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was hosted by very good friends of mine -you know the one... the one disrupted by the "renegade" group from occupy - you know the ones - the jerks all in black...

Bar Tartine manager Vinny Eng said they were able to go on with the pop-up dinner they were hosting there, which ended before 11 p.m. The small section of window that was smashed was in the newer, side portion of the dining room. "Luckily no one was seated over there tonight," he said. "So there was a little glass on the floor but no one got hit."

Few if any arrests were made, and all the businesses plan to be open today.

Though members of the Occupy movement quickly tried to distance themselves from the chaos, it was hard not to make the association, given the planned May Day actions today, and calls on the May 1st Strike Day website for anti-gentrification actions. "We were hijacked and it was an utter clusterfuck," wrote one Occupy organizer on his blog.


those are MY friends - NOT the 1% - but very hard-working people who have invested their futures to start a small business - who pay their few employees well above minimum wage - who are struggling to make a go of their business.  that was THEIR event - at great expense - to promote their new product.

THEY are the ones who were "harmed" by the irresponsible actions of those hiding behind the occupy movement - those that SOME on this site defend for "only damaging property" (not the majority - just the disillusioned few, to be clear)

that "hosted" dinner was expensive to my friends - but necessary to expand their business.  their guests were excited, happy, and having a great time - until, that is, some *sshole with a crowbar decided to attack that OTHER small business, bar tartine, and break out their window.  

when that "small group" of "protesters" decided to try to smash windows of cars, break windows of businesses and start a "mini-riot" - the guests inside who had, up until that point, been excited by my friends' presentation now became victims of those who promulgate violence.  funny how raw fear has a way of destroying ambiance, isn't it.

do i hold ALL of those who believe in "occupy" responsible?  well, to a large degree - yes.

UNTIL the occupy movement decides to rid themselves of those who willingly engage in domestic terrorism (ask the people at that dinner if they think this phrase applies, btw);

UNTIL occupy decides to openly denounce EVERY act of vandalism and destroyed property;

UNTIL occupy decides to act as adults and join in effective political change instead of "excuse makers" for the actions of those around them - i will hold occupy responsible for what happens.

this idea of a "leaderless" movement is exactly that:  leaderless and ineffective.

what a tragedy and wasted opportunity - why?  because you are alienating the very people who should be supporting the ideals originally put forth by occupy.

you (occupy) have let this turn into a runaway train that is destroying support and allegiance to a just cause: income inequality.

there are not enough excuses in the world for what happens in violent acts - none.  nada. not one single one.

when i see the callous disregard for harm that is being done to those who are NOT the 1% (not that i would ever condone this type of violent "harm" done to them, either), i want nothing whatsoever to do or say regarding this failed movement.

i am sad to see how it is being touted high and low on this site - i am embarrassed by that.

there is NO excuse - none.

it is time occupy either stand up and turn these violent individuals into the police before some innocent person is harmed yet again.  it is time occupy grow up.

[footnote: the FTP crowd is JUST as culpable for generalizing and grandstanding to gain attention instead of working for real change, such as holding individuals accountable.  i really wonder sometimes if this site has any mature adults left...]

now:  keep the bickering, insults, dickishness OUT of this diary - either discuss how to fix this disaster or just go away and play in your own pens.

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  •  i'm not sure how much commenting i'll do (8+ / 0-)

    as i'm mad as hell - and i'm not sure i can remain civil-tongued.

  •  Right. The same group of Anarchists that got me (3+ / 0-)
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    Gooserock, mama jo, edrie

    hiderated because i was too "harsh" on them. good job, did you take your cues from Bobby Jindal re:Volcanoes?

    Falling in and out of love with you.

    by pure prarie on Thu May 03, 2012 at 08:47:21 PM PDT

  •  Dr. King Was Killed Dealing With the Same Problem. (3+ / 0-)
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    Free Jazz at High Noon, edrie, Avila

    Occupy won't deal with violent anarchists or black bloc for the same reason that Obama won't deal with wealth inequality or climate change.

    They're all savant idiots.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Thu May 03, 2012 at 08:47:48 PM PDT

  •  Still trying to wrap my head around this one, (4+ / 0-)

    so my take may be naive and way off base, but...

    wtf?  why would anyone attack small businesses,
    when there were probably countless banks and other
    BigBusinessInstitutions in the near vicinity?

    Regardless of a lack of central leadership, anyone even
    remotely involved in or sympathetic to OWS causes would
    have to be monumentally stupid to go after a small business--
    when those are so obviously Not the target of the
    OWS movement, [at least as i understand it.]

    Can there possibly be more to this?
    Plants?  Infiltration, to undermine the OWS movement?

    I can empathize with your frustration, and agree that
    the OWS movement had better figure out pretty damn quick
    their mission statement and their leadership,
    or risk losing the sympathy and backing of the 99%
    they were hoping to reach.

  •  I see Occupy as a potential incubator for (5+ / 0-)
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    edrie, lineatus, mama jo, Kitsap River, Avila

    other movements and tactics- of which Black Bloc is not, was not, and will never be one. These were the same "radical, dude!" clowns who gave the WTO Seattle protests a black eye. Talk about giving ammunition to the MSM! Just idiocy.

    They are opportunists. Hell, some are probably establishment goons in disguise.

    What can OWS do? Evolve.

    Sorry about your friend's place - truly.

