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John McCain and Lindsey Graham
Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham, deficit peacocks (Kevin Lamarque/Reuters)
Watching the latest Republican outrage at Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, you'd think he had sold the nation's nuke launch codes to Ahmadinejad. Instead, he's merely insisting that Republicans negotiate in good faith on revenue. Cue the hissy fits.
Arizona’s other senator, John McCain, the top Republican on the Armed Services Committee, dismissed Reid’s comments as “unfortunate.”

“I think it makes it pretty clear what Senator Reid doesn’t understand are the devastating effects on our nation’s security that Secretary Panetta has so graphically described,” said McCain, a Vietnam veteran and retired Navy captain. [...]

Sen. Lindsey Graham, an Air Force reservist, chimed in as well: “Gutting the military should be the last thing we want to do.”

Democrats are, thus far, holding their ground and backing up Reid.
“If Republicans are willing to put revenue on the table—which is what a fair and balanced approach is—we’ll be able to get there,” said Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.), who served as co-chairwoman of the failed supercommittee and whose state is home to more than 80,000 Boeing workers. [...]

Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin predicted that the automatic cuts will be scrapped before November, but like Reid and Murray, he insisted that revenue must be part of the equation.

“I think we’ll avoid sequestration, but the only way to avoid it is if everybody is in the soup together,” the Michigan Democrat said.

Republicans can avoid "gutting" the military simply by agreeing to pay for the military, not by slashing all other domestic programs to the bone as Republicans in the House and Senate have voted repeatedly to do, but by raising taxes on the wealthy.

So what it really comes down to is whether Republicans are more committed to national defense or to Grover Norquist.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Fri May 25, 2012 at 08:32 AM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  Tip Jar (30+ / 0-)

    "There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning." —Warren Buffett

    by Joan McCarter on Fri May 25, 2012 at 08:32:55 AM PDT

  •  Great Line (23+ / 0-)
    So what it really comes down to is whether Republicans are more committed to national defense or to Grover Norquist.
    •  Three guesses (7+ / 0-)

      which they choose....

      "There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning." —Warren Buffett

      by Joan McCarter on Fri May 25, 2012 at 08:40:22 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Boeing and Lockheed vrs. (10+ / 0-)

      Grover.  It 's not about national defense.  Hell the military budget nedds far bigger cuts.  It 's about who owns Congress.

      I'm from the Elizabeth Warren and Darcy Burner Wing of the Democratic Party!

      by TomP on Fri May 25, 2012 at 08:50:49 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I'm betting on Grover (3+ / 0-)
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        bear83, TomP, cybersaur

        Given that defense contractors are not the biggest donors and split their money about 60 / 40.

        Open Secrets

        In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra En théorie, il n'y a aucune différence entre théorie et pratique, mais en pratique, il y a toujours une différence. - Yogi Berra

        by blue aardvark on Fri May 25, 2012 at 10:17:31 AM PDT

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    •  Smedley Butler, Major General, USMC (14+ / 0-)
      I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.

      ― Smedley D. Butler, War is a Racket: The Antiwar Classic by America's Most Decorated Soldier

      Big Money and the GOP are still at it. Smedley would recognize Mitt as one of his bosses. And McCain, Graham etc as their lackeys.
      •  More Smedley Butler quotes (10+ / 0-)
        My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of the higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military.
           
        There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights.
           
        War is a racket. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.
         
           
        War is just a racket... I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else.
           
           
        The trouble is that when American dollars earn only six percent over here, they get restless and go overseas to get 100 percent … the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag.' `I wouldn’t go to war again as I have done to defend some lousy investment of the bankers … we should fight only for the defense of our home and the Bill of Rights … war for any other reason is simply a racket.' `There isn’t a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to.` `It had its ‘finger men’ to point out enemies, its ‘muscle men’ to destroy enemies, its ‘brain men’ to plan war preparations and a ‘Big Boss’ – supernationalistic capitalism.’
    •  No, terrible line. (2+ / 0-)
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      cocinero, cybersaur

      Cutting $50 B will not hurt national defense.  Cutting 3 or 4 times that will not hurt national defense.  Progressives have to stop buying into the argument that more $$ thrown at the Pentagon makes us safer.

    •  Only if they buy into the trade off, which they (1+ / 0-)
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      cocinero

      will not.  They will only harp on the Dems willing to gut national defense and ignore the tax argument side.  So predictable.  Setting it up as a choice only works when the other side is willing to treat it as a choice.  And most people will opt for security over tax increases to the rich.

