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Phony Fox Poll designed to energize their base

    Why would any sane person trust Fox News’s political reporting?  Even Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich called Fox out for inappropriate bias. http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/... ; http://www.youtube.com/....  Recently, Fox News issued a poll claiming Obama would trounce Willard Romney.  http://www.foxnews.com/....  All the other polls have Romney  even or slightly ahead.  http://www.dailykos.com/...

    The answer is obvious.  By spreading the false story claiming Obama is winning, Fox intends to energize its ignorant base.   And it is working, as shown by the other polls which have Willard Romney showing momentum and taking a lead in the 2012 Presidential election.

    Fox has repeatedly shown itself biased and dishonest.  Why trust it now?

    Oh, and when  you look  at the money raising totals, don’t forget to add 1-2 BILLION to the RomneyRepublican column.  That’s a conservative estimate of the Fox Propaganda network benefit to their selected darlings in any given calendar year.  Why do you think so many Americans are completely sold on false Republican talking points?  The power of propaganda advertising is strong.   People don’t have the time or inclination to check the facts.   And in 2012, Republicans are out fund-raising the Democrats by a 2:1 margin or better.

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  •  and make us complacent. (5+ / 0-)

    Let's not forget the other half of that equation:

    Fox's poll is designed to energize THEM and de-energize US.

    Don't fall for it.

    GOTV like your life depends on it.

    "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

    by G2geek on Wed May 16, 2012 at 08:27:51 PM PDT

    •  There Don't Exist 13 De-Energized Conservatives. (1+ / 0-)
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      lunachickie

      EVERYTHING is about de-energizing us.

      Especially since they have a partner I'll explain the bloody obvious after election day.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Wed May 16, 2012 at 08:36:04 PM PDT

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  •  I don't think they're that clever (4+ / 0-)

    the horse that's ahead in the race gets the money and the momentum. I don't put it past Fox to lie, in fact I expect it, but not in that way.

    This Rover crossed over.. Willie Nelson

    by Karl Rover on Wed May 16, 2012 at 08:29:01 PM PDT

  •  as a person who has worked... (3+ / 0-)
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    Gooserock, Karl Rover, ultraviolet uk

    in direct marketing in politics good news rallies folks bad news depresses them. When Kerry showed a bump in the polls in 2004 we raised a lot of money with the news.

    As a nation, the U.S. consumes the most hot dogs per capita. So you'd be wise to never underestimate our powers of denial.

    by jbou on Wed May 16, 2012 at 08:32:37 PM PDT

    •  Have You Worked on Their Side? (1+ / 0-)
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      jbou

      I have in nonpolitical contexts. Based on experience I'm skeptical.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Wed May 16, 2012 at 08:37:53 PM PDT

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      •  I worked... (1+ / 0-)
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        ultraviolet uk

        for an agency that only worked with Democrats and liberal non profits. When we hit folks up with bad news it didn't work as well as the good news. Hell, even something as simple as public tv when we went over the new programming and some other positive stuff we got more money then saying we were broke and needed more help. We wrote scripts both ways and tested it out for clients. Positive works.

        As a nation, the U.S. consumes the most hot dogs per capita. So you'd be wise to never underestimate our powers of denial.

        by jbou on Wed May 16, 2012 at 08:45:21 PM PDT

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    •  Up or down? (0+ / 0-)

      Some folk are band wagon fans.  They want to support the winner.

      Other folk are motivated by fear.

      Most are motivated by what they perceive as their own self interest.

      A recurrent Republican theme is the "fight for america."  When they are losing, that group fights harder. We saw it in the last election cycle, when the pubs destroyed pretty much every democratic candidate.  Alan Grayson wrote a nice essay about his experience and that of others in the last election cycle.

      What better way to energize both camps by telling them they are losing but its close?

      I'm pretty clear some groups--such as the NRA for one--is energized by scaremonger tactics.

  •  Fox... (1+ / 0-)
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    ultraviolet uk

    Sure theyre liars but (1) if this got out it would be the end of them, the risk is too high (2) bad polls can work either way - energize or depress. I think they just had an outlier.

