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Indiana Republican Senate nominee Richard Mourdock wants you to know he believes the rescue plan that saved the auto industry "was a serious mistake."

Mourdock says he "was not wrong" to oppose emergency loans in 2009 to prevent the collapse of the auto industry. Mourdock says that if the auto companies had been forced to declare bankruptcy without first getting bailout funds to stabilize them, he believes "in his heart and soul" that they still would have recovered.

Whatever Mourdock believes would have happened if he'd gotten his way, the one thing that we know for sure is that thanks to the very same rescue plan that Mourdock calls "a serious mistake," auto manufacturers are doing well.

When President Obama took office in January 2009, there were 77,400 Indianans working in the automotive manufacturing sector—one in 38 jobs in the state. Today, there are 99,700—one in 30 jobs. And those are just the jobs directly in the automative manufacturing sector, they don't include the other businesses that are supported by those workers, they don't include dealerships, and they don't include auto service. And they certainly aren't the result of "a serious mistake."

Originally posted to The Jed Report on Wed May 09, 2012 at 10:35 AM PDT.

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  •  You'd hope that would turn into nearly (15+ / 0-)

    a hundred thousand votes for Obama and the Democrats in general

    Today, there are 99,700—one in 30 jobs. And those are just the jobs directly in the automative manufacturing sector.
    But "What's the Matter with Kansas?" seems to have local editions published in many states.

    All my sig lines are hand-crafted by demented elves living in my skull.

    by ontheleftcoast on Wed May 09, 2012 at 10:38:49 AM PDT

  •  it was a "serious mistake" (6+ / 0-)

    because it didn't bow to rightwing ideology, but unprecedented and out of the box solutions were needed for the unprecedented crisis.
    However, if Republicans were truly interested in a capitalist economy that wasn't bailed out by the government, they'd support Dodd-Frank and other legislation to prevent another bailout.

    "Tax cuts for the 1% create jobs." -- Republicans, HAHAHA - in China

    by MartyM on Wed May 09, 2012 at 10:42:40 AM PDT

  •  This pits Mourdock against Romney... (5+ / 0-)

    Since we all know the bailout was Romney's idea and Obama just stole it.

    But I think Mourdock's stance is an interesting one: Support a president whose foreign and domestic policies are working in practice, or be guinea pigs for policies that have only worked in theory and were last seriously tested during the French Revolution and the run up to the Great Depression.

  •  If you listen closely Mitt Romney says the same (3+ / 0-)
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    US Blues, Jed Lewison, Laconic Lib

    ....even though he's the one who saved the auto industry. And cured cancer, of course.

  •  I hope the idiot realizes that (7+ / 0-)

    At least a dozen or so major supplier plants for GM that operate IN Indiana were able to stay open because orders kept coming in for plastic molding, stamped materials, etc...

    --Enlighten the people, generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like spirits at the dawn of day. - Thomas Jefferson--

    by idbecrazyif on Wed May 09, 2012 at 10:52:00 AM PDT

    •  Subaru's are built in Indiana (3+ / 0-)
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      JML9999, Sue B, Laconic Lib

      There are more positive local impacts from the auto industry than this bright boy realizes.

      "Political ends as sad remains will die." - YES 'And You and I' ; -8.88, -9.54

      by US Blues on Wed May 09, 2012 at 11:10:47 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Indiana was on the fast track before the economy (4+ / 0-)

        exploded and cratered to be among the top tier Automotive states in the US. As it stands Indiana is still ranked 10th I think in the Automotive industry.

        Had we gotten the Volkswagon plant that got building in TN it most likely would have put us near the top.

        Indiana also has one of the largest second tier supportive manufacturing for the automotive industry. From things like tool and die shops that create tools for parts creation so tech centers that operate and or service the machine tools for the assembly lines.

        --Enlighten the people, generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like spirits at the dawn of day. - Thomas Jefferson--

        by idbecrazyif on Wed May 09, 2012 at 11:18:24 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  I'm pretty sure he doesn't realize that... (6+ / 0-)

      and even if he did, I fear it wouldn't matter, because it's not what works, what saves jobs, it's about the ideological purity.  If people suffer because we have small to no government, it doesn't matter to these people.  