      The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

      by accumbens on Fri May 25, 2012 at 10:57:05 AM PDT

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    •  Why Do We Continually Embrace Republican Framings? (2+ / 0-)
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      cybersaur, perkinwarbek

      No wonder the Overton window keep moving rightward, we help push it there.  There is no reason to believe that the US' national defense requires the level of spending it currently gets or that making significant cuts will in fact make the US less secure.  What military threats does the US face?  We are separated by oceans from any even debaetably plausible military threats as opposed to the acts of small non-state criminal groups.  The US military is ill equipped or suited to addressing terrorism, which is essentially a criminal matter as opposed to an actual military threat.

      Advisors for President-Elect Barack Obama feared the new administration would face a coup if it prosecuted Bush-era war crimes, according to a new report out this morning.

      by Kurt Sperry on Fri May 25, 2012 at 11:15:19 AM PDT

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  •  Gutting the military....well since you put it that (3+ / 0-)
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    Joan McCarter, TexDem, tb mare

    way I'm against it........Grow Up Lindsey.

  •  Republicans lie (17+ / 0-)

    about national security to try to save tax cuts for the wealthy.

    A healthy national economy,  appropriate investments in the country's infrastructure, all require sufficient taxes and appropriate spending.  Republican ideas of taxation and unsupportable defense spending threaten national security.   People don't live by bombs alone.  Sometimes, food, shelter and health care are necessary to survival.  People are after all biological units, my friend.

  •  I find it very interesting (10+ / 0-)

    that the biggest deficit hawcks and fierst small government disciples are in reality grabbing the bigest chunk of the budget and feed it to the military industrial complex, conviniently residing... you guessed it, in their Red States. That's where the pork is McCain and we are tired of your hypocricy. Good diary Joan.

    •  Defence contractors are strategically placed (2+ / 0-)
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      cocinero, cybersaur

      ...among all congressional districts, of all political hues, to keep ALL congress-critters dependent on them for the jobs provided.

      It's an inefficient investment, since military spending does not generate as many jobs for the money spent, but conversion to a plowshares economy is politically fraught without a well-framed national policy to promote and support it.

      I Refuse to Believe Corporations Are People Until Texas Executes One

      by desert rain on Fri May 25, 2012 at 12:05:06 PM PDT

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      •  It's not just contractors. (0+ / 0-)

        It's also military bases and units. The Pentagon wants to eliminate F-16s from the Iowa Air National Guard wing in Des Moines which would cost some jobs. The governor and entire Iowa delegation, R & D, succeeded in blocking that plan.

        Political micro-management keeps the DOD inefficient and wasteful trying to prop up an obsolete cold war defense system.

  •  Democrats should go home for the year. (6+ / 0-)

    There's nothing to discuss with Republicans.  We have a budget and it's called sequestration.  My only question at this point is whether sequestration would get us out of having to raise the debt ceiling again in December.  If so, that would be awesome since that and the budget itself are the two things Republicans can use to extract concessions (i.e. total surrender) from Democrats.

    Romney '12: Ron Paul, without the freedom!

    by Rich in PA on Fri May 25, 2012 at 09:18:04 AM PDT

    •  umm not so much. Did you catch the quote by (2+ / 0-)
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      cocinero, cybersaur

      Carl Levin (D) MI?

      Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin predicted that the automatic cuts will be scrapped before November, but like Reid and Murray, he insisted that revenue must be part of the equation.

      I don't think the plan is to allow the sequestration, aka defense cuts, to actually take place.

      Fuck me! He made it. Will Scarlet

      by dagolfnut on Fri May 25, 2012 at 10:43:36 AM PDT

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  •  Defense spending needs to fall (7+ / 0-)

    by a lot.

    I'm not sure why we should be pushing for tax increases to keep spending on defense at unsustainably high levels.

    We should want the sequestration to happen.

  •  Yay (2+ / 0-)
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    JML9999, OpherGopher

    Vet McCain is back! Is he going to have flashbacks of when he had to knaw off his own leg and then use it to dig an escape tunnel?

    (I like Vet McCain better than TeaBag McCain.)

  •  Like all bullies R's in Congress are truly cowards (3+ / 0-)
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    bear83, OpherGopher, cybersaur

    ...so of course they would rather smack the crap out of politically powerless poor people with a budget paying billions more to military contractors funded by gutting programs for the poor, than standing up to Grover Norquist.

