this through like everything else whether we want it or not because it isn't about what the people want anymore.

      "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolution­ary act. " George Orwell

      by zaka1 on Mon Apr 23, 2012 at 05:14:35 PM PDT

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    •  Can you say, Obama signing this kind of (3+ / 0-)
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      bill being an election deal-breaker with an already paranoid rightwing and independent voting block?

      Forget about the liberals who will have an issue - think about the nutcases who already think that Obama is out to get them...

      If the White House is dumb enough to take this bait, then they are going to severely impair their electoral prospects.

      And for all of you who might be offended by my comment/prediction or who think that the Obama White House would be able to talk their way out of supporting this kind of bill, you really need to meet the guy that I met shortly after the Bush-Gore election in 2000 who was absolutely CONVINCED beyond a shadow of a doubt that if elected Gore was personally going to show up at his door and take his guns away from him.

    •  Agree....! (2+ / 0-)
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      I'm already sick to death of cookies that show me ads based on what I just searched for once I've moved on to another subject.

      Creepy and unnerving and I wish they'd stop it.  I sure don't need my privacy further invaded!

      I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

      by NonnyO on Mon Apr 23, 2012 at 05:56:21 PM PDT

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  •  Who is asking for this bill? (6+ / 0-)
    As Rogers told TPM, currently only selected companies have the security clearance to receive classified cyber threat intelligence gathered by the government, but his bill is designed to bring more companies into the fold without having to go through a time consuming process.

    Rogers and the bill’s other supporters, including co-sponsor Rep. C.A. “Dutch” Ruppersberger (D-MD), argue that it is necessary to combat a rising tide of malware, hackers and other “advanced persistent” cybersecurity threats that seek to steal information from or otherwise damage U.S. companies that keep their information online. A recent report by security firm Symantec saw a rapid increase in the number of targeted cyber attacks in 2011.

    Critics argue that even the most recently updated version of CISPA allows companies and intelligence agencies to share user information without accountability, shielding them from lawsuits in the event that information is shared mistakenly or abused.

    A solution in search of a problem sounds like to me

    Response: If you "got it" you wouldn't be a republican

    by JML9999 on Mon Apr 23, 2012 at 05:09:24 PM PDT

  •  Signed, thanks. n/t (2+ / 0-)
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    Peace, Hope, Faith, Love

    by mapamp on Mon Apr 23, 2012 at 05:09:40 PM PDT

  •  signed. nt (2+ / 0-)
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    Just Win, Baby. -- Al Rodgers, Feb. 24, 2012

    by OLinda on Mon Apr 23, 2012 at 05:10:02 PM PDT

  •  Wells Fargo wants your data! (4+ / 0-)

    Wells Fargo is implementing a change to its checking and savings accounts:  If you don't have a lot of money or a lot of loans, the only way you won't be charged a hefty monthly fee for all of your accounts is if you use your debit card at least ten times a month.

    This hurts small businesses (who will be charged a fee for any transaction, no matter how small) and the consumer (since they'll be using the unsecured debit card instead of the safer credit card.)

    Just as importantly, Wells Fargo will know a great deal about your life.  Instead of paying cash for your lunch, Wells Fargo will know what you ate.

    They are becoming Facebook:  You're not customers, you're product.

    Bills like these are the other side:  Not only will banks be able to data mine your life, they can sell your life as well.

    "What doesn't have credibility today is the truth." -- Bill Moyers, The Daily Show 6/22/05

    by Baron Dave on Mon Apr 23, 2012 at 05:19:28 PM PDT

    •  Credit card companies have had this information (0+ / 0-)

      for years.  They know every move you make.  Pay cash if you don't want a trail.  

      Rick Perry is George Bush without brains.

      by thestructureguy on Mon Apr 23, 2012 at 05:40:40 PM PDT

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      •  Reread the original comment, please (1+ / 0-)
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        Wells Fargo is trying to get you to use your debit card more, where you might have just paid by pocket change.

        What Wells Fargo is doing will cost jobs for small businesses, as their profit margins will be squeezed even further.

        "What doesn't have credibility today is the truth." -- Bill Moyers, The Daily Show 6/22/05

        by Baron Dave on Mon Apr 23, 2012 at 06:01:36 PM PDT

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  •  Current law is terrible (2+ / 0-)
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    But yet it's not terrible enough for the trash running this country into the ground.

