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The Blue Dogs are in trouble (The Political Carnival)
Back on Tuesday, two Blue Dogs—Rep. Jason Altmire in PA-12 and Rep. Tim Holden in PA-17—were defeated for re-election in Democratic primaries. This may not have made national political news, but rest assured that every single Democratic member of the U.S. House of Representatives took notice.

When an incumbent loses a primary, it is a big deal to members of Congress. When two lose, it is a very big deal. When two Blue Dogs lose challenges from the left—Holden to progressive challenger Matt Cartwright and Altmire to the labor-supported Rep. Mark Crtiz—it suggests a shift in power.

Blue Dogs became famous by joining with Republicans to water down, or block entirely, Democratic legislative efforts. With Democratic primary voters dumping two of the remaining twenty-five Blue Dogs  in one day, than we are nearing a point where the ability of Blue Dogs to thwart the rest of the Democratic Party is coming to an end.

How this works is pretty simple. If Democratic primary voters keep kicking Democrats who frequently side with Republicans and Wall Street out of office, then all Democrats in Congress will be motivated not to side with Republicans and Wall Street. So, if Blue Dogs and other corporate Democrats keep losing Democratic primaries, pretty soon we will have a more effective and progressive Democratic party.

On June 5 in New Mexico, we have a chance to hand the Blue Dogs another loss. In the Democratic primary for NM-01, two of the three major candidates are outspoken progressive Eric Griego and conservative, anti-labor Marty Chavez. Making sure that Griego wins and Chavez loses will keep the anti-Blue Dog momentum going, and be an important step toward building a better Democratic Party.

Goal ThermometerPlease, contribute $5 to Eric Griego, and help build a better Democratic Party.

Griego is in a strong position to win this primary. Because of national grassroots support, he is ahead of Chavez in fundraising. Back in March, Griego won the local Democratic Party's preprimary nominating convention, leading analysts to start calling him the frontrunner. Griego is running an extremely well-organized voter turnout campaign, and will hit the airwaves with ads this week.

This is a race where a small donation will make a big difference. Not only will it go to a smart campaign that uses money effectively, and not only will it go to a candidate who has been endorsed by both co-chairs of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, but it will play a strategic role in a larger movement that has a real shot to build a better Democratic Party.

Please, contribute $5 to Eric Griego.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 03:15 PM PDT.

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  •  Not to mention (11+ / 0-)

    that Marty Chavez's girlfriend has been indicted on charges of defrauding a local hospital out of millions of dollars.

  •  Why no discussion of (6+ / 0-)

    Michelle Lujan Grisham, the 3rd candidate in the primary?

    •  Well, you must something. What about her? (2+ / 0-)
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      Enterodynia, sacrelicious
      •  I met her (1+ / 0-)
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        Dr Erich Bloodaxe RN

        at a Women's Campaign Fund event (she's an endorsee), and there's a lot to be said for supporting more women this cycle (unless there's a more compelling reason to support a male challenger).

        I like her.


        •  The compelling reason is the Eric Griego (1+ / 0-)
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          has an outstanding record of accomplishment championing progressive causes and legislation on the Albuquerque City Council and in the NM Senate.  But I'm partisan.  I've given money to and campaigned for the man.  I whipped votes for him at the nominating convention (which he won handily.)

          The bottom 1% are the most egregious victims of Wall Street's class war. We 99% must not abandon them.

          by NM Ward Chair on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 02:36:22 PM PDT

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    •  Was wondering that too? (1+ / 0-)
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      Is she so low in the numbers that she hardly merits mention?  I've never been to NM and know nothing about the race but the verbiage seemed odd.

      "The first drawback of anger is that it destroys your inner peace; the second is that it distorts your view of reality. If you come to understand that anger is really unhelpful, you can begin to distance yourself from anger." - The Dalai Lama

      by auron renouille on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 03:43:06 PM PDT

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      •  No, not really. (2+ / 0-)
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        divineorder, Silverleaf

        Progressive organizations really jumped the gun endorsing Griego. Michelle Lujan Grisham is just as progressive and has more cash on hand then Chavez or Griego. This is also the perfect opportunity to elect a Democratic woman to Congress from New Mexico.

        20, Dude, Chairman DKE Gay Caucus! (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09) Tammy Baldwin and Elizabeth Warren for Senate!

        by ndrwmls10 on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 03:52:06 PM PDT

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        •  From her website, an endorsement (2+ / 0-)
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          Just Bob, Odysseus
             “Michelle and I have a lot in common. We have strong ties to New Mexico and to the first Congressional District… We have been active in efforts to make our communities better places to live, work and raise a family. Like me, Michelle is a small business owner and understands the important role small businesses play in growing our economy.

