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Rolling Stone published an interview by founder and publisher Jann S. Wenner with President Obama Wednesday. Below are two excerpts, the first on marijuana raids and the second on climate change.

After having avoided even invoking the term "climate change" in his 2012 State of the Union address, in two recent energy-related speeches on campuses in Tampa, Fla., and Nasha, N.H., and in his Earth Day proclamation, Obama makes the first mention of climate change unprompted and then responds to a later question, saying it will become an issue in the campaign, "and I will be very clear in voicing my belief that we're going to have to take further steps to deal with climate change in a serious way":

Let me ask you about the War on Drugs. You vowed in 2008, when you were running for election, that you would not "use Justice Department resources to try and circumvent state laws about medical marijuana." Yet we just ran a story that shows your administration is launching more raids on medical pot than the Bush administration did. What's up with that?

Here's what's up: What I specifically said was that we were not going to prioritize prosecutions of persons who are using medical marijuana. I never made a commitment that somehow we were going to give carte blanche to large-scale producers and operators of marijuana – and the reason is, because it's against federal law. I can't nullify congressional law. I can't ask the Justice Department to say, "Ignore completely a federal law that's on the books." What I can say is, "Use your prosecutorial discretion and properly prioritize your resources to go after things that are really doing folks damage." As a consequence, there haven't been prosecutions of users of marijuana for medical purposes.

The only tension that's come up—and this gets hyped up a lot—is a murky area where you have large-scale, commercial operations that may supply medical marijuana users, but in some cases may also be supplying recreational users. In that situation, we put the Justice Department in a very difficult place if we're telling them, "This is supposed to be against the law, but we want you to turn the other way." That's not something we're going to do. I do think it's important and useful to have a broader debate about our drug laws. One of the things we've done over the past three years was to make a sensible change when it came to the disparity in sentencing between crack cocaine and powder cocaine. We've had a discussion about how to focus on treatment, taking a public-health approach to drugs and lessening the overwhelming emphasis on criminal laws as a tool to deal with this issue. I think that's an appropriate debate that we should have. [...]

James Hansen, NASA's leading climate scientist, has said this about the Keystone pipeline: that if the pipeline goes through and we burn tar sands in Canada, it's "game over" for the planet. What's your reaction to that statement?

James Hansen is a scientist who has done an enormous amount not only to understand climate change, but also to help publicize the issue. I have the utmost respect for scientists. But it's important to understand that Canada is going to be moving forward with tar sands, regardless of what we do. That's their national policy, they're pursuing it. With respect to Keystone, my goal has been to have an honest process, and I have adamantly objected to Congress trying to circumvent a process that was well-established not just under Democratic administrations, but also under Republican administrations.

The reason that Keystone got so much attention is not because that particular pipeline is a make-or-break issue for climate change, but because those who have looked at the science of climate change are scared and concerned about a general lack of sufficient movement to deal with the problem. Frankly, I'm deeply concerned that internationally, we have not made as much progress as we need to make. Within the constraints of this Congress, we've tried to do a whole range of things, administratively, that are making a difference—doubling fuel-efficiency standards on cars is going to take a whole lot of carbon out of our atmosphere. We're going to continue to push on energy efficiency, and renewable energy standards, and the promotion of green energy. But there is no doubt that we have a lot more work to do.

Part of the challenge over these past three years has been that people's number-one priority is finding a job and paying the mortgage and dealing with high gas prices. In that environment, it's been easy for the other side to pour millions of dollars into a campaign to debunk climate-change science. I suspect that over the next six months, this is going to be a debate that will become part of the campaign, and I will be very clear in voicing my belief that we're going to have to take further steps to deal with climate change in a serious way. That there's a way to do it that is entirely compatible with strong economic growth and job creation – that taking steps, for example, to retrofit buildings all across America with existing technologies will reduce our power usage by 15 or 20 percent. That's an achievable goal, and we should be getting started now.

That is an achievable goal. And it's one that could go a long way toward dealing with the nation's miserable deficit in construction jobs. It's far from the only thing that must be done regarding climate change, but it's a positive step. The retrofitting, along with implementing stricter energy-efficiency standards for new structures, would require significant public investment. But the return on that investment both in terms of reduced carbon emissions and reduced energy-costs would be well worth it. If only we could elect a Congress with the brains and political willingness to make it happen.


Blast from the Past. At Daily Kos on this date in 2003:

The anti-war movement made two key points in the leadup to GW II: 1) the Bush Administration was overstating the case against Saddam, and 2) by doing so, it was putting our troops and civilians in harms way.

Iraq fought back harder than many expected, but luckily for everyone its regulars laid down arms before a truly bloody confrontation in Baghdad. Still, we suffered 600 dead and wounded, and thousands of Iraqi soldiers and innocent civilians lost their lives in the war. Thus, #2 came to pass. Thousands died.

So it's important to see whether their lives were given in vain, or whether their ultimate sacrifice was indeed in pursuit of our national security.

So it's with genuine horror that it's clear that we naysayers were right. Administration officials are now admitting they overstated the threa[t] of Iraqi WMDs, and invaded Iraq simply to "make a point."


Tweet of the Day:

I think Chuck Grassley's Twitter feed may be run by Russian agents.
@jeremyscahill via web


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Originally posted to Daily Kos on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 08:30 PM PDT.

Also republished by DKos Cannabis Law and Drug War Reform.

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  •  How Cute, Baby Velociraptors (27+ / 0-)

    I've had to suspend my Flickr project. so many people in other areas of my life trying to harm me in so many ways that I can't find the fun anymore. But I thought this one from yesterday was good for a chuckle.

    How Cute, Baby Velociraptors

    Click on the photo for the three other shots and some more of my bull crap in the comments.

  •  341,151 registered users on dKos now. (13+ / 0-)

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  •  Hadley and Rice and Gates Oh My! (15+ / 0-)

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

    RiceHadleyGates Consulting Firm Has Ex-Bush Officials Robert Gates, Condoleezza Rice & Stephen Hadley Joining Forces

    WASHINGTON -- Former Defense Secretary Robert Gates is going into business with two other top officials from the George W. Bush administration.

    Gates will join an international consulting firm headed by former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and former White House national security adviser Stephen Hadley.

    Gates left his Pentagon job last year. He was the only senior member of the Bush administration who stayed on to work for Democratic President Barack Obama. Gates has described himself as a Republican.

    As Bill Maher said -You can't call yourself a thinktank if all your Ideas are dumb.

    Response: If you "got it" you wouldn't be a republican

    by JML9999 on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 08:36:24 PM PDT

    •  More like "evil" than "dumb." (2+ / 0-)
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      These people aren't dumb. They're still getting what they want when it comes to foreign policy. We are still an empire, they are still making their own reality with our military in tow, and Project for a New American Century's plans to have the U.S. invade and change the governments of one country after another is still on track.

      The Dutch kids' chorus Kinderen voor Kinderen wishes all the world's children freedom from hunger, ignorance, and war.

      by lotlizard on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 11:42:02 PM PDT

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      •  They only care about changing governments (1+ / 0-)
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        to support their quest for more money for their friends the 1%.  They don't care one whit about democracy for the people of those countries.

        "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." - John F. Kennedy

        by helpImdrowning on Thu Apr 26, 2012 at 01:17:20 AM PDT

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  •  pot raids are meant for Secret Service parties' (14+ / 0-)

    stash

    slutty voter for a "dangerous president"; Präsidentenelf-maßschach; Warning-Some Snark Above"Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) "Sciant terra viam monstrare." 政治委员, 政委!

    by annieli on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 08:37:06 PM PDT

  •  20% Building Energy Savings. 1 More Lifeboat for (13+ / 0-)

    Titanic.

    That is sociopathy talking.

    And that's why it's criminal negligence to squander another single second or erg of energy attempting to influence government about climate change.

    Take it to the nobility. Nobody else has actionable power.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 08:37:26 PM PDT

  •  Hey "The Donald's" hair knows all about Bankruptcy (12+ / 0-)

    http://thinkprogress.org/...

    Four-Time Chapter 11 Champ Donald Trump: ‘Monstrous’ Wind Turbines Will Make Scotland ‘Go Broke’

    Donald Trump is on a warpath against wind turbines, because they may obstruct the view of his billion-dollar golf resort in Scotland. Protesters greeted Trump today as he asked Scotland to abandon a project to build 11 offshore turbines.

    Trump has encountered controversy on his golf resort from the start, since he bulldozed over environmentally sensitive sand dunes.