    "Space Available" is the largest retail chain in the nation.

    by Free Jazz at High Noon on Thu May 03, 2012 at 09:16:25 PM PDT

    •  it was their big "dinner" complete with (4+ / 0-)
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      lineatus, Actbriniel, Catte Nappe, Avila

      austrian vintner to introduce the new wine... they picked bar tartine as the host venue because of the ambiance.

      some luck, eh?

      they will succeed - they have wonderful products (they import awesome wines from hungary, croatia, etc.) - they are from that region and love wines and decided to make it their life work.

      i wish them all the success in the world - better people i've not known... they deserve success - not this type of stupidity.

      this is why i am so silent in this diary - when my friends are harmed, i have great difficulty keeping my tongue ... it's better that others do the talking tonite.

      thank you for your sympathy for their misfortune.

      •  I share Free Jazz's sympathy (3+ / 0-)
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        Free Jazz at High Noon, edrie, Avila

        As well as a WTF?? that a small business was attacked. Small business is not the enemy!

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        by Kitsap River on Fri May 04, 2012 at 01:28:46 AM PDT

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  •  Black Bloc... (3+ / 0-)
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    Free Jazz at High Noon, Avila, edrie

    ... are the cops as agent provacateurs, as far as I'm concerned; it's just too convenient they show up WHEN they do.

    You're quick to condemn all of occupy for what the cops have a long history of doing?

    Their tactics are working, I see.

    I refuse to fall to that gambit; I condemn it and lay blame where it should. Anyone showing up in a mask and paramilitary-like garb is a cop and needs to be exposed.

    FWIW, I am a professional chef and have great sympathy for those hard-working smal businesses harmed by the agent provacatuers.

    I will not blame occupy, though.

    A Poet is at the same time a force for Solidarity and for Solitude -- Pablo Neruda / The Justice Department is on Blue Skies, part of the Netroots Radio Network.

    by justiceputnam on Thu May 03, 2012 at 09:54:32 PM PDT

    •  before i leave for the night, i wanted to (4+ / 0-)

      say that i've seen the s.f. black bloc-ers up close and personal - after the anti-iraq war demonstrations.  they are NOT "cops" - that is a "cop-out" - these are young (in their early 20s) males who are extremely hyped up on testosterone and are out to create chaos.

      my "blaming" of occupy insofar as they are not taking a strong enough stand against this behavior seems to be a bit premature - the occupy bloggers i am now reading about are speaking out and are angry - now it is up to the movement to decide how to handle these fringe provacateurs (watch the livestreams, they are NOT cops... that, my friend, is a mistake that gives those who are violent cover and is not accurate).

      •  My statement is meant... (2+ / 0-)
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        edrie, Free Jazz at High Noon

        ... to put the pressure on those fools; accuse them of being cops and their credibility is dimished.

        Trust me; I was part of the anti viet nam war movement. We had a cop try to sell some hanger's on guns. Our group was hauled in front of a Grand Jury. I was 15 years old.

        The case was thrown out because no one bought guns and because of the agent provocateur.

        I learned at an early age what the cops are capable of.

        And if any fool is stupid enough to circumvent an non-violent movement by falling for the strategy of violence, needs to be called a cop; and needs to be shunned by the group specifically and the movement at large.

        Whether they are cops or no, they are doing the work of the 1%.

        A Poet is at the same time a force for Solidarity and for Solitude -- Pablo Neruda / The Justice Department is on Blue Skies, part of the Netroots Radio Network.

        by justiceputnam on Fri May 04, 2012 at 12:19:23 PM PDT

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  •  Agreed, but (3+ / 0-)
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    Free Jazz at High Noon, edrie, Avila

    good luck getting any traction with this. You are going to get lots of comments about how a few broken windows are necessary for freedom from tyranny.

  •  I Suspect Many Of The "Black Bloc"..... (0+ / 0-)

    step out from the back of a police van.  Plants.  Saboteurs.
    Fodder for the media & their corporate sponsors.

    They never seem to stick around for the arrests tho.  Often they change out of their black gear into regular old street clothes.

    If you are proud of the disruption, own it & go to jail for it.  Put it on your rap sheet.  

    •  my friend, read my post above - i've seen these (1+ / 0-)
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      infantile, juvenile deliquents - they are most assuredly NOT police, plants, etc., but they ARE saboteurs - they are sabotaging this movement and the damage done is more than broken windows and damaged businesses.

      they are undercutting the very process by which we bring change to society - they are out for the violence and the destruction.

      i, and many here, have seen these brain dead idiots up close and personal - so i can assure you they are NOT police or plants.  they are out for the adrenalin high under the cover of a crowd of legitimate protesters.

    •  oh, and i do agree with your last two statements (1+ / 0-)
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      especially the last one - if someone breaks something, take responsibility for his/her actions and face the consequences.

      anything less is sheer cowardice and undercuts any "reason" that might be given for the action.

      that said, breaking things does not change anything other than causing polarization and cost to innocent victims.

      i loathe these black bloc cowards.  they are despicable!

  •  I don't see how Occupy... (0+ / 0-)

    can exert any real discipline over those people other than just folding up their tents and I hope they don't.

    •  point them out and get then arrested as (2+ / 0-)
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      soon as they start trouble.  work WITH the police instead of covering for those who would create violence and damage.  that's how occupy can stop this.  make it known that you are taking THEIR pictures and those pictures will be turned in as evidence against them if they start to damage property and threaten ANYONE - including threatening the police!

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