  •  romney's discussion (0+ / 0-)

    of the bailout seems to have neutered another one of the RW favorite talking points.  First they nominate the father of "Obamacare" now he is saying he fully supports the auto bailout.  Even if we ignore the ludacris claim that he always supported it, we get out of it that he is fully supportive of the - socialist, kenyan anti-colonialist, government takeover and labor union handout, government motors bailout.  Next on the list he will announce his support for TARP and Keynsian economics.  Can the rest of the gop continue to harp on this when their presidential nominee is arguing the opposite?

  •  well, since it's been thoroughly debunked that (0+ / 0-)

    `it was Mitt Romney's idea/plan, from here to every which way, he's safe from being associated with the heinous mistake.

    "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

    by eXtina on Wed May 09, 2012 at 10:54:48 AM PDT

  •  What he means (17+ / 0-)

    is it was a serious mistake to not use the Bush/Wall Street recession as an excuse to destroy the UAW, throw out the labor agreements, steal the pension funds, and take away retiree medical care.

    If those things had been done, he'd be fine with the rescue.

    "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

    by happy camper on Wed May 09, 2012 at 11:04:49 AM PDT

  •  Smart Boy (6+ / 0-)

    He needs more air time, he suffers from Foot-In-Mouth-Disease. Just give him enough rope and he'll hang himself.

    "Political ends as sad remains will die." - YES 'And You and I' ; -8.88, -9.54

    by US Blues on Wed May 09, 2012 at 11:08:34 AM PDT

  •  This guys NAME even screams "Murdoch" (3+ / 0-)
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    ontheleftcoast, singe, Krush

    Rupert Murdoch...  

    It's... if I was watching an episode of Scooby Doo, that would be enough evidence to declare That Mourdock is actually a "Old Man Smithers Who Runs the Haunted Amusement Park!"


    I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

    by detroitmechworks on Wed May 09, 2012 at 11:08:48 AM PDT

  •  Well I guess this guy doesn't have a Handler (6+ / 0-)


    Let him babble

    The Ads write themselves.......

    Response: If you "got it" you wouldn't be a republican

    by JML9999 on Wed May 09, 2012 at 11:10:14 AM PDT

    •  This guy is scarey and very authoritarian (1+ / 0-)
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      I can't imagine sane/independent types are
      going to be attracted to his rhetoric.

      I hope the democrat has some money and
      uses this guy's words against him and presents
      himself as the reasonable person in the room.

      Today's problems are yesterday's solutions. Don Beck

      by Sherri in TX on Wed May 09, 2012 at 12:05:04 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Did he tell Romney? (0+ / 0-)

    Considering it was all Romney's idea to begin with, I am sure he would like to know it was a mistake.

    "It looks like how music sounds." --My four year old nephew upon looking through a kaleidoscope for the first time

    by Mote Dai on Wed May 09, 2012 at 11:10:59 AM PDT

  •  Mourdock is way more honest than Romney (1+ / 0-)
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    Mourdock at least isn't claiming that his recipe was followed.  

    Romney '12: The Power of Crass Commands You!

    by Rich in PA on Wed May 09, 2012 at 11:12:15 AM PDT

  •  facts can sink the rightists.go with the facts.n/t (0+ / 0-)
  •  I firmly ... (0+ / 0-)

    ... believe in my heart and soul that, if Teabagger Dick would stop coloring his hair and learn to wiggle his ears, he could fly around in circles over that ignorant shithole of a state without benefit of an aircraft.

  •  The campaign ad possibilities... (0+ / 0-)

    ...are making me drool.

    Oooooh man, the possibilities...

    I hope to the sky the In. Dems are well-organized for this campaign.