    With his resort due to open in July, Trump has only heightened the attacks. In February, while digging up 1,235 acres for his resort, he said wind farms are “destroying” Scotland. In March, he called windmills “disgusting.”

    Now, Trump says they will destroy Scotland’s economy:

       “Scotland, if you pursue this policy of these monstrous turbines, Scotland will go broke,” Trump told the group. “They are ugly, they are noisy and they are dangerous. If Scotland does this, Scotland will be in serious trouble and will lose tourism to places like Ireland, and they are laughing at us.” [...]

        “When challenged to produce hard evidence about his claims on the negative impact of turbines, Trump said: “I am the evidence, I am a world class expert in tourism.”

    Response: If you "got it" you wouldn't be a republican

    by JML9999 on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 08:39:01 PM PDT

  •  David Letterman tonight: (11+ / 0-)

    "Mitt Romney is an inspiration to kids all over America...who were sadly born without a personality."

    :)

    "Load up on guns, bring your friends. It's fun to lose and to pretend" - Kurt Cobain

    by Jeff Y on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 08:44:00 PM PDT

  •  Wow, not only... (6+ / 0-)

    was our new Bruin Democrats president elected without any opposition (for the first time since 2004), it looks like the student government at UCLA will also have mostly unopposed positions, after Students First!, one of the two major "slates" (i.e., political parties) decided not to run candidates this year due to what looks to be internal divisions.  Bruins United, the other slate, already had a slim majority on board this school year.

    Year after year, campus elections would tear this campus apart, with what felt like trench warfare, friendships being destroyed, accusations and dirty tricks from both sides, etc.  Not to get all racial, but the two main slates were basically the Greek system and the Jews (BU) on the one hand, versus ethnic minorities and gays (SF) on the other.  Though there was still a lot of mixture between groups, which sometimes caused even more friction.

    This isn't about left-right politics so much, as the two groups would be considered left and far-left, if anything.  Because student government has a multi-million dollar budget, the main thing became where to spend that money.  Do you spend that money on campus outreach and on inner-city youth so they can maybe one day attend UCLA, or do you spend it on improving the lives of current students at UCLA?  Are things like Homecoming and concerts and fun events on campus a non-important part of the college experience?  How much needs to be put into retention programs, if some students who got it turn out to simply not be academically up to the task?


    Anyway they just announced all the candidates, and there's only three independent candidates (certain positions like Campus Events Commission are almost always independent).

    This is unheard of at UCLA.  BTW, the unopposed candidate for President was with us Bruin Democrats at the California Democratic Party state convention two years ago in Los Angeles.  Some of you may have met him.  He's a good guy.

    And if you think you know which group I side with after reading this, you don't know me well enough.  These elections are only for undergrads, so I can't vote in them.  Although I've been known to have a role in these elections in other ways.  ;-)

  •  Thanks. Excellent post. (6+ / 0-)

    I'd rather have a buntle afrota-me than a frottle a bunta-me.

    by David54 on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 08:48:39 PM PDT

  •  With bin Laden dead and the wars winding down (25+ / 0-)

    in Iraq and Aghanistan AND an election year at hand, Obama is going to redouble FEDERAL government efforts to protect america from THE WORST THREAT WE FACE: marijuana.

    He intends to look 'tough on crime' as all politicians have done since Richard FUCKING Nixon: by clamping down on pot and ruining hundreds of thousands of commoners little lives.

    I know it's not important to people here, but Mark my words

    #marijuana is classified as schedule 1 per the Controlled Substances Act and this 'act' - a glorified memo - is used as a bludgeon, a crowbar, and a scaffolding to circumvent the 9th and 10th Amendments of the US Constitution and allow the Federal Government to exert powers expressly denied to it. The feds hold reefer madness in such amazingly high regard because there literally is massive power over the states and individuals with it.

    Their claims of "protecting children and saving lives' are utter bullshit when we see the egregious killings of commoners for small amounts of weed by low-level cops. They clearly put people at higher risk by maintaining and NURTURING the black market.

    I say NURTURE because the illegalization of marijuana creates the black market but the ever-more vicious ENFORCEMENT is what props up the profits for the traffickers and those profts are at the root of the violence in Mexico, for example. The feds turn around and blame the marijuana for the violence and they are utterly mean-spirited in defending this propaganda tactic.

    The violence is about MONEY, not about marijuana.

    That said, this is also an election year, a presidential election year and Obama has to pose as 'tough on crime' and that means fucking up people's lives.

    And what are you going to do? Vote for Rmoney? Do you think that twat would be any better? If you think Rmoney's going to lift a finger to help bring basic sanity to america's Marijuana Dark Ages, you're stupid. The feds want us fucked on this and there is basically nothing we can do except keep pushing at the state level.

    By the way, the feds, I am told, consider any political writings about marijuana reform or regulation to be "seeking the overthrow of the USA".

    I shit you not.

    #occupywallstreet: Although I know the rhythm you'd prefer me dancing to, I'll turn my revolt into style.

    by xxdr zombiexx on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 08:49:05 PM PDT

    •  what did you not like (3+ / 0-)
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      about obama's response to the question?

      it seemed reasonable.

      •  BWAHAHAHAHAAHAHA! (14+ / 1-)

        This is reasonable??:

        In that situation, we put the Justice Department in a very difficult place if we're telling them, "This {folks using pot} is supposed to be against the law, but we want you to turn the other way." That's not something we're going to do.
        Just substitute "politicians committing war crimes and Wall Street banksters defrauding the nation to the tune of trillions of dollars" as the subject of that paragraph in place of "folks using pot," and then tell me that his response is reasonable.

        What a douchebag prick. And I won't even elaborate on the wasted resources both on the prosecution end and on the incarceration end that this idiotic policy produces.  A fuckwit douchebag prick, now that I think about it.

        "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you succeed." - Nancy Pelosi // Question: "succeed" at what?

        by nailbender on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 09:48:27 PM PDT

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        •  LOL! (1+ / 0-)
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          I think you are I were on the same page with that one!! Look below!

          Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

          by reflectionsv37 on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 09:55:59 PM PDT

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        •  Rec'd for the (2+ / 0-)
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          xxdr zombiexx, sunny skies

          majority of your comment. While I don't endorse calling the President a fuckwit douchebag prick, the rest of what you wrote is spot on.

          The perfect is NOT the enemy of the good. The perfect is the course you advocate in order to ARRIVE at the good. When you choose the path of merely good, inevitably you wind up at meh.

          by WisePiper on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 10:19:48 PM PDT

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        •  He publicly stated, in a televised speech (14+ / 0-)

          that torturers who acted on orders from Bush need not fear prosecution.

          The guy who destroyed scores of tapes of torture just published a book bragging about it.

          But....he can't tell the Justice Department who not to prosecute.

          Your vote is your consent.

          by JesseCW on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 10:44:27 PM PDT

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        •  Do you have any evidence (1+ / 0-)
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          helpImdrowning

          that Obama told the Justice Department to look the other way on anything?

          Or is your reasoning more like, "Bad things happened, someone is responsible, therefore the best explanation is that the President is part of a conspiracy to obstruct justice"...?

          I tried to phrase the above as fairly as I could...

          Have you considered the alternative that prosecutors could not build a case for a violation of a statute against a specific person?

          •  Ask Sen Leahy about the financial abuse report (7+ / 0-)

            he sent two years ago to the DoJ, which responded with silence.

            Ask Holder why waterboarding was a prosecutable war crime for US personnel in Vietnam but not in Bush and Cheney's wars.  And while you're at it, ask him why conducting an unprovoked war of aggression (Iraq) is all of a sudden not against the Geneva Conventions that we ratified and are thereby subject to - the template for which was fucking Nazi Germany for crissake.  Then ask him to compare the misery caused by those two colossal criminal enterprises to the misery caused by smoking a joint, or a hundred joints.

            Forgive me for using foul language...but never forgive someone who murders in your name or steals your life savings and then squeals like a stuck pig when you suggest they might should be taxed at the levels they were under Ronald Reagan.  And never forgive the asshole who lets such scum go without so much as an unkind word.

            "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you succeed." - Nancy Pelosi // Question: "succeed" at what?

            by nailbender on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 11:40:51 PM PDT

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        •  Wow! "A fuckwit douchebag prick..." (0+ / 0-)

          That, my friend, is a bridge too far.  Whether folks like you want to admit it or not, prosecuting a President of the United States, or his minions, for war crimes was never going to happen in this instance.  Not that it shouldn't have, but in this case, it was never going to happen, no matter who was elected to the White House by the citizens of this country.  My point being, that anyone you might think of who might have traveled this route, would never have won the Presidency.  There is a douche bag here in all of this ugliness, but it isn't Barack Obama.  Your anger is understandable, but it is misplaced.  Circumstances, and pragmatism, are what they are.  The Country, as a whole, would never have stood behind such a prosecution, no matter how warranted many of us think it was.  It is unfair to place blame on the man who now inhabits the White House considering reality is what it is.  It may seem to be a cop out, but reality is often disconcerting.  I wish you well.

