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The minimum wage increase that has passed the New York State Assembly but is stalled in the Republican-controlled Senate and is not drawing support from Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo would directly benefit 10.1 percent of New York workers. The proposed increase from the federal minimum wage of $7.25 to $8.50 would affect 880,000 workers currently earning less than $8.50 an hour, a new report from the Fiscal Policy Institute finds, and another 200,000 workers making just over $8.50 might benefit from a spillover effect.

A majority of the workers who would get a raise live in New York City and the surrounding area—352,000 in New York City, 126,500 on Long Island, and another 72,500 in suburban counties. But several upstate counties would actually see a disproportionate number of workers benefit, among them Broome County and Oneida County, where 12.6 and 12.5 percent of workers would get raises, respectively, and Erie County where the figure is 11.4 percent. That's another 71,400 workers getting a better standard of living in return for their work.

Republican opponents of raising the minimum wage, trying to claim that their opposition is in the best interests of low-wage workers, have argued that because workers earning more money would pay more taxes, earning as much as $1.25 more per hour would actually hurt them financially. But an issue brief from the Fiscal Policy Institute and the National Employment Law Project points out that, for a "4-person family with two minimum wage earners, take-home pay would rise by nearly $2,700. That’s a substantial increase for a family with gross earnings of a little over $30,000."

A minimum wage increase to $8.50 wouldn't affect only people earning the minimum wage, of course; people currently earning $8.00 an hour would obviously see a smaller bump in their paychecks. But how many of the 880,000 people who stand to get raises if this passed do you think would say, "I'd be paying taxes on the extra money I was earning, so no thanks"? For that matter, are the Republicans trying to keep the minimum wage at $7.25 arguing that they themselves would be better off at $7.25 an hour? Not even a little bit.

Originally posted to Daily Kos Labor on Fri May 25, 2012 at 08:41 AM PDT.

Also republished by ClassWarfare Newsletter: WallStreet VS Working Class Global Occupy movement, In Support of Labor and Unions, and Daily Kos.

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  •  Governor Cuomo Should Be Ashamed Of (3+ / 0-)
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    majcmb1, Mannie, David Kaib

    himself.  He seems to be someone who is on the side of big business v workers.  I should not be surprised by the way he treats unions.

    "Don't Let Them Catch You With Your Eyes Closed"

    by rssrai on Fri May 25, 2012 at 08:57:48 AM PDT

  •  I didn't realize that people in NYC could live (3+ / 0-)
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    Aquarius40, Xkeeper, Mannie

    on minimum wage. Even in a 2 income family. Virtually everything concerning workers, including immigration, points to the fact that there are those who really want to bring back slavery in this country. Shame on all of them.

    Your left is my right---Mort Sahl

    by HappyinNM on Fri May 25, 2012 at 09:04:08 AM PDT

    •  Isn't NYC one of the most expensive places to live (2+ / 0-)
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      Mannie, HappyinNM

      I don't see how $7.25 is enough to survive there. It's bad enough here in Las Vegas, where my $11/hour wage wouldn't really cover living alone with breathing room after bills.

      $8.50 isn't much better, but it'd certainly help a lot.

    •  I left NYC a few months ago because it's (0+ / 0-)

      too expensive, and I make quite a bit more than minimum wage!  Between the rent, the cost of goods, and the income tax, it's just a ton more than other places.  With that said, it's not clear to me what the public policy implications of that are; certainly part of the expense is pure supply & demand, and beyond that the facts on the ground underdetermine the policy response.  

      •  NYC increasingly becomes a place for the very (0+ / 0-)

        Wealthy paying by far the bulk of taxes, a disproportionately large poor population receiving economic benefits that enable them to live in an expensive city, and a middle class disproportionally based on government workers.  This is economically fragile, because if the rich population declines, it all falls apart.

        The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

        by nextstep on Mon May 28, 2012 at 10:51:53 AM PDT

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  •  God forbid we give workers more money.... (3+ / 0-)
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    Xkeeper, Mannie, laserhaas

    because then they might have a bit of disposable income to, you know, buy things. And as we all know, that increased demand wouldn't be good for the economy because....um... I guess... Mitt, Mitch and Boner said it wouldn't.