  •  Grover of coarse (0+ / 0-)

    will get his way !

    I sure hope not though.

    Why can't national defense be turned into: you are the ones worth so much you pay for it !

  •  If the defense cuts would be such a travesty, (7+ / 0-)

    then why did the GOP agree to them as part of the debt limit deal?  The GOP's "word" is worth their weight in belly button lint.

    •  Exactly (1+ / 0-)
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      tb mare

      The Republicans should give themselves a talking to for supporting - and voting for - the current deal in place.

    •  dingdingding (0+ / 0-)

      McCain's quote makes so much more sense if you substitute "Republicans" for "Senator Reid".

      These assholes really don't get it. They loaded this gun and pointed it at their own swollen heads. None of this had to happen. Republicans engineered this whole thing.
      And, typical two year olds, now they're screaming about it.
       tough.shit.boys.

      I agree with the sentiments above: time for congress to just go home.
      As "Today in Congress" tirelessly points out, nothing of substance gets done anyway, so just go home and let all the tax cuts expire, let the Sword of Damocles drop on the Pentagon, all of it.

      Class war has consequences, and we are living them.

      by kamarvt on Fri May 25, 2012 at 10:52:54 AM PDT

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  •  Trojan Horse introduced bad idea (5+ / 0-)
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    ferg, Krush, rubberarmedlefty, kamarvt, sja

    Now I can't get it out of my mind that Dems want to gut the military and put national security at risk, even though I know what the diary means is that certain key Republicans whose lives have been devoted to the gravy train of military spending rather than right-sized military, etc.

    Brain science.....

    "What Orwell Didn't Know: Propaganda and the New Face of American Politics"
    Edited by ANDRÁS SZÁNTÓ

    "As Lakoff tells us,

    'A few words in political language can activate large portions of the brain: War on Terror, tax relief, illegal immigration, entitlements (turned to conservative use by Ronald Reagan), death tax, property rights, abortion on demand, cut and run, flip-flop, school choice, intelligent design, spending programs, partial birth abortion, surge, spreading freedom, private accounts, individual responsibility, energy independence.

    When they are repeated every day, extensive areas of the brain are activated over and over, and this leads to brain change. Unerasable brain change…. And every time the words are repeated, all the frames and metaphors and worldview structures are activated again and strengthened -- because recurring activation strengthens neural connections. Negation doesn't help. "I'm against the War on Terror" just activates the War on Terror metaphor and strengthens what you're against. Accepting the language of issue and arguing the other side just hurts your own cause.'

    Drew Westen, a psychology professor and political consultant, supports Lakoff's statements as well as his contention that in America these techniques have been exploited far more intelligently by the political right than by the center and left, which are hampered by what Soros calls "the Enlightenment fallacy" -- that is, the fallacious assumption (dating from the 18th century) that freedom of thought and speech will ensure that reason will prevail. The media and the Democratic leadership, Westen says, are unwittingly "smuggling Trojan horses into popular discourse" by parroting terminology created by those in power, "essentially advertising the 'product line' of the Republican party and selling its 'brand.' "

    From Barnes & Noble book review by Brooke Allen:
    http://www.barnesandnoble.com/...
  •  Hmm the 3 Amigos of War (3+ / 0-)
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    ferg, Joan McCarter, Krush

    1) Lindsey Graham's reservist job is as a lawyer not a field commander so when it comes to tactics and strategy he knows about as much as any other arm chair general

    2) Joe Lieberman brings home the pork to the Military Industrial Complex in Connecticut and one of Israel's guys in the Senate so when it comes to tactics and strategy he knows about as much as any other arm chair general

    3) John McCain is a expert on being tortured and held as a prisoner of war but when it comes to tactics and strategy is knowledge base  consists of plowing warplanes into the ground while he's sitting in them....

    Doctor Mitt Romney Brain Sturgeon-The Operation was a success but the patient died, where's my fee?

    by JML9999 on Fri May 25, 2012 at 10:02:17 AM PDT

    •  McCain's expertise; plane crashing (2+ / 0-)
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      JML9999, cybersaur

      what was it? Three of them?
      Still waiting for receipt of funds for plane replacement, there, Senator.