          "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." - John F. Kennedy

          by helpImdrowning on Thu Apr 26, 2012 at 02:06:42 AM PDT

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        •  Ditto on that (1+ / 0-)
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          reflectionsv37

          As much good as Obama has done, or tried to do, he still comes off as at the least as a prick sometimes.

          It's like the old conspiracy theory. Once you become POTUS the establishment guys call you into the back room and tell you what you can and cannot do. Can't legalize marijuana. No to prosecuting war criminals if they are American. Forget about the guys on Wall Street if you ever want any money from them.

          I'd say something else but it might be taken as seditious.

          meh---"Fight Club"

      •  Here's the part I don't like about what he said... (18+ / 0-)
        In that situation, we put the Justice Department in a very difficult place if we're telling them, "This is supposed to be against the law, but we want you to turn the other way." That's not something we're going to do.
        Too bad he didn't feel that way about torture when he told the Attorney General and the whole country that this "...was a time to look forward not backwards". It didn't seem to bother him at all when he asked us to accept that he was going to ignore the fact that people, people in our own government, knowingly, and even admittedly, tortured other human beings. That little violation of federal law he had no problem overlooking.

        But he thinks it's perfectly acceptable to continue to arrest nearly 900,000 people a year, every year, for a crime he even committed himself. I call that hypocrisy of the highest level!

        Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

        by reflectionsv37 on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 09:52:46 PM PDT

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        •  They can't pursue all crime (1+ / 0-)
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          reflectionsv37

          So they have to prioritize. The president can prioritize. He can say "Go after medicinal pot dispensaries only after all possible bank fraud prosecutions have been conducted."

          He's got my vote, but he's destroying lives. And if he cared about citizens' brains, he wouldn't have lingered so long in wars that are leading to widespread brain damage for vets. That's presuming for comparison that pot even harmed brains, which it doesn't. In moderation it's just like a beer a day - you're health outcomes improve if you partake, on average. There's less lung cancer, for instance, among pot smokers than among those who never smoke anything.

      •  There were numerous home invasions-- (1+ / 0-)
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        The violent kind, with several bad guys and guns -- at a house in the Puget Sound area. The owner grew medical marijuana. He had a license to. I get it.

        Except, did he need over a THOUSAND plants for his own personal use, as his license dictated? (According to current state law, the answer is no. He's entitled to 15 plants).

        http://www.seattlepi.com/...

        Maybe if folks were more willing to follow medical marijuana laws, the Feds wouldn't feel the need to get involved.

        I know that neighbors were always pretty scared. It's a nice neighborhood with nice folks. There has to be a better solution.  It seems that unless we're wiling to embrace commercial production by licensed commercial entities, President Obama's  approach is pretty good.

        © grover


        So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

        by grover on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 09:55:56 PM PDT

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        •  And if marijuana were legalized... (10+ / 0-)

          anyone could grow it and there would be no need for anyone to do home invasion robberies. As Dr. Z said above, they aren't doing that for the marijuana, they're doing it for the money!

          Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

          by reflectionsv37 on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 09:59:51 PM PDT

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          •  I like and respect Doc a lot. And I tend to agree (0+ / 0-)

            With him. But I'm not so naive to think that legalizing it is a panacea. Big screen tvs are legal, so is jewelry, and those get stolen too.

            Pot doesn't necessarily make people super industrious  motivated gardeners, you know? It's an effort to grow it, and a lot of people don't want to bother. So it has inherent value.  And stuff with inherent value gets stolen. But tvs and jewels can be insured. So they're not defended at gunpoint.

            I'm not saying we shouldn't legalize it. But it should be done reasonably or you'll never get regular citizens to sign on. And you need that buy-in for it to work.

            I like taxing stuff instead of keeping it illegal. Big fan, actually. But it has to make sense too. And that means big suppliers can't grow in residential neighborhoods. If they do, there need to be penalties. Regulations.

            Too much to ask?

            © grover


            So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

            by grover on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 11:43:57 PM PDT

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        •  Which explains why they've been raiding (5+ / 0-)

          nonprofit dispensaries in Oakland lately how?  And why does that need to be a federal matter.  If he really said during the campaign that he wouldn't go after people with cards then that was basically status quo.  Since when do the feds go after regular people who get caught with drugs?

          There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

          by AoT on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 10:14:46 PM PDT

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          •  I wasn't commenting on Oakland. (0+ / 0-)

            I don't know the details of that situation well enough. I can't possibly know every detail of every raid, especially in an area  I don't live in.  I gave information on the area where I've lived for over a decade, and the people i know. I tried to be pretty clear that way.

            MB's post didn't specifically concentrate on  Oakland, nor was I replying to any comments about it. I didn't realize that we needed to concentrate on that.

            I'm sorry. I can only comment on what I know and how the President's policy seems to affect that from my perspective.

            © grover


            So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

            by grover on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 11:57:48 PM PDT

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            •  Which still doesn't explain why you think (1+ / 0-)
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              it's the feds job to enforce state laws.

              And the attack on dispensaries is a huge part of the crackdown that's going on.  Just because there's one guy in your neighborhood growing a bunch of pot doesn't mean the feds should be arresting anyone who deals in medicinal marijuana.  

              The thing is, whenever this subject gets brought up people inevitably talk about this or that violence associated with drugs even though that violence is a result of the prohibition, not a reason for it.  That's why comments like yours are met with such frustration from so many of us.

              There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

              by AoT on Thu Apr 26, 2012 at 08:56:38 AM PDT

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        •  And what the fuck has that got to do with (3+ / 0-)
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          Oaksterdam U?

          Your vote is your consent.

          by JesseCW on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 10:46:09 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  As I mentioned above, (0+ / 0-)

            I wasn't trying to make my comment about anything other than what it was about.

            © grover


            So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

            by grover on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 11:59:19 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

        •  If marijuana was legal, (2+ / 0-)
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          no one would have a reason to be scared.

          I know that neighbors were always pretty scared.

          'Betting against Facebook since 2012'

          by VictorLaszlo on Thu Apr 26, 2012 at 12:58:43 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  Really. We're going to bust Oaksterdam (7+ / 0-)

        because we don't like all the political noise they make is "Reasonable"?

        He is now standing far to the right of Pat Robertson on this issue.

        Your vote is your consent.

        by JesseCW on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 10:43:02 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Most people just don't understand this... (14+ / 0-)
      The violence is about MONEY, not about marijuana.
      All that could change in about 30 days if the people of this country would just stand up and force our politicians to change these stupid policies. I have high hopes for those ballot initiatives in Colorado, Washington and California. It may finally be the beginning of the end of our failed War on (some)Drugs.

      Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

      by reflectionsv37 on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 09:39:16 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I like Obama... (23+ / 1-)

    ...but he is full of shit when it comes to cannabis.

    What he doesn't seem to realize is that legalizing cannabis would in fact decrease highway fatalities from drunk driving and decrease death that results from alcohol abuse. He might not realize it, but in a roundabout way he is simply making the case for profits for alcohol manufacturers/distributors and prescription drug companies. Never mind the fact that cannabis has never killed anyone, especially compared to alcohol and nicotine, there is persuasive evidence that in in fact has anti-cancer qualities. I'm not saying it is for everyone, but it in an incredibly safer way less toxic alternative to alcohol, at least regarding ways to relax in this over-stressed society.

    I call bullshit. He is still playing to his big donors in corporate America, you know, Budweiser, etc.

    Everything I write is within a margin of error of precisely 100%.

    by Bailey Savings and Loan on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 08:52:10 PM PDT

    •  President obama (3+ / 0-)

      is said "he is open to having a debate about drug laws and their uses"

      i am sure people power can push him in his second term.

      we need to "make him do it"

      •  We told him what we wanted (9+ / 0-)

        We have pushed and pushed and pushed--and when pushed, once in awhile we get some blather about how the pot growers for medical marijuana are also trafficking on the side. Please!

        We've been trying to push him since Day One. He pretty much blew off pot advocates early in his term, and he's doing little more than double-talk here. And, once again, we have yet another official position where "pot" is associated with the same damned discussion as "the difference between coke and crack". And that's crap.