    So take that, you 'entitled' workers!

    (/snark)

    •  Yes, but what they wouldn't be buying is stocks (1+ / 0-)
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      OjaiValleyCali

      and financial services/fees, which is what the GOP is selling these days.  ConAgra might get a bump, but the GOP is all about moving money around, not providing durable goods or necessary services.  The other things they deal in--utilities, energy, building and war materiel--are subsidized by the taxpayers.  Besides, if minimum wages increase then being forced into the military is less likely and we might have to bring back that egalitarian draft.

      Romney went to France instead of serving in our military, got rich chop-shopping US businesses and eliminating US jobs, off-shored his money in the Cayman Islands, and now tells us to "Believe in America."

      by judyms9 on Mon May 28, 2012 at 06:33:54 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  most of the wealthy never have "enough" (0+ / 0-)

      "Tax cuts for the 1% create jobs." -- Republicans, HAHAHA - in China

      by MartyM on Mon May 28, 2012 at 07:25:30 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  ah yes Repubonomics (0+ / 0-)

      if we pay you more...it's bad for you?  

      No it's just much easier to blame poor people...

  •  It is amazing how us all being paid around (1+ / 0-)
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    joe wobblie

    minimum wage - while paying taxes to hire those making 3, 4 and 5 times our yearly income - have those hirees finding fault with us getting paid a little more.

    You'd think they'd have some common sense to know that if we got paid more - they could get paid more.


    Mitt Romney was CEO of Bain until Aug 2001. Details @ http://www.laserhaas.wordpress.com

    by laserhaas on Fri May 25, 2012 at 10:29:04 AM PDT

    •  They never point out that those (1+ / 0-)
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      Amber6541

      wages are going to spent in their neighborhoods,
      creating demand, making employers more money.

      You will have those funds distributed differently than
      would have been when one person was doing the
      purchasing with them.

      The shortsidedness of greed never ceases to amaze me.

      Today's problems are yesterday's solutions. Don Beck

      by Sherri in TX on Mon May 28, 2012 at 07:50:08 AM PDT

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      •  I don't agree with you (0+ / 0-)

        that it's shortsighted.  They know exactly what they're doing.  If the people are kept on a hardscrabble existence then they don't have the time, energy or resources to make a fuss and get the bootheel off of their necks.

  •  Can residents get it on the ballot? (0+ / 0-)

    That would light a fire under the Senate and Cuomo, since the public would easily pass a far more generous raise.

    (-2.38, -3.28) Independent thinker

    by TrueBlueDem on Fri May 25, 2012 at 12:20:38 PM PDT

  •  They need to stop insulting peoples' intelligence (7+ / 0-)
    their opposition is in the best interests of low-wage workers, have argued that because workers earning more money would pay more taxes, earning as much as $1.25 more per hour would actually hurt them
    Who do they think they're kidding?  They're pathetic, disgraceful excuses for human beings, let alone for lawmakers.

    It is time to #Occupy Media.

    by lunachickie on Mon May 28, 2012 at 06:05:59 AM PDT

    •  It's hilarious (1+ / 1-)
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      Perspective

      People making this kind of money don't pay federal income taxes in the first place.  My only concern is that knowing employers, they'd just cut back on hours worked and lessen O.T. everywhere they could and take away some of the part time jobs our kids and retirees count on so much just to "get even".  After all, it's all about the bottom line, isn't it?

      The truth is sometimes very inconvenient.

      by commonsensically on Mon May 28, 2012 at 06:25:31 AM PDT

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      •  No, it's all about expanding the bottom (0+ / 0-)

        thereby expanding control by the top.

        Romney went to France instead of serving in our military, got rich chop-shopping US businesses and eliminating US jobs, off-shored his money in the Cayman Islands, and now tells us to "Believe in America."

        by judyms9 on Mon May 28, 2012 at 06:35:31 AM PDT

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    •  Republicans prove every time they (4+ / 0-)
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      Sherri in TX, Amber6541, jts327, barbwires

      make such ludicrous claims that they don't understand - or refuse to acknowledge -  marginal tax rates.  Even if a minimum wage worker paid any federal income tax at all (and I've never heard of one who does), more income is more income, and not all that additional income would be eaten up by taxes.

