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A new New York Times/CBS News poll finds, in the wake of President Barack Obama's endorsement of gay marriage ... the same patterns we've seen in polling on the issue for quite some time. The overall proportion of people supporting and opposing marriage equality are consistent with polling prior to the president's announcement, and young people are considerably more supportive of marriage equality than older people, while Democrats and independents are more supportive than Republicans.

The poll, the full details of which will be released Monday night, found that 38 percent of respondents favored legal marriage, 24 percent supported civil unions but not marriage, and around one in three were opposed to any legal recognition. The Times' Dalia Sussman notes the dramatic shift in recent years. For instance, the number supporting legal marriage is "similar to recent surveys, but up significantly from just 2 in 10 who said so in 2004."

And, as always, the polling on this issue augurs well for the future:

Age plays an important role, with younger Americans more apt to support same-sex marriage than older Americans. Political partisanship is a factor as well. A majority of Democrats and about 4 in 10 independents back same-sex marriage, while Republicans are far more likely to say there should be no legal recognition of the relationships, the poll found.
The many states that have taken anti-marriage votes in the last several election cycles have left the younger generations with a lot to undo, but we can look at the shift in public opinion since 2004 and the age divides now and see clearly that it is going to happen eventually, and that "eventually" is a lot shorter than any of us imagined back in 2004. And while equality would come faster if Republicans would let go of their bigotry, as a partisan I can't help but be pleased to see them once again taking such a firm stand on the wrong side of history. Unless the Republican party makes a dramatic shift—one they show few signs of making—this is an issue that will be bad for them for years.

Originally posted to Laura Clawson on Mon May 14, 2012 at 07:01 AM PDT.

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  •  When a Bigot tells you That gays arent born this (5+ / 0-)

    way, tells them Jesus himself agrees that they are born this way and shouldnt be judged or demonised (Matthew 19:11-12). No wonder why RWers prefer the Old Testament to the New Testament mostly because Jesus was progressist if not socialist.

    "Rick Perry talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans." --- James Carville

    by LaurenMonica on Mon May 14, 2012 at 08:14:49 AM PDT

    •  Although Karl Marx Professed (6+ / 0-)

      No religious faith, his writings are informed by the New Testament, especially Christ's social teachings and the Acts of the Apostles.

      Marx's phrase that makes right-wing heads explode ...

      "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."

      ... Has its origins in the Christian Socialist movements of the 19th century, specifically drawing on this passage from the Acts:

      All that believed were together, and had all things in common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

      "I'll believe that corporations are people when I see Rick Perry execute one."

      by bink on Mon May 14, 2012 at 08:20:52 AM PDT

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  •  I Wonder How the GOP Con (4+ / 0-)
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    Would actually work without gays, blacks and women to beat up on. Can the Republican party give up on bigotry and still have a platform that is relevant to their base?

    "I'll believe that corporations are people when I see Rick Perry execute one."

    by bink on Mon May 14, 2012 at 08:15:12 AM PDT

  •  They are on the wrong side of history (5+ / 0-)

    History is moving toward a stronger notion of inclusion, and this issue typifies that move.

  •  One of dozens of reasons I'm a Democrat. (7+ / 0-)

    Green, consumer-oriented, welcoming to minorities, people of color, gay people, supportive of labor:

    the right side of every  fucking thing.

    I was seeing what Adam had seen on the morning of his creation - the miracle, moment by moment, of naked existence. --The Doors of Perception, Aldous Huxley

    by Wildthumb on Mon May 14, 2012 at 08:19:04 AM PDT

  •  Un-doing laws is often harder (3+ / 0-)
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    than passing them in the first place.  Simply getting a majority if not enough when states have gone so far as to amend their state Constitutions.

    While I agree "eventually" is correct when predicting when gay marriage will happen, I don't think you can count on the same trajectory of opinion during the last eight years going forward.  At some point it will plateau.  It will likely take until the boomer generation dies off.

    That is, of course, unless the courts have a say in the matter.  If Romney wins in November, he will probably replace at least 2 of the more liberal-leaning justices with right leaning moderates or even far right justices.  If that is the case, do not look to the courts for a solution for another generation or two.

    •  There is No Way for the Courts to Solve This (2+ / 0-)
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      Jerry J, sethtriggs

      at any foreseeable time. To do that would require a nonwinger majority but as you say, to get that we have to have a culturally progressive supermajority in the senate, and nobody can foresee a way or a time when that could come about.

      Boomers will be not just dead but completely forgotten unless our system of government is fundamentally altered in a number of very basic and radical ways.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Mon May 14, 2012 at 08:33:52 AM PDT

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  •  There's a lot to undo but ... (4+ / 0-)
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    here in Ohio, there's a lot of momentum behind undoing 2004's "Defense of Marriage" amendment. The summary ballot language was approved in early April; the petitions are out there; volunteers are signed up in all 88 counties. We're aiming for the 2013 ballot.

    Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07.

    by anastasia p on Mon May 14, 2012 at 08:23:38 AM PDT

  •  I have to say that I'm pretty proud (3+ / 0-)
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    of the way the Democratic Party and the Democratic establishment punditry have kept their shit together and let doing the right thing stand as doing the right thing for the most part.

    The vast majority of the beltway pants shitting and flipping out was done by the traditional media and RW pundits over the Obama Gay Marriage Freak Out and Fainting Couch Stampede of 2012.

    Thank God.

    For decades, maddening decades, the automatic kneejerk establishment Democratic response to living in a DC where a wanker media and bad faith Movement Conservatism dominates the discourse, memes, and frames has been to act defensively out of fear.