    "Patients are not consumers" - Paul Krugman

    by assyrian64 on Wed May 16, 2012 at 08:47:14 PM PDT

    •  An outlier (0+ / 0-)

      or and out-and-out liar? >;)

      "That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State ..."- Vermont Constitution Chapter 1, Article 16

      by kestrel9000 on Thu May 17, 2012 at 02:10:43 AM PDT

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    •  Fox... (0+ / 0-)

      There are multiple instances of Fox and the Republicans getting caught playing games.  

      The Jessica Lynch propaganda piece was a prime example I'd say.  

      Was that the end of the Republican party?  Or the end of anyone in it?  If it was, I never saw it.  Even Don Rumsfeld is being used on Fox to bash Obama.  And the US military basically demanded he resign because he was dishonest/incompetent/had terrible judgment/never took responsibility for his errors.

      Murdoch's been caught using unlawful means to run his businesses, in fairly sordid ways.  Has that meant anything here to the RW base?

      They can play around with the numbers in a news poll.  They little or no fear if they were caught.

      Look what happened to the latest Fox whistleblower.  They're going to destroy him.  

    •  Fox getting caught lying (1+ / 0-)
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      would be the end of them?  It's worth rethinking that statement, I'd say.  I think they'd have been gone a loooong time ago if that were the case.  

      That being said, it is pretty silly to chase our tails around trying to guess what's going on with them and this outlier poll.  

      When the truth is only a matter of opinion, advantage goes to the liars.

      by Sun dog on Thu May 17, 2012 at 06:18:51 AM PDT

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  •  For the life of me (1+ / 0-)
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    Sharon Wraight

    I do not understand why that diary is on the Rec List. WHY does any sane person repeat that shit here?

    So we know what they're saying? Like we can't figure out on our own that they're full of shit?

    It is time to #Occupy Media.

    by lunachickie on Wed May 16, 2012 at 08:54:10 PM PDT

  •  Maybe secretly they want Obama to win (0+ / 0-)

    Yeah, they dislike Willard that much. Besides four more years of Obama is good for business. Who would watch such idiots as O'reilly and Hannity if they couldn't gin up hate?

    •  Branding--Maybe they want Obama to win (0+ / 0-)

      I often thought the people behind the Pubs--Rove, norquist and the monied interests--want Obama to win.  If they control Congress as they mostly do, they can get their policies passed and blame Obama for any failures which occur.   After all, they got Obama to let their "temporary" tax cuts get extended--then blast him for bankrupting the country.

      The pubs did, for example, a good job branding Nancy Pelosi as a devil.   When you talk to a pub here in California, they'll usually tell you how much they hate Pelosi.  But when pressed they can't name a single specific thing she's done.   They've been sold on a propaganda point advanced mainly by Fox news.

      Then at the local levels, they simply link candidate  X to Pelosi.

      The Obama presidency is important.  He at least tries to fight the whacko policies.  But Congress is the more important situation IMO.

  •  Whatever, we should run with it (2+ / 0-)
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    ultraviolet uk, Doctor Locrian

    Whenever there is a negative poll there is plenty negative commentary to go with it.  Such as "why is so and so doing so badly with X constituents?" We should be saying, "look at Fox's poll that says Obama is beating Willard like this and like that, according to Fox's poll, and that means the American people are finally paying attention to this race and they are not going to reward republicans for their horrible tactics." Those comments will be helpful especially for the people who like to side up with who they think will be a winner. If it is a phoney poll we make it backfire. We should be all over the media using these number to shut down arguments and make right-wingers stew.  Besides when they get real mad (energized) they say more stupid and offensive things and lose more independents. Sometimes they start smacking each other around, and booing their own candidate.

  •  After watching the extreme right (0+ / 0-)

    in action for twelve years, wouldn't they be more energized if that poll was in Romney's favor by a huge margin?

    "A cynical, mercenary, demagogic press will produce in time a people as base as itself." - Joseph Pulitzer

    by CFAmick on Thu May 17, 2012 at 08:11:42 AM PDT

  •  Or it could be just an outlier. (0+ / 0-)

    Jeez, people... good air in, bad air out.

    You can call it "class warfare" -- we call it "common sense"

    by kenlac on Thu May 17, 2012 at 08:30:58 AM PDT

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