      Lies come in all flavors, but they're all lies.

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Mon May 28, 2012 at 06:52:04 AM PDT

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  •  The minimum wage should be between (10+ / 0-)

    $10.50 and $12.00 an hour and indexed for inflation in the costs of everyday necessities after that. What most people don't realize is that the purchasing power of the 1968 minimum wage was around $10.55 in today's dollars. We have actually gone backwards in the US in terms of that wage since then. It worked then to lift people out of poverty, why wouldn't it now?

    Trickle Down Economics 101: They get the golden parachute, we get the golden shower.

    by NoMoreLies on Mon May 28, 2012 at 06:09:18 AM PDT

    •  Keep this fact in mind... (1+ / 0-)
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      ShoshannaD

      ...when some people support economic policies designed to spur inflation.

      Inflation benefits those with first access to money and credit, and those with hard assets. Even with increases in the minimum wage, minimum wage never quite maintains purchasing power. Minimum wage workers have close to zero bargaining power. Inflation just increases their costs to the benefit of those who already make more money than them.

      (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
      Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

      by Sparhawk on Mon May 28, 2012 at 07:09:56 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Unlike any other issue, Cuomo simply (5+ / 0-)

    dismissed this as "can't be done".

    When the public workers refused to budge on taking a cut in pay and benefits, he assailed them publicly until they did.

    When the teachers refused to comply with cuts, he demeaned them publicly until they did.

    The republicans love this governor.


    The religious fanatics didn't buy the republican party because it was virtuous, they bought it because it was for sale

    by nupstateny on Mon May 28, 2012 at 06:19:16 AM PDT

  •  This is a prime example... (2+ / 0-)
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    sunny skies, dilutedviking

    of all that is wrong in America....minimum wage, rigged elections, income inequality, unaffordable tuition, lack of health care.....the list seems interminable. If the American people can be given credit for anything it's their ability to tolerate abuse.  What I want to know is  --  what will it  take to get them off their a+++s to put an end to the abuse....all of it?

    •  I just visited two friends in S. Fla. (3+ / 0-)
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      dilutedviking, Gary Norton, psnyder

      One's on Medicaid, works two crappy part-time jobs, and wants out of the dead-end relationship she's in but can't leave her boyfriend because she can't afford her own apartment; and the other works four crappy part-time jobs, is constantly stressed out, and has no time to enjoy life because she's always got to work. Both vote Republican because "Obama goes all over the world apologizing for America - I've heard tape of him doing it!" and "He's going to take away our GUNS!!!!" (Actually, now the gun-nut conspiracy is he's just going to ban the ammo).

      F***ing amazing.

      I vote we run Rick Scott out of Florida on a high-speed rail.

      by ObamOcala on Mon May 28, 2012 at 06:45:32 AM PDT

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  •  Republican Party Platform (4+ / 0-)

    of Iowa:

    3.16 We call for the repeal of all mandatory minimum wage laws.
    2012 proposed platform:
    We believe the market, not the government, should set the "minimum wage".
    •  If the market set the minimum (3+ / 0-)
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      timewarp, Amber6541, cocinero

      wage, there would be no minimum wage. It is because many employers refuse to pay decent, livable wages that laws have to be created to mandate and enforce a minimum wage.

      Unions worked hard to make certain working conditions standard, and the laws followed the unions to make sure all employees had the same basic workers rights. This happened because "the market" is greedy and selfish and uncaring of the workers who create the wealth.

      •  There is no (3+ / 0-)
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        'market.'

        There are only people who have power to influence and those who do not.

        [okay, it's an exaggeration to say there is no market--but it's easier that saying that so much is influenced by people/corporations who have outsize influence on everthing]

        The banks have a stranglehold on the political process. Mike Whitney

        by dfarrah on Mon May 28, 2012 at 08:35:14 AM PDT

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        •  May I challenge that? (2+ / 0-)
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          Amber6541, cocinero

          There are markets.

          The key here is that we the people set the market rules so that business serves us a net value add.

          Business operates under license from the Government.  We allow business because we want the benefits that come with innovation and the service and goods that come with the desire to profit.

          Markets are created by demand.  We need stuff, and we want stuff.

