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Struggling to raise enough money for the Democratic National Convention after rejecting contributions from lobbyists and corporations and limiting individual donors to $100,000 contributions, the Democratic party is looking to unions to close the funding gap. There's a big problem with that expectation, though: From the moment the DNC's location in Charlotte, North Carolina was announced, unions have made clear their displeasure at the Democratic party holding its biggest event in a state with anti-union laws and the lowest percentage of unionized workers in the country.

In addition to their reluctance to fund an event held in an anti-union state, unions don't want to divert money from their organizing and GOTV efforts:

The International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers gave $1 million in 2008, but it isn't planning to contribute this year. It cites North Carolina's "right to work law" that is opposed by unions, as well as labor's need to spend money on grass-roots campaign work. "Registration drives, get-out-the-vote drives and leafleting—that's where we can make our best contribution," said spokesman Jim Spellane. [...]

One top AFL-CIO official said: "We are going to be spending our resources on membership education, not skyboxes."

This leaves the DNC's host committee in a bit of a bind, though, reportedly having raised less than half of its $36.7 million goal. Raising another $20 million in donations of no more than $100,000 per person is a big lift in this economy and with so much competition for the dollars of political donors. And the Democratic party absolutely earned this struggle—if you're going to slap unions in the face with your location choice, it's offensive to go back to them asking to be bailed out when you run into trouble.

Republicans, of course, have not imposed constraints on themselves with regard to contributions from corporations, lobbyists, or individuals.

Originally posted to Daily Kos Labor on Fri May 04, 2012 at 07:27 AM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  Well, they made their bed when they (29+ / 0-)

    chose North Carolina as an anti-union state, and they now have to lie in it. They shouldn't be surprised that unions aren't going to give to them.

    •  what?? You're back? Welcome! (12+ / 0-)

      Imagine unions donating tons of money only to have all the affiliated convention workers be non-unionized labor. Janitors, groundspeople, office staff assistants, people running off pamphlets, providing technical support.

      Creepy. Poor choice from that point of view, although the desire to excite NC dems to get out and vote must have been a driving force. Big oops from the organizers though.

      Fear is the mind-killer - Frank Herbert, Dune

      by p gorden lippy on Fri May 04, 2012 at 07:34:23 AM PDT

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    •  OK, I admit that Democrats and the left in general (0+ / 0-)

      have not supported unions enough.  But by the unions not helping Democrats they are hastening their own demise.

      The logic of abandoning the Democrats for the GOP when the GOP are the very ones wanting to eliminate unions is astoundingly bad.

      A criminal is trying to kill me and I do not like the way the police are protecting me, so I should run to the criminal???

      "The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously." -- Hubert H. Humphrey

      by Candide08 on Fri May 04, 2012 at 07:55:32 AM PDT

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    •  Good to have you back Slink (7+ / 0-)

      keep fighting the good fight!

       Unions like progressives are realizing words are not enough...

      I didn't abandon the fight, I abandoned the Party that abandoned the fight...

      by Jazzenterprises on Fri May 04, 2012 at 08:21:26 AM PDT

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    •  slinkerwink! I am very happy now! Welcome Back! n (3+ / 0-)
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    •  On top of that unions were promised (13+ / 0-)

      action on Card Check and health care public option or single payer.  Unions worked their asses off in 2008 to ensure Democratic majorities and Obamas election and then .....  yeah.  Zip, zero, nada.  A bit of reform of our crappy health insurance, but well below the expectations of everyone.

      Unions got kicked in the ass twice by the Dems.  While they support Dems, they're putting their money to uses better than enriching a Right to Work State.

      The Democratic Party has taken liberals and unions for granted.  Their motto seems to be "who else you gonna vote for?".  Well, money talks and it seems this time they're listening.

      There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

      by Puddytat on Fri May 04, 2012 at 02:57:40 PM PDT

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      •  Too late for a rec. So this is a hearty rec, Puddy (2+ / 0-)
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        Zack from the SFV, Australian2

        I agree absolutely.  In addition, this year the Democratic convention is non-contentious...it's basically a gala event...unlike the gooper flustercuck.

        Democrats need feet on the ground, faces-to-faces and GOTV much more than balloons and confetti.

        "Evil is a lack of empathy, a total incapacity to feel with their fellow man." - Capt. Gilbert,Psychiatrist, at the end of Nuremberg trials.

        by 417els on Sat May 05, 2012 at 07:34:53 PM PDT

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    •  Welcome back, Slinky! (1+ / 0-)
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      slinkerwink

      Glad to see Markos had mercy.

