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Two weeks ago, a coalition of urban agriculturalists and occupiers Occupied The Farm in Albany, CA (just north of Berkeley, which is just north of Oakland). This industrious (or should I say, agricultious?) group quickly cleared part of the acreage, plowed it, planted seeds, set up some booths and tables for food and information, and began, well, farming.

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It wasn't previously a farm, exactly. It's a few acres of land referred to as the Gill Tract, owned by the Regents of the University of California and administered by UC Berkeley. It's been recently used for agricultural research by a number of UC Professors.

The UC Administration spat and sputtered, occasionally sending police over to threaten the farmer-occupiers, but until now they have taken no action other than to cut off the water supply (a petty act, of which they should be ashamed, to which workarounds have been found). On Thursday, though, things began to happen.

Thursday evening a meeting tweeted as 'sooper seekrit'  took place between representatives of the occupier-agriculturalists and the UC Administration. The meeting included "six university representatives and the same number of organizers from Occupy The Farm." What's been reported is that UC negotiators stated that if the group abandoned their work, UC would be willing to discuss allowing them at some point in the future to use part of the track for urban agriculture under UC supervision and be part of new negotiations over the ultimate fate of the entire parcel.

Today, UC issued what is best described as an ultimatum. "Tell us you're leaving by the end of tonight or we're going to remove you, forcibly if necessary." Untranslated from diplomatic speak:

If they ((the occupier-agriculturalists)) decide not to peacefully end their illegal occupation of the agricultural research field and refuse the offer to subsequently participate in the formulation of a plan for continued urban farming under university supervision and control, we have every intention of honoring our committment to ensure the research activities are not impeded, and the rule of law is maintained.
I find it difficult to believe that the new caretakers of Gill Tract are going to agree to such terms. People who have investigated the tone on campus agree that trust, as far as the UC Administration keeping their word, or as to what they might do, is non-existent. This in light of many actions taken over protests in the last couple of years and especially in November, 2011 and its aftermath -- when the UC Chancellor okayed the beating of students and then actively pursued having the Alameda County District Attorney press charges against same after announcing a campus-wide amnesty.

The claim UC makes that they are willing to engage in negotiations and are prepared to talk about "continuation of urban farming under University supervision on the tract" has to be viewed with, at best, caution. Abandoning their work will leave them with no negotiating position. Once off the tract, UC can (and probably will) just ignore them like they have ignored countless others in the past who have tried to negotiate to use part of the land for community farming. And if the powers-that-be are willing to treat their own students like subhuman rabble, what aren't they willing to do to eloi people who are not of the UC community?

On the other hand, I do not find it that difficult to believe that the UC Administration is willing to risk another violent encounter, despite a serendipitous day-old report by a committee created by UC President Mark Yudof following the November beatings. It details why and how civil disobedience needs to be respected on campus and why police should be used only as a last resort, not a first or second. But will anyone in the UC administration listen?

The issue is coming to a head now because, as the ultimatum letter indicates

... college staff need to begin work on the tract in support of faculty and student ((agricultural)) research, and this requires that full control of the property revert to the university... these complicated projects require meticulous supervision and cannot be carried out in the midst of an encampment.
In other words agricultural research professors at UC Berkeley need to "get planting" or else their research projects will be compromised for the year.

Honestly though, I don't see why UC agricultural professors and the occupier-agriculturalists couldn't work side by side on the tract this summer. Of course there would need to some physical separation and agreed upon dos and don'ts. For legal purposes the occupier-agriculturalists may have to be "supervised" by UC lest some kind of lawsuit develop if someone is injured, but that supervision could be as light as a feather and pretty much in the hands of those who organized the takeover should UC choose to make it so.

I would have to think that researchers would feel a lot more comfortable with their projects going forward knowing they were working alongside people who deeply believe in what they are doing -- rather than setting up a situation where hundreds of seething activists have been evicted, arrested, potentially beaten, tear-gassed or pepper-sprayed.  There have been incidents in the past, and while I absolutely do not, under any circumstances, condone actions such as those referenced, the actors involved need to realize that such nastiness does happen.

In the best interests of everyone, it seems to me its time to come to a real agreement between the parties, not some promised pie-in-the-sky maybe, might-be future.

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Notes:

The tract is at the corner of Marin and San Pablo, in Albany, CA, if you want to view it on Google or head over their for a look-see and give them your support.