          Whether or not those markets serve us or enslave us is what the market rules are for.

          Our government exists because we grant it the authority to protect us and promote the common good.

          ***Be Excellent To One Another***
          IF THEY ARE GOING TO SCREW THE PEOPLE, MAKE THEM OWN IT.

          by potatohead on Mon May 28, 2012 at 09:36:02 AM PDT

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          •  Well, I should have (0+ / 0-)

            been clearer.

            I was talking about the notion of a 'free market' and I believe that Noddy was referring to that notion in his/her comment.

            Obviously, a 'market' exists for goods and services.

            But no, I don't believe that 'people set the market rules....'--rather, I believe that business has outsize influence and power to get what it wants.

            The banks have a stranglehold on the political process. Mike Whitney

            by dfarrah on Mon May 28, 2012 at 05:34:51 PM PDT

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            •  well you buy their framing as intended (0+ / 0-)

              That is how it operates now more than not, but we can check that and should.

              The law says we get to.  Remember that. They want people to forget.

              Think about it. If there are no free markets, then there is regulation and where ther is that we can act, if we work together.

              ***Be Excellent To One Another***
              IF THEY ARE GOING TO SCREW THE PEOPLE, MAKE THEM OWN IT.

              by potatohead on Mon May 28, 2012 at 07:24:18 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  I'm not buying anyone's (0+ / 0-)

                framing--that's the whole reason I said, or attempted to say, that a 'free market' doesn't exist--because so many people cite the so-called free market when they talk about economic issues.  So, I was responding to what I considered to be Noddy's acceptance of the notion [or framing] of 'free market.'

                I think we're saying the same thing.  I look at it as a power issue, regardles of whatever the law supposedly says.  

                If  the law that you cite with 'the law says we get to' was such a powerful tool for our side, then I suppose we wouldn't be where we are today, with corporations and Wall Street taking over Congress, not to mention the Citizens United decision that told us, 'you don't get to....'

                The banks have a stranglehold on the political process. Mike Whitney

                by dfarrah on Mon May 28, 2012 at 08:02:36 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  Oh it totally is a power issue. (0+ / 0-)

                  They've built up power and some strong regressive and arguably false, failed norms too.

                  This is about people vs money, period.

                  Some how, way too many of us have been convinced that it's more about the money than it is about the people.

                  We only live once.  Time to put pressure on those norms, which is why I say it the way we do.

                  This is our scene, not theirs.  People, government, business.  They are trying very hard to make it business, government, people, enslaving us, over exploiting us, and it's not OK.

                  ***Be Excellent To One Another***
                  IF THEY ARE GOING TO SCREW THE PEOPLE, MAKE THEM OWN IT.

                  by potatohead on Mon May 28, 2012 at 10:10:43 PM PDT

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    •  that entire platform is radical (1+ / 0-)
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      cocinero

      to say the least.

      Where ignorance is our master, there is no possibility of real peace. - Dalai Lama

      by kimoconnor on Mon May 28, 2012 at 07:47:34 AM PDT

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      •  Yes. (0+ / 0-)

        Democrats need to tie the crazy stuff in the GOP platform around the necks of their candidates. Force them to either agree with it and alienate moderates, independents and Dems or repudiate platform planks and alienate their base.

  •  system (2+ / 0-)
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    sunny skies, dilutedviking

    This is indicative of how much the system has deteriorated.  There was a time, say 50 years ago, that party affiliation was not a guarantor of votes--legislators voted as individuals who leaned in certain directions--not quislings that followed directions.  Unless this changes---it won't-- the system must eventually become parliamentary.  Right now, we have the worst of both worlds.

    Apres Bush, le deluge.

    by melvynny on Mon May 28, 2012 at 06:23:35 AM PDT

  •  $8.50 (2+ / 0-)
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    sunny skies, dilutedviking

    $8.50 an hour is still not a living wage.

    Break the bank! Companies will go under! Executives will suffer!

    The injustices just never stop. How do these people live with themselves?

    It doesn't matter if there's a D or an R after the name--if all they care about is themselves and staying on top of everyone else.

  •  If the GOP were really worries about taxes for (3+ / 0-)
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    judyms9, dilutedviking, Amber6541

    the working poor, they'd attach a rider to any rise in the minimum wage giving a tax break to anyone making under $15/hr.