        Having said that, I don't hold him personally responsible for this. I don't think he believes a word of it. If he does, he's an idiot--and we all know he's not an idiot. IMO, the prison-industrial complex, the drug-testing industry and every brewery and distillery in America are more powerful than this man's common sense--it's a boat he'll never rock because it's become bigger than the POTUS.

        It's total bullshit, but there it is.

         

        It is time to #Occupy Media.

        by lunachickie on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 10:03:39 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Do you remember what the #1 online question (6+ / 0-)

        for candidate Obama was?
        He laughed it off.

      •  You have no ability to push him to do anything (3+ / 0-)

        in his second term.

        He won't ever need to worry about your vote, volunteer hours, or donations again.

        Your vote is your consent.

        by JesseCW on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 10:49:14 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Correct. (0+ / 0-)

          Which is what can probably make him more prone to actually legalizing marijuana.

          I wonder if he's setting the stage by saying he's "open to debate." That way, once elected, he's "debated," and then gets "convinced."

          •  Dear. FUcKing. God. (2+ / 0-)
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            I give the fuck up.

            Your vote is your consent.

            by JesseCW on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 11:42:07 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  I sincerely hope so. I'm sorry to say that I, (0+ / 0-)

              for one, am really sick and tired of your continual negativity about everything.  Please go somewhere else to pedal your hatred of the President and everything he stands for.  Many of us here, don't agree with all of his policies but see the alternative as unthinkable and life threatening.  You need to grow up and realize you never get everything you want at the very instant you want it.  Change takes time and is incremental.  Instant gratification is for infants.

              "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." - John F. Kennedy

              by helpImdrowning on Thu Apr 26, 2012 at 02:21:20 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  Yes, because legalizing maijuana tomorrow (2+ / 0-)
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                would be instant gratification even though people have been working on it for fucking decades.

                There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

                by AoT on Thu Apr 26, 2012 at 09:00:12 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

              •  I hate targeted assasination without judicial (0+ / 0-)

                review.

                I hate hiding evidence of torture.

                I hate refusing to prosocute torture.

                I hate deregulation of Wall Street under the guise of job creation.

                I hate hearing my President say God doesn't want my neices Dads to be married.

                I hate that my President tried to cut a deal to re-legalize commercial whaling.

                I hate that my President responded to Fuckishima with a massive push for Nukes and to Deep Water Horizon with a massive push for more drilling.

                I hate that my President has authorized a terror campaign against Afghan villages.

                Do you think these things are everything he stands for?

                Instant gratification is for infants.
                Spewing out word salad in an attempt to justify supporting everything I've listed?

                Who the FUCK is that for? "Grown ups"??

                I understand - as long as you believe that Obama is one shred better than Romney, it's wrong to be honest about his policies during an election.  I get it.

                But given a choice between buying into that argument, or rejecting it....

                rejecting it doesn't make one a bad person.

                Your vote is your consent.

                by JesseCW on Thu Apr 26, 2012 at 11:46:13 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

              •  I can't begin to understand how anyone (0+ / 0-)

                can actually construct a bubble that thick to live in.

                The President is waging a war on drugs with all he's got so he can reveal super-secret Good President Man once he's re-elected...

                By an electorate that already supports Medical Cannabis 4 to one?

                I am not kidding when I say that you caused me to spend a full hour last night questioning whether or not Representative Democracy is a good idea.

                Yours was one of about a dozen comments I've read here in the last week that have seriously caused me to question my faith in the ability of human beings in general to participate in their own governance.

                Your vote is your consent.

                by JesseCW on Thu Apr 26, 2012 at 11:39:03 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  I was trying to have a discussion... (0+ / 0-)

                  ...and bring up a different possibility but your response pretty much left any sort of discussion off the table.

                  Yours was one of about a dozen comments I've read here in the last week that have seriously caused me to question my faith in the ability of human beings in general to participate in their own governance
                  Again. Fuck you. Seriously.

                  You and other commentators I read online are proof we shouldn't have even so much as a representative democracy, let alone a full democracy, and I don't need an hour to determine that.

                  Feel free to ignore me. It's unfortunate that I've already found someone to ignore on DailyKos and I haven't even been here that long.

    •  The fact that he brings up crack cocaine... (20+ / 0-)

      ...in a discussion about medical marijuana tells you about his mindspace.

    •  I think you got the "playing" part right. (0+ / 0-)

      I also think he has some idea how foolish his rhetoric is.

    •  How does one get in a wreck at 3mph? nt (1+ / 0-)
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      Fuck Big Brother...from now on, WE'RE watching.

      by franklyn on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 09:19:46 PM PDT

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    •  He can't legalize it himself (2+ / 0-)
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      Congress needs to.  And there is absolutely no chance of that happening in this Congress.  Zero.  Not 0.000001%.  Zero.

      •  He can call off th DEA (0+ / 0-)

        Contrary to what he claimed he can in fact tell the DA to ignore certain crimes.  In fact, as has been pointed out numerous times he did exactly that in regards to war crimes and other things that the Bush administration.

        There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

        by AoT on Thu Apr 26, 2012 at 09:01:37 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  He answered that question. (0+ / 0-)

          You just didn't read it.

          •  Answered what question? (0+ / 0-)

            I didn't ask a question.  I said that he could in fact ask the DA to not prosecute these crimes and he can definitely order the DEA to not go after medical marijuana dispensaries, something he did in fact say he would do despite his claim to the contrary.  He clearly said that he wasn't going to do that, but his assertion that he has no power to do that is simply wrong.

            There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

            by AoT on Thu Apr 26, 2012 at 02:02:56 PM PDT

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    •  I've always thought that this is precisely (3+ / 0-)
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      why marijuana is still illegal - most politicians who oppose outright legalization take that position because they're bought off by Big Pharma and Big Booze.

      It's the only thing that makes sense to me.

      He might not realize it, but in a roundabout way he is simply making the case for profits for alcohol manufacturers/distributors and prescription drug companies.

      'Betting against Facebook since 2012'

      by VictorLaszlo on Thu Apr 26, 2012 at 01:02:50 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  i haz meta-sad (8+ / 0-)

    mandyinseattle has posted her second in about 30 hours pro-john edwards screed.

    no amount of donuts will make her go away.  

    i haz sad.  'cause i'm nr.  and she's not.  

  •  Pres. Obama Keeps Ducking having (15+ / 0-)

    "I do think it's important and useful to have a broader debate about our drug laws." He refused to have this same discussion with the leaders of South America just a week ago.

     Someone has his ear and is filling it with Reefer Madness. The man is once again making us chose to vote for him only because he is the lesser of the 2 evils. Last pres. election was the first time I voted where I thought I was voting for someone because he would keep his word and be a good pres..So much for that...

    "the government's role should be to uplift, enlighten, educate and ennoble the citizen, not oppress them with taxation and intrusive laws," Gatewood Galbraith, Historic Marijuana Advocate, aka "The Last Free Man In America," RIP 1-3-12

    by SmileySam on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 09:00:45 PM PDT

    •  Funny thing is, he did inhale (6+ / 0-)

      And his pettifogging response to the question is USDA Grade Prime bullshit.

      If only donkeys could have elephant balls... Occupy!

      by chuckvw on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 09:14:50 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Why blame Obama (0+ / 0-)

      If you understand how our government works, you would know that Obama can only beg for things, and with the current crop of Republicans in the House and Senate we are going no where on any issue

      •  Obama can change MJ from a schedule 1 (3+ / 0-)
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        to a schedule 3 without having to go to Congress or anyone else for that matter.

         He brags about what is fair and how he changed the sentencing laws around rock vs flake coke. What is fair about the way NYCity is busting people for a misdemeanor by making them take it out of their pocket putting it in public view and hence making it a felonly. What is fair about that ?

         What is fair about those who took him at his word and spent thousands trying to help the sick only to end up doing 10 yrs in a Fed. prison ?  I will vote for Obama but I'm doing it with my eyes open this time, knowing he is part of the same establishment I have always raged against. Like I said, just the lesser of 2 evils one more time, and I'm not 100% sure of that.