      Class war has consequences, and we are living them.

      by kamarvt on Fri May 25, 2012 at 10:54:45 AM PDT

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      •  McCain's Flying record from Factcheck (1+ / 0-)
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        kamarvt

        Doctor Mitt Romney Brain Sturgeon-The Operation was a success but the patient died, where's my fee?

        by JML9999 on Fri May 25, 2012 at 10:59:33 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  oops. My bad. Four it is... (1+ / 0-)
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          JML9999

          ok. Only one was 'pilot error" the others all involved the loss of the plane, but weren't McCain's fault.

          But in the land of personal responsibility and no mandatory insurance, I'm looking at the guy who had the keys last on those four planes.
          Shot down over Vietnam? Should've flown more evasive maneuvers. Pay up.
          Plane lost by a contact fire on the Forrestal? Should've parked somewhere else. Pay up.

          What the hell. It's fun applying neocon arguments to neocon behavior.

          So that'll be four planes, plus the damage to the fifth (that didn't actually crash).
          Thanks for the link; it was interesting to see how far down the page the other lost planes were mentioned after the assertion at the top that the claim of five is false.

          Class war has consequences, and we are living them.

          by kamarvt on Fri May 25, 2012 at 11:08:49 AM PDT

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  •  It might be useful to remind the Republcans that (5+ / 0-)

    something like this played a role in the decline of the Roman Empire 1600 years ago. A lot of the wealth was concentrated in the hands of the wealth landowners who no longer felt that they had to pay for things like roads, bridges, and the Roman army.

  •  Protect the rich elsewise the Cooties will attack! (3+ / 0-)
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    Joan McCarter, JML9999, basket

    slutty voter for a "dangerous president"; Präsidentenelf-maßschach; Warning-Some Snark Above"Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) "Sciant terra viam monstrare." 政治委员, 政委!

    by annieli on Fri May 25, 2012 at 10:05:27 AM PDT

  •  Real Defense is a well fed, well housed, (14+ / 0-)

    well schooled, healthy and well informed populace.  

    So put those dollars back into our country & people rather than the military industrial  complex and watch us soar.  

    "I think it is much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers that might be wrong." Richard Feynman

    by leema on Fri May 25, 2012 at 10:06:24 AM PDT

    •  ^THIS (3+ / 0-)
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      basket, bear83, myboo

      And BTW, the Pentagon agrees with you. And even Lockheed Martin and Boeing want enough American born engineers with good educations that they can hire people who can get clearances cheaply.

      In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra En théorie, il n'y a aucune différence entre théorie et pratique, mais en pratique, il y a toujours une différence. - Yogi Berra

      by blue aardvark on Fri May 25, 2012 at 10:20:18 AM PDT

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  •  Prairie fire of debt is 'a cowpie of distortion' (5+ / 0-)

    Fuck, I just love the way President Obama made a mockery of Mitt Romney and told America Romney's claims are pure bullshit.

    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right. I'm riding in the Tour de Cure. You can donate here.

    by darthstar on Fri May 25, 2012 at 10:09:46 AM PDT

  •  Treason, McJoan! (1+ / 0-)
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    blue aardvark
    Republicans can avoid "gutting" the military simply by agreeing to pay for the military, not by slashing all other domestic programs to the bone as Republicans in the House and Senate have voted repeatedly to do, but by raising taxes on the wealthy.
    Never!
  •  Senile old war monger. (4+ / 0-)

    (And closeted old warmonger.)

    "The disturbing footage depicts piglets being drop kicked and swung by their hind legs. Sows are seen being kicked and shoved as they resist leaving their piglets."

    by Bush Bites on Fri May 25, 2012 at 10:12:21 AM PDT

  •  Maybe one day our kids will have (3+ / 0-)
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    basket, myboo, cybersaur

    All the teachers and books they need, and the Air Force will be holding bake sales to fund  new fighter jets...
    Sigh.

  •  We already know where they are on this (2+ / 0-)
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    basket, Icicle68

    The Eduard Savurain case shows us where their hearts are.

    Not paying taxes is a cause so worthy that one should forgo ones US citizenship if it avoids taxation.

    Certainly by extension we should unilaterally disarm, if necessary, rather than require more taxation.

    Republicans differ from Benedict Arnold only in that General Arnold did serve loyally at one point in his career.

    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra En théorie, il n'y a aucune différence entre théorie et pratique, mais en pratique, il y a toujours une différence. - Yogi Berra

    by blue aardvark on Fri May 25, 2012 at 10:15:24 AM PDT

  •  I've been saying it since last summer... (0+ / 0-)

    Obama completely hoodwinked the hell out of the GOP with the budget control act.  He knew the committee would fail, but he got some gigantic military cuts anyways.  He tricked them into playing themselves.