              Don’t believe the pundits who say this is a “two MAN race.”They are leaving out the facts that (1) she is the most qualified candidate on the issues facing the country today: creating jobs, health care and making government work for regular folks.(2) Michelle has the broadest experience of all of the candidates in this race – Democrats and Republicans. (3) Michelle can win in November when the Republicans come after this Congressional Seat.” — Fmr. Lt. Governor, Diane Denish

          •  What? (1+ / 0-)
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            20, Dude, Chairman DKE Gay Caucus! (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09) Tammy Baldwin and Elizabeth Warren for Senate!

            by ndrwmls10 on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 04:05:45 PM PDT

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          •  and this, (1+ / 0-)
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            NM Ward Chair
            Friends, colleagues and business associates all agree that Michelle’s energy, dedication and advocacy for the people make her the best candidate for New Mexico’s First Congressional district. Her plan will cut taxes for the middle class and small businessesinvest in renewable energy and upgrade New Mexico’s critical infrastructure. She will stand fast to protect and improve Social Security and Medicare to make sure America never breaks its promise to our citizens.
            Nope, can't support a tax cutter.....
            •  That's supposed to be progressive? (0+ / 0-)

              Epic fail.  Finding no love from the left, Michelle is running to the middle.

              The bottom 1% are the most egregious victims of Wall Street's class war. We 99% must not abandon them.

              by NM Ward Chair on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 06:56:15 PM PDT

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              •  Oh no, she is not. (0+ / 0-)

                She's a progressive and your trying your damnedest to manipulate her candidacy. First you said she was committing some sort of electoral crime now your saying she's not a progressive. I sure as hell hope you don't represent any part of the Griego campaign. Stop spreading your lies, thank you!

                20, Dude, Chairman DKE Gay Caucus! (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09) Tammy Baldwin and Elizabeth Warren for Senate!

                by ndrwmls10 on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 07:00:22 PM PDT

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                •  Oh bullshit. (0+ / 0-)

                  I actually live in the district.  I've had skin in the local political game as a volunteer and party official for 8 years.  (That's what "ward chair" means, FWIW.  I am also a member of the state central committee.) I see the candidates at a variety of events.  I have a cordial relationship with Michelle, as a matter of fact.  I am not demonizing or slandering Michelle, as you seem to believe.  I inquired about the finance issue and was given a reasonable answer by her campaign, which I have discussed elsewhere.  If I'm a bit blunt at on Daily Kos, it's because I don't want to write a dissertation.  At least I measure my words.

                  You, OTOH, are a kid who thinks he knows politics who doesn't live in the district, and you are grossly misrepresenting my statements.  You attack my ethics by distorting the plain meaning of my statements, which both infuriates me and leads me to believe that you are projecting.  You seem to have a chip on your shoulder, and a very low boiling point.  You don't have nearly enough information to accuse me of lies and manipulation.  Why have you made  fairly stating my opinion into a personal affront?  You're not a Lujan Grisham staffer! You sound like an out-of-state emo kid who doesn't know his burro from an acequia.  Settle down.  

                  I am not employed by any candidate.  I volunteer for the Democratic Party in several capacities, and for the candidates I prefer.  So no, I don't represent the Griego campaign per se.  What you call "lies" an "manipulation" are the honest, possibly overly blunt opinions of a knowledgeable, liberal  insider.  They are only my opinions, but many of them are commonly held here.  They are only another data point to consider.  I don't pretend to be omniscient, but I try to be reasonably objective.  I'm not going to justify them chapter and verse to you.  I am not going to tell you about all the emails I've received in the last 6 months, nor the shenanigans around the pre-primary elections.  I already reported my satisfaction with the Lujan Grisham campaign's explanation of the alleged malfeasance, for which there was a reasonable explanation.  All you see are commercials and the spin you want to believe for whatever reasons.  Wishful thinking is over-rated in politics, as in other endeavors.

                  In this case, if you want to know who is backing whom, look at the endorsements and follow the money.  There is a stark contrast among the 3 candidates.

                  The bottom 1% are the most egregious victims of Wall Street's class war. We 99% must not abandon them.

                  by NM Ward Chair on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 02:17:48 PM PDT

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            •  Find a candidate who doesn't have middle-class (1+ / 0-)
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              NM Ward Chair

              tax cuts as a platform in their campaign at some point or another.  Sorry, but it's not gonna happen.  I don't like that the meme has to be part of every campaign, but it is and will be.

              "The first drawback of anger is that it destroys your inner peace; the second is that it distorts your view of reality. If you come to understand that anger is really unhelpful, you can begin to distance yourself from anger." - The Dalai Lama

              by auron renouille on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 08:30:17 PM PDT

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        •  Here's her first ad. She's the first to go on air. (2+ / 0-)
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          tardis10, Silverleaf

          20, Dude, Chairman DKE Gay Caucus! (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09) Tammy Baldwin and Elizabeth Warren for Senate!

          by ndrwmls10 on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 04:06:07 PM PDT

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        •  Not true. Lujan-Grisham is a cipher. (4+ / 0-)

          She has NO legislative experience, save one year on the county commission.  She has been a bureaucrat under both Republican and Democratic administrations.  (Gary Johnson and Bill Richardson.)  That's it.  Call me unimpressed.

          OTOH, Eric Griego has a decade-long history of achievement in championing progressive causes like increasing the minimum wage, police oversight, ethics reform, and public financing of city, Public Regulatory Commission, and judicial campaigns.  Michelle oversells what little she's done on the Bernalillo Co. Commission, and usurps credit from the other Democratic commissioners, including mine.  (3000 jobs from a <5% share of a single highway interchange?  Baloney!)