Read a local perspective on the situation and the tract.

A statement from a UC Professor about the Gill Tract

4:22 PM PT: Recent tweets. Check out the pictures!

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Alyssa ‏ @alyssa011968

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Originally posted to jpmassar on Sat May 05, 2012 at 04:14 PM PDT.

Also republished by Occupy Wall Street, ClassWarfare Newsletter: WallStreet VS Working Class Global Occupy movement, California politics, SFKossacks, and Progressive Hippie.

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  •  As A Guy That Has Done A Lot (16+ / 0-)

    Of public relations in my life, I am often stunned that the "best" PR is usually just to do the right thing. How hard would it be for the University of California just to have the folks sign some document saying the UC can't be held legally responsible for anything and just let them use the darn land. I mean wouldn't it kind of be a win/win for everybody and they don't even really have to do anything.

    When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

    by webranding on Sat May 05, 2012 at 04:18:35 PM PDT

    •  Yeah. (4+ / 0-)
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      They do have to make satisfactory arrangement with the researchers too, though.

    •  (hollow laugh) (9+ / 0-)

      Even now, I am writing a report for UC on workforce effectiveness that I know will be completely ignored, because honesty compels me to recommend the complete abandonment of a totally counter-productive (cough, evil) system that was commissioned by a senior executive who recently retired.  How hard would it be to cancel the deal and lay it on him?  Too hard.  It's even possible that saying so will damage my own career.  It's not the crime, it's the whistleblowers.  

      "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold...The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity" -W.B. Yeats

      by LucyandByron on Sat May 05, 2012 at 04:35:03 PM PDT

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      •  Related Background (1+ / 0-)
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        [...]  

        (i) since its purchase in 1928 (or, perhaps, its bequest to UC by the Gill family farm with the condition that it should be used forever as an agricultural research station), UC has parceled, sold off, and developed about 90 percent of the 104 acre plot. Can a land grant University divert agricultural land to commercial or recreational uses? Does such diversion contradict the land grant mission of a public University?

        (ii) UC has transferred the land from the College of Natural Resources to UCB Capital Projects, its commercial arm which specializes in “development projects”; and

        (iii) the 2004 Master Plan, jointly worked out with the Albany City Council and Planning Commission, clearly states that the land has been re-designated from "academic reserve" to "recreation and open space" which may mean baseball and soccer fields, parks or any number of recreational designations.

        Does such redesignation guarantee the preservation of the land for an urban agriculture center? This is an idea that several professors, students, 45 non-profit organizations and community members, organized under the Bay Area Coalition for Urban Agriculture (BACUA), presented in the form of a proposal to the University in February 2000. The proposal was for the creation of the world's first university center on sustainable urban agriculture and food systems. The purposes of the Center were to promote research, education, extension and outreach in the various environmental and socioeconomic dimensions of urban farming and sustainable food systems.  

        This proposal was ignored by the University, and so was a later one, ...

        source

        Resistance Is Fertile - Occupy

        by Sean X on Sun May 06, 2012 at 04:38:15 AM PDT

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    •  Do we know the land isn't being used already? (0+ / 0-)

      Has it been promised to someone else?  Is it being used as a sanctuary?  The diary states it's in use by UC faculty.

  •  Why don't they take over (4+ / 0-)

    a private and corporate piece of land, instead of land that researchers and their students use to perform public research?

    I don't give a shit if they take Chase's front lawn. But preventing scientists from doing their work, and the grad students from the stuff they need to do to finish their degrees, really isn't fair.

    “I apologise ...for not making myself clear. I should have said that this new age drivel is undermining the very fabric of our civilisation --@ProfBrianCox

    by mem from somerville on Sat May 05, 2012 at 04:32:03 PM PDT

    •  Well, they would argue (4+ / 0-)
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      the last remaining 10 acres of Class I agricultural soil in the urbanized East Bay area.
      and that it is owned by the people of California.
    •  Have you read anything about the status (3+ / 0-)
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      of the Gill tract?  Do you know anything about the situation there other than what you've read from across the country? Assuming you're actually in somerville.

      There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

      by AoT on Sat May 05, 2012 at 04:37:17 PM PDT

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      •  Yes, I have been following it (8+ / 0-)

        because I have plant scientists in my circle who are discussing it.