    Run from the guy who takes a risk.
    Panic that bad faith conservatives are demanding apologies and to see you on your knees.
    Agree with the guy bashing you about how you are all so wrong and doing so much harm to x, y, and z if you don't just do the status quo conventional wisdom take on what a Democrat can and cannot do.

    Just like the President did the right thing, the Democratic Party, the majority of it anyway, has kept it's shit together and not let the wingnuts get Democrats to slag the President and each other to try and get bad faith cons who are going to attack them no matter what they do, to show mercy.


    I am from the Elizabeth Warren wing of the Democratic Party

    by LeftHandedMan on Mon May 14, 2012 at 08:24:09 AM PDT

    •  In the last ten years (1+ / 0-)
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      we have gone from it being easy for the media to find Democrats willing to go on camera slagging Howard Dean, when they weren't handwringing about him like he was some crazy from the hills, and liberal bloggers and activists alongside GOP hacks and cable news empty suits to a Democratic US President coming out for gay marriage and everybody standing firm and going forward.

      I'm so proud to be a Democrat through all of this.

      That's the type of thing that gives me hope that we can beat the Movement Conservative Right, Citizen's United or not, wanker media or not.

      I am from the Elizabeth Warren wing of the Democratic Party

      by LeftHandedMan on Mon May 14, 2012 at 08:28:57 AM PDT

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  •  Blacks still got Obama back (1+ / 0-)
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  •  I really think this issue might energize the youth (0+ / 0-)

    And they might turn out in 08 numbers to support the prez. They all have gay friends, and they are much more socially conscious.

    Even my gay republican friends (yes I have some) are proud of the prez.

    While many minority groups are the target for discrimination, few face this hostility without the support and acceptance of their family as do many glbt youth.

    by azrefugee on Mon May 14, 2012 at 08:33:39 AM PDT

  •  It amazes me that anyone could be a Republican (0+ / 0-)

    when one looks at the history of them over the past 50 or so years.

  •  Plus, states with anti-same sex marriage (2+ / 0-)
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    laws on the books are likely to not see a huge turnout among the bigots on this issue. They will feel protected by their laws.

    The Yankee Clipper - 2012

    by kitebro on Mon May 14, 2012 at 08:40:29 AM PDT

  •  Republicans are in a vise on this issue. (2+ / 0-)
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    I'm sure the corporate wing of the party doesn't give a rat's ass about marriage equality.  Most of America's largest corporations already offer some form of domestic partner benefits, and whether or not same-sex couples have the legal right to marry really doesn't affect the corporate bottom line all that much.  So I tend to doubt that most of the Republican Party's wealthiest donors view this as a hill they want to die on.

    The problem is the fundie wing of the party.  The corporate Republicans have achieved electoral success in significant part because they've gotten religious conservatives to buy into their economic agenda.  And for the fundies, marriage equality (like abortion) is a life-or-death issue.  They're not about to stand down on this, no matter the political cost to the party as a whole.  

    The result is that the corporate wing of the GOP has to choose either the rock or the hard place.  Do they abandon opposition to marriage equality and face the possible defection of their fundie allies, or do they hold fast to unprofitable antigay bigotry and risk losing the votes of the younger generation?  Much like the Republicans' hard-line anti-immigration stance, this dilemma has no easy solution.

    "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

    by FogCityJohn on Mon May 14, 2012 at 08:49:07 AM PDT

  •  The poll question I want asked is of those (0+ / 0-)

    who support Civil Unions but not marriage per se.

    If that group had to choose between a politician who supports gay marriage and one who says gays relationships should not be recognized or codified in any way (no marriage, no CU), then who would they support?  Pushed hard, who would they vote for?

    I suspect that the group would overwhelmingly (70-30) vote for the politician who supports gay marriage, but I'd like to see polling numbers on it.

    "The attack on the truth by war begins long before war starts and continues long after a war ends." -Julian Assange

    by Pierro Sraffa on Mon May 14, 2012 at 08:50:48 AM PDT

  •  Haven't other polls... (0+ / 0-)

    that included civil unions as an option shown a MAJORITY of Americans supporting gay marriage?  Given those polls, WTF is up with only 38% in this poll supporting it?

  •  Not only gay marriage, but capitalism (0+ / 0-)

    Younger people (18-29) favor socialism over capitalism. Younger people are very progressive. If you REALLY want to see what a generation gap looks like, go here (Punk, Technology, politics-my blog)

    by greenpunx on Mon May 14, 2012 at 09:24:32 AM PDT

  •  This essay takes everything into account. Except.. (0+ / 0-)

    that the country as a whole isn't getting younger. Older people dominate the electorate. So although the change is encouraging, you need to temper it with demographic reality.

  •  An this will Turn Red States Blue (0+ / 0-)

    in time as Voters have to vote to over turn the Republican Anti-Gay Laws as well as The Republican Anti-Latino Laws,The Anti-Black Laws,The Anti-Woman Laws,Anti-Children Laws,Anti-Youth Laws,Anti-Science Laws,Anti-Islamic Laws,Anti-Voter Laws,Anti-everyone-whose-not-Rich&Powerful Laws and well all the other Your-not-Old-White-Rich&Powerful-so-screw-you Laws.

  •  Boomers (0+ / 0-)

    You know, it's pretty depressing to see supposed open-minded liberals painting my entire generation with the same brush.
    I wish you would stop.  We are not all rabid card-carrying NRA members & bigots, 'k?   I can't help when I was born, and y'all can scale back on the ageism.

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