          Michelle is running on her gender alone, it seems, unless you count Patrician entitlement.  (Her father is Manuel Lujan, a Republican Congressman and Secretary of the Interior under Bush I.)  IMHO, a vagina is not a qualification for higher office (nor is it a detriment).  I want the best candidate, regardless of gender.  Michelle's not it.  She's not even close.

          Michelle Lujan-Grisham is no corrupt blue dog like Marty Chavez, but she's no progressive champion like Eric Griego, either.  Progressive organizations, environmental groups, and unions did not "jump the gun" in endorsing Eric Griego.  If anything, MLG made the same blunder she made in 2008 when she ran for this seat.  She waited too long to pull the trigger, again.

          As far as her much-touted COH lead is concerned, it's built on $35K in loans she made to the campaign.  Not gifts, but loans.  That's funny money.  Eric Griego has raised more money and has more unencumbered cash to spend than any candidate, and he has a well-developed staff and field operation.  MLG does not, because she failed to spend money to hire competent staff soon enough.  Even Marty Chavez isn't that stupid.  At least he invested in hiring the best staff he could find.

          Finally, The Democracy for New Mexico endorsement of Eric Griego was unanimous.  Every single member who voted on the endorsement voted for Eric  Griego.  We live in NM-1, and we know the candidates very well.  We built the progressive community here, and we know what we're doing.  

          The bottom 1% are the most egregious victims of Wall Street's class war. We 99% must not abandon them.

          by NM Ward Chair on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 06:55:08 PM PDT

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          •  Oh, so unimpressive! (0+ / 0-)

            She was the head a of an almost 4,000 strong New Mexico Department of Health agency, for 6 years! Before that she was the head of Stage Agency on Aging You are such an utter hack, it's not even funny.

            Oh and to say she's running on Gender is a fucking lie. Check out her first ad, not a single mention of her gender. So another lie you must love to spread. I found nothing wrong with Griego, but your beginning to spoil his image with your blatant lying and misinformation.

            20, Dude, Chairman DKE Gay Caucus! (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09) Tammy Baldwin and Elizabeth Warren for Senate!

            by ndrwmls10 on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 07:05:23 PM PDT

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            •  IMHO your comments are abusive and hide-worthy. (0+ / 0-)

              I will not respond to venomous projections.  You don't have nearly enough information to accuse me of anything.  What you can find online is miniscule compared to what I see and hear on a daily basis.  Please calm down.

              The bottom 1% are the most egregious victims of Wall Street's class war. We 99% must not abandon them.

              by NM Ward Chair on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 02:17:59 PM PDT

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          •  OK, but why no mention of her here? (2+ / 0-)
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            NM Ward Chair, Odysseus

            It seems like there's a credible disagreement as to her progressivism here - if there is a consensus that support should be coalesced around another candidate, I feel like that should be stated rather than just pushed under the rug.  I get that in a three-person election, two people have to lose once the votes are counted.  But this post read very awkwardly to myself and others as a result of trying to avoid that issue.

            "The first drawback of anger is that it destroys your inner peace; the second is that it distorts your view of reality. If you come to understand that anger is really unhelpful, you can begin to distance yourself from anger." - The Dalai Lama

            by auron renouille on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 08:33:05 PM PDT

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            •  I can't tell you. I didn't write the article. (0+ / 0-)

              Of course I could speculate, but I might offend somebody's pre-conceived notions.   /snark

              The bottom 1% are the most egregious victims of Wall Street's class war. We 99% must not abandon them.

              by NM Ward Chair on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 02:19:16 PM PDT

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          •  NM Ward Chair said it best (1+ / 0-)
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            I agree totally.  Legislative experience is very different from administrative.  People tend to be better at one versus the other.  

            I think Griego will make a great congressman, and it looks to me like he will come out the nominee.  The question is whether Chavez or Grisham will come out second and third.

            At this point I think Chavez might wind up third.  Grisham appears to have stronger support than the former mayor.  This could mean that she could be set up for a future run at something like the mayor's race.  I think she needs to dig in and create a track record on the commissioners court before I would support her for anything.  I am a bit leery of political people who are just collecting stepping stones.  

            We do need a slate of good Democratic officials.  Losing a primary is no real shame.  In fact, I think it boosts the fortunes of good candidates for the future.  

            hope that the idiots who have no constructive and creative solutions but only look to tear down will not win the day.

            by Stuart Heady on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 09:59:25 PM PDT

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            •  I think you're right. (0+ / 0-)

              Marty might lose big-time.  He has his supporters, but he also has major liabilities (not to mention his indicted girlfriend) and 1/3 less money for advertising.  More importantly, Marty has already gone negative.  That only happens this early when the candidate thinks s/he's losing.

              I also agree about building a slate of good candidates for future elections.   No candidate wins every race.  Even losing a primary can coalesce future support.

              The bottom 1% are the most egregious victims of Wall Street's class war. We 99% must not abandon them.

              by NM Ward Chair on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 02:27:28 PM PDT

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    •  Grisham is ambitious, but not experienced enough (2+ / 0-)
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      Zack from the SFV, NM Ward Chair

      She hasn't been a county commissioner very long, and likely is using that job as a stepping stone to get as quickly as possible to the next place in her political career.  Rumor has it that she is building name ID for a run for the Albuquerque Mayor's race.