    "The most potent weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed." ~ Steven Biko

    by Marjmar on Wed May 09, 2012 at 11:15:05 AM PDT

  •  Hmmm... His heart and sould is telling him... (4+ / 0-)
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    Sue B, OnlyWords, jfromga, Laconic Lib

    Your Honor, I just know that the defendant is guilty, though I can't place him at the scene of the crime, there is no forensic evidence and he has no motive.

    Government by rigid ideology. About as effective as it is everywhere else in life.

    "You can die for Freedom, you just can't exercise it"

    by shmuelman on Wed May 09, 2012 at 11:15:26 AM PDT

  •  So frickin' wrong, and damn proud of it. (5+ / 0-)

    This guy is an idiot. A dogmatic teabagger who would gladly watch your house burn to the ground to 'teach you a lesson' about fire safety.

  •  Obama did it (3+ / 0-)
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    Sue B, jfromga, Laconic Lib

    So its bad. End of story. Obama cured cancer? Thats bad. He shouldn't have done it.

  •  Sure dude, keep saying this. (3+ / 0-)
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    OnlyWords, jfromga, Laconic Lib

    This guy is basically saying that the bailout was a huge risk.  Sure, and so was the Bin Laden raid.

    So it wasn't just a no-brainer that any president could have done by saying "meh" while sunning at Camp David.  It was a tough decision that had to be done right and that could have put the president's job on the line.  And it was a decision that half of the candidates would not have made.  

    Let's keep emphasizing that point, and thank you to the opposition for repeating it.

    Linking to a news article is journalism in the same sense that putting a Big Mac on a paper plate is cooking.

    by Caj on Wed May 09, 2012 at 11:21:00 AM PDT

  •  With thinking like this... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...and the thinking of the man/weasel at the top of the ticket (the "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt" man), I'm wondering if all the talk about Indiana being beet red this election cycle is grotesquely premature. I suspect that the continued reverberation of that radically out-of-touch position could allow the Democrats to do what many may still think is impossible-- go Democrat in a presidential election for the second straight such cycle and then Democrat in the U.S. Senate race as well.

    "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." --Gandhi

    by alaprst on Wed May 09, 2012 at 11:21:18 AM PDT

  •  He has a friend in Buckingham Palace (0+ / 0-)

    Today the Queen of England opened parliament in full regalia wearing a gold and bejeweled crown, holding a gold and bejeweled sceptre and sitting on a gilded throne with a prepared statement declaring that England's number one priority is to stabilize the economy by cutting spending and reducing the deficit.

    The nerve of some people. At least her excuse is that she doesn't have to give a damn about the economy because she's been set for life since birth and it's all just empty words for her. What's this guy's excuse? Being too stupid for words?

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Wed May 09, 2012 at 11:21:23 AM PDT

    •  she doesn't write her speech (1+ / 0-)
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      and who knows how much she chokes on bits.....

      I am just sorry that the plan to move on gay marriage was dropped, as the Conservative heartland was scared by the losses in the local elections.  They are not conservative enough for the voters, that is why they lost!!! (a common right wing insanity, it seems)

      •  Yeah but someone wrote it (0+ / 0-)

        who has a vested interest in austerity despite there being ZERO evidence that it works, ever has or ever will. Why she's allowed to weigh in on anything that doesn't have anything to do with corgies or fox hunts is beyond me.

        For all our flaws, at least we got rid of the anachronism that is a monarchy.

        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

        by kovie on Wed May 09, 2012 at 11:42:39 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  the government write it, always (0+ / 0-)

          so George Osborne and his pals will have done this - supported by Cameron.  Alas.

          and she doesn't hunt any more - 'tis illegal, ok?

          and when you have done away with the dangerous anacronism that is the Right to Bear Arms, then talk to me about getting rid of monarchies.  

          The most contented nations are often monarchies, you did know that?

          •  Tu Quoque is a poor form of argumentation (0+ / 0-)

            I know that you Brits are overly sensitive about your quaint little institution, and it's mostly harmless at this point. But I don't see how you can look yourselves in the eyes and justify it. The British economy is suffering and yet she and hers continue to live on the government dole for very little in return.