    Barring that, bullshit.

    It seems curiosity has killed the cat that had my tongue.

    by Murphoney on Mon May 28, 2012 at 06:34:53 AM PDT

  •  Cuomo (3+ / 0-)
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    dilutedviking, psnyder, lineatus

    A couple of quick notes.  Cuomo is (a) truly unlikable from a personal standpoint, (b) not a progressive - I truly think his support for same sex marriage was 99% a political calculation and (c) Very effective in negotiating the dysfunctional arena of NYS politics.

    I also think he will sign into law an increase in the minimum wage next year.  He doesn't want to be seen as too liberal by championing it this year.  It will happen next year though.  Cuomo is a mixed bag who benefits from comparisons to his predecessors of Paterson, Spitzer and Pataki.

  •  I advocate a Living Wage, not just a minimum. (2+ / 0-)
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    Noddy, gr8trtl

    The most common argument I hear is that a higher minimum wage would just make everything more expensive, and small businesses wouldn't be able to afford it. While I feel instinctively that this isn't true, I have a hard time countering it with facts/numbers. I would appreciate any info on that.

    Oh for crying out loud!

    by 4mygirls on Mon May 28, 2012 at 06:49:16 AM PDT

    •  For public employees, the money has to come (2+ / 0-)
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      Sparhawk, 4mygirls

      from the taxpayers.  For private business, the money can only come from two places: the retained earnings of the company or the consumers.  I'm sure there are studies out there on to what extent the funding for increased minimum wage comes from consumers (higher prices) versus retained earnings (lower profits).

      •  Well, you kind of (1+ / 0-)
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        Amber6541

        forgot about the overpaid managerial level.

        You know, those Untouchables who get $12,000 dollar raises in one year regardless of what happens under their management.  And this happens in government, too.

        Why don't the people at the top ever take cuts?  Here in Denver, a city council committee has already approved $12,000 raises for managers already making six-figures!  These people make more than 93% of the population, yet they always need more more more.

        The banks have a stranglehold on the political process. Mike Whitney

        by dfarrah on Mon May 28, 2012 at 08:41:08 AM PDT

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  •  When you get down to minimum wage jobs you (2+ / 0-)
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    dilutedviking, Amber6541

    are also at the margin of the shadow economy, which is much larger now than ever.  Those folks who dropped off unemployment benefits and who seem to have dropped out of the job market are actually doing things for pay, off-the-books pay.  Or those who can go onto the public assistance rolls because they have children have done so.  Either way erodes the tax base while draining the tax coffers.  More and more savings are being drained from investments and banks.  Without a sane baseline--such as the guaranteed annual income once proposed by Nixon or a reasonable minimum wage--we're in bigger trouble than ever.  Raise the minimum wage and give employers incentives to hire and/or retain  employees.  Germany has been preserving its employment base throughout this financial mess, and they have a stable economy.

    Romney went to France instead of serving in our military, got rich chop-shopping US businesses and eliminating US jobs, off-shored his money in the Cayman Islands, and now tells us to "Believe in America."

    by judyms9 on Mon May 28, 2012 at 06:49:20 AM PDT

    •  But Germany has no minmum wage (0+ / 0-)

      So... I don't think they are an answer for us. They are also not growing their economy as well as we are.

      There are two kinds of people in this world. The kind who divide the world into two kinds of people, and the kind who don't.

      by upstate NY on Mon May 28, 2012 at 08:23:23 AM PDT

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      •  Comparing us (0+ / 0-)

        to Germany is comparing apples to oranges.

        For one thing, Germany has socialized health care.

        Further, I have heard all of my life how the US is so much better than Europe because there is supposedly always a crisis going on in Europe.  Yet here is Europe, carryong on as usual.   It's just a pack of lies.

        [with the exception the current crisis which is more similar to the 1930's depression]

        The banks have a stranglehold on the political process. Mike Whitney

        by dfarrah on Mon May 28, 2012 at 08:44:14 AM PDT

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        •  German incomes are being driven down (0+ / 0-)

          They have adopted neoliberal policies that have created a lot of temp jobs, and they have totally mishandled the crisis. The current eurocrisis is similar to the 1930s especially in the sense that political ideologies has caused a lot of lame decisions. In the periphery of Europe, the poverty is as bad as it is in the USA, with lack of health care, hunger, etc.