        "the government's role should be to uplift, enlighten, educate and ennoble the citizen, not oppress them with taxation and intrusive laws," Gatewood Galbraith, Historic Marijuana Advocate, aka "The Last Free Man In America," RIP 1-3-12

        by SmileySam on Thu Apr 26, 2012 at 01:28:33 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  He doesn't like the hypocrisy (1+ / 0-)
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      Obama is saying what I say any time I decide to post on  a marijuana post (and people get upset by it.).
      Medical marijuana laws were passed on the basis that they were to be used as medicine to help people suffering. However almost immediately after they passed , that's been treated as a joke or used as a wedge to push general legalization of marijuana. Doing that injures the credibility of the movement as a whole and brings crackdown, just as surely as selling/buying  Oxycotin for non medical use will bring crackdowns.
      No amount of 'but marijuana is harmless' argumentation is going to change that. If people's position is that marjiuana should be as legal as tobacco, that is the law they should have pushed, choosing to pass a different law and hoping to do an end run around the law they themselves helped pass is to be polite, dishonorable.

      He's not engaging in 'Reefer Madness'  he's enforcing the law the people passed. If he said he was going to make it legal, you are going to have to show me

      •  What does that have to do with hacing the debate (3+ / 0-)

        He has consistently refused to have the debate.

        And since when do the feds enforce state laws?

        There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

        by AoT on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 10:17:20 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  they enforce federal laws (0+ / 0-)

          They enforce federal laws, they may exercise discretion based on state laws, but if it goes out of bounds, they can still enforce federal laws.  Why isn't the state enforcing state laws?  

          Can you tell me with a straight face that you want CHP or country sheriffs busting shops  that are selling for recreational use instead of the Feds? That this is simply a different of Federal vs State power to enforce the law?
          Because from what I have read , that's a pretty weak argument. Most people want to use medical marijuana laws as a wedge for legalizing it completely and I think that's hypocritical and wrong.

      •  RIiiiight. We've totally stopped the sale (5+ / 0-)

        of Oxycotin, and locked up the CEO's of the outfits making and marketing it, because of the epidemic of abuse of that drug.

        I hear ya.  Strong case, there.

        Your vote is your consent.

        by JesseCW on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 10:52:42 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  different classes of drug (0+ / 0-)

          Different classes of drug. Why does marijuana get a free pass to avoid any kind of FDA tests? Why is every other controlled substance either banned or available only by prescription, whereas pot needs only a recommendation?

      •  So then you support legalization? (0+ / 0-)

        or are you just complaining about legal strategies?

        There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

        by AoT on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 11:04:39 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  I wish I could say I was surprised by Obama's (3+ / 0-)
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    comments in Rolling Stone, particularly about Keystone and the inevitable green light it is going to get.
    And that isn't because I don't care about the absurd marijuana interdiction and the taxpayer dollars expended on the stupid "war on drugs" or that I knew this would happen, too.
    I'd just like to really be surprised by this guy who is probably the most intelligent person who has ever held the office.

  •  Sounds good (12+ / 0-)
    "Use your prosecutorial discretion and properly prioritize your resources to go after things that are really doing folks damage."
    Except for war crimes and bank fraud.

    "White-collar conservatives flashing down the street. Pointing their plastic finger at me."

    by BOHICA on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 09:13:13 PM PDT

    •  And torture. And a Chief Executive who (3+ / 0-)

      thinks a meeting in his washroom constitutes suffecient due process of law to issue a death sentence.

      Your vote is your consent.

      by JesseCW on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 10:54:00 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  He used the present tense on purpose. (1+ / 0-)
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      Dealing with past crimes is another matter.  In some cases, time has made prosecution impossible; in others, the immoral behavior was declared legal.

      We have a big problem with deprivation of rights under cover of law.  Making slavery a legal status set the pattern in the Constitution and the echo reverberates.  Keep in mind that the extermination of Native Americans and the removal of their children were all legal.

      The "rule of law" is ideal for people who don't want to be held to account for the damage they do to other people.  Washing one's hands did not end with Pontius Pilate.  Rick Perry has done it 235+ times in Texas and the citizens applaud him.
      Our agents of law enforcement are taught to shoot to kill. That's not a euphemism.

      People to Wall Street: "LET OUR MONEY GO"

      by hannah on Thu Apr 26, 2012 at 04:56:01 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I'm listening to BBC (6+ / 0-)

    finally, there will be a verdict later today (European time) re: Charles Taylor's crimes in Sierra Leone.  My best friend from the convent worked in Liberia as a nurse the entire civil war -- what she saw -- the crimes against humanity -- left her quite damaged for several years.  The bastard isn't being tried for the Liberia crimes.  I pray they nail this bastard for life.

    Rupert inquiry up next.

    Vi er alle norske " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 09:13:28 PM PDT

  •  MB, link to Top Comments goes to Front Page. (0+ / 0-)
  •  Medical versus recreational cannabis (4+ / 0-)
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    It seems to me that there's actually little difference between the two. Much of the so-called "recreational"usage could be argued as beingmental health care.

    Mental health always tends to get the short shrift from legislators.

    I miss Kurt Vonnegut so damn much these days

    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 09:21:23 PM PDT

    •  quite a difference (0+ / 0-)

      There's quite a difference between the prescribed use of psychoactive drugs and recreational use.
      However, that's probably the rationalization that Rush Limbaugh used before they arrested him for illegally obtaining oxycontin.

      •  OK, this is conflation bullshit (2+ / 0-)

        and I am calling you on it.

        However, that's probably the rationalization that Rush Limbaugh used before they arrested him for illegally obtaining oxycontin.
        There is no valid comparison.

        FAIL.

        "What have you done for me, lately?" ~ Lady Liberty

        by ozsea1 on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 10:52:17 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  how is it conflation (0+ / 0-)

          Rush likely said 'hey these drugs are for my pain, so it's ok to get them even if I don't have a prescription'
          The poster I responded to said 'hey recreational use is for peace of mind, there for it's a medical use,so it's ok to get it',
          Seems the same thing to me, quite honestly.
          Please explain the disconnect because I don't see it.

      •  That 18th Amendment worked so well.. (2+ / 0-)
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        We should bring back alcohol prohibition too.

        It's an herb. Get over it.

        I miss Kurt Vonnegut so damn much these days

        by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 11:13:02 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  That should have been the law then (0+ / 0-)

          Now you are doing a slippery slope argument.  If you want legalization of marijuana, then push for that, but don't get angry at Obama for not legalizing it, and for following the law as it is.

          •  That is such an Authoritarian argument (0+ / 0-)

            ..that my mind boggles.

            The slippery-slope is uphill because hater named Harry Angslinger got confused between heroin and marihuana and he had the power to get things done. And went on a mission.

            Weed is illegal because it's illegal. You can be arrested or not depending on whether or not you have the status to be not arrested. If you are arrested and can not bail out due to financial realities..

            It's a stupid law. It will ultimately go away. It is selectively enforced.

            Obama might just call a spade a spade and surprise everyone after he's re-elected. Or not.

            "Not" is fucking ridiculous.

            Dissatisfaction with democratic government is substantially due to economic globalization. We either rein in the corporations or Nation States will continue to diminish in stature, power and their ability to protect and serve the citizenry.

            by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Sat Apr 28, 2012 at 12:20:13 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

      •  Limp bough is an instinct-driven (0+ / 0-)

        person.  That implies an absence of rational thought and rationalizations.
        Limp bough does what he does in response to prompts and whatever feels good turns into a habit by virtue of sheer repetition.

        People to Wall Street: "LET OUR MONEY GO"

        by hannah on Thu Apr 26, 2012 at 04:47:48 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Why does it matter less (3+ / 0-)

    and less what he says?  Prolly because I am damn tired of hair-splitting, legalize; and because I never could have imagined the result given the last election rhetoric.

    First, Serve the People - Second, Defend the Community - Always, Organize to Take Power

    by mpjh on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 09:29:45 PM PDT

  •  I Call Bull Shite On Obama's Anti-Pot Stance (18+ / 0-)

    he can claim that what he siad back in 2008 was:

    What I specifically said was that we were not going to prioritize prosecutions of persons who are using medical marijuana. I never made a commitment that somehow we were going to give carte blanche to large-scale producers and operators of marijuana – and the reason is, because it's against federal law. I can't nullify congressional law. I can't ask the Justice Department to say, "Ignore completely a federal law that's on the books." What I can say is, "Use your prosecutorial discretion and properly prioritize your resources to go after things that are really doing folks damage." As a consequence, there haven't been prosecutions of users of marijuana for medical purposes
    But this isn't about medical marijuana users this is about medical marijuana:
    Yet ["Rolling Stone"] just ran a story that shows your administration is launching more raids on medical pot than the Bush administration did. What's up with that?
    Obama's lame-brained excuse that:
    In that situation, we put the Justice Department in a very difficult place if we're telling them, "This is supposed to be against the law, but we want you to turn the other way."
    is negated by the fact that his Justice Department has no problem turning a blind eye on the bankstas who destroyed the economy, or the torturers who violated international law.