    "Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is." - George W Bush

    by jfern on Mon Apr 23, 2012 at 05:21:51 PM PDT

  •  I don't know which I'm afraid of more. The (2+ / 0-)
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    government having access to my data or providers already having it.  Or both.  I'm shocked at the pass the providers get in data mining.  I guess big corporations are trust worthy if they are high tech.  

    Rick Perry is George Bush without brains.

    by thestructureguy on Mon Apr 23, 2012 at 05:39:29 PM PDT

  •  Greedy vampires never die (3+ / 0-)
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    They just keep coming after our rights even when we shut them down as was done with PIPA and SOPA.    

    The inherent concept here of CISPA is the same.   Take the rights and privacy from Americans and give them to Hollywood, corporations, bankers and government.

    The problem with our 2 Party system is that both Parties are now beholden to the same people.   The D/R Party elites are bonded with corporate, Hollywood,  Wall St and the bankster campaign donors.

    What we need is a real Party that responds and moves with the needs and desires of the American people instead of the 1% that now own and control us and use a controlled media to divide us.    Two Parties are not sufficient to protect our rights.   Two Parties are easily corrupted just as are two competing contractors offering bids.  

    It has always been a fact in the procurement world that 3 bidders are required to keep the other 2 honest.   America now has only 2 bidders who are able to collude for the benefit of both.    Politicians always get rich and we all get screwed.

    Victims of bigotry are the poorest, least influential members of society.......never the wealthiest, most educated, most overrepresented in high levels, and most influential. Bigotry hurts the least influential. To claim or say otherwise is absurd.

    by dailykozzer on Mon Apr 23, 2012 at 05:39:55 PM PDT

  •  As I mentioned elsewhere... (1+ / 0-)
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    From a practical standpoint, these new provisions, along with the NNDA, are inevitable given the actions of US government post 9-11. The situation has evolved and calls for severe repression inside the United States.

    Our ongoing attacks against sovereign nations and our murder of tens of thousands of their citizens -- people who had nothing whatsoever to do with the events of 9-11 -- will bring down upon the people of the United States decades of of relentless revenge attacks, many if not most from within.

    For this reason, even more draconian laws and surveillance must be slammed into the lives of the American people -- and their civil rights must be suspended -- in order to keep them safe.

    This case, which was decided last week, clearly gives Americans a little taste of the future they can expect.

    I should think it would be prudent to watch your words at Daily Kos, don't you?


    Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." ― Isaac Asimov

    by Pluto on Mon Apr 23, 2012 at 05:40:18 PM PDT

  •  Which is why I use offshore accounts (1+ / 0-)
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    My e-mail is on a server in an EU country which statutorily respects data privacy. I connect to it via SSL. Most of my browsing is done through anonymized offshore proxies.

    If your data is important, do not store it in the US. This has been true for years.

  •  Without transparency and oversight (2+ / 0-)
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    of "national security" programs, all legal restrictions are just window dressing.  Which makes me think they may have been doing this all along. Demanding   retroactive immunity for entities on which Congress is dependent puts much more pressure on it to pass such a bill.

  •  I've been trying to think of an appropriate (1+ / 0-)
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    epithet to apply to Mike Rogers, whose district is next to mine (and in which live both my parents and my brother, Dems all).

    The best I can come up with is pink slime, because I don't want to insult any animals by association.

    He is a terrible rep.

  •  Relentless (1+ / 0-)
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    "They" (whoever "they" are) just never give up!

    Who is really behind this legislation? I don't mean Rep. Mike Rogers, I hardly think he's the one who thought all this stuff up.

    "Watch what you say or they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, fanatical, criminal..."-7.75, -5.54

    by solesse413 on Mon Apr 23, 2012 at 08:01:54 PM PDT

  •  Correction: vote likely on Friday (0+ / 0-)

    House to begin debate on Thursday, with a vote under the Rule not happening until Friday.

    The House will vote on the Cyber Information Sharing and Protection Act (CISPA) this Friday, April 27, a spokesman for the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence announced Tuesday.

    The vote will follow a period of debate that will begin Thursday.

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