          All I really wanted to point out in the post you responded to was that Germany doesn't have a minimum wage, so anyone who argues that we should raise our wage and uses Germany as an example is effectively arguing that jobs should be split in the fashion they are in Germany (half jobs, part time). The austerity policies in Europe are mainly geared toward eroding the minimum wage, so they certainly aren't a model for us.

          There are two kinds of people in this world. The kind who divide the world into two kinds of people, and the kind who don't.

          by upstate NY on Mon May 28, 2012 at 08:58:46 AM PDT

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  •  too stoopid to vote democrat,deserve what they get (0+ / 0-)

    PEOPLE TOO STUPID TO VOTE DEMOCRAT DESERVE THEIR FATE...  i am tired of sucking up to the t-party mantra of the toothless and tattooed who believe that Willard Mitt Romney is any better than the rat (movie) he is named after.

  •  We Need A New Const. Amendment (3+ / 0-)
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    4mygirls, dfarrah, Amber6541

    Minimum wage for members of the House and Senate.

    This head movie makes my eyes rain.

    by The Lone Apple on Mon May 28, 2012 at 07:01:03 AM PDT

  •  I have been disappointed in Cuomo (0+ / 0-)

    On the brighter side, unless he goes to finishing school, Mario's kid will never be president.  

  •  So uisng the Republicans argument... (3+ / 0-)
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    Gary Norton, TexasTom, Amber6541

    Corporate CEO's should refuse their raises and bonuses because it will raise their taxes.

    "Now watch what you say or they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, a fanatical criminal" -- Logical Song -- Rick Davies & Roger Hodgson

    by Over50Lib on Mon May 28, 2012 at 07:09:59 AM PDT

  •  I've got an idea (2+ / 0-)
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    Renie57, Amber6541

    The current salary for a NY Senator is $79,500 +$171 a day for expenses.

    I think they should earn the min wage like the "others" and try it out for awhile. And the "others" don't get any per diem so we can dispense with that as well.

    Look at all the money NY would save....!!

    "Politics is the entertainment branch of industry" - Frank Zappa

    by Da Rock on Mon May 28, 2012 at 07:28:25 AM PDT

    •  If your plan treats the rich and poor alike, (0+ / 0-)

      it would be just like it was (before the Revolution) a few centuries ago in France: Their laws prohibited rich and poor alike from sleeping under bridges, begging on the public streets, and stealing bread. That seemed fair to Marie Antoinette.

      Do you suppose the multi-millionaire Bloombergs or the Kerrys of the world would be inconvenienced at all by such a plan for Public Servants? Of course not. Do you think someone who had to quit their working class job to serve in the Legislature would be in the same boat as the millionaires on this?

      Your plan would not inconvenience rich Legislators, but you would slam relatively poor ones. That will show them!

      "11 dimensional chess" is a clever form of using magical thinking to obfuscate the obvious.

      by Zinman on Mon May 28, 2012 at 09:16:54 AM PDT

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  •  Oh yeah. CEOs are constantly turning down (3+ / 0-)
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    potatohead, Amber6541, Zinman

    pay increases, like from $5 to $10 million because their taxes would go up. That is simply not a serious argument and anyone pushing it should be banished to muddleheaded hall of fame.

    Further, affiant sayeth not.

    by Gary Norton on Mon May 28, 2012 at 07:32:18 AM PDT

    •  I'd be surprised if that were really the (0+ / 0-)

      argument that was made.  I haven't seen any direct quotes from any of the GOPers making that argument.

      •  I heard it all (4+ / 0-)

        the time years ago when I worked with mostly repubs.

        They were all convinced that everybody would refuse to work for more money because it would be taxed.  I told them that unless the tax rate was 100%, their argument simply did not make sense.

        Then again, they have managed to convince some people that they shouldn't work overtime because the 'government takes it all'--yeah, these people actually say what's the point of working overtime, because the governement takes it all.  Serious inability to add.