        Do you know anything about the grant system in the US? You submit grants that are tied to specific resources and facilities, and you do this years in advance in many cases. And to plan your work over years, and for multi-year work that needs to be planted now it's a bit late to scramble?

        Have you read anything about the researcher's work?

        “I apologise ...for not making myself clear. I should have said that this new age drivel is undermining the very fabric of our civilisation --@ProfBrianCox

        by mem from somerville on Sat May 05, 2012 at 04:42:23 PM PDT

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        •  No, and I would be interested in a link... (2+ / 0-)
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          The sources that I have been seeing say something very different...

          To whit:

          Occupy the Farm, a coalition of local residents, farmers, students, researchers, and activists are planting over 15,000 seedlings at the Gill Tract, the last remaining 10 acres of Class I agricultural soil in the urbanized East Bay area. The Gill Tract is public land administered by the University of California, which plans to sell it to private developers.

          For decades the UC has thwarted attempts by community members to transform the site for urban sustainable agriculture and hands-on education. With deliberate disregard for public interest, the University administrators plan to pave over this prime agricultural soil for commercial retail space, a Whole Foods, and a parking lot.

          “For ten years people in Albany have tried to turn the Gill Tract into an Urban Farm and a more open space for the community. The people in the Bay Area deserve to use this treasure of land for an urban farm to help secure the future of our children,” explains Jackie Hermes-Fletcher, an Albany resident and public school teacher for 38 years.

          I'm not picking sides, just trying to get the facts, independent of my personal feelings.

          "I took a walk around the world, To ease my troubled mind. I left my body laying somewhere In the sands of time" Kryptonite 3 doors Down

          by farmerchuck on Sat May 05, 2012 at 04:48:06 PM PDT

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        •  You know, right after I posted that (6+ / 0-)

          I was like, damn, I'm being a dick right there.  
          Sorry for that and thank you for not responding in kind.

          I'm very aware of how the grant system works.  There is no real reason that the researchers can't work with the occupiers.  The UC administration is full of lying scum and what should happen is that the occupiers work out a plan with the researchers.

          There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

          by AoT on Sat May 05, 2012 at 04:49:36 PM PDT

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          •  But this is the thing (4+ / 0-)

            aiming at the wrong target. Go take the administration lawn if you are pissed at them.

            “I apologise ...for not making myself clear. I should have said that this new age drivel is undermining the very fabric of our civilisation --@ProfBrianCox

            by mem from somerville on Sat May 05, 2012 at 04:52:10 PM PDT

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            •  And get no where (2+ / 0-)
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              This is another case where the people in charge want us to fight each other instead of them.  And I don't say that to dismiss the problems with it.  But really, the only reason the occupy farm has been going on for as long as it has is because the school cares about as much about the researchers as it does the bad publicity.

              There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

              by AoT on Sat May 05, 2012 at 05:01:04 PM PDT

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              •  So if you were angry (3+ / 0-)
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                at the administration, going after climate scientists facilities would be ok?

                “I apologise ...for not making myself clear. I should have said that this new age drivel is undermining the very fabric of our civilisation --@ProfBrianCox

                by mem from somerville on Sat May 05, 2012 at 05:08:40 PM PDT

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                •  No, definitely not (0+ / 0-)

                  And that wasn't my point.  I was pointing out that this is one of those cases where we need to get people to work together.  This is all so frustrating to me because it's all been set up so that any time you do anything you are either hurting someone who is doing something good or you get beaten by the police and arrested.  

                  If the occupy farmers did go to the university and farm there, or on other unused university land, would you speak up for them?

                  There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

                  by AoT on Sat May 05, 2012 at 05:25:11 PM PDT

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                  •  I don't know (3+ / 0-)
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                    I'd evaluate the situation first. I don't just blindly support something because it fits my preconceived notions.

                    “I apologise ...for not making myself clear. I should have said that this new age drivel is undermining the very fabric of our civilisation --@ProfBrianCox

                    by mem from somerville on Sat May 05, 2012 at 05:32:02 PM PDT

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                    •  Well that's unreasonably reasonable (0+ / 0-)

                      I guess the question is what it would take for you to support it.  Because in practical terms it would probably get shut down before you'd have a chance to thoroughly evaluate it.  And that isn't to say I don't understand where you're coming from.  I do understand why you'd be hesitant, even though I obviously wouldn't be.