    Now they are flailing around and openly advocating for MORE spending to "protect" the economy.  They don't even realize how backwards they've got themselves right now compared to their usual position.

    Hilarity.

  •  Wow! What a gift that would be? (1+ / 0-)
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    basket

    Can you just imagine the Repugs lobbying to give away our money (the 99%) to the rich or "We'll cut defense spending god damn it".

    They are not the sharpest tacks in the box but they should see that this is a losing proposition.

  •  Deficit peacocks who get regular facials (1+ / 0-)
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    basket

    by the look of them.

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Fri May 25, 2012 at 10:19:51 AM PDT

  •  If it's so vital, then PAY for it! (4+ / 0-)
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    basket, ferg, bear83, TexasTom

    Didn't the war in Iraq end?  You mean to tell me that we ended a war but do not get to reduce defense spending? WTF!

    When we faced the greatest threat (Terror) in our country's history (according to Bush) it was too much to ask our citizens to pay for it. It is way past time.

    •  worth a reminder; all the debt is accounts due (0+ / 0-)

      the whole debt squawk is based on a careful lie; that raising the debt limit green lights more "wasteful" spending.
      It's all for stuff already done. money spent. By CONGRESS.
      Like your electric bill, it is the amount due for services already rendered. If Congress wants to cut the debt limit, they need to cut spending or grow revenue BEFORE the bill comes in.
      This is the very essence of irresponsibility. Spend like drunks, then freak out when the bill comes in, blame somebody else (Ha! The black guy!!), and stomp out without paying.
      These guys suck. plain and simple.

      Class war has consequences, and we are living them.

      by kamarvt on Fri May 25, 2012 at 11:00:47 AM PDT

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  •  Hey Grover and Koch, (3+ / 0-)
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    kamarvt, cybersaur, TexasTom

    Since you think it's okay for people to voluntarily write a check to the government instead of having to pay those dreadful taxes, why don't you write a check to the Pentagon, say for $100 billion? After all, you'd just be following your own advice.

    ...

    No?

    Well, thanks for clearing that up.

  •  It is treason when a pledge to Norquist (0+ / 0-)

    tops swearing to protect and follow the Constitution - throw 'em all in the brig.

    "George Washington: "The power under the Constitution will always be in the people.... and whenever it is executed contrary to their interest, or not agreeable to their wishes, their servants can, and undoubtedly will, be recalled." 1787

    by moose67 on Fri May 25, 2012 at 10:32:34 AM PDT

  •  US military is hugely bloated (2+ / 0-)
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    tb mare, cybersaur

    how anyone can say with a straight face the modest automatic military spending cuts would "gut" the military is bewildering.  If anything those cuts would be a good start
    http://en.wikipedia.org/...

  •  This has nothing to do with security or budgets (0+ / 0-)

    This has to do with election year calculating at its most cynical.

    Suburban voters may be affected by cuts in defense spending.  All across America, one of the industries that is actually employing people at good salary rates is anything related to the defense industry, with contractors situated in every Congressional District.  

    Think about these jobs for a minute.  

    Someone graduates from a good school, such as Princeton, and is able to use a degree in engineering or computer science or math or any sort of science in obtaining a career that pays really well and offers good retirement as well.  These people generally are able to live the good life and send the kids to college at place like Princeton or Stanford or wherever.  

    That is a good career track.  Those suburban voters are voting self interest when they vote for representatives who want to continue research and applied research defense contracting.  

    Those are who the Republicans think they are playing to.  

    Are these people caught in a quandary between self interest and what is best for the country?  They probably are well aware of this.  They are very smart.  

    However, would they vote for this ploy?  Good question.  No doubt they can also see right through election year politics.

    Are all these people swing voters?  I don't know if anyone has ever correlated defense or national science institution salaried employment with voting patterns.  Most likely it would be a mixed picture.  

    I think the Republicans are desperate and are playing to a gallery they think is eager to see them make these plays, not knowing whether it will work or not.  It is a gamble.

    My hope is that they lose big.  

    hope that the idiots who have no constructive and creative solutions but only look to tear down will not win the day.

    by Stuart Heady on Fri May 25, 2012 at 10:38:40 AM PDT

  •  It's Our Turn (3+ / 0-)
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    bear83, tb mare, cybersaur

    Just say no.