      If there is no accountability for those who authorized torture, we can no longer say that we are a nation of laws, not men.

      by MikePhoenix on Sat May 05, 2012 at 01:10:37 PM PDT

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    •  hi slink! (1+ / 0-)
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      welcome back!

      (Is it time for the pitchforks and torches yet?)

      by PJEvans on Sat May 05, 2012 at 01:41:18 PM PDT

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    •  Oh for fuck's sake. (0+ / 0-)

      President Obama at Madison Rally 9/28/2010 - "Change is not a spectator sport."

      by askew on Sat May 05, 2012 at 03:28:15 PM PDT

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    •  when you are (0+ / 0-)

      sullen and troubled and you need someone to care just call on North Carolina and it will still be there;

      have to disagree about the bed DNC has to lie in!

      Actually, Charlotte is still a great pick: Don't forget that Obama still leads in the North Carolina polls, says Rob Christensen of The Raleigh News & Observer.

      The Tar Heel State is more moderate than most Americans think, and while Obama may fail to recreate the magic of 2008, Mitt Romney isn't igniting any sparks here either.

      If conservatives sit on their hands and Democrats don't, Obama could win — a pretty strong "validation of the Democrats' decision to invest their resources and hold their national convention here."
      "North Carolina is a battleground state for 2012"

      The Democrats' best hope is the anti-Amendment One crew: Obama's biggest problem in North Carolina is that he lacks the volunteer army he developed in 2008 during his tough primary fight against Hillary Clinton, says D.G. Martin at The Pilot.

      The solution? Amendment One. Yes, the anti-gay measure will probably pass on May 8, but the opposition is "passionate, well-organized, broad-based, and well-funded." If they shift their energies and focus to the Obama campaign, he might just keep the Tar Heel State blue in November. "Amendment One to Obama's rescue"

      http://theweek.com/...

      Following Bush and his neocon war cabinet Mitt Romney’s foreign policy vision is the same “more enemies, fewer friends” doctrine. Of Romney’s forty identified foreign policy advisers more than 70 percent worked for Bush.

      by anyname on Mon May 07, 2012 at 01:53:33 PM PDT

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  •  Yes asking for donations (11+ / 0-)

    after doing little to effect the positive change voters were promised is not going to go well.

    Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance.

    by Horace Boothroyd III on Fri May 04, 2012 at 07:30:44 AM PDT

  •  Unions Have Enough On Their Hands Defending (22+ / 0-)

    themselves against threats the Democrats won't fight. And too often, against Democrats as well.

    As a member of a union retiree chapter, this reluctance doesn't bother me a bit.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Fri May 04, 2012 at 07:33:49 AM PDT

  •  The DNC need to play (2+ / 0-)

    the game by the current rules, not the rules they would like to see.

    I'm all for Campaign Finance Reform, indeed I think it the single most important issue .... but you need finance to move that agenda.

    What are we? Glorious, principled losers?

    I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
    but I fear we will remain Democrats.

    by twigg on Fri May 04, 2012 at 07:34:15 AM PDT

  •  If the DNC is the place where they choose (1+ / 0-)
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    Or re-affirm their candidate for the president of the US and the unions are against having it in NC then I guess Obama has lost the backing of the unions.

    •  I disagree Unions will support Obama (11+ / 0-)

      but they will not take thier marching orders from Obama or the DNC. Why should they scratch his back when Obama or the DNC has not scrathed their back.

      Obama has given me a stomach full of empty with a pocket full of dreams

      by Lawdog on Fri May 04, 2012 at 07:40:49 AM PDT

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      •  Why Should Obama and the DNC Scratch the Unions' (0+ / 0-)

        figurative backs since the former has the unconditional support of the latter regardless?

        "The problem with posting quotes off the Internet is you never know if they're genuine."--Gen. George Washington at the Battle of Gettysburg, February 30, 1908

        by Aspe4 on Fri May 04, 2012 at 07:53:11 AM PDT

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          •  True, Finally They're Making Support Conditional (1+ / 0-)
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            on the specific issue of financing the convention at least. Will they support the DNC on other election matters? Probably.

            "The problem with posting quotes off the Internet is you never know if they're genuine."--Gen. George Washington at the Battle of Gettysburg, February 30, 1908

            by Aspe4 on Fri May 04, 2012 at 08:04:49 AM PDT

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            •  Labor has already announced that it will (4+ / 0-)

              streamline its donations to candidates, and only support those candidates who have given unequivocal support to labor.  Instead of supporting as many candidates this year, they will devote more of their resources to member education and organization.  