      That would be interesting.  Someone who might be capable of winning that should run against the current Republican incumbent Berry.  

      hope that the idiots who have no constructive and creative solutions but only look to tear down will not win the day.

      by Stuart Heady on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 06:24:19 PM PDT

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      •  Not enough experience? In what exactly? (1+ / 0-)
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        Minnesota Mike

        She's has a shit ton of experience. She was the head of Stage Agency on Aging and the New Mexico Department of Health since 2004. You don't need "electoral experience" to be elected to Congress. She has plenty of the right of experience to do a fantastic job in Congress. She seems very serious about THIS race. She has got the most cash on hand, has the first ad up, and has numerous endorsements. She's clearly got the momentum on her side.

        Someone who didn't have experience was Illya Sheyman. Grisham is no Sheyman.

        20, Dude, Chairman DKE Gay Caucus! (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09) Tammy Baldwin and Elizabeth Warren for Senate!

        by ndrwmls10 on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 06:51:14 PM PDT

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      •  And what, you don't think Griego is ambitious? (1+ / 0-)
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        Minnesota Mike

        Trust me, all politicians are ambitious.

        20, Dude, Chairman DKE Gay Caucus! (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09) Tammy Baldwin and Elizabeth Warren for Senate!

        by ndrwmls10 on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 06:51:53 PM PDT

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  •  Made calls yesterday for Griego (15+ / 0-)

    I left a lot of answering machine messages.  People were either out enjoying the relatively warm and sunny springtime weather, or they were hanging back from answering until they heard who was calling.  

    Of those I reached, I think the number of people who wanted to remain uncommitted was the largest.  Then, the number who were supporting Griego seemed to be ahead of those supporting County Commissioner Michelle Lujan Grisham.  No one even mentioned former mayor of Albuquerque, Martin Chavez.  He seems to have burned a lot of bridges and worn out his welcome with the voters.  

    Lujan Grisham isn't prepared to be a member of Congress.  The resume that Griego has is pretty impressive.  He was an economist, probably fresh out of graduate school, working in Robert Reich's Labor Department.  

    His work as a state senator is widely known.  He gets things done.  He is a progressive who is likely to become a significant member of Congress.  He is one of those people who doesn't mince words and has come to be very clear in his articulation of policy proposals.  

    I hope people check into this race and contribute as generously as possible.  This may be a small state, but a member of Congress who is articulate and progressive is one that represents all our best interests.

    hope that the idiots who have no constructive and creative solutions but only look to tear down will not win the day.

    by Stuart Heady on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 03:26:03 PM PDT

  •  Saw it firsthand. (15+ / 0-)

    My district was gerrymandered so that two Democratic incumbents, Mark Critz and Jason Altmire, would have to run against each other in the primary. Critz is certainly no progressive champion, but Altmire is little more than a CorpoDem. You may remember him as the guy who held healthcare reform hostage to his demands only to vote against it anyway, and as a champion of the balanced budget amendment.

    Long story short, Altmire was a substantial favorite since his constituents make up a majority of the new district. Critz managed to pull off the upset though, largely due to the backing of the AFL-CIO. I hope this race and others like it spell the beginning of the end for the regressive blue dog caucus.

    All the original handles were taken.

    by liberaldeminpittsburgh on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 03:26:24 PM PDT

  •  Made a contribution (9+ / 0-)

    Even though I probably can't afford it, but I REALLY can't afford Blue Dogs and ConservaDems anymore either.  I'm hoping that progressives will really start to get aggressive in challenging pseudo-Democrats in primaries.  

  •  donated via the link (6+ / 0-)

    blew dog begone

    "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them." - Albert Einstein

    by pickandshovel on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 03:32:32 PM PDT

  •  My last vote for McIntyre was my last vote.... (0+ / 0-)

    will sit this one out.

    •  Who do you want representing you? (0+ / 0-)

      Do you want Mike McIntyre, a Blue Dog who voted with President Obama to save our country from a Second Great Depression by voting for the 2009 Stimulus bill, but isn't all that liberal, or some Republican hackjob, probably either Ilario Pantano or David Rouzer.

      McIntyre isn't a saint by any means, but one fewer vote for McIntryre is effectively one more vote for the Republican candidate.

  •  Here's Griego, Lori Saldana and others (6+ / 0-)

    ...about 5 months ago, taking their message straight to Boehner's office.

  •  In my paper yesterday (7+ / 0-)

    Dallas Morning News columnist

    It’s never been especially easy to be a Blue Dog. Fellow Democrats view them as too conservative. Republicans keep trying to bump them off.
    The National Republican Congressional Committee, led by Dallas Rep. Pete Sessions, taunted after the Pennsylvania defeats that Blue Dogs are edging “ever closer to extinction.”

     In the GOP campaign group’s view, the Blue Dogs deserve to be kicked to the curb because, rather than challenging the agenda of Democratic leader and former Speaker  Nancy Pelosi, they served as her “lap dogs” in 2009 and 2010, providing key support for stimulus measures and the health care overhaul.