            As for our little anachronism, I happen to believe that people do have a right to bear arms (and that the 2nd amendment is therefore unnecessary), only not unconditionally. We still have a wilderness with abundant wildlife that actually benefits from being culled, you know. I don't hunt, myself, or own firearms, but I don't have a problem with those who do, responsibly.

            As for AK-47s, yeah, they should be banned or at least rendered useable.

            "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

            by kovie on Wed May 09, 2012 at 01:27:29 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

    •  Did (0+ / 0-)

      that really happen?


      Wait, it's the same Queen who kept trying for public money to heat her palaces.

      •  Just saw it on MSNBC (2+ / 0-)
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        OleHippieChick, Crazy like a fox

        This issue has become the modern version of flat earthism for the ruling class and their bootlicking courtesans. They appear to believe that saying it repeatedly will make it so. Or, at least, making the public believe that it's so.

        But it ain't so, and anyone who disagrees is a liar or fool.

        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

        by kovie on Wed May 09, 2012 at 11:57:32 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  F*$%ing Chuck Todd. (2+ / 0-)
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    jfromga, OleHippieChick

    "Right, right."

    Yeah, Chuck. Way to utterly fail at your chosen profession.

    Our Fair City...a campy post-apocalyptic science fiction radio epic!

    by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Wed May 09, 2012 at 11:22:27 AM PDT

  •  That was hardly the most shocking thing he said (6+ / 0-)

    Honestly did you hear what he said about bipartisanship?  Something along the lines of 'bipartisanship should consist of Democrats coming to the table of Republican ideas'.

    ie, bipartisanship consists of Democrats completely kowtowing to Republicans and wholly endorsing GOP ideas.

    I don't know how anyone can listen to that and see the GOP as a party of ideas instead of a opposition party dedicated to aligning themselves against the party in power.

    •  " Bipartisanship (0+ / 0-)

      RICHARD MOURDOCK: Well, what I've said is that I certainly think bipartisanship ought to consist of Democrats coming to the Republican point of view. [...] Bipartisanship means they have to come our way [...]

      In addition, he says he liked to " inflict" his ideas whenver he gets in front of a mic or audience.

  •  FYI (2+ / 0-)
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    OnlyWords, OleHippieChick

    Autonotive manufacturing declined 25,000 jobs between 2008 and 2009 (as total employment in the industry was 102,000 in 2008). So they have gotten back 80%. Link to facts.

    Then they came for the trade unionists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

    by Ex Con on Wed May 09, 2012 at 11:25:29 AM PDT

  •  The Big Differences Between Fed and Private Auto (1+ / 0-)
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    bankruptcy and re-capitalization.

    Ignoring the billions the Bush Administration gave the industry, the Federal assistance came in the form of an equity investment and a very large income tax break for GM worth about $15 Billion.

    If the private sector provided the capital to restructure and GM still got the income tax break, the big differences would have been:

    1 - Funds due UAW for retirement and retirees healthcare would have been far, far less.  Benefits would have been much more severely cut.
    2 - UAW contract gets re-negotiated with lower pay, fewer work rules, reduced pensions, etc.
    3 - Bondholder's secured debt would have resulting in bondholders having a much larger ownership in GM.  The Federal rescue that occurred was highly unusual in how it treated secured creditors (i.e., those who were contractually in the position to be paid first).  Democrats generally don't fully appreciate the outrage Republican investors have over this ignoring of investor rights.
    4 - Introduction of Volt delayed or canceled.
    5 - More dealerships cancelled.
    6 - UAW and Unions get heavily saddled with "unions caused the GM bankruptcy"

    The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

    by nextstep on Wed May 09, 2012 at 11:28:32 AM PDT

    •  IOW, according to Republicans, (2+ / 0-)
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      nextstep, TexasTom

      it would have been a win-win-win-win-win-win scenario.