                      There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

                      by AoT on Sat May 05, 2012 at 05:47:10 PM PDT

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                      •  there could be a zillion hypothetical reasons (4+ / 0-)
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                        for or against.

                        But when you start blindly following anything without question, think about what that looks like from the other side: Planned Parenthood. Intelligent Design. Climate deniers. Stem cells research.

                        It's not only an issue on the right, but it's a freakin' art form there. I would prefer my allies thought more.

                        “I apologise ...for not making myself clear. I should have said that this new age drivel is undermining the very fabric of our civilisation --@ProfBrianCox

                        by mem from somerville on Sat May 05, 2012 at 05:56:59 PM PDT

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                        •  That's not really what I meant (0+ / 0-)

                          What I was getting at is whether there are certain things that would be prerequisites for you supporting something.  Like, would the people farming the lawn at UCB need to have a complete plan?  

                          Maybe we could find someone who submitted a grant application and was denied and utilize UCB lawn to do their work.  If there was a grant application that had already been submitted would that be enough to go on?

                          There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

                          by AoT on Sat May 05, 2012 at 06:01:59 PM PDT

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                          •  I don't have prerequisites, no. (3+ / 0-)
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                            I evaluate data when I have it.

                            “I apologise ...for not making myself clear. I should have said that this new age drivel is undermining the very fabric of our civilisation --@ProfBrianCox

                            by mem from somerville on Sat May 05, 2012 at 06:05:35 PM PDT

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                          •  What about a case where data isn't available? (0+ / 0-)

                            And I ask because as of late there have been a lot of those for me.  What do you do when you know the police are moving into kick people out?  Because not saying anything is the functional equivalent of siding with the police.

                            There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

                            by AoT on Sat May 05, 2012 at 06:09:30 PM PDT

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                          •  I rather prefer (3+ / 0-)
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                            the concept of "innocent until proven guilty".

                            “I apologise ...for not making myself clear. I should have said that this new age drivel is undermining the very fabric of our civilisation --@ProfBrianCox

                            by mem from somerville on Sat May 05, 2012 at 06:15:51 PM PDT

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                          •  What does that mean outside the context of law? (0+ / 0-)

                            I assume that there are people who you would believe about certain things, but if we leave it to a court system that is obviously biased against us then what are we left with?

                            There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

                            by AoT on Sat May 05, 2012 at 07:28:16 PM PDT

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                          •  I'm with More here (2+ / 0-)
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                            William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!

                            Sir Thomas More:
                            Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?

                            William Roper: Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!

                            Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!

                            http://www.imdb.com/...

                            “I apologise ...for not making myself clear. I should have said that this new age drivel is undermining the very fabric of our civilisation --@ProfBrianCox

                            by mem from somerville on Sat May 05, 2012 at 07:39:30 PM PDT

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                          •  And you;d support a law that has been (0+ / 0-)

                            been categorically proven to be racist?  You'd support a law that has put me and my friends in jail for nothing more than walking in the street?  You'd support a law that is determined by the obviously sexist and racist supreme court?  You do remember that every attack on MLK was supported by law.  Every attack on womens rights was supported by law.  Is that the law you support?

                            There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

                            by AoT on Sat May 05, 2012 at 07:59:34 PM PDT

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                          •  Wha? (3+ / 0-)
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                            What law are we talking about here in Berkeley? You have me very confused now.

                            There are plenty of laws I would work to change. I just wouldn't sit on a grad student's lab bench to accomplish it.

                            “I apologise ...for not making myself clear. I should have said that this new age drivel is undermining the very fabric of our civilisation --@ProfBrianCox

                            by mem from somerville on Sat May 05, 2012 at 08:08:05 PM PDT

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                          •  I was really bothered by this last night (1+ / 0-)
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                            and I tried to figure out why I found your perspective so disturbing. And when I was just reading something unrelated today--I figured out what it was.

                            You are advocating vigilantism. This is precisely what killed Trayvon Martin. Someone with incomplete information and prejudices acted outside the law, because he thought it was what was right for his community and he knew best.

                            And you know what: I wouldn't have supported just acting on Zimmerman outside the law either. It wouldn't make it right.

                            If that's what you want to be--I can't stop you. But I can ask you to think it through.

                            “I apologise ...for not making myself clear. I should have said that this new age drivel is undermining the very fabric of our civilisation --@ProfBrianCox

                            by mem from somerville on Sun May 06, 2012 at 09:49:48 AM PDT

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                          •  I'm supporting disobedience (0+ / 0-)

                            Civil if possible. Otherwise if necessary.