    Cuellar and other Blue Dogs blame redistricting. Almost invariably, centrist Democrats spring from swing districts where a liberal would have little chance in a general election — just the sorts of districts that make the juiciest targets for Republicans.
    Erick Erickson, editor of the influential RedState blog, wrote Friday that the “decline and fall of the Blue Dog Coalition” is great for Republicans, because the more liberal the Democrats become, the harder it is for them to win swing voters, locally or nationally. “Their true colors ruin their chances,” he wrote.

    Thus it appears we are moving toward a battle royale of ideologies, as the extreme right tea partiers have thinned out any moderately inclined Republicans, and the mirror example is occuring with Democrats.

    from a bright young conservative: “I’m watching my first GOP debate…and WE SOUND LIKE CRAZY PEOPLE!!!!”

    by Catte Nappe on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 03:35:59 PM PDT

  •  I'm VERY district specific when it comes to this (10+ / 0-)

    If its a conservative district, I have absolutely no problems with a Blue Dog winning it, my only problem is when they sit in districts a better Democrat could win.  Don't throw away chances to win a district if only a Blue Dog can win it.

    Look at the fun the Republicans had with Sharron Angle or Christine O'Donnell last time and what they are doing to prevent it from happening this time to Dick Lugar (the non-Palin wing).  Demanding political purity for everyone within a caucus will not work in a diverse country.

    Hey you, dont tell me theres no hope at all Together we stand, divided we fall.

    by marcvstraianvs on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 03:46:29 PM PDT

    •  I am as well (5+ / 0-)

      With the two PA districts, however, thanks to redistricting, they are now lean-Dem (PA-12) and solid-Demn (PA-17), so it makes no sense to have Blue Dogs representing them. Blue Dogs are for holding lean GOP or GOP-majority seats. For Dem seats, we can and should do better.

      Holden was perfect for his GOP-friendly old seat (indeed, his victory over George Gekkas was a major shock), but his current seat can be represented by a more solid Democrat.

    •  I'd be fine with an honest Blue Dog. (2+ / 0-)
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      TexasTom, Matt Z

      Someone who truly is concerned about the deficits and budget, as long as they were actually honest about it.  Despite the CBO scoring that said Obamacare would save the country more than 100 billion over 10 years, so many so-called 'deficit hawks' kept trying to undo it, showing that they didn't really care about the deficit at all, but were merely pretending to, while holding fast to RW ideology and slapping a D after their names.

    •  NM-1 is a blue-leaning district. (2+ / 0-)
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      birdboy2000, Matt Z

      Martin Heinrich (liberal, liberal, liberal!) won by 3.2% in the worst year for Democrats since 1994.  The district is now 1% more Democratic by performance because of redistricting.  We can and should elect a progressive champion here.

      The bottom 1% are the most egregious victims of Wall Street's class war. We 99% must not abandon them.

      by NM Ward Chair on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 06:59:47 PM PDT

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  •  Crikey, if this keeps up the Democratic Party (19+ / 0-)

    is going to find itself with enough solidarity in their Caucus to actually take on the minority Republicans and defeat them, in some legislative battles.

    What is the world coming to?

    * * *
    I like paying taxes...with them, I buy Civilization
    -- SCOTUS Justice O.W. Holmes Jr.
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    "A Better World is Possible"
    -- #Occupy

    by Angie in WA State on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 03:46:52 PM PDT

  •  You better believe it. (14+ / 0-)

    Remember the Lincoln/Halter primary race in AR? The entire "democratic" establishment, a sitting US president, a former US president from Lincoln’s own state, state "democratic" party officials, who used voter suppression tactics (closing 40 of 42 polling places in Halter’s strongest district etc.) to avoid an embarrassing/humiliating primary defeat for one of their corporate stooges (Lincoln). The entire "democratic" establishment is protecting (corporate) Blue-Dogs (especially ones who are responsible for killing progressive initiatives, i.e. public option) with everything they’ve got.

    •  I voted for Halter in that one... (1+ / 0-)
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      Mike Taylor

      And was totally disgusted by what the democratic bosses did.  They totally deserved to get their asses handed to them by Griffin that November. I do think Halter could have beat him that Nov.  I voted for him because I was disgusted by Lincoln's support of the Wall St. bailouts.  After the revelations about what the 'Machine' did, I decided "Fuck both parties" and voted full Independent/Green that November.  Blanche didn't get a vote from me.

      It looks like Griffin will have no serious opposition this time (unfortunately), but I'm curious to see what happens in May's primary.

  •  if a blue dog falls in a primary (6+ / 0-)

    and the media forest doesn't cover it, does he make a noise?

    The big test will be how many of the new candidates succeed.  So, don't forget them come the general...

  •  The "better" part of "more and better Dems" (11+ / 0-)

    For the past 3 years or so, I've had to listen to right-wing yahoos lecture me along these lines:

    For the first two years of Obama's presidency, your side controlled Congress, but you couldn't pass a budget and [insert whatever gripe wanted here]
    And you can see that they don't understand the Blue Dog problem. The Lieberman problem. We never had a real majority because guys like Ben Nelson tend to support republicans and vote with them.

    If we can get a real majority that is disciplined, and willing to use the tools available, we could get way out in front.