              As for the DNC, I am not sure whether you mean the improper "Democratic National Convention" or the proper "Democratic National Committee".  Both, at present, are actually just arms and subsidiaries of the Obama campaign.  I would assume that, as usual, many unions would endorse the Democrat, and some would still endorse the Republican, depending on the industry and level of corruption.  As for money, I don't think unions have ever been a big source for presidential campaigns.  The big resource unions have is organization and volunteers.  

              Shirley Chisholm was right. Our Republic is in deep trouble.

              by Big River Bandido on Fri May 04, 2012 at 10:39:01 PM PDT

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        •  Exactly (3+ / 0-)
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          In my state my public employees union only supports the democrat no matter what.

          Now I myself would never vote for a republican but I think the union should go for the candidate that will help their members the most.

          Maybe 10 years ago the republican governor, who was opposed by the unions won. He wound up setting down with the union and negotiating a 3 year raise for us. Then he appointed a director for our agency that gave us all 5%.  

          There has been a Dem governor for the 8 years before that. He had given us 600 buck in 8 years. Counting inflation I was actually making LESS at the end of his term than I did when I had become a full time employee 10 years before!

          But when the republican came up for election they endorsed the democrat who did not give us ONE RAISE in his 4 year term.

          I'm a union member and a democrat but I think sometimes our unions are too "easy" a date with Democrats. They should dance with who brung them to the ball.

      •  I think it's more (9+ / 0-)

        That they have no interest in scratching the party's back after the party threw them under the bus, ran them over, backed up, and ran them over again.

        Between the trade agreements, support of right wing austerity, support of tax cuts instead of jobs packages, and supporting an anti-union state with millions upon millions of dollars, well, I can imagine the unions don't feel exactly obligated to spend their own millions on wine & cheese for the party's 1%.  

        If the unions want to directly support progressive, union-supporting candidates instead of letting the DNC siphon off some of those same funds before sharing with the DNC's chosen candidates, good for them.

    •  Not giving money for this convention, does not (6+ / 0-)

      mean we won't support the Prez. If they wanted our money  than they should have had their convention in a union town. They have no automatic right to our money.

      Solidarity Forever, for the Union makes us strong.-Ralph Chaplin, 1915

      by JayRaye on Fri May 04, 2012 at 08:13:58 PM PDT

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  •  NASCAR nonsense (1+ / 0-)
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    They keep asking me if I want my name on some stupid car.  Hello - I'm true Yankee blue state blue - don't ask me about red neck races!

    Well at least we won't have to have the security surveillance state in the Twin Cities again.  Maybe they should abolish conventions.

  •  More (14+ / 0-)

    Philadelphia Daily News, 4-25-12:

    LABOR UNIONS unhappy that the Democratic National Convention will be held this September in union-averse Charlotte, N.C., are organizing a massive "middle-class" rally for August.

    The location: Philadelphia.

    "A lot of people aren't happy that the Democratic National Convention is being hosted in a completely, 100-percent non-union environment," John Dougherty, head of Local 98 of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, told us Tuesday during the traditional Election Day lunch at the Famous 4th Street Deli. "So we want to make sure our voices are heard."

    Hill, IBEW's national president, told the Associated Press at the AFL-CIO winter meeting last month that organized labor was looking for a "union-friendly city" for the event. IBEW is one of several unions boycotting the Charlotte convention.

    Kristie Greco, a spokeswoman for the Democratic National Convention Committee, played down the strife Tuesday, noting that the Philadelphia event is being scheduled to not conflict with the Charlotte proceedings.

    Dougherty said that the planning was still in the early stages but that he expects every union in the country to have a presence here. "It's just starting to take hold here," he said. "Let me put it this way: We're serious enough to start reserving hundreds and hundreds of hotel rooms."

    That sounds good to Mayor Nutter, who first heard about the event from Dougherty on Monday, and thinks it could help the Democratic push for a second term for President Obama.

    Dougherty said the event may start on Aug. 10 or 11. The convention in Charlotte starts with a rally on Labor Day, Sept. 3.

  •  Hope we don't see people blame the unions (7+ / 0-)

    for chasing the party into the waiting arms of the corporations, lobbyists, and the overcompensated so they can pad the not union made pockets of other corporations that make their millions off of our ridiculous political theater.

    I'm with the unions pulling back and supporting themselves and the candidates willing to stand up for them, before they help to fund an overpriced tv show put on in a non-union town.

