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  •  Thank you Horace, so glad my state does not (5+ / 0-)

    have one of those horrid laws. I will call
    tomorrow to help make sure it stays that way.

    "The devil laughs when the poor give to the rich," Benvenuto Cellini, goldsmith, sculptor 1500-1571

    by bumbi on Sat May 12, 2012 at 07:10:32 PM PDT

  •  the brady campaign...as you know has also been (4+ / 0-)

    addressing this issue for a while. http://bradycampaign.org.

    And, I saw this clip of Ms Martin.  As I watched, I thought (and I mean this in a positive way), the Martins are everyday people.  They're not celebrities, rock stars, rich...but the kind of people we would like as neighbors, friends, co-workers.

    And they have comported themselves with such grace, dignity and decency.  

    As terrible as this was, and it was, kind of gives you hope for the people in this country...

  •  Stand your ground the rule in California (3+ / 0-)

    I wrote a diary about this a few weeks ago:

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    Unknown to nearly all of us California has had a judicially imposed SYG set of court rulings going back well over 100 years. There are differences with the Florida law, but is some ways its even scarier.

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Sat May 12, 2012 at 08:43:54 PM PDT

  •  Too bad she's absolutely wrong (6+ / 0-)

    in everything she thinks she knows about the subject. While I grieve for her loss it doesn't excuse ignorance, nor bad policy making.

    1. There is NO SUCH THING as a 'shoot first law'. There are, however, stand your ground laws and castle doctrine.

    2. Stand your ground had nothing to do with this event.

    3. Stand your ground laws generally do not expand force requirements.

    4. Stand your ground laws provide important protections for law abiding citizens.

    5. There were not ~30,000 deaths to gun 'violence', merely from guns. Unless you try and shoehorn suicide in as a violent act, which I find wholly ridiculous. There were between 9500 and 12,000 deaths from firearm 'violence' (ie homicide by firearm), depending on the year and which stats you prefer.

    •  Oh, and on a related note (3+ / 1-)
      Recommended by:
      Vinnie Vegas, johnny wurster, happy camper
      Hidden by:
      tikkun

      be assured that while the ignorant bandwagoners are calling to complain about something that doesn't exist, the rest of us are calling to thank government for finally recognizing our rights and giving us back our freedoms.

      •  Is freedom, like happiness, a (4+ / 0-)

        warm gun? You think you're free because you have a gun, that it protects your freedom?

        Personally, I'd rather not get shot by some Zimmerman who'll later say he felt threatened and that justified it.

        "Fight the real enemy." -Sinead O'connor

        by mookins on Sun May 13, 2012 at 02:00:59 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  And how often does that happen? (4+ / 0-)

          We have 283 million firearms in the US in civilian hands.

          We have MILLIONS of firearm owners.

          We have over 108k defensive gun uses a year.

          We have less than 100k firearm related injuries and deaths a year.

          Factor in hunting, the number of firearms, firearm owners, competitive shooting, collecting, plinking, and you notice a couple things.

          This number is only the firearm related homicides, of course. What are the numbers for firearm related injuries? I could pick 2009 as the year for injuries, but in keeping with 2007 for homicides above, I picked 2007 again. These numbers are from the CDC and are 18-65. There were 60,651 nonfatal firearm injuries in 2007, which I'll round up to 61,000. Let's add this and the firearm related homicides together and then find out what % of the US adult population between 18 and 65 is affected.

          61,000 nonfatal firearm related injuries + 12,000 firearm related homicides = 73,000 firearm related injuries and homicides. Let's go back up to the 208,800,00 and find the percentage. 61,000/208,800,000 = 0.000292145594 or, in percentage terms, 0.0292145594% and just to make that clear, that's roughly 3 hundredths of 1%.

          We are a populous country and our firearms are numerous (see above numbers.) Yes, we have a higher firearm related death rate (even if you don't include suicides) than most other industrial countries (except, ya know, like Russia or Brazil.) We also have more firearms per capita than all other countries out there (again, see above numbers.) Yet when compared to the number of firearm owners and the population of the United States, firearm related injuries and homicides are a small amount.  link

          Republicans cause more damage than guns ever will. Share Our Wealth

          by KVoimakas on Sun May 13, 2012 at 05:33:22 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  SYG and castle doctrine (3+ / 0-)

          laws have nothing to do with guns, they address self defense.

          "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

          by happy camper on Sun May 13, 2012 at 08:10:27 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  That's nice for you (0+ / 0-)

          It's good to want things. However wanting to not be injured or killed in a criminal act is useless. The ONLY way to avoid being a victim is to train and prepare to defend yourself, since you're the only person other than the criminal present in most crimes. Merely wishing for it, and then going about your business is an invitation to failure.