    Every day's another chance to stick it to the man. - dls

    by The Raven on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 03:55:53 PM PDT

  •  Excellent (1+ / 0-)
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    Celtic Pugilist

    No Jesus, Know Peace

    by plok on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 03:57:37 PM PDT

  •  Treating them like Republicans (13+ / 0-)

    If they act like a republican and even brag to their constituency that they are against President Obama's programs. We get this...

    "The majority of the American people are against it. I believe that our nation can't afford it. And I didn't vote for it," Rep. Gene Taylor, D-Miss., told Fox News in reference to the health care bill

    and this for a retiring blue dog democrat:

    In an op-ed for The Hill, Dennis Cardoza let loose with a big foot-stomping temper tantrum at the President. Personally, it sounds like more of an audition for Fox News, given that Cardoza did everything but use the word uppity in his rant. He came close, calling him an arrogant professor who never listens to any real people.

    So I shed no tears for these sooner rather later Fox News wanna be's. Good fucking riddance to your sorry asses.

  •  this community has a voice... (5+ / 0-)

    and that voice is saying no more blue dogs, um we just don't need these asshats working against democracy

  •  They only hear it if the Prog wins in the general (6+ / 0-)

    Otherwise they blame the loss of the seat on the 'partisanship' and 'idealism' of the Progressive Movement.  We need a one-two punch for the knockout.

    Please do not be alarmed. We are about to engage... the nozzle.

    by Terrapin on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 04:27:48 PM PDT

  •  I consider myself something of a Blue Dog (2+ / 0-)
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    bepanda, Minnesota Mike

    ...I support congressional term limits, a Presidential line-item veto, a balanced budget amendment, concealed carry, elimination of estate and gift taxes, a federal sales tax, and capital punishment, all of which are positions typically considered conservative/Republican.

    ...However, I support Social Security, Medicare, making higher education more affordable, VA benefits, abortion rights, voting rights, LGBT rights, closing corporate tax loopholes, raising income taxes on the wealthy, raising capital gains taxes, reinstating the Glass-Stegall-era separation of commercial and investment banking, anti-discrimination laws, freedom of speech, campaign finance reform, the fairness doctrine, the equal time rule, and universal health care, all of which are positions typically considered liberal/Democratic.

    •  I just LOVE capital punishment. (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      NM Ward Chair, rbird

      Of course, we mostly only execute poor men, most of them black, and half the convictions are later proved false, but hey - I like the idea of a government that can execute its citizens. And of course, capital punishment is not allowed in all those socialist EU countries, so it must be a good thing.

      "You can die for Freedom, you just can't exercise it"

      by shmuelman on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 05:52:48 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Elimination of the estate tax? (8+ / 0-)

      Why? Unless your estate is in the millions of dollars, it will never affect you.
       (5 million dollars)

      The richest will just get richer. The rest of us will be peons.

      A balanced budget amendment is a BAD idea. What happens during time of war? Or when spending must be increased because of a disaster?

      A line item veto is a really bad idea. It gives the President powers that are not constitutional.

      With Liberty and Justice for the 1%

      by wrights on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 06:22:53 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Yawn (3+ / 0-)
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    NM Ward Chair, apimomfan2, bepanda

    Murtha was the most corrupt guy in the universe. Billions of dollars in pork to his little friends in industry. Earmark reform couldn't pass until Murtha did.

    Altmire is indeed a Blue Dog.
    But Critz is no better. He voted against Obama's healthcare plan, he is not pro-choice...I mean how is this guy any better than a Republican. Or how is he any better than Altmire?

    Apparenly I'm a sanctimonious purist!

    by mattinjersey on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 04:36:59 PM PDT

    •  You are so right. I was stoked to vote against (5+ / 0-)

      Altmire, and I did, but it was a brutal choice. In the end I voted against Altmire because he was MY congressman in 2009 when he was betraying me and my neighbors with his opposition to real HCR. For me it was personal. Critz is no gem, but you'll NEVER get a gem representing the rural areas of western PA.  

      Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!

      by bigtimecynic on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 06:01:03 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Always wondered why they're called Blue Dogs (4+ / 0-)

    when 5th Column is so much more apt.

    •  Yellow Dog Democrats (0+ / 0-)

      would vote "for a yellow dog" as long as it was a Democrat.  Blue Dog Democrats are "Yellow Dogs choked blue by liberals".

      -7.75 -4.67

      "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose."

      There are no Christians in foxholes.

      by Odysseus on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 05:01:35 PM PDT

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  •  This will be good news... (2+ / 0-)
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    kefauver, Odysseus

    ...if the people who defeat the blue dogs in the primary go on to win the general. If not, then I will considered it a net-negative for us.

  •  Eric is a very good guy (2+ / 0-)
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    NM Ward Chair, Matt Z

    Very progressive. I know him and support him. The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness -- John Kenneth Galbraith

    by ABQtom on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 05:30:36 PM PDT

  •  This is terrific news . . . (3+ / 0-)
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    Just Bob, kefauver, Matt Z

    Now we have to make sure they win the general.

    Love, baby, that's where it's at. --The B52's

    by Mind That on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 05:37:07 PM PDT

  •  I have a question re DCCC (8+ / 0-)

    Last Cycle, the Democratic party establishment - including President Obama - got personally involved in snuffing out primary challenges to several Blue Dog incumbents from strong candidates backed by the party's activist base.  In nearly every case, they successfully overcame the challenge, then were roundly hammered in the general election.  The end result was a decisive loss of the house, and almost losing the senate, along with a demoralized and hostile base.