    Personally, I'd like to hold our convention in a field somewhere with nothing but a big generator and a rock n roll sound system, but that's just me and my unrealistic expectations.

    Which I will carry to my grave.

    Here is the truth: The Earth is round; Saddam Hussein did not attack us on 9/11; Elvis is dead; Obama was born in the United States; and the climate crisis is real. It is time to act. - Al Gore

    by Burned on Fri May 04, 2012 at 07:50:57 AM PDT

    •  I Was Thinking Something Similar (2+ / 0-)
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      Burned, Dirtandiron

      The mainstream of the Democratic party jumped into the arms of the corporations, the lobbyists, and the over-compensated years ago. But there is a group of  die-hard partisan Dems who blame anyone who challenges the party for being too cozy with the oligarchs.

      "The problem with posting quotes off the Internet is you never know if they're genuine."--Gen. George Washington at the Battle of Gettysburg, February 30, 1908

      by Aspe4 on Fri May 04, 2012 at 07:59:03 AM PDT

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  •  I've Got A Great Idea -- Ditch The Balloons n/t (5+ / 0-)
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    Aspe4, bobtmn, Burned, cardinal, Sark Svemes

    I won't be coming home tonight, my generation will put it right - Genesis 9:3

    by superscalar on Fri May 04, 2012 at 07:52:13 AM PDT

  •  Ditch the convention parties for the 1%ers (4+ / 0-)
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    greenbell, Dirtandiron, dougymi, Puddytat

    The political conventions are just made-for-tv spectacles and we would be better off without them

    What would it look like if Dems just decided not to play that game?  I think networks would still cover the GOP "Reality show", but much less so, and always accompanied by the question:  "Why are you still doing this with your supporters money?  "

    The conventions are just big fun parties for the 1% ers in both parties.  

    Lets just stop them!

    Religion gives men the strength to do what should not be done.

    by bobtmn on Fri May 04, 2012 at 08:01:34 AM PDT

    •  Free speech and assembly (4+ / 0-)
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      Aspe4, Puddytat, nicolemm, bobtmn

      When they decided that they could no longer trust the citizens who live in the convention cities with democracy they became a travesty.  They turned St Paul into occupied East Berlin when they were here.  They are no longer anything we should want to show ourselves or the world.

    •  The Conventions are Also Nation-wide Campaign (1+ / 0-)
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      ads. Dems wouldn't give them up because they would think the GOP would have an advantage. Just like with campaign finance reform, how can Dems refuse the cash and unilaterally disarm when the GOP won't?

      "The problem with posting quotes off the Internet is you never know if they're genuine."--Gen. George Washington at the Battle of Gettysburg, February 30, 1908

      by Aspe4 on Fri May 04, 2012 at 08:09:54 AM PDT

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  •  Easy solution - take corporate and lobbyist money (0+ / 0-)

    Problem solved.  I love how folks want pure fundraising but then don't donate themselves.  If Convention can't raise enough or if Obama Campaign is getting blown out by Romney and RomneyPAC's then they should soften on banks, lobbyists and corporations.  

    Elections are about money.  

    People want Obama to stick it to the banksters, but then will come up with some other reason why they personally will not donate to help make up the lost donor money.  

    •  If They're Going to Pay For It Using (6+ / 0-)

      $100k single donor donations, they sure ain't going to be hitting the Sierra Club membership list.

      The conventions are semi-disgusting anyway, it's ufortunate that the media attention affords them extra meaning.

    •  They've been taking lobbyist and (2+ / 0-)
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      corporate money for a long, long time.  That's why they've become Republican lite.  Their platform always sounds good, but they never follow it.

      Only when we get the money out of our politics and elections do we have a chance for real change.  Until then, money talks and everyone else walks.

      There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

      by Puddytat on Fri May 04, 2012 at 03:07:18 PM PDT

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    •  I agree, but via different logic. (1+ / 0-)
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      BradyB

      He should take their money AND stick it to them. That's how I like to play politics.

      Donate, or we regulate like fuck. Or we start arresting and perp walking for the fuck of it. They'll come up with the cash.

      As long as private enterprise gets to run ads against federal officials, federal officials should be able to use their power against private enterprise. Fair is fair.

  •  Money is Fungible (4+ / 0-)
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    Unions will spend the money they would have donated to the convention on organizing efforts anyway... which is a better way to spend it.

  •  Why do we need a convention? (4+ / 0-)
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    Jazzenterprises, Aspe4, TJ, dougymi

    There is only one Dem candidate for president isn't there? Other than the associated party what is the point of the convention?