    Obama then tries to obfuscate the issue by injecting cocaine into the disscussion:

    One of the things we've done over the past three years was to make a sensible change when it came to the disparity in sentencing between crack cocaine and powder cocaine.
    WTF does cocaine, which no state has deemed medicinal, have to do with medical marijuana? NADA! That is unless you're one of those who still believe that pot is a "gateway drug". If it is, then I wonder, after over 40 years of use, when is that gate going to open?

    And this from a man who is incapable of breaking his addiction to cigaretts. Hypocrit! I'm beginning to suspect that his claimed recrational drug use is a lie to coverup just what an L7 he really is.

    Obama is worse than a prude. He's a prude who can make people think he's cool. But he's so not cool, and his obsession with recreational pot, while letting criminal bankstas and torturers go free proves he's anything but cool - or hip.

    I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of the Republican Party.

    by OnlyWords on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 09:30:44 PM PDT

    •  Obama has been rougher than Bush was (8+ / 0-)

      I have no idea why Obama and the Holder Justice Department are becoming such complete jerks about Medical Cannabis.  California, as one example, has State Laws, State Permit Cards and so on.  Instead of supporting the local law, the Justice Department is turning it into a war game.  Is it to provide cover for the President, for him to be more of a jerk than Romney?  
      Why, so Romney can't criticize him?

      Realistically, if we assume that is what is going on, how is it ethical to strike out randomly at what is legal under State Laws in quite a few states?  That only serves to drive Medical Cannabis users into the arms of organized crime.

    •  He's just lying about his promises. (3+ / 0-)

      He promised that dispenseries that complied with state law would be left alone.

      He did not restrict that protection to indivual retail buyers.

      Your vote is your consent.

      by JesseCW on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 10:56:01 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Still support the President, but this disappoints. (1+ / 0-)
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      Don't respect this doublespeak, lawyer BS. In comparison,  Ron Paul 's words on the subject ring with truth.

      C'mon Obama. He can't really believe this.

    •  Actually..... (2+ / 0-)
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      Cocaine DOES have recognized medical uses as a local anesthetic. This is the reason that Cocaine is actually Schedule 2 while cannabis is Schedule 1

      Ditto for Methamphetamine (Schedule 2 for some recognized medical uses as a stimulant)

      Just in case you needed any more cognitive dissonance on the War on Drugs...

  •  2 years ago Rachel Maddow exposed the truth.. (4+ / 0-)
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    ..behind SB 1070 - "papers please" law
    Democratic underground
    Today Rachel had a segment on this WaPo article discussing the two co-authors of SB1070 - Kris Kobach & Michael Hethman. The truth is, these two want a white America.
    Washington Post - By David A. Fahrenthold, Published: April 24

    Immigration is “on track to change the demographic makeup of the entire country. You know, what they call ‘minority-majority,’ ” said Hethmon, who is general counsel at the Washington-based Immigration Reform Law Institute. “How many countries have gone through a transition like that — peacefully, carefully? It’s theoretically possible, but we don’t have any examples.”
    That's what happening with the republican party today.That's the America the GOP longs to return to.

    Tough shit. They won't have their way on this
    ................................................
    And Romney did say "Self deportation" despite his denials of late. This is Romneys' gig. This is what his party is about, no matter what he denies.

    •  No kidding they won't have their way. (3+ / 0-)
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      Thank the Gods. It's only a matter of time.
      One of my favorite statistics is that the population of California (as revealed by the recent census) 18 and under is a lovely 73% of color/mixed ethnicity. I'm liking the way the America of tomorrow looks. It ain't Republican by nature.
      Hopefully, we'll still have a viable planet for them to run when it's time for them to be installed in seats of power.

  •  rebuttal (14+ / 0-)

    But it's important to understand that Canada is going to be moving forward with tar sands, regardless of what we do.
    ...
    The reason that Keystone got so much attention is not because that particular pipeline is a make-or-break issue for climate change, but because those who have looked at the science of climate change are scared and concerned about a general lack of sufficient movement to deal with the problem.

    Wired

    Wired.com: TransCanada officials say that whether or not Keystone is built, the sands will be tapped and the oil burned. What’s your response to that? What’s the next step if Keystone is rejected and TransCanada proposes a different route?

    McKibben: Well, they badly want to build another route west to the Pacific. The trouble is, they can’t. The First Nations tribes — who are much stronger legally than American tribes — have put the kibosh on it for years, and have said in recent weeks: No way, no how. I was just up in the Northwest territories with some of the leaders of Canada’s native nations, and they were very clear: That dog won’t hunt. The Canadians know it.

    Earlier this summer the energy minister of Alberta told the Globe and Mail that if they couldn’t get Keystone XL built, he’d be “landlocked in bitumen.”
    ...
    Wired.com: What is your evaluation of the State Department’s claim that tar sands oil doesn’t have a significantly larger carbon footprint than regular crude?

    McKibben: Well, I think their calculation was that it’s about 17 percent higher. That’s a lot, and most independent estimates put it higher. But even if it flowed from the ground as sweetly as Saudi crude, the real problem is not the extra carbon compared to other oil. It’s the sheer amount of oil up there. The second largest pool of it on the planet, of which something like 3% has been used so far. They want to greatly increase the rate of flow. We’re going from drinking straws to fire hoses with Keystone XL, so that will send the rate of carbon into the atmosphere soaring.

    Just Win, Baby. -- Al Rodgers, Feb. 24, 2012

    by OLinda on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 10:01:12 PM PDT

    •  Did you send this to POTUS, OLinda? nt (3+ / 0-)
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    •  Yes, the "Tar Sands are in a legal swamp" (5+ / 0-)
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      says the Financial Times. And oil stocks are down as investors worry about all the opposition to the pipelines. Alberta is going to have an oil glut on its hands. The President says our government is supporting it but Canada is not a dictatorship, the majority of the people are against it.

      The oil tankers that are set to travel inland waters on the coast to pick up the dirty oil face a 69% disapproval rating from the people.

      ❧To thine ownself be true

      by Agathena on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 10:49:16 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  legal swamp (2+ / 0-)
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        Found a couple articles on that that others may find interesting:

        (Financial Post)
        and

        Greenplanetwatch:

        The proposed pipeline would transport bitumen from Alberta’s oil sands extraction to the British Columbia coast for shipment to markets in Asia. The proposed route would track through the Great Bear Rainforest, an area that National Geographic calls the wildest place on earth. It is home to rare ecosystems and the unique Kermode Bear. The terminal of the pipelines would end at Kitimat at the end of Douglas Channel. An estimated 200 super-tankers would navigate the treacherous waters each year. Enbridge spokespersons have assured the public that the chances of a spill are very low.

        Just Win, Baby. -- Al Rodgers, Feb. 24, 2012

        by OLinda on Thu Apr 26, 2012 at 12:16:41 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  I've always thought round numbers are so arbitrary (1+ / 0-)
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    and artificial, mabe because I always thought our numbering system should have been based on twelve not ten.  But human have ten fingers so we're stuck with an in-elegant number system. Anyway I just happened to notice that I've accumulated exactly 50,000 Recs.
    Thank you readers.

    Republicans take care of big money, for big money takes care of them ~ Will Rogers

    by Lefty Coaster on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 10:03:16 PM PDT

  •  Messina says the real party begins in May (2+ / 0-)
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    Starting on May 5th Obama will hold rallies in Pennsylvania and Ohio. These are the first events planned and paid for by his campaign, which means no holds barred. In other words, we'll be seeing a lot more of the President in the coming weeks. Game on.

  •  No one noticed the neither question was answered (4+ / 0-)
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    BO just blathered his way around them.

    "He not busy being born is busy dying." R. Zimmerman

    by RUKind on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 10:09:30 PM PDT

    •  He answered the question. (0+ / 0-)

      You just didn't understand the answer.  He said the Congress made the growing and selling of a weed illegal.
      Congress is supposed to provide for the general welfare but declaring what people can inhale, inject, ingest and excrete is easier. And, largely unenforceable, unless some other criterion by which to easily identify targets is employed. That's why more tan than pink people get arrested for using drugs.

      People to Wall Street: "LET OUR MONEY GO"

      by hannah on Thu Apr 26, 2012 at 04:40:52 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  He is a fucking liar. (2+ / 0-)
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    Yes, he is.