          My firearm doesn't do anything, including protecting me. I protect me, using a firearm as one of my tools. It is that freedom (to act in my own defense) that I speak of.

          Nothing about your desire to not be shot applies here. It's a truism...basically no one wants to get shot. However nothing in the original piece has anything to do with that. It's about an ignorant, emotional outcry rather than rational policy making.

          •  Okay, educate me- (0+ / 0-)

            I think the stand-your-ground laws justify the increased use of deadly force in self-defense, by adding the mere perception of a threat to the criteria.

            So some Big Man with a gun- and that's guys like Zimmerman, not you, don't get me wrong- feels he's got the law on his side.

            And not to put too fine a point on it, my wish isn't that I not get shot, but that youths like Trayvon don't.

            "Fight the real enemy." -Sinead O'connor

            by mookins on Sun May 13, 2012 at 11:27:07 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Here's the fundamental crux: (3+ / 0-)

              NOTHING about the use of force in defense changes with the implementation of most stand your ground laws. The exact same requirements apply now as did before the law was passed. The ONLY differences are codification of the non-existence of 'duty to retreat' which was often attempted by prosecutors, even though there was usually no statutory foundation, and a protection against criminal or civil actions in justified cases of self-defense (whereas before the victim was generally arrested and put through hell before being exonerated, and even then sometimes faced outrageous civil penalties for refusing to be the victim of calloused criminal attacks).

              The ONLY requirement to use lethal force has always been 'reasonable belief by a reasonable person that there would be imminent harm (or sometimes just a felony) committed without the use of said force'. That's it. It's the law in all 50 states and over much of the world and has been since the Magna Carta (some would argue since Roman and possibly Babylonian times).

              Here's the Florida statute for instance:

              776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
              (1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony
              ; or
              (2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.

              So there's the statute, clear as day. Exactly the same as it's always been, except the italicized part which is merely a protection against vengeful prosecution.

              Most of the other aspects of the law are intrinsically tied to 'castle doctrine' not stand your ground, and exist only in 776.013 which applies ONLY in the home, vehicle, or other privately held property where the victim holds jurisdiction. If you're not on or in your own property (or property over which you are the designated guardian) then you ONLY get the protections of 776.012 above.

      •  Uprated Because (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        happy camper

        Being able to discuss legal issues in a collegial manner, no matter how much you disagree with the poster, is important to furthering the values of the site.

    •  Crockpot Yogurt (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Horace Boothroyd III, mookins

      1/2 gallon of organic milk
      1 container of organic probiotic yogurt

      place milk in a crockpot and heat for about 3 hours on medium heat
      with the lid on

      at an hour and a half, stir in about 1 cup of non fat dry milk till the milk is dissolved

      at 3 hours turn off the heat and remove the lid

      allow the milk to cool until it is blood temp (feels nether hot nor cool to your finger)

      when the milk is blood temp, stir the yogurt in well.

      wrap the stoneware crockpot liner in a heavy towel and place the it in the oven (don't turn the oven on!) If you can turn on the oven light without turning on the oven, do so.

      remove and refrigerate when the milk has yoged

      Newt 2012. Sociopath, adulterer, hypocrite, Republican.

      by tikkun on Sat May 12, 2012 at 09:31:03 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Your HR abuse (0+ / 0-)

        is duly noted.

        "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

        by happy camper on Sun May 13, 2012 at 05:56:03 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Ad hominem (0+ / 0-)

        ad ho·mi·nem /ˈad ˈhämənəm /

        Adverb:   

        1:  (of an argument or reaction) Arising from or appealing to the emotions and not reason or logic.

        2:  Attacking an opponent's motives or character rather than the policy or position they maintain.

        In other words, having been shown to be among the fully ignorant on the topic you choose instead what you falsely assume to be a clever diversion from your public exposure by deriding the bearer of simple truth and reason.

        Your attitude is pitiable and accomplishes nothing good, while fueling the fires of discord and extremism. In short, you ware what is wrong with our modern nation.

    •  Suicide by firearm is a violent act. (4+ / 0-)

      And too often accompanies homicide.

      •  Sorry, I disagree (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        KVoimakas

        In homicide/suicide events obviously the homicide portion is violence. I just can't include suicide in that however. To me violence requires the actor and victim to be two different people/things. I realize many others include suicide as a type of violence, I just can't make a logically defensible argument for it.

        It was a minor point anyway, and one we can simply agree to disagree over.

  •  Related: Send a Mother's Day card to Trayvon's Mom (4+ / 0-)

    (also posted in other comments recently)

    Please sign to honor Trayvon and his Mom.

    Received via email:

    This Sunday, Sybrina Fulton will wake up to her first Mother's Day without her son, Trayvon Martin.