    Fuck me! He made it. Will Scarlet

    by dagolfnut on Fri May 04, 2012 at 08:12:33 AM PDT

  •  The Wall St. journal article is trying to make (1+ / 0-)
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    nicolemm

    this a wedge issue. 23 states are "right to work" states, if Republicans aren't stopped more than half the states will be soon. Grass roots efforts, and GOTV and State elections may be a better er use of money this year.

    The contracts:

     http://charlotte.news14.com/...

    UNION LABOR

    17.1. Use of union labor. To the extent permitted by law, to the extent, if any, such labor is available in the region, and except as otherwise expressly agreed by the DNCC, all services, goods, equipment, supplies and materials to be provided or procured by the Host Committee hereunder shall be performed or supplied by firms covered by current union collective bargaining agreements with the unions which have jurisdiction for the work or services to be performed.

     17.2. Labor agreement. The Host Committee agrees that it will,within sixty (60) days of the date of this Agreement, conclude and execute with unions of potential jurisdiction in the Charlotte metropolitan area, an agreement obligating the Host Committee to utilize firms employing or contracting with members of those unions to the maximum extent feasible and obligating the unions to refrain from supporting, participating in or sanctioning any strike, sympathy strike, walkout, work stoppage or other labor action that would interfere with or delay work necessary to put on the Convention, or engage in handbilling or picketing (including, but not limited to, informational picketing) at the Convention Facilities

     

  •  The Bank of America Center/Arena...whatever... (1+ / 0-)
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    nicolemm

    ...as the site of the 2012 Democratic convention will be remembered as one of the greatest "political branding" faux pas in history, IMHO.

    "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

    by bobswern on Fri May 04, 2012 at 09:54:34 AM PDT

  •  Don't blame them, especially since (0+ / 0-)

    some of Obama's greatest "accomplishments" were based on out and out union bashing.

    Frankly, I'm surprised they're even this concilatory.

    •  name some specific (0+ / 0-)

      examples of union bashing by Obama.

      Links are appreciated.  Thank you.

      •  Well, to start with, (1+ / 0-)
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        Jacob Lew - a known union-buster - was employed by Obama as his COS.

        Then, there's the fact that Obama pays government contractors to run anti-union "workplace education" seminars.

        Obama's support for union-busting in Rhode Island

        Union-busting by the NLRB at a Federal workplace for a major Democratic donor corporation.

        This is the most anti-union Democratic Administration sinec Woodrow Wilson. And I applaud the unions for taking direct action to bolster their political and bargaining clout, rather than working through a Democratic Party that has abandoned them.

        •  It would seem that the die-hard Obama (0+ / 0-)

          supporters are much more keen than on "winning" than on actually worrying about policy.

          In other words, they've become the mirror image of the Republicans that they obstensibly hate so much . . ..

      •  Two well known examples (0+ / 0-)

        are his auto bailout which was a good excuse to engage in some good oldfashioned union bashing by his corporate vulture/criminal car cazr  plus his education policy doubles down the Bush Administration's anti union approach (and seriously, if you need links for that, you are just being willfully ignorant)

  •  More ridiculous amounts of money... (0+ / 0-)

    ...being spent on thin air. I know that elections are expensive, especially since Citizens United, but I'm still irked every time I see the vast resources directed at unsubstantial bloviating by the 1%. Roads are being graveled, bridges are falling apart, kids don't have food....it's just sickening that this nation always manages to find fortunes for the poobahs to fund themselves doing nothing that helps the infrastructure, the citizenry or so many other tangibles. All we ever spend money on in this country is bullshit and bombs. A billion dollar political campaign...a big chunk of wealth that buys nothing useful for our struggling economy. It's the way it is but I can't get worked up about it. I just can't.

    •  hear, hear! (0+ / 0-)

      If Republican millionaires want to blow a wad of cash on a three day party, they can be me guest.

      But leave me out of it.

    •  drawing porno - but it's like a mini stimulus (0+ / 0-)

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Fri May 04, 2012 at 04:27:28 PM PDT

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      •  I don't think so. (4+ / 0-)
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        I'm probably wrong but I think of an economic stimulus as being something foundational...something put in place to build future job creation upon or expansion, not to prop up local businesses for for a week or so. This kind of spending doesn't foment growth, it doesn't create opportunities beyond the initial monetary outlay. It's just a quick fix that does nothing to promote stability in the regional businesses. Whatever. It seems that Americans are incapable of investing in anything that speaks to long-range planning. After the conventions the schools will still need money, the public health clinics will still be strained, the mom&pop shops will still be overshadowed by big box stores...sure, the lobbyists, TV coffers and other party parasites will get a boost, but the average citizen? Nothing. Just more bullshit to endure.  