                            I'm not supporting going out and attacking people, or anything like what happened to Treyvon.  To compare resisting racist laws to murdering a young black man because you were following him and you were scared is absurd.

                            And you know what: I wouldn't have supported just acting on Zimmerman outside the law either. It wouldn't make it right.
                             

                            So then what do you do when the law systematically allows the murderers of black people to go free?  More importantly, what are you doing?

                            There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

                            by AoT on Wed May 09, 2012 at 05:49:22 PM PDT

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                          •  Although, this is all completely besides the point (0+ / 0-)

                            which I would have realized if I had taken a second to read through the thread.  Mea Culpa.

                            You are advocating for never taking action unless there is no reasonable doubt that what we are going to take action against is wrong.  Is that correct?

                            There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

                            by AoT on Wed May 09, 2012 at 05:51:11 PM PDT

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                  •  Also too (3+ / 0-)
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                    Neil deGrasse Tyson, "One of the biggest problems with the world today is that we have large groups of people who will accept whatever they hear on the grapevine -- just because it suits their worldview, not because it is actually true or because they have evidence to support it. The really striking thing is that it would not take much effort to establish validity in these cases but people prefer reassurance to research." - Neil deGrasse Tyson

                    "One of the biggest problems with the world today is that we have large groups of people who will accept whatever they hear on the grapevine -- just because it suits their worldview, not because it is actually true or because they have evidence to support it. The really striking thing is that it would not take much effort to establish validity in these cases but people prefer reassurance to research." - Neil deGrasse Tyson

                    “I apologise ...for not making myself clear. I should have said that this new age drivel is undermining the very fabric of our civilisation --@ProfBrianCox

                    by mem from somerville on Sat May 05, 2012 at 05:48:05 PM PDT

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                    •  The question is what counts as the grapevine (0+ / 0-)

                      What news channel would you believe over something I told you here?  What if I told you that I knew the researchers were lying about needing the property?(which I'm not telling you)  You live a long way away, so you only have grapevines to go on.  How do you deal with that?

                      And I'm very serious here.  This is the question of our time.  How do we deal with the fact that we can't test everything for ourselves?  How do we know which sources to trust?

                      There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

                      by AoT on Sat May 05, 2012 at 05:58:06 PM PDT

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                      •  I have contacts at that university. (5+ / 0-)
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                        Who do plant science.

                        Who are your sources? And what measure would you use to rate them as more trustworthy than mine?

                        And in a stalemate--who gets to make the call?

                        I agree--it is serious. I have the same problem all the time with anti-vaxxers, creationists, etc. Who do you trust? And why do you trust them?

                        “I apologise ...for not making myself clear. I should have said that this new age drivel is undermining the very fabric of our civilisation --@ProfBrianCox

                        by mem from somerville on Sat May 05, 2012 at 06:03:42 PM PDT

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                        •  Oh god, lets not start on the anti-vaxxers (1+ / 0-)
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                          and creationists.

                          But I think it is an important question.  And in this case I don't actually have sources, which is why I'm deferring to your judgement, even though I don't actually know you enough to really trust you.

                          Who do you trust? And why do you trust them?
                          This is the question.

                          There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

                          by AoT on Sat May 05, 2012 at 06:07:15 PM PDT

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                          •  I'm not asking you to trust me. (3+ / 0-)
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                            I'm asking you to consider the data. I have offered you links to media, which you may or may not trust--and that's fine. But you could use those names and leads to evaluate more about them. Are they on the faculty? Have they published papers? Do they have grants?  All these are matters of public record.

                            What data would it take for you to be convinced?

                            “I apologise ...for not making myself clear. I should have said that this new age drivel is undermining the very fabric of our civilisation --@ProfBrianCox

                            by mem from somerville on Sat May 05, 2012 at 06:19:53 PM PDT

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      •  Such as this (8+ / 0-)

        Scientists Study Plant Genetics at Land Currently Being Occupied

        “All of us do basic research that is paid for by federal research grants. We don't grow GMOs at Gill, and we really don't appreciate our planting season being threatened because they want to make a political point.”