    That's a long preamble to my question, which is, has the Democratic Party Establishment and President Obama learned their lesson?  Are they staying out of these primary fights?  Or should we expect them to throw everything they have at us - including the money we may have donated to them - to try to win the primaries for these pseudo-Democrats?

    The behavior of the party in the last cycle caused me to stop making any direct contributions to any democratic party committees.  Any donations made since then have gone through groups like ActBlue, or directly to candidates.   So, I'm wondering if this had any impact on them?

    "We know how the Obama administration deals with those who would destroy it: it goes straight for the capillaries." -- Paul Krugman

    by Deighved H Stern MD on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 05:41:40 PM PDT

  •  Yeah baby... that was ME! And my neighbors (4+ / 0-)

    that booted Altmire's ass.  The minute he came out against progressive health care reform was the minute he signed his electoral death sentence in my town. He could have run against a wet paper bag and lost my vote.  I made up my mind a year and a half ago I had enough of him.

    Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!

    by bigtimecynic on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 05:55:29 PM PDT

  •  I thought this was about redistricting, making (0+ / 0-)

    the district more Blue, and not a about a progressive voter base arising to throw out these conservadems. I could be wrong, but did something out of the ordinary really happen?

    "You can die for Freedom, you just can't exercise it"

    by shmuelman on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 06:02:07 PM PDT

  •  Progressives ought to look at this list (3+ / 0-)
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    NM Ward Chair, kefauver, GayHillbilly

    This is from


    Progressive Organizations and Leaders

    Congressman Raúl Grijalva, Co-Chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus
    Congressman Keith Ellison, Co-Chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus
    Blue America PAC
    Bob Fertik,
    Chile PAC
    Citizens for Global Solutions
    Cuauhtémoc “Temo” Figueroa, national Hispanic strategist
    Daily Kos
    Democracy for America (DFA)
    Democracy for New Mexico (DFNM)
    Jim Hightower
    Jon Hendry, President, New Mexico Federation of Labor, AFL-CIO Political Action
    Progressive Change Campaign Committee (PCCC)
    Progressive Democrats of America
    Students for a New American Politics (SNAP PAC)
    Labor Organizations and Leaders

    American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME)
    American Federation of Teachers (AFT)
    American Postal Workers Union, Local 380
    Bakers, Confectionaries, Tobacco Workers and Millers International Union (BCTGM) Local 351
    Communications Workers of America (CWA)
    District 1199NM National Union Hospital and Healthcare Employees
    International Brotherhood of the Teamsters (IBT)
    Christine Trujillo, Immediate Past President, New Mexico Federation of Labor, AFL-CIO
    Sheet Metal Workers International Association
    United Food and Commercial Workers Union (UFCW)
    Environmental Organizations

    Conservation Voters New Mexico (CVNM)
    League of Conservation Voters (LCV)
    The Sierra Club
    New Mexico State Senators

    Steve Fischmann
    Mary Jane Garcia, Senate Majority Whip
    Tim Keller
    Richard Martinez, Judiciary Committee Chair
    Cisco McSorley
    Cynthia Nava, Education Committee Chair
    Jerry Ortiz Y Pino
    John Pinto, Indian Affairs Committee Chair
    New Mexico State Representatives

    Eleanor Chavez
    Dede Feldman, Chair, Public Affairs Committee and Interim Committee on Health and Human Services
    Miguel Garcia, Labor Committee Chair
    Antonio Lujan
    Antonio “Moe” Maestas
    Henry “Kiki” Saavedra, Appropriations Committee Chair
    Mimi Stewart, Health and Government Affairs Chair
    Albuquerque City Councilors

    Isaac Benton
    Rey Garduño
    County Commissioners

    Don Holliday, Valencia County
    Former NM Elected Officials

    Richard Romero, former Senate Pro-Tem and two-time Democratic NM-1 nominee
    Jim Baca, former Albuquerque Mayor and Natural Resource Trustee for the State of New Mexico
    Delano Garcia, former State Representative
    Al Otero, former State Representative
    Michael Cadigan, former ABQ City Councilor
    Orlando Vigil, former Bernalillo County Treasurer
    Judith Pratt, former State Senator

    hope that the idiots who have no constructive and creative solutions but only look to tear down will not win the day.

    by Stuart Heady on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 06:13:55 PM PDT

    •  I had no idea Daily Kos had endorsed him. (0+ / 0-)

      Aren't we the stamp of doom when it comes to endorsements?  Seems like any time we back somebody, the party machinery throws tons of money to primary opponents...

      •  Again, look at the whole list (0+ / 0-)

        The reason for this impressive list of endorsements is that this campaign is really well organized behind a really great candidate.  

        They have steadily built up an organization over the past year that is doing the unglamorous dogwork that has to be done, and there are lots of volunteers who come out for Democratic candidates in this effort.  

        It is not the endorsements that win the race, it is the prospect of a great candidate that might become a great Congressman that wins the endorsements.

        hope that the idiots who have no constructive and creative solutions but only look to tear down will not win the day.

        by Stuart Heady on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 06:38:28 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Check out supposed "non-serious" Michelle (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Minnesota Mike, Odysseus

      Lujan Grisham's endorsements.