        •  drawingporno - I was referring to the entire (2+ / 0-)
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          campaign which will spend billions from POTUS down to town council. I agree with your analysis regarding the conventions.

          "let's talk about that"

          by VClib on Fri May 04, 2012 at 07:19:56 PM PDT

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          •  I'm just grousing. It seems that our... (3+ / 0-)

            ...nation is becoming just one long series of commercials for ideas, candidates, items...junk. The "richest country in the world" with some pretty deplorable stats, it just gets depressing to watch so much capital and energy expended on utter uselessness. It's Citizens United, it's super PACs, it's the Murdoch/Ailes GOP machine...it's lobbyists and think tanks and religious charlatans and Wall Streeters reaping wealth from nothingness...I'm just tried of the "show". I'm tired of the orchestrated spectacle while education is diminished along with civil rights and genuine opportunity to realize even the most modest of expectations in America. My email is inundated with pleas to contribute to this or that cause and the only meat I've eaten in months is hot dogs and spam. It just feels like me, my neighbors, acquaintances and entire social strata is completely irrelevant to the "official" America. We haven't seen anything beneficial make it's way down here in decades.

  •  Employee Free Choice Act! (6+ / 0-)

    If they had used the legislative hammer lock that existed in 2009 for passing the Employee Free Choice Act, I'm sure that union $ would be flowing for the convention. Also, as an educator, I'm annoyed with how quickly Obama / Duncan will play Republican when dealing with education issues.

  •  Pretty much the whole story of the Obama... (8+ / 0-)

    ...Administration: Shit on the people who worked for your election, then ask them for money.

    Barack Obama: So morally bankrupt that he thinks people who tortured other people to death should get a pass. Likes to prosecute whistleblowers and pot smokers, though.

    by expatjourno on Sat May 05, 2012 at 12:34:17 PM PDT

    •  I don't know why they dont do it to their enemies. (4+ / 0-)

      I find it crazy the Obama administration never gets tough with big oil. NO embarassing FBI raids (followed by apologies). No perp walks with arrest and indictments (even on flimsy evidence). No over the top regulations. I mean they just dont use the power of the office gangster style on their enemies.

      But they go batshit on their friends. I never understood that.

  •  So The Balloon Drop Will Suffer? (4+ / 0-)

    Rather have them spend money on local campaigns.

  •  Bad move on unions part (2+ / 0-)
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    ddn, Dabb

    American Unions have run to absolute worst PR game for decades now and this is yet another example. They, should, like the party in general, use the NC convention as an opportunity to showcase the great things unions do and have done for works rather than boycott an entire state that is trending blue in the long run. They should be at the forefront, rather than throwing a fit about the convention being held in a state with 'anti-union' laws. Heres a news flash, almost every swing state has anti-union laws of some sort and unions' refusal to engage with the populations in these states will not help change that.

    Missed opportunity.

    Give me a f'ing banana - Eddie Izzard

    by linc on Sat May 05, 2012 at 12:44:57 PM PDT

    •  I disagree, there is no good coming of throwing (1+ / 0-)
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      Zack from the SFV

      our hard earned union dollars into a non-union event, creating a mini-stimulus in a right to work (for less) State.

      I would rather the money go to local and state efforts to elect more union friendly democrats than put on a dog and pony show.

      "I watch Fox News for my comedy, and Comedy Central for my news." - Facebook Group

      by Sychotic1 on Sat May 05, 2012 at 01:16:26 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I certainly understand what you are saying. (0+ / 0-)

        However, I say the DNC does whatever it takes to see that this President is re-elected.  Romney as president is scary as hell.

        Btw...I was a union member for years until I was promoted.  Then lost my job partly because I still supported the union.  

        Perhaps a different location would have been better.  But that's not going to happen.  I would agree for my union dollars still going to this convention.  

        Like I said.  President Obama has to be re-elected or this country is in a world of trouble.  And the goal of every Democrat in this country should be to re-elect this President.

    •  I see what you're saying but... (0+ / 0-)

      I don't think the unions spending money on a big party would necessarily shift opinions in the state.  I think the unions will be better served spending that money to elect officials and work to get votes to halt the march of the Right to Work agenda and reverse it where it has already been passed into law.  Here in Indiana, where Right to Work passed this year, the GOP, from the Governor down to local politicians, worked tirelessly, using half-truths and outright lies to push the legislation through - legislation I know all of the people of Indiana will come to regret, not just our union members.