        “I apologise ...for not making myself clear. I should have said that this new age drivel is undermining the very fabric of our civilisation --@ProfBrianCox

        by mem from somerville on Sat May 05, 2012 at 04:45:06 PM PDT

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        •  coolness, Have to respect anyone following (4+ / 0-)
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          in the footsteps of McClintock (she's a personal hero)...
          But I don't see anything there that says they couldn't get along, or work together. Explained properly, most people can become fascinated with this sort of work, especially knowing that it's not GMO/Monsanto related/funded, as they tend to cause a knee-jerk reaction in an awful lot of people.

          "I took a walk around the world, To ease my troubled mind. I left my body laying somewhere In the sands of time" Kryptonite 3 doors Down

          by farmerchuck on Sat May 05, 2012 at 04:57:34 PM PDT

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      •  MeM is an honest and committed Kossack (8+ / 0-)

        We frequently disagree, but please don't slide into troll accusations, I like both of you.

        "I took a walk around the world, To ease my troubled mind. I left my body laying somewhere In the sands of time" Kryptonite 3 doors Down

        by farmerchuck on Sat May 05, 2012 at 04:45:57 PM PDT

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  •  I am sick and tired of the UC Regents. (6+ / 0-)

    I remember this BS from when I was a student at Berkeley, back in the 80s. It's like, "We can't be accountable to the community. There's no way. We're too high-and-mighty. You can forget any kind of compromise, even one that would be painless to us--just forget it. We're old white men. Too many of our brain-cells are missing. Ours is an absolute position..."

    I see nothing has changed.

    Thanks for the diary.

    It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

    by karmsy on Sat May 05, 2012 at 04:32:48 PM PDT

  •  as a farmer, and 1000% supporter of Occupy (6+ / 0-)
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    and someone who has spent many years in academic research, I say STAY. Don't give up what little power you have by abandoning your own "experiment" in democracy and food systems. Of course,  I'm a wobbly old fart who thinks we should be doing this with industry and power generation also, and so have no credibility with the troll contingent who should be here in ten minutes to preach on the sanctity of private property and The Law...

    "I took a walk around the world, To ease my troubled mind. I left my body laying somewhere In the sands of time" Kryptonite 3 doors Down

    by farmerchuck on Sat May 05, 2012 at 04:35:18 PM PDT

  •  There's music happening tomorrow at 4pm (2+ / 0-)
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    https://www.facebook.com/...

    My friend, an awesome singer song writer, is playing the tract occupy farm!

    There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

    by AoT on Sat May 05, 2012 at 04:35:59 PM PDT

  •  Is Miguel Altieri on your side? (2+ / 0-)
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    "I've seen the flame of hope among the hopeless/ And that was truly the biggest heartbreak of all" -- Bruce Cockburn

    by Cassiodorus on Sat May 05, 2012 at 05:30:04 PM PDT

  •  The point is.. (2+ / 0-)
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    the land is scheduled to be developed. Paved over, lost forever. The researchers would be fools not to side with the Occupiers. The mewling about researchers inconvenienced by Occupiers is misguided.

    This Rover crossed over.. Willie Nelson

    by Karl Rover on Sat May 05, 2012 at 06:27:48 PM PDT

    •  I don't especially like your wording (3+ / 0-)
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      But from what I have found on teh google, that does appear to be the case...mem's link claims to be using some 5% of the area, and appears to be having problems getting undergrads to work on weeding and such. It's a shame there isn't someway for an alliance to be made. Divide and conquer is how parking lots happen I guess.

      "I took a walk around the world, To ease my troubled mind. I left my body laying somewhere In the sands of time" Kryptonite 3 doors Down

      by farmerchuck on Sat May 05, 2012 at 06:55:33 PM PDT

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    •  Where is your evidence for that? (2+ / 0-)
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      Because I have read differently:

      Mogulof said there are no imminent plans for development at the Gill Tract, and that whatever happens at the site will result from a process based on community discussions and goals in conjunction with the city of Albany. (The area is zoned, in the university's 2004 Master Plan, for recreation and open space.)
      But yeah--who gives a shit about scientists, right? Who gives a damn about public research dollars? They are probably just libruls anyway....