      Frm. Lt. Gov. Diane Denish

      State Senators:
      Lisa Curtis
      Mary Kay Papen
      Tim Jennings
      Linda Lovejoy
      Howie Morales
      John Arthur Smith

      State Representatives:
      Gail Chasey
      Ed Sandoval
      Donna Irwin
      Rhonda King
      Roger Madalena
      Bill O’Neil
      Nick Salazar
      Jim Trujillo

      EMILY’s List (Website)
      WAND PAC Endorsement for Michelle Lujan Grisham (PDF)
      PODER PAC Endorsement for Michelle Lujan Grisham (PDF)
      Women’s Campaign Fund (Website)

          “Lujan Grisham has been honored as one of the “four strong pro-choice women” who “represent a broad swath of exemplary female leaders” and are “in their communities, working hard to forge a better future.” –  National WCF Chairwoman, Sam Bennett

      New Mexico Professional Firefighters Association (PDF)
      IATSE Local 423 (PDF)
      National Women’s Political Caucus (Website)
      Marijuana Policy Project (Website)
      New Mexico Pharmacists Association (Website)
      OPEIU Local 251 (Office and Professional Employees International Union)

          “OPEIU Local 251 feels Michelle is the best candidate for this seat because she has a proven track record of getting things done. She means what she says, and does what she sets out to do.  She is a candidate with integrity.” — President OPEIU, Local 241, Kelley Burns

      NAELA: National Academy of Elder Law Attorneys
      American College of Emergency Physicians
      American Society of Anesthesiologists

      20, Dude, Chairman DKE Gay Caucus! (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09) Tammy Baldwin and Elizabeth Warren for Senate!

      by ndrwmls10 on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 06:57:14 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I do find this Diary rather disengenous. (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Minnesota Mike, Matt Z, bepanda

    There is no mention of Michelle Lujan Grisham who has the most cash on hand, the first TV ad up, and numerous endorsements. She just secured the endorsement of 1,500 strong New Mexico Professional Firefighters Association.

    20, Dude, Chairman DKE Gay Caucus! (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09) Tammy Baldwin and Elizabeth Warren for Senate!

    by ndrwmls10 on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 07:10:12 PM PDT

    •  Made your point several times already (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:

      and in the most tiring manner.  To me you sound like you're either a paid staffer or someone with an axe to grind.

      Shirley Chisholm was right. Our Republic is in deep trouble.

      by Big River Bandido on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 05:14:37 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  No, not a paid staffer. (0+ / 0-)

        I guess the 2nd part might be a better fit, but not really. I'm just sick of "progressives" trashing serious candidates, that are themselves progressive and outright lying about them and their records. It's the loud-mouth (i.e. Grayson) effect.

        20, Dude, Chairman DKE Gay Caucus! (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09) Tammy Baldwin and Elizabeth Warren for Senate!

        by ndrwmls10 on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 12:56:06 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  And Ah helped! (0+ / 0-)

    Hey, Kos-ites In General...especially you front-pagers...

    Turns out that someone besides yourselves is responsible for trading in Blue Dogs for progressives. Here's even one that you forgot to mention and plead money for, from the same goddamned primary--Kathleen Kane.

    Does the name Bill Clinton ring a bell?

    Bill Clinton? The DLC Devil Himself? The Corporate triangulist? The best President in my and probably your lifetime?

    You fucking assholes make HAY by alienating and dumping horseshit on his and Hillary's names, every chance you get...but HE IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE, and he never gets the credit. And, closer to my nerves, HIS SUPPORTERS are regularly derided and shat upon in these very comment sections.

    Centrist or not, corporate sellout or not, Obama can only DREAM of Bill Clinton's success as well as popularity. As of the last known polling earlier this year, he STILL enjoys a 67% approval rating. We need to repeal the fucking 22nd Amendment, passed after ANOTHER great Democratic President served his country as well as he did.

    "I feel a lot safer already."--Emil Sitka

    by DaddyO on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 07:52:52 PM PDT

  •  My name is Holden (1+ / 0-)
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    And Tim Holden (no relation) has been killing me.  Good-by schumck.  Do let the door hit you in the ass.  

    A bad idea isn't responsible for those who believe it. ---Stephen Cannell

    by YellerDog on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 09:47:35 PM PDT

  •  Also on June 5th (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Zack from the SFV

    Is the California open primary. CA-52 (San Diego) has a great progressive, Lori Saldaña, who is beating a Blue Dog opponent Scott Peters. She's been endorsed by Emily's List and now by the Progressive Change Campaign Committee.

    I've diaried about her in San Diego Kossacks. She's a great candidate that can win; she deserves our support too!!

    "Mediocrity cannot know excellence." -- Sherlock Holmes

    by La Gitane on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 11:18:06 PM PDT

  •  There they go--- (0+ / 0-)

    and they can keep right on going---too!

    "Power is a fleeting thing. One day your souls will be required of you." Bishop Peter Storey---Central Methodist Mission, Johannesburg, June 1981

    by lyvwyr101 on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 10:06:16 AM PDT

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