  •  Why does a convention cost $36 million?! (3+ / 0-)
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    mightymouse, Sychotic1, George Hier

    $36 million could go for GOTV work.  Nobody but the base is going to pay any attention to the convention.

    The DNC needs to get it's priorities straight!  Quit worrying about a big damn party, and start worrying about getting more Democrats elected.

    •  that money (0+ / 0-)

      pays for the chairs and tables and backdrops and a lot of paper stuff (and on and on).

      I helped with a science fiction convention one year, and sat in as a sub on a couple of committee meetings. Break-even was 6000 members for $900,000. And most of the labor was volunteers. You start adding labor in - about 15 of us spent 6 hours one day stuffing 6000 envelopes, for example - and it really goes up.

      (Is it time for the pitchforks and torches yet?)

      by PJEvans on Sat May 05, 2012 at 01:39:51 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I nominate you to run it! That sounds about right (0+ / 0-)

        There will be about 4500 delegates so a $million or two sounds ok, but that's a far cry from $36 million!

      •  i work as an event cordinator (1+ / 0-)
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        Zack from the SFV

        for a company that does many very large conventions/meetings for a wide range of companies. Some, fortune 500 companies who host some of the largest "industrials" in the world, some smaller groups. We win many awards. The most we EVER get for a show is a couple mil. And these are  multiple day events for thousands of people in nice locations with days of activities, speakers, and many other things.

        I cant imagine what they need 36 million for. That is an insane amount of money for any kind of meeting.

        The threat to our way of life comes from corporations, and the solution is to shrink corporations while freeing government from corporate control.

        by gbaked on Sat May 05, 2012 at 02:06:55 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Democratic Party setting up their base (4+ / 0-)
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    splashoil, mightymouse, salmo, George Hier

    to have to compromise itself.
    And giving itself excuses to lose.
    This shit really pisses me off.

    -- We are just regular people informed on issues

    by mike101 on Sat May 05, 2012 at 12:50:47 PM PDT

  •  Las Vegas is Union (1+ / 0-)
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    Sychotic1

    but it has a negative connotation now. New York City is Union but they would need sixty million dollars to do it there. Just because a right to work state exists doesn't mean there are not plenty of Union Services available if they seek them out. But yeah, it's like the time my local APWU chapter gave a right wing asshole named John Carter of Texas several thousand dollars because Republicans were whining that Unions never support Republicans. The National pressured our local President to make the donation and he shit on them. It was money flushed down the toilet that took a lot of bake sales and BBQ's to raise.

  •  Well, gee, who woulda thunk it, (0+ / 0-)

    with union busting an d voter suppression everywhere, state houses, Congress and the Presidency on the line, unions balk and putting scarce resources into a convention being held in an anti-union state.  I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell ya.

    The thing about democracy, beloveds, is that it is not neat, orderly, or quiet. It requires a certain relish for confusion. Molly Ivins

    by MufsMom on Sat May 05, 2012 at 01:07:27 PM PDT

  •  While I can't blame unions for not wanting to fund (2+ / 0-)
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    Dabb, v2aggie2

    a convention in an anti-union state, on the other hand, I certainly can't blame Obama and the DNC for wanting to hold the convention in North Carolina.

    It's all about expanding the electoral map, which we are primarily doing in two areas of the country: the Mountain West and the "New South".   In '08 the DNC held the convention in Colorado, the biggest Mountain West prize at the time.  And so the natural choice for 2012 is the biggest New South prize (well, depending on whether you want to count Florida as New South).

    So like I said, I do understand the unions' position this year, but hopefully they see the larger picture here.

  •  The untimate DLC FAIL (0+ / 0-)

    They want it both ways.

    "What have you done for me, lately?" ~ Lady Liberty

    by ozsea1 on Sat May 05, 2012 at 01:20:30 PM PDT

  •  oh yes (1+ / 0-)
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    v2aggie2

    Let's not try to win any anti-union states because that would be so impure.   In fact, if anyone in a state with anti-union biases tries to vote for the Democrats, let's just tell them we don't want their votes.  Until they get enough power to change those anti-union laws, they can just vote for Mitt Romney.   We certainly wouldn't want to hold our convention in such a state to try to persuade folks over to our side.  We say, come back when you are pure enough to have the national Democratic party visit your state and hold a convention there, but until then, you ain't good enough for us.

    Not.