      "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

      by bryduck on Wed May 09, 2012 at 11:30:05 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  The problem is... (0+ / 0-)

      ...that in 2009, this just wouldn't have happened:

      If the private sector provided the capital to restructure and GM still got the income tax break
      Under normal circumstamces. the private sector would have provided the capital to restructure GM (although probably not Chrysler)...but early 2009 wasn't normal.  Credit markets were frozen and GM would have just run out of cash and shut down.

      The best case scenario is that the shutdown would have been temporary (albeit prolonged), and that some portion of GM might eventually have come back to life.  But if that had happened, the lengthy shutdown would have been crippling.  And far more likely is that the remains of GM would just have been liquidated.

      Political Compass: -6.75, -3.08

      by TexasTom on Wed May 09, 2012 at 01:00:08 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Ok People, the time for cockiness is over.... (6+ / 0-)

    The Democrats have been given a major gift in ending Senator Lugar's tenure in the Senate.

    Joe Donnelly would have never stood a chance against Dick Lugar.

    Joe Donnelly is just as important as Elizabeth Warren.

    The big picture is a filibuster proof Senate to put Mitch McConnell out of business.

    We want Richard Mourdock to keep right on talking...

  •  It must be difficult to live 24/7 in an alternate (2+ / 0-)
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    OleHippieChick, Radiogabs

    universe where you deny the job in the automotive industry you've retained is due to Democrats in Congress and Obama in the White House.  How much does a Republican in this situation have to lie internally to make their continued votes for Republicans make any sense whatsoever?  I know about them all drinking Kool-Aid and listening to Fake News and Druggie Rush day and night, but when they go to the jobs that were being flushed down the drain until the Obama Administration put a financial stopper in their sink, how can they POSSIBLY believe that Republicans are on their side?

    No wonder they're so angry all the time.  It's hard to lie to yourself day and night.  Must give 'em all upset stomachs and headaches and then they blame THAT on Democrats and Obama.  Wild.

    GOTV or we're all toast, y'all.  These robotic Republicans will be voting come November, believing that they've got to get rid of the very people who saved their freakin' jobs.

    Best. President. Ever.

    by Little Lulu on Wed May 09, 2012 at 11:31:28 AM PDT

  •  what that man believes in his heart (1+ / 0-)
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    and soul is pretty frightening.    I hope he loses to a blue dog.   He is too much like the locals around here.   Even blue dogs are better than right wing bat shit crazy true believers.  Depending on people to always do the wrong thing is no way to run a government.  Sometimes doing the right thing is in fact better.

  •  I Hope One Of The Presidential Debates Is Held In (0+ / 0-)

    Indiana, especially if the debate's focus is jobs and the economy.

    This way, Obama gets to kill two bird(brains) with one stone...

    I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of the Republican Party.

    by OnlyWords on Wed May 09, 2012 at 11:32:26 AM PDT

  •  This statement should be political suicide, but (0+ / 0-)

    lots of newly hired people who would be eating dirt if this guy got his way will eagerly vote for him. So will their neighbors and cousins.

    I wonder how many of them will know that he said what he said or what it was (bold government action) that made it possible for them to be employed again?

    We have only just begun and none too soon.

    by global citizen on Wed May 09, 2012 at 11:37:06 AM PDT

  •  this guy won the primary? (1+ / 0-)
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    I guess voters didn't learn from the O'Donnell and Sharron Angle mess

    "The only person sure of himself is the man who wishes to leave things as they are, and he dreams of an impossibility" -George M. Wrong.

    by statsone on Wed May 09, 2012 at 11:38:42 AM PDT

  •  Well, also believes Medicare unconstitutional. (0+ / 0-)

    What a backward thinking idiot this guy is. Indiana must be in the dark ages.

    "extreme concentration of income is incompatible with real democracy.... the truth is that the whole nature of our society is at stake." Paul Krugman

    by Gorette on Wed May 09, 2012 at 11:47:03 AM PDT

  •  In presidential races ... (0+ / 0-)

    you are voting for a party, not just for an individual. If you voted for George W. Bush you voted to bring back Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, etc. If you voted for Barack Obama in 2008 you voted for some people from the Clinton administration.
    This may seem over-obvious to many of you people. Don't assume it is obvious to independents you talk to.