  •  I am so tired of super-powerhood. (3+ / 0-)
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    myboo, tb mare, cybersaur

    Who is going to invade us? The Canadians? The Mexicans? Give it a rest. We have bigger issues, and we need that money for social justice.

    Santorum: Man on Dog; Romney: Dog on Car. Ren and Stimpy: Dog on Cat equalitymaine.org

    by commonmass on Fri May 25, 2012 at 10:39:57 AM PDT

    •  You got that right (1+ / 0-)
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      commonmass

      All the aircraft carriers, military bases, ICBMs and billion dollar bombers in the world didn't do jack shit to stop 19 nut jobs with box cutters from using jets as missiles. We could up the budget for the Department of War to an even $1 Trillion and we'd still be just as vulnerable to asymmetrical warfare.

      --- Keep Christian mythology out of science class!

      by cybersaur on Fri May 25, 2012 at 01:57:04 PM PDT

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  •  Who gives a damn what the Republicans say. NO (4+ / 0-)
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    bear83, tb mare, OpherGopher, cybersaur

    COMPROMISE.  No tax increases on the wealthy, no more money for defense.  Simple.  Just let the Bush tax cuts expire and sequestration occur.  Very simple.  Don't compromise and don't believe the BS related to defense cuts.

  •  So...the two idiots who voted for this process... (2+ / 0-)
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    aren't responsible for putting the national security at risk?

    Did they not understand what they were reading and voted for? Or did they just not care?

  •  Most likely outcome ... (0+ / 0-)
    Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin predicted that the automatic cuts will be scrapped before November
    bold mine

    Levin is already caving - typical Democratic response to a challenge.  Pathetic.  Whether he talks about compensating with tax increases or not, he's shown that they are willing to toss the earlier agreement and linking to tax increases is a non-starter as the Repubs will never go along.  Plus putting it in terms of defense vs. tax increases will not win over most who put security before taxing the rich.  These Dems are as useless as the Repubs are dangerous.

    The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

    by accumbens on Fri May 25, 2012 at 10:54:54 AM PDT

  •  Answer is: (1+ / 0-)
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    cybersaur

    Grover Norquist!

  •  Sum Total: Defense + Black Ops + Nukes is greater (1+ / 0-)
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    cybersaur

    Than the Sum Total of all other Countries of the World's Military Budgets. Think about that.  
    Add up the military budgets of every single country in the world and it would not equal our total War related Budget of the United States.  That is obscene.  

    Elizabeth Warren 2016!

    by windwardguy46 on Fri May 25, 2012 at 11:32:33 AM PDT

  •  Revenue (0+ / 0-)

    Somebody please tell me that Dems are not going to just settle for increasing taxes just enough to fund the military and let Republicans get away with gutting everything else.

  •  Why should MY TAX MONEY pay for others' paranoia (2+ / 0-)
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    shmuelman, cybersaur

    I am going to return the favor and ask the Repubs and other neocons why my tax money is being used to provide personal emotional comfort for the paranoid section of america by overspending on the military?

  •  What a gem!! (0+ / 0-)

    “If Republicans are willing to put revenue on the table—which is what a fair and balanced approach is—we’ll be able to get there,” said Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.)

    I cannot imagine that she used the phrase "fair and balanced" randomly.

    And I think it is brilliant! I think everytime a Dem makes a statement about a position, they should describe it as a "fair and balanced" view/direction/law/proposal/idea etc.

    A pessimist looks both ways before crossing a one-way street

    by beefydaddy18 on Fri May 25, 2012 at 12:06:48 PM PDT

  •  The republicans want all this to happen (0+ / 0-)

    while there is a democrat in the white house and senate so they can turn around and run tv ads about how the democrats cut everything and look at all the bad stuff they did... despite them being the ones insisting it be done.

  •  I am afeared of the Iranian Navy blockading the (0+ / 0-)

    Port Of New York. Pleeze Mr President and Harry Reid, don't gut the military!

    "You can die for Freedom, you just can't exercise it"

    by shmuelman on Fri May 25, 2012 at 01:00:52 PM PDT

  •  $5000 for a toilet seat, not 1 dime for kids! (0+ / 0-)

    Yeah, I know, its a really good seat. :)

    Great bumper sticker tho.  For once the voter's ignorance could work for us.

  •  Lindsey Graham Should Be Scared (0+ / 0-)

    Mittens will jump him, hold him down and hack off his hair.

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