  •  Shoot ourselves in foot with "moral high ground" (0+ / 0-)
  •  well, that explains (0+ / 0-)

    why I got an e-mail form the DNC wanting me to give them money, in return for which I'd get my name on a sticker on a stock car. (They didn't say what size print it would be in.)

    (Is it time for the pitchforks and torches yet?)

    by PJEvans on Sat May 05, 2012 at 01:40:51 PM PDT

  •  Walker's recall, brought to you by: (2+ / 0-)
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    chuckvw, Zack from the SFV

    UNIONS

    Haven't heard much support from the DNC or Obama, however, for Wisconsin's working class.

    Consider that before slamming the unions

  •  They want us to thank them for the shine (0+ / 0-)

    when they piss on our sneakers.

    If only donkeys could have elephant balls... Occupy!

    by chuckvw on Sat May 05, 2012 at 01:56:32 PM PDT

  •  If NC passes Amendment 1 this week, as expected (0+ / 0-)

    how will the DNC react to that news?

    Not only will the convention be in Right to Work state, it will be in the state MOST unfriendly to LGBT. Will Marriage Equality groups also refuse to support that locale?

  •  Michigan Constitutional Amendment (2+ / 0-)
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    schnecke21, Zack from the SFV

    I spent five hours this morning going door-to-door gathering signatures in support of a MI constitutional amendment that would make collective bargaining a basic right.

    It is the MOST important thing to me right now.

    I am a public school teacher.  I have lost my right to bargain health care and most working conditions.  We negotiate contracts and then the state legislature passes sweeping bills imposing 5, 10 and 15%+ pay cuts on all teachers in the state.

    A bill under consideration could eviscerate our pensions during the next few weeks.  We can no longer deduct union dues from our paychecks.  We have to beg people to write checks to the local every two weeks.

    The presidential election is very important, but we will have nothing if we don't go all-in on this constitutional amendment.

    So, if I have a choice between giving money to North Carolina or keeping it here, I vote to keep it here.

  •  This is just ridiculous. (1+ / 0-)
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    v2aggie2

    Who cares what the union status of a state is in terms of convention location? Of course I'd like to see right to work repealed in every state with these laws but basing support for a convention based on the state's laws makes absolutely no sense. The point of the convention is to fire up the party and (atleast recently, with Denver and Charlotte) organize for the general election in an important state. Unions obviously do better when Democrats are in charge and their refusal to help out with the convention and make it and simultaneous local level organizing as successful as possible can only make the future more difficult for them (i.e. Romney winning the election with a narrow victory in NC).

    22, Progressive Democrat, MN-08 (home), MN-05 (college)

    by JonathanMN on Sat May 05, 2012 at 03:03:05 PM PDT

    •  Interests are not completely mutual. (3+ / 0-)

      In Michigan, the entire government is Republican, so if we have a double-dip, Republicans will pay.  Obama probably would, too.

      And I've talked to a lot of people who support the right to collective bargaining who don't like Obama.  They sign my pro-union petition and ask me not to vote for Obama.

      And I think that one of the major reasons why we lost so big in 2010 in Michigan was because the national party abandoned union workers.  The health care bill, EFCA, education reform and other issues supported by Obama demoralized the base.

      That said, Obama will drive up turnout in areas like Detroit and those voters will, by and large, vote in support of collective bargaining.

      And our collective bargaining constitutional amendment will drive up union turnout which will help Obama.

      We are ultimately on the same side, but our allocation of resources this year has to be predominantly at the state level in the upper Midwest.

      That is where we are being destroyed.

  •  Union busting - ALEC (0+ / 0-)

    There is something very wrong with the AFL CIO.  The fact that they are NOT in league with other unions (teachers, etc) is very strange.  The organization ALEC has public records showing that they are against unions...Period.  ALEC is composed of 350+ corporations, funded largely by the Koch brothers, and over 2000+ Republican politicians.  They write the laws that we have to live by.  Don't you think something sounds very wrong?  The Dem's aren't doing anything but trying to create jobs which would benefit the unions....???

  •  my union shouldn't give Corp-Dems $ (0+ / 0-)

    because they sell us out all the time.

    80 % of success is showing up

    Corporate is not the solution to our problem

    Corporate is the problem

    by Churchill on Sat May 05, 2012 at 09:42:33 PM PDT

  •  Grassroots organizing is more effective (0+ / 0-)

    In the U.S. Central Plains the Democrats are low on funds and ignored by the big blue states. Unions are right to use their dwindling funds on grass-roots organizing and not further funding the gaudy national spectacle. Finding and supporting liberal candidates is the priority here.

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