    Censorship is rogue government.

    by scott5js on Wed May 09, 2012 at 11:47:11 AM PDT

  •  Strange position to take in a Great Lakes state. (1+ / 0-)
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    All of the states in the lower midwest are heavily driven by the auto industry.  You'd think he'd at least split the baby so as to not go to war with the industry and its workers.

    "The first drawback of anger is that it destroys your inner peace; the second is that it distorts your view of reality. If you come to understand that anger is really unhelpful, you can begin to distance yourself from anger." - The Dalai Lama

    by auron renouille on Wed May 09, 2012 at 11:51:40 AM PDT

  •  Hey (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    what's one more treasonous corporate shill in the U.S. Senate?

  •  Running-dog T-bag lackey. (0+ / 0-)


    "The Republicans are continuing to destroy jobs and blaming Obama for not creating jobs fast enough to replace the jobs they destroyed. " ~TomP

    by OleHippieChick on Wed May 09, 2012 at 11:55:11 AM PDT

  •  In you heart and soul doesn't make it more true! (2+ / 0-)
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    OleHippieChick, Satya1

    What is it with conservatives believing that how strongly they believe in something makes it more true. Thats called being self inflicted DILLUSION. Heck, people are put in padded rooms for lesser than that...

  •  Creative accounting (0+ / 0-)

    Auto makers are not "doing well." GM may be showing an operating profit, but that's on its lowest sales numbers ever. It has huge pension funding overhangs that the gov't. is letting slide, while salaried workers are seeing their own defined benefit pensions being turned into 401Ks that will never pay anything like the pensions they expected. And, of course, GMs "recovery" is built on its having spun off its various poisonous assets into a sinkhole called Motors Liquidation. A rough analogy would be to amputate the gangrenous leg of a diabetic and then to announce that the fellow's recent loss of 30 lbs. proves that he must be sticking to his diet and getting better.

  •  He clearly has no idea how Bankruptcy works (0+ / 0-)

    There are losers under bankruptcy, and I'm sure the GM credit holders are happier now than they would have been if GM went under.

  •  Teabaggers: the gift that keeps on giving: Sharron (0+ / 0-)

    Angle, the Delaware witch, Indiana Morlock, etc. Just think how close the GOP could have been to taking control of the senate but for the teabaggers.

  •  Did I just hear the sound of Indiana voting D (1+ / 0-)
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    for Senator this Fall?

    According to some 2008 data I found, Indiana holds the number 3 spot for number of employees in automotive industry.

    I'm not liberal. I'm actually just anti-evil, OK? - Elon James White

    by Satya1 on Wed May 09, 2012 at 12:47:19 PM PDT

  •  Wow (0+ / 0-)

    Deja Vu

    It's Sharrrron Angle, Part Deux.

    ... the watchword of true patriotism: "Our country - when right to be kept right; when wrong to be put right." - Carl Schurz; Oct. 17, 1899

    by NevDem on Wed May 09, 2012 at 01:18:20 PM PDT

  •  All Latter Day GOPers are lunatics (0+ / 0-)

    For example Romney thinks he saved the auto industry and killed bin Laden on his own with the same intensity he believed all the superstitions he preached as a bishop of the other Latter Day mob.  Meanwhile other GOPers think their anachronistic sky deity must Constitutionally dictate government policies.  In a sane, educated country. however,  people like these Republicans would be under doctor's care and not on the ballot.

  •  after watching that interview, i SOOOOO (0+ / 0-)

    wanted the next question to be "so, then, you support the right of every to marry the person they choose because we are all "equal", as well, right?"

    daydreaming of a better future here.... sigh.....

  •  Shut up, Mourdock! Shut up! n/t (0+ / 0-)
  •  Did Jesus tell him so in a dream? (0+ / 0-)
  •  Dick Mourdick...with a name like this (0+ / 0-)

    you know someone will get screwed!!!

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