  •  Too bad he turned a blind eye on Wall Street (8+ / 0-)

    crimes, and so many other important issues. Don't know why he can't do the same on folks getting high for medical reasons....  and all others for that matter.

    In celebration of Super Tuesday, Steven Colbert is partying! "I'm mixing up some margaritas! I could not find my blender so instead I'm using a transvaginal ultrasound wand." (watch the video, it's hysterical)

    by Lucy2009 on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 10:22:58 PM PDT

    •  The banks on Wall Street are operating (2+ / 0-)
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      with state charters.  The states are the primary regulators, especially when it comes to the criminal law.
      The reason Congress doesn't regulate the banksters is because a majority of them are scofflaws.  They run for legislative office so they can scoff at justice.

      People to Wall Street: "LET OUR MONEY GO"

      by hannah on Thu Apr 26, 2012 at 04:34:13 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  The President is correct (2+ / 0-)
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    jan4insight, helpImdrowning

    On medical marihootchie.   Here in CA  the 215 law is clearly a scam where dopers hide behind  unfortunates who truly need the stuff for pain relief from serious disease.   These doper parasites fuck up entire neighborhoods with illegal growhouses, chemical pollution, environmental degradation and on and on.  Lately the feds have been taking these slimers down and I salute them.   Just legalize it already and tax the hell out of it.  California could certainly use the money.

  •  Obama on the Canadian Tar Sands (5+ / 0-)
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    Important to understand that Canada is going to be moving forward with tar sands, regardless of what we do. That's their national policy, they're pursuing it.
    But the President doesn't mention the opposition to the Tar Sands.

    Resistance fierce as oil sands battle shifts to British Columbia

    and more

    There is substantial public opposition in B.C. to the Gateway project, as well as recently announced plans by Kinder Morgan Energy Partners to expand the Trans Mountain pipeline from Alberta to Vancouver. Moreover, there isn’t a proposed resource project in B.C. that isn’t complicated by the legally protected (and potentially project-killing) involvement of first nations.

    Their voices of opposition are on the rise. And that’s something even a majority government can’t pretend not to hear.
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/...

    ❧To thine ownself be true

    by Agathena on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 10:40:30 PM PDT

    •  With all due respect (2+ / 0-)
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      we can huff and puff and stomp our feet and do whatever and unfortunately, it won't make a damn bit of difference.

      Because Stephen Harper's Conservatives have a majority government and can do whatever the fuck they want with the Tar Sands.

      And they will.

      And they are.

      And they don't care what Canadians (such as myself) think about it.

      I'd wouldn't like to say what I'd like to do with the folks that voted for these guys.

  •  O: Med MJ, done zip. WS Criminals, done zip vote O (1+ / 0-)
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    Medium Head Boy

    keep the corporate zombies in power

    80 % of success is showing up

    Corporate is not the solution to our problem

    Corporate is the problem

    by Churchill on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 11:16:58 PM PDT

  •  Politics.. (0+ / 0-)

    This whole world of political power and posturing we don't really live and are just speculators on the side.  We have neither the money or the power to do much more than disagree.   It has and always will be about the money,

    We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

    by Vetwife on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 11:53:42 PM PDT

    •  Money is a figment of the imagination. (1+ / 0-)
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      Money is worthless, unless it is spent, just as reading and writing skills are worthless, unless they are used.
      The difference between money (script) and writing (script) is that we have let a small number of people claim the right to decide who gets to use money, when and for how long.  
      Recall that there was also a time when reading and writing were restricted to a select population of wise men who wrote down the laws and decided how everyone else should live, or not.

      Some people will claim and take power over others, if we let them. The 35% of American adults who are functionally illiterate today do not deserve to be misled by the proprietors of talk radio and talk TV.  But, that's exactly what we allow when we consign the illiterate to the tender mercies of FOX.

      People to Wall Street: "LET OUR MONEY GO"

      by hannah on Thu Apr 26, 2012 at 04:29:30 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  True and money is just paper or mineral (0+ / 0-)

        without exchange for something of value.  I never will understand how much is enough and some of these people of the 30 percent need something other than misleading and Fox is a huge giant that needs to be taken down and that machine needs to shut up.   It is a version of Tokyo Rose.  It is poison to this country.

        We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

        by Vetwife on Thu Apr 26, 2012 at 05:25:21 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Yes, but there is a certain mentality (1+ / 0-)
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          which takes wicked pleasure in seeing other people abused. Ceding the red states to Republican scofflaws and chortling over the stupidities of FOX are not examples of stellar Democratic behaviors.

          When authorities (people who know better) stand silent in the face of abuse, they become complicit. Tolerance for abusers, even if the abuse is just verbal, is not a virtue.

          We need to do better.

          People to Wall Street: "LET OUR MONEY GO"

          by hannah on Thu Apr 26, 2012 at 06:38:29 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  No argument on that extremely valid point (2+ / 0-)
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            There is a sinister, horrible sport IMO taking place of abusing and killing off the less fortunate.  I do not begrudge people with money or assets IF they earned it but those who have taken pleasure in robbing homeowners such as myself, jacking up fuel, food, etc prices and then watching people suffer is sick and there should be something we as a people need to do to bring them into accountability.  I know something that is horrible regarding the treatment of veterans at the hands of powerful people that I cannot even expose here until some investigative reporting is finished and if I or a few others do not like the repercussions then I will shout it from the rooftops but the problem is, will any one care?  People are committing sins of doing nothing.

            We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

            by Vetwife on Thu Apr 26, 2012 at 07:16:16 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

  •  Phil Ochs had our party's number, I'm afraid. (1+ / 0-)
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    Ah, but I've grown older and wiser
    And that's why I'm turning you in
    So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal progressive

    The Dutch kids' chorus Kinderen voor Kinderen wishes all the world's children freedom from hunger, ignorance, and war.

    by lotlizard on Thu Apr 26, 2012 at 12:09:42 AM PDT

  •  Up too late so I checked out the Doonesbury (4+ / 0-)
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    for Thursday. The 3rd panel is about FOX News, "It's like getting your news from the town drunk". Damn, if that's not a sig line by Friday by someone here I'll be shocked.

    All my sig lines are hand-crafted by demented elves living in my skull.

    by ontheleftcoast on Thu Apr 26, 2012 at 12:15:43 AM PDT

  •  The accelerating pace of global climate change is (5+ / 0-)

    amazing climate scientists, the faster rate of arctic ice melting, the discovery recently documented in Nature of warming in the circumpolar currents under the Antarctic ice shelves, the growing plumes of Arctic methane gases being released from melting permafrost and clathrates off the coast of Siberia, are all effects originally posited to be happening in approximately a century from now by the IPCC's last report, and they are happening now. Retrofitting houses and commercial buildings in the US while opening Canada's tar sands to be transported to refineries in the Gulf of Mexico is absurd climate thinking.

    One more degree Celsius and three meters of mean sea level rise will threaten every coastal and low lying inland region in the US connected to the sea, and we will attain that within the next ten to fifteen years at the present rate of warming. There are over 390 PPB of CO2 in the atmosphere now and never in the paleoclimate record has the amount of naturally occuring CO2 been above 285PPB, which in the paleoclimate record has caused serious global catastrophes for life on Earth. Well documented species migration northward in the ocean and on land, desertification, floods and drought, growing instability in traditional weather patterns, all of these things and more are increasing by orders of magnitude greater than we thought just ten years ago, yet we continue to sacrifice human, plant and animal habitat to the economic status quo.

    The really incredible part of this is that everyone in the US government knows this is true, even Sen. Inhofe has said he was on the other side of this issue until he understood the costs of addresing it. We are commiting the greatest crime in the history of the human species by ignoring the truth in favor of upholding the American "standard of living," for what? So that we can all die in air conditioned comfort while watching reruns of "Dancing With the Stars? The satirical pens of Twain, Voltaire and Swift combined could not lampoon this insane status quo, they wouldn't believe the premise...    

    "Intelligence is quickness in seeing things as they are..." George Santayana

    by KJG52 on Thu Apr 26, 2012 at 12:48:51 AM PDT

    •  Capitalism is (2+ / 0-)
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      a fatal illness.

      Women are the only oppressed group not allowed to name their oppressors.

      by atana on Thu Apr 26, 2012 at 02:33:18 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  climate change adaptation (0+ / 0-)

      I'm all for efforts to slow or mitigate the effects of climate change but, honestly, we can not talk about "sustaining" life as we currently know it. Insulate buildings, develop alternative energy, conserve energy, grow food locally... sure. But none of that will change the fact that easy, cheap oil is gone - GONE; that precious metals are scarce; that massive forces controlling weather have been altered beyond rescue (at least for God knows how many generations); that there is no real alternative to oil; that human populations have greatly exceeded the earth's carrying capacity; that fresh water availability is dramatically declining...