      “I apologise ...for not making myself clear. I should have said that this new age drivel is undermining the very fabric of our civilisation --@ProfBrianCox

      by mem from somerville on Sat May 05, 2012 at 06:56:37 PM PDT

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      •  I can't speak for KR (2+ / 0-)
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        I googled for gill tract, albany, CA and spent an hour reading everything that popped up. Then spent an hour rounding up my cows that broke down the fence. The quote I posted above was found on a link to Via Campesina, and admittedly biased, but seems to be supported by a number of newspaper articles. And I am not trying to be critical of researchers, we need everyone we can get. I just think that cooperation is superior to competition, and is particularly apt in what I've read in this case...But I haven't read everything, there are no doubt many things I don't know about the situation. My emotional half tends to side with the occupiers, as I have personal experience with being powerless and hungry.

        I Really think it a shame that this can't be regarded as an opportunity for both sides

        "I took a walk around the world, To ease my troubled mind. I left my body laying somewhere In the sands of time" Kryptonite 3 doors Down

        by farmerchuck on Sat May 05, 2012 at 07:11:11 PM PDT

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      •  I don't generally converse with you (1+ / 0-)
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        because you offer little more than straw-man nonsense-

        But yeah--who gives a shit about scientists, right? Who gives a damn about public research dollars? They are probably just libruls anyway....
        But what the hell. Here's a diary by the same author from April 23:
        ... the last remaining 10 acres of Class I agricultural soil in the urbanized East Bay area. The Gill Tract is public land administered by the University of California, which plans to sell it to private developers.
        For decades the UC has thwarted attempts by community members to transform the site for urban sustainable agriculture and hands-on education. With deliberate disregard for public interest, the University administrators plan to pave over this prime agricultural soil for commercial retail space, a Whole Foods, and a parking lot.
        not too hard to find

        This Rover crossed over.. Willie Nelson

        by Karl Rover on Sat May 05, 2012 at 07:19:52 PM PDT

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    •  That is not true (0+ / 0-)

      I live in Albany.

      The land is scheduled to be turned into little league fields. The people of Albany have been planning with UC what to do with that land for many years. But that would be back in the normal universe where people on both sides are reasonable, talk to each other, and make plans (many of which have already been implemented).

      I am no fan of UC but I am a big fan of local people controlling their future and these occupiers are not local, have not been part of the OPEN MEETINGS planning the future of that bit of land for everyone's use, and do not have the right to steal it.

      They have already destroyed one researcher's work because of their cluelessness. They cut down the diseased branches of a tree because they were, well, diseased. Guess what that researcher was studying? Yup, diseases.

      No they can't share just because some idiots decided they wanted to use the land for their own purposes this minute and damn everyone else.

      They are ruining the educations of many students. At least one researcher and his entire family is dependent entirely on grants and that will be forfeit quite soon. They will lose their livelihood.

      The occupiers need to leave today.

  •  Interesting (3+ / 0-)
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    I see their 2004 master plan included a Little League field on that site, but that is on hold.

    I've watched a game at the current Albany LL field. It is teeny (one field only and that field is not big and is shared with Albany High). I wonder if they really will build one at the Gill Tract. Seems like the kids could use it.

    Anyway ... It seems like UC could share the space if some is unused, which having driven by there I don't think it is all thoroughly used the way much of UC Davis's Ag fields are.

  •  How much money (1+ / 0-)
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    would UC get from selling the land to be paved over? It feels like that's their motivation: need for money. They're certainly violating the terms of the deal where they got the land. (Note that Cal Poly Pomona, which got its current location with the condition that it maintain the already-resident Arabian horses, is still doing so.)

    (Is it time for the pitchforks and torches yet?)

    by PJEvans on Sun May 06, 2012 at 06:58:17 AM PDT

  •  Morans. (0+ / 0-)
    At one point, Mogulof said, the squatters pruned some fruit trees on the property and explained to the dean of resources that they had to do it because the trees were diseased. Turns out the pruned branches were part of a research project on how diseases affect fruit trees, he said
    Idiots.
    http://www.sfgate.com/...

    “I apologise ...for not making myself clear. I should have said that this new age drivel is undermining the very fabric of our civilisation --@ProfBrianCox

    by mem from somerville on Sun May 06, 2012 at 07:12:14 PM PDT

  •  A better link to local news is (0+ / 0-)

    here
    This is todays's article. They begin Saturday, the 22nd and you can read everybody's comments including the "farmers" and the researchers.

    Several have been deleted because they were getting rude and personal.

    What you will find is that although a few Albanians did join in, most Albanians want them to go.

    Many polls were taken with different wording to accommodate different points of view.

    Check it out for yourself.

    c

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