    And as devastating as the past few months have been, this day will be especially hard. No mom should have to bear that burden on Mother's Day.

    I nearly lost my own daughter, Emily, when she was shot at the Virginia Tech Massacre five years ago. And I've met far too many mothers like Sybrina whose children never made it home. Every day, 34 sons and daughters are lost to senseless acts of gun violence.

    We may not be able to bring their children back, but we can support them. That's why I'm helping gather signatures for a special Mothers' Day card for Trayvon's mom, and every mother mourning a child killed by gun violence this year.

    Please sign a special Mothers' Day card for Trayvon Martin's mom -- and we'll deliver it to her on Sunday with your name.

    [ http://www.fixgunchecks.org/.... ]

    Sign a Special Mother's Day Card to Trayvon Martin's Mom

    [ http://www.fixgunchecks.org/.... ]

    By adding your name next to mothers like me, and people from all across America, we can show Sybrina Fulton that we're here for her and for all mourning mothers -- that we care deeply and share in their loss.

    Together, we'll send a heartfelt message that we'll continue doing everything in our power to spare other mothers and families the pain and sorrow they've had to endure.

    As fellow mothers, as fathers, as sisters and brothers, we are all too aware of the terrible toll that gun violence takes on our families. And this Mothers' Day, we can join together in a powerful show of solidarity.

    Add your name to our special Mother's Day card.

    [ http://www.fixgunchecks.org/.... ]

    Thank you for being a part of this special moment,
    Lori Haas
    Mother of a Virginia Tech survivor

    •  Mother of a Virginia Tech Victim: (3+ / 0-)
          "On April 16, 2007, my child, Leslie Sherman, was killed by
                  Seung-Hui Cho during the Virginia Tech massacre. Today is
                  the fifth anniversary of her death. Always in my memories,
                  every day I wish that this tragedy was a nightmare and I could
                  wake up to hold my daughter even if it is just one more time.
                  That opportunity might have been possible if someone been
                  able to defend and protect my daughter in her classroom
                  before Cho took 30 precious lives.

                  There is an unfortunate drive for more gun control and the
                  continuation of preventing guns on campus by parents whose
                  children lived or survived during that fatal day. Several family
                  members of those victims have actively voiced their support
                  for increased gun control measures. As result, it has been
                  assumed that they speak for all families of the Virginia Tech
                  victims. I am writing this to make it clear that this is not the
                  case. They do not represent me and my views.

                  Speaking for myself, I would give anything if someone on
                  campus; a professor, one of the trained military or guardsman
                  taking classes or another student could have saved my daughter
                  by shooting Cho before he killed our loved ones. Because
                  professors, staff and students are precluded from protecting
                  themselves on campus, Cho, a student at Virginia Tech himself,
                  was able to simply walk on campus and go on a killing rampage
                  with no worry that anyone would stop him.

                  I ask a simple question: Would the other parents of victims be
                  forever thankful if a professor or student was allowed to carry
                  a firearm and could have stopped Seung-Hui Cho before their
                  loved one was injured or killed? I would be. I also suspect that
                  the tragedy may not have occurred at all if Cho knew that either
                  faculty members or students were permitted to carry their own
                  weapons on campus. Cho took his own life before campus
                  police were able to reach him and put a stop to his killing spree.

                  A sad testament to this anniversary date is the number of similar
                  killings in schools and public places that have taken place
                  afterwards as if nothing has changed to help prevent such
                  needless and heartbreaking events. That is why I fully support
                  the VCDL in their outstanding efforts to help prevent this type
                  of tragedy and loss from occurring in the future.

                  Holly Adams"

      Republicans cause more damage than guns ever will. Share Our Wealth

      by KVoimakas on Sun May 13, 2012 at 05:37:07 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Great work as always Mr. III. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Horace Boothroyd III

    Gotta meet you  - face to face - one day...


    PLEASE Stop Mitt (the Pitts) Romney from stealing the Presidential Election!

    by laserhaas on Mon May 14, 2012 at 08:12:55 AM PDT

  •  Boy Mr. III - you remind me of that old cartoon (0+ / 0-)

    where the guy comes in and finds out that someone beat his score of Defender full arcade version.

    When he says who beat my score

    Guy said - I don't know, kid came in and got change of a dollar.

    It took him 4 try's

    Operator replies and says NO

    he got 5 dimes for the candy machine and 2 quarters

    He said "HA - it took him 2 tries to beat my score"

    Nope, he beat your score with his left hand and your other score on Ms Pacman with his right at the same time.

    NOTE to self

    What is it that allows Mr. III to B  All over the world with ALL those Groups?

    WOW............


    PLEASE Stop Mitt (the Pitts) Romney from stealing the Presidential Election!

    by laserhaas on Mon May 14, 2012 at 10:22:20 PM PDT

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