      Fasten the belts because the ride just rounded a game-changing bend in the road. Those who can adapt may survive relatively well. The one percent will buy their way to relative comfort. The rest of us will be removed. It may take decades or even generations but that's the real prospect and the sooner we all, or even a small number of us start working together to create institutions and neighborly compacts that will ease the transition from High Capitalism to whatever tomorrow will bring, the better.

  •  Amy Goodman: The NSA Is Watching You (4+ / 0-)

    Amy Goodman: The NSA Is Watching You

    Three targeted Americans: A career government intelligence official, a filmmaker and a hacker. None of these U.S. citizens was charged with a crime, but they have been tracked, surveilled, detained—sometimes at gunpoint—and interrogated, with no access to a lawyer. Each remains resolute in standing up to the increasing government crackdown on dissent.

    The intelligence official: William Binney worked for almost 40 years at the secretive National Security Agency (NSA), the U.S. spy agency that dwarfs the CIA. As technical director of the NSA’s World Geopolitical and Military Analysis Reporting Group, Binney told me, he was tasked to “see how we could solve collection, analysis and reporting on military and geopolitical issues all around the world, every country in the world.” Throughout the 1990s, the NSA developed a massive eavesdropping system code-named ThinThread, which, Binney says, maintained crucial protections on the privacy of U.S. citizens demanded by the U.S. Constitution. He recalled, “After 9/11, all the wraps came off for NSA,” as massive domestic spying became the norm. He resigned on Oct. 31, 2001.

    Along with several other NSA officials, Binney reported his concerns to Congress and to the Department of Defense. Then, in 2007, as then-Attorney General Alberto Gonzales was being questioned on Capitol Hill about the very domestic spying to which Binney objected, a dozen FBI agents charged into his house, guns drawn. They forced aside his son and found Binney, a diabetic amputee, in the shower. They pointed their guns at his head, then led him to his back porch and interrogated him.

    I asked Binney if he believed the NSA has copies of every email sent in the U.S. He replied, “I believe they have most of them, yes.”

    Binney said two senators, Ron Wyden and Mark Udall, have expressed concern, but have not spoken out, as, Binney says, they would lose their seats on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. Meanwhile, Congress is set to vote on the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act, or CISPA. Proponents of Internet freedom are fighting the bill, which they say will legalize what the NSA is secretly doing already.

    Members of Congress, fond of quoting the country’s founders, should recall these words of Benjamin Franklin before voting on CISPA: “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

    "I wish I could tell you, in the midst of all of this, that President Obama was waging the kind of fight against these draconian Republican proposals that the American people would like to see. He is not." -- Senator Bernie Sanders

    by Sagebrush Bob on Thu Apr 26, 2012 at 03:11:25 AM PDT

  •  Start with the Dufus Brigade: (1+ / 0-)
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    Louie Gohmert(TX-01)
    Joe Wilson(SC-02)
    Joe Walsh (IL-08) v. Tammy Duckworth
    Steve King (IA-04) v. Christie Vilsack
    Michele Bachmann(MN-06) v. JIm Graves
    Tom Graves(GA-14)
    Paul Broun(GA-10)
    John Culberson(TX-07)
    Phil Gingrey(GA-11)
    Clif Stearns(FL-03)
    Frank Guinta(NH-01) v. Carol Shea-Porter
    Charles Bass(NH-02) v. Ann McLane Kuster
    Allen West(FL-18) v. Patrick Murphy
    Daniel Webster(FL-10)
    Austin Scott(GA-08)
    Lou Barletta(PA-11)
    Patrick McHenry(NC-10)
    Chip Cravaack(MN-08)
    Thaddeus McCotter(MI-11)
    Sean Duffy(WI-07) v. Pat Kreitlow
    Eric Cantor(VA-07) v. Wayne Powell
    Jeff Denham(CA-10)
    Steve Womack(AR-03)
    Steve Southerland(FL-02) v. Leonard Bembry
    Virginia Foxx(NC-05)
    Joe Heck(NV-03)
    John Campbell(CA-45)
    Andy Harris (MD-01)
    Peter King (NY-03)
    Frank Lobiondo(NJ-02)
    Nan Hayworth (NY-18)
    Doug Lamborn (CO-05)
    Mike Coffman (CO-06)
    Robert Dold (IL-10) v. Brad Schneider
    John Fleming (LA-04)
    Diane Black (TN-06)
    Marsha Blackburn (TN-07)
    Justin Amash (MI-03)
    Robert Hurt (VA-05)
    Jim Jordan (OH-04)
    Don Young (AK)
    Paul Ryan (WI-01) v. Rob Zerban
    Collin Peterson (MN-07)
    Renee Elmers (NC-02)
    Timothy Walberg (MI-07)
    Mike Rogers (MI-08)
    Peter Hoekstra (MI-Sen)
    Adrian Smith (NE-03)
    Vern Buchanan (FL-16) v. Keith Firzgerald
    John Sullivan (OK-01)
    Scott Rigell (VA-02)
    Ann Marie Beurkle (NY-24)
    Michael Grimm (Ny-11) v.Mark Murphy

    People to Wall Street: "LET OUR MONEY GO"

    by hannah on Thu Apr 26, 2012 at 04:22:17 AM PDT

  •  Obama makes the same mistake that many (2+ / 0-)
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    do.   He equates energy efficiency with climate change mitigation.  Retro fitting  buildings is an excellent idea but it won't reduce carbon emissions...it just prevents more from going into the atmosphere.   To mitigate climate change we have to reduce the amount of greenhouse gases currently in atmosphere.  That would take some kind of geoengineering or reduction of short lived climate forces like Black carbon, methane and ground ozone

    Macca's Meatless Monday

    by VL Baker on Thu Apr 26, 2012 at 04:32:09 AM PDT

  •  Hansen says "Game Over" for the planet, Obama (3+ / 0-)
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    deflects and posters argue about cannabis.

    There are two kinds of people in this world. The kind who divide the world into two kinds of people, and the kind who don't.

    by upstate NY on Thu Apr 26, 2012 at 05:52:57 AM PDT

  •  Politics and Climate Change (1+ / 0-)
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    shaharazade

    The President's political weaseling on the subject is just that.

    This is an issue we MUST face now.  If we do not, there will simply not be a habitable planet on which to live in peace, let alone look for a job.

    Labor was the first price paid for all things. It was not by money, but by labour, that all wealth of the world was originally purchased. - Adam Smith

    by boatwright on Thu Apr 26, 2012 at 06:32:37 AM PDT

    •  I totally agree with you here, but the biggest (0+ / 0-)

      obstacles to any action unfortunately, are the need to get
      our economy going as well as just about every other country in the worlds as well. You throw in the oil/petrol lobby and the Repugs and some Dems and the Kock brothers and you have one hell of mess dead set against anything pro-environment at the moment. I was saddened to read that Canada is still moving ahead with the Keystone pipeline. I thought they would be a bit more leery of this than they appear to be. Sad!

  •  At a glance, the g in the Rolling Stone cover (0+ / 0-)

    kind of looks like Obama's other ear.

  •  LOL. What a joke. (0+ / 0-)

    DOMA is a federal law, and he instructed the JD to ignore that.

    Once again, Obama shows what a fraud he is.

    Sucks to be a Progressive, eh? What with such an awesome Reagan clone in office.

    But I'm sure the gullible obots will spin like dervishes to justify it.

  •  'in a very serious way' (0+ / 0-)

    is double speak....  it's gives me the willies just like 'reform' and 'after careful deliberation' does. The infantile excuse that Canada is going to do it anyway... never worked with my parents. Retrofitting is a good thing but it does nothing to address the real problem and with the state of the economy who can afford it. We couldn't in the residential program here in OR. Who's going to pay for it and isn't it another profit maker for the disaster capitalists?    

    Can't believe that just because Obama is more articulate then Bush was with his bs 'serious' talk people think it okay to support this crap because he's a adult and pragmatic. What kind of an adult goes after potheads and growers, because we can't ignore the law and lets the bankster's continue robbing us blind, and war criminal's are running our security state.

    I notice that this administration has no problem interpreting old law to make the illegal, legal as far as our civil and human rights go. Indefinite detention, endless illegal wars,  wire tapping, torture, invasion of even your body all legal. Surreal.

         

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