        The banks have a stranglehold on the political process. Mike Whitney

        by dfarrah on Mon May 28, 2012 at 08:48:27 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Paying taxes is a wonderful problem to have. (3+ / 0-)
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    ***Be Excellent To One Another***
    IF THEY ARE GOING TO SCREW THE PEOPLE, MAKE THEM OWN IT.

    by potatohead on Mon May 28, 2012 at 07:32:24 AM PDT

  •  Here is a question we must ask ourselves... (0+ / 0-)

    What is the purpose of the Democratic Party? Not in a snarky way but as a way of bringing clarity to what we do. What do we as Democrats stand for? I used to believe that I knew the answer to that question but I do not believe that any more.

    When we have Democratic elected officials working against the interests of working people what does that say about us as a party? Or on all the other issues that we care about as liberals and progressives. Are we being tossed out of the party in a purge like the Republicans purged their liberals over the past 30 years? They love us when we phone bank and walk precincts and attend fund raisers and then they ignore us on policy and governance.

    Andrew Cuomo is symptomatic of what has been happening to the Democratic party over the past 30 years. Our party is now dominated by the DLC and Third Way types that believe more in the "free market" than they do in helping people. These folks believe either that corporate America is not corrupt or that this corruption is worth tolerating. They believe that they can manage capitalism to the benefit of the wealthy and that good things will come to everyone as a result. How is this different than "trickle-down" supply side economics?

  •  Minimum wage is $10.24 in San Francisco (3+ / 0-)
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    And I do not think anyone here is begging politicians to keep it from going up for worry about taxes.

    Where ignorance is our master, there is no possibility of real peace. - Dalai Lama

    by kimoconnor on Mon May 28, 2012 at 07:43:37 AM PDT

  •  Cuomo needs to move on this (1+ / 0-)
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    His economic record is not particularly progressive to this point. He can help change that by his stance on this issue. Additionally, this is why we need a Democratic State Senate and have to work against anyone not supporting the minimum wage.

  •  Here is what happened in Greece with minmum wages (1+ / 0-)
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    dropping.

    http://www.reuters.com/...

    Lower minimum wages compress income for all workers.

    There are two kinds of people in this world. The kind who divide the world into two kinds of people, and the kind who don't.

    by upstate NY on Mon May 28, 2012 at 08:25:10 AM PDT

  •  How does anybody even pay minimum wage in NYC? (1+ / 0-)
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    This never ceases to confound me.

    At some point, all those spoiled Manhattanites need to shop, eat out, etc.  That means having people around to wait on them, clean up after them, etc.

    Who does that for minimum wage if minimum wage can't keep you alive?  I would expect people to move away to other, cheaper, places, or, as has been mentioned, going into the off-books economy.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Mon May 28, 2012 at 09:30:17 AM PDT

  •  FFS is ANYBODY buying this crap?? (1+ / 0-)
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    Republican opponents of raising the minimum wage, trying to claim that their opposition is in the best interests of low-wage workers, have argued that because workers earning more money would pay more taxes, earning as much as $1.25 more per hour would actually hurt them financially.
    I'm 44 years old, have worked my whole adult life, and NEVER heard ANYONE say, "damn, I don't want a raise, because I'll owe more in taxes."

    These motherfuckers are ridiculous!!

    Equality. It's for everybody.

    by SueM1121 on Mon May 28, 2012 at 09:35:05 AM PDT

  •  Americans for Prosperity: 'NY Minimum Wage Folly' (0+ / 0-)

    Of course 'Americans for Prosperity', funded by billionaire David Koch, is against this because 'any minimum wage increase would increase unemployment, especially amongst the young'.

    http://www.americansforprosperity.org/...

    Meanwhile in Illinois this worthy organization is flooding the airwaves with ads urging the dismantling of the pension system for state workers:

    http://americansforprosperity.org/...

    Welcome to the rich man's war on working people's benefits.

  •  Organized Labor did it to us (0+ / 0-)

    Half the Republicans in the NY Senate were elected with endorsements from the NY AFL-CIO, and some of them also with endorsements from New York United Teachers. Union members aren't affected by the minimum wage as they have nice collective bargaining agreements. And with very few exceptions, the unions aren't even trying to organized these low wage